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F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:17 pm

It seems appropriate to open a new thread after this very sad accident.

Marussia F1's test driver Maria de Villota was seriously injured during a test run in the MVR-01 at Duxford this week on Tuesday hitting a support truck.

This is the latest report on Maria de Villota's condition as of today.

From BBC News

Maria de Villota: Driver loses right eye after crash

"The operation began yesterday afternoon and she was in theatre until this morning.
"Maria remains in a critical but stable condition."

John Booth, team principal of the Marussia F1 Team, said: "Maria emerged from theatre at Addenbrooke's Hospital this morning after a lengthy operation to address the serious head and facial injuries she received in the accident at Duxford Airfield yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-18711127

Duxford of all places...
This is where they have the Imperial War Museum with the first British Concorde prototype Concorde 01.

http://www.iwm.org.uk/visits/iwm-duxford

Let's hope Maria de Villota will be able to recover from this terrible accident to the best of possibitlities.
Our thoughts are with her and her family.

    
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:43 am

This is horrible, may God be with this driver. I hope he get better, and get an eye transplant.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:11 am

I for one would like to know why a no talent 32 year old was behind the wheel of an F1 car, she really had no place being in the cockpit. From reading a few other articles it would appear that she stomped on the gas instead of the brake and sent the car into the back of the truck.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 1):
I hope he get better, and get an eye transplant

She might get better but I don't think modern medical science is able to transplant eyes.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:16 am

The investigation could be interesting, whether Maria lost control of the car, this was her first time in the proper F1 car, or whether the truck was placed in an extremely unsafe place. Probably a bit of both. It doesn't seem (from witness reports) that she was travelling very fast (50-60kph, quite slow for an F1 car). Having one eye will probably be the end of her driving career. Thankfully though, it could have been much worse when the helmet is breached, very easily could have lost her life. Hopefully she keeps full sight in her remaining eye.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 1):
I hope he get better

Ha, one of the reasons that this has been so big in the media is the fact that the driver is one of only two female drivers in F1. A quite attractive Spanish lady.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 2):

I for one would like to know why a no talent 32 year old was behind the wheel of an F1 car

She is the daughter of a former Formula 1 driver, I'd say that has something to do with it. Possibly F1 officials wanting to show more 'equality' by putting a woman behind the wheel, good for PR when she's as attractive as this woman is.

[Edited 2012-07-04 23:21:33]
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:39 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 2):
I for one would like to know why a no talent 32 year old was behind the wheel of an F1 car

= $

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 3):
this was her first time in the proper F1 car

She "tested" a 2009 Renault last year. Not sure if it was a straight line test like what she was doing when the accented happened or the dreaded right-left-straight one.



Quoting QFA380 (Reply 3):
Having one eye will probably be the end of her driving career.

Do you reckon?

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 3):
very easily could have lost her life

From the pics i saw i'd agree.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:22 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 3):
She is the daughter of a former Formula 1 driver, I'd say that has something to do with it. Possibly F1 officials wanting to show more 'equality' by putting a woman behind the wheel, good for PR when she's as attractive as this woman is.

If F1 really wants a women they should have tried to get Danica Patrick, she's easily as good as any paid for a seat driver currently in F1 and at the very least a top 10 finisher.

Quoting mad99 (Reply 4):
Do you reckon?

Her career as a driver is over, you need both eyes for proper depth perception. I very much doubt the FIA would grant her a super license, considering her career to date it's a surprise to me that she even had a super license (I believe you need one to poarticipate in F1 tests), she doesn't come even close to qualifying for one.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:11 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 5):
Do you reckon?

sarcasm




Quoting kiwirob (Reply 5):
it's a surprise to me that she even had a super license

yes it is.
I thought one had to do well in selected junior formula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Licence

Maybe she held a straight line only version??
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:21 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 2):
She might get better but I don't think modern medical science is able to transplant eyes.
Quoting QFA380 (Reply 3):
Ha, one of the reasons that this has been so big in the media is the fact that the driver is one of only two female drivers in F1. A quite attractive Spanish lady.



Well, let me take my foot out my mouth again, or more like my hand.    My father is a big F-1 fan, so may be I should have payed attention to the drivers, or read the article before posting.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:54 pm

She doesn't have a Super Licence - that's why she isn't a reserve driver.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:56 pm

I do not recall any thread from when Massa had his accident, or when Ove Andersson lost his life, or a thread about Paul Dana, Greg Moore etc. etc. etc.. Do I need to go on?

But now because it's a woman it has to be discussed!?

Sure I feel for the lady and her family, but she signed up to the risks just as all the men before her did.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:22 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 9):
I do not recall any thread from when Massa had his accident
F1 2009 : Hungarian Grand Prix (by Tsv Jul 17 2009 in Non Aviation)?threadid=2105372&searchid=2105372&s=f1+2009#ID2105372

Quoting sudden (Reply 9):
Ove Andersson lost his life, or a thread about Paul Dana, Greg Moore etc. etc. etc.. Do I need to go on?

Please don't- I have a feeling I know where this is going.

Quoting sudden (Reply 9):
But now because it's a woman it has to be discussed!?

Ah- there it is!

This is the most serious F1 accident since Massa's and you don't think it's worthy of discussion? Just because we didn't spend time discussing the death (at aged 70!) of an obscure Swedish rally driver from the 70s?

Strange logic, that.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 10):
F1 2009 : Hungarian Grand Prix (by Tsv Jul 17 2009 in Non Aviation)?threadid=2105372&searchid=2105372&s=f1+2009#ID2105372

That was the regular F1 thread for that race.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 10):
Just because we didn't spend time discussing the death (at aged 70!) of an obscure Swedish rally driver from the 70s?

Funny that you managed to single out that specific driver from the rest I put in my post.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 10):
Ah- there it is!

It's tough to have to face reality at times, but as said before already, her commercial value was more important then anything else, and she paid the price for it. Explain to me why I should support this. Yes, I do come over as I do not care, but I sure do. It's getting blown up because it's a woman, and she happen to be an F1 driver.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 11):
That was the regular F1 thread for that race.

Yes, because the two hundred and fifty-odd replies running on 2 weeks after the race weren't in any way related to Massa  
Quoting sudden (Reply 11):
Funny that you managed to single out that specific driver from the rest I put in my post.

Slash obscure Indy Car racer slash obscure CARTing driver. The point is the same- there were no threads about those people because they race in vastly less popular series. The only comparable you offered in your claim of reverse discrimination was Massa, who as I have shown was discussed at great length in these forums and far, far more so in the media.

Quoting sudden (Reply 11):
It's tough to have to face reality at times, but as said before already, her commercial value was more important then anything else,

Of course it is- only a moron would think otherwise from her results. However you gleefully leap from that to this:

Quoting sudden (Reply 11):
It's getting blown up because it's a woman,

Nope- if it were a man the reaction would be comparable - i.e. minor news for a day and then forgotten except by die-hard F1 fans having a legitimate discussion about safety in testing for inexperienced drivers.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:23 pm

I just learned about this as I was on F1's website to see the time of tomorrow's tests. I've been watching F1 for 7 years, including practice, and I had never heard of her. So if she was there for publicity, let's say it wasn't working.

I read somewhere that she may have been surprised by the anti-stall feature of the car.

Also, she's still in critical condition.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:33 am

Is there any reason to consider if a tire or suspension or other part failed contributing to this crash? Should that truck been parked in the place it was, perhaps too close to the track edge? Yes, we all want to blame the easiest variable - the driver - especially with her apparent limited experience with this level of car. Let's fact it too, gender is probably less of a factor then some will bash with, plenty of male test drivers have crashed and died doing F1 tests.

While her eye is of most immediate concern, one has to wonder how much, if any brain injury has occurred that may take a few days to a week to figure that out and if she will face long term or permanent damage.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:24 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 8):
She doesn't have a Super Licence - that's why she isn't a reserve driver.

ok , google found this
De Villota is a test driver and not the reserve driver as she lacks the necessary super-licence for the role.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:28 am

Quoting mad99 (Reply 15):
ok , google found this
De Villota is a test driver and not the reserve driver as she lacks the necessary super-licence for the role.

Indeed - there is a subtle difference. De Villota can't (and likely now, won't) be able to replace a driver if they are injured because she doesn't have a Super Licence. A test driver doesn't require one as they aren't technically racing so anybody can drive an F1 car (theoretically) as long as it's at a testing session.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:39 pm

Now that I think of it, I kind of heard of her since Marussia was one driver short last race, and that's because they didn't have a reserve.
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 17):
Now that I think of it, I kind of heard of her since Marussia was one driver short last race, and that's because they didn't have a reserve.

Indeed. One of the reasons why she could not take Timo Glock's seat while he was in hospital in Valencia was her missing license (among a few other aspects).
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:43 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Duxford of all places...

I think several F1 teams use Duxford for training/testing.

Some of you are being pretty hard on someone who just lost an eye and nearly died.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:45 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 19):
someone who just lost an eye and nearly died.

Latest Maria de Villota official update from Marussia

The surgeons successfully completed the next phase of surgery required to address Maria’s facial injuries. After the lengthy initial procedure, which commenced on Tuesday and concluded on Wednesday, today’s secondary operation took significantly less time.

Since the operation today, Maria’s condition in relation to the head trauma she received has further improved, to the extent that she is now “serious but stable”.

http://www.marussiaf1team.com/news/624/an-update-on-maria

Let's hope she will be able to recover to her best possibilities.

     
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:45 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 14):
Is there any reason to consider if a tire or suspension or other part failed contributing to this crash?

Right now the main focus seems to be on the engine anti-stall possibly kicking in, the investigation is however far from over.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 14):
Should that truck been parked in the place it was, perhaps too close to the track edge?

Duxford is an airfield so really no track to speak of, at least not in the sense of what we'd call a track which has tyre barriers, gravel traps and so on. There was a picture sent via Twitter showing her car & the truck. I'd say she returned the car to where the team had set up for the day. It just seems to be a case of wrong place & wrong time after that, everything else is 20/20 hindsight. I'm not posting a link to the picture here but a quick search i just did still shows its floating around the internet.


As far as i'm concerned her gender is not an issue. 1st, there have been enough male test drivers in the sport who secured a test whereby the commercial or financial gain to a team has played it's part in them landing those tests. Forget about experience or potential being the only deciding factors. To add to that, straight line aerodynamic tests have often been done by drivers with little experience in an F1 car.

2nd, if this is indeed the cause of a technical problem or a combination of a technical problem & human reaction it could have happened to anyone who got into that car before or after her.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:16 pm

A few years ago there was a questionable driver allowed to race, it was a real danger and he got stripped of his licence, since then they're more careful.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:02 pm

Marussias internal report claims there was no fault with the car.... didn't go on to say what might have caused it.

Seems that the team having parked a truck where the driver could drive under it, they have now also hired a bus and thrown the driver under it!!.

Spending a good part of my life ensuring occupants of motor vehicles are safe both in and out of the vehicle, I can see no reason why an F1 car was being operated in the vicinity of a lowered ramp on a transporter.

Time for Marussia to man up and admit they F^%*ed up!
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:55 pm

F1 cars are operated in the middle of streets for show, I wouldn't call that safe either and it's still done. There are lots of circuits where the obvious zones to lose control are safe, but if you have a tire blow or something in another place, it becomes dangerous.

Fact is she had no reason to be close to that truck, and probably lost control "far" from it, so it was just bad luck she ended up there, I mean if she lost control near a regular F1 stand she could have ended up in a concrete wall or in a gas tank, wouldn't have been pretty either, and you would probably have mechanics and engineers in the hospital with her.

PS : I'm not putting blame on her as we don't know why she lost control.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:41 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 24):
F1 cars are operated in the middle of streets for show, I wouldn't call that safe either and it's still done.

I wouldn't call it safe either, and I wouldn't let them do it in most cases if I was making the decisions.

de Villota was according to reports travelling at quite a slow speed before the incident, some reports say as low as 30mph.
That can be too fast in a confined space and is at a speed where modern F1 cars are most likely at their least controllable.
Brakes are not that effective, turning circle is large, throttal is sensitive.
Perhaps she just found herself in a confined space and could do little about it.

Still the teams fault!!
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:15 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 22):
A few years ago there was a questionable driver allowed to race, it was a real danger and he got stripped of his licence


Are you referring to Yuji Ide who lost his super license?
He should never have been allowed to come near an F1 car.
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RE: F1 2012: Driver Loses Right Eye After Test Crash

Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:30 pm

Yeah that's the one. It allowed Franck Montagny to drive a few GPs and become an official F1 expert in France for the next 20 years...
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