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Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:37 am

Well.

The Judge has spoken, and now ruled that Zimmerman's bail will be set at US$1 million.

So who will come up with the          ?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-us1m/story-e6freuz9-1226418441766
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:41 am

Question: what is the point of a $1M bail? Doesn't the Bill of Rights forbid "excessive bail"? If $1M isn't excessive, what is?
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:02 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
If $1M isn't excessive, what is?

Well, it might be excessive, but its also a massive pain in the ass to the accused and family.

For most people, trying to get your hands on that sort of money is laughable, assets will have to be sold or loans taken out against such.

Whatever. Its not a good look.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:05 pm

This is just completely wrong of this judge to impose such a Bail amount, especially for someone who likely acted in self defense.

This is unconstitutional, immoral and just plain wrong. I hope he is able to come up with the money.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:31 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 3):
This is just completely wrong of this judge to impose such a Bail amount, especially for someone who likely acted in self defense.

This is unconstitutional, immoral and just plain wrong. I hope he is able to come up with the money.

He already has the money. The judge was making a point after having been lied to by Zimmerman, his attorney , and his wife.

The charges against him may get dropped or not be provable. But I wouldn't want this wannabe slimeball in my neighborhood.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 3):
This is...immoral

It's also immoral to mislead the court about your finances. It doesn't matter if he's guilty of murder or not, lying to a judge is never a good idea.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
So who will come up with the $ $ $ ?
Quoting casinterest (Reply 4):
He already has the money.

Correct, I believe his legal defense fund has over $200K in it, he needs to pay the 10% to a bondsmen (if there is one willing to put up the $)
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:09 pm

Bond shouldn't be set on your finances, but by the threat and flight risk you pose the the community. He proved after being free the first time, he was neither of those.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Bond shouldn't be set on your finances, but by the threat and flight risk you pose the the community. He proved after being free the first time, he was neither of those.

Two things I can be sure that the judge took into consideration:

1) He now has the financial backing to be a flight-risk. All this money wasn't thrown at him until he was arrested.
2) It proves he has an issue with honesty, even it's just with regard to a bank account.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 3):

This is just completely wrong of this judge to impose such a Bail amount,

No, it is not at all wrong. The original bail was $150k, which Zimmerman easily paid because he was hiding that he had many hundreds of thousands of dollars in his paypal account. A bail bondsman needs 10% down plus collateral, so $15k was not much to fork over. Plus, with the judge finding that Zimmerman had not only mislead the court but was also a flight risk, $15k wasn't very much to keep Zimmerman from fleeing.

This is the rule: bail is set high enough to strongly encourage the accused to appear at trial. Once Zimmerman exposed how much money he had withheld from the court, it was expected that the new bail amount would be around $1 Million.

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 3):
especially for someone who likely acted in self defense.

That is irrelevant because the amount of bail is set without regard to the likelihood that someone will be exonerated.

Zimmerman has not lost this $1 Million. If he shows up at trial, he gets it back.

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 3):
This is unconstitutional

There is nothing unconstitutional about setting a $1M bail.

Do not lose sight of the fact that this is a murder case.

Quoting homer71 (Reply 6):
he needs to pay the 10% to a bondsmen (if there is one willing to put up the $)

That's right. The problem he now faces is that he might not have the collateral. If the bondsmen think he's not going to show at trial, they're not about to lose their $900k for nothing.

[Edited 2012-07-06 07:36:21]
 
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:48 pm

So now this guy is a political football, and the whole proceeding is pretty much an illegal farce. How nice.
 
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 10):

So now this guy is a political football, and the whole proceeding is pretty much an illegal farce.

How so?
 
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 9):
There is nothing unconstitutional about setting a $1M bail.

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

How is $1M not excessive?
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
How is $1M not excessive?

The point of bail is to make sure that someone shows up for trial. Thus, it makes sense to charge more for those who are accused of more serious crimes, in situations where the accused has lots of disposable income that they'd be willing to part with in exchange for fleeing trial, or when the judge believes that the accused may not be entirely honest.

Zimmerman fits all three, and thus I don't find that the bail is inappropriate.

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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:41 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
How is $1M not excessive?

Because it is common.

Stabbing by a 19 year old:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...man-first-degree-murder-bond-court

Attempted murder:
http://juneauempire.com/local/2012-0...-million-da-seeks-attempted-murder

Triple homicide - SIX million:
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/...l-set-suspect-brooklyn-park-triple

Killed a law enforcement officer:
http://www.pressherald.com/news/_1-m...-of-police-officer_2012-03-23.html

Felony murder:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...s/2017852084_laceyshootings28.html

Non-leathal chlid abuse -- FIVE Million:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/B...ccused-child-abuser-152117315.html

These two are for drunken driving:
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/..._million_bail_set_in_east_fel.html
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-bushs-bail-set-for-1-015-million/

This guy related to the Rod Blagojevich mess had bail set at TEN Million:
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120620/news/706209860/


And that's just scratching the surface.

Before saying that a bail amount is excessive, it would help to get the lay of the land and see what kinds of bail amounts are typically set. Looking at a bail bondsman might be of use, so here's a link to Aladdin: http://www.aladdinbailbonds.com/faq/



EDIT: Another reason we know it is not excessive? He just posted bond and was released.

[Edited 2012-07-06 12:29:22]
 
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 14):
Felony murder:

If Zimmerman is being accused of murder, that's ridiculous. It's because the victim happened to be younger in age than his physical stature / actions would normally indicate. Otherwise this case has already (not) been tried countless times. About 15 years ago I knew a neighbor who killed a raging crazy person in his backyard. Nearby children were arguably under threat. There was no citation, no jail. It's not illegal to defend.

This case is about politics. And being prosecuted as a political crime. IMO
 
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:19 pm

Flighty, why did you highlight felony murder? I gave a LOT of examples, some of them were not even homicides. Why? because a $1M bail is not at all unheard of.

(By the way, the phrase "felony murder" means that a person died while the criminal was in the process of committing a felony. Like, robbing a bank, and accidently killing someone when you're trying to get away, even if you did not intend to kill.)

Quoting Flighty (Reply 15):
This case is about politics.

I vigorously disagree. You are wrong, but we've beat that horse to death already. But as it turns to the topic of this thread, politics has zero to do with bail hearings.
 
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 3):
This is unconstitutional, immoral and just plain wrong. I hope he is able to come up with the money.

Don't lie.

That's the lesson to be learned here !

Quoting Flighty (Reply 10):
So now this guy is a political football, and the whole proceeding is pretty much an illegal farce. How nice.

He, (Zimmermen) caused this himself, no one else. If he hadn't lied originally, together with his wife, 1 million wouldn't be talked about.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:56 am

Zimmerman not only had to put up $1 Million in bail, but also has to wear a bracelet/monitor to reduce his flight risk to the bail bondsman and the state. There is no doubt he has a lot of friends and supporters as to 2nd Amendment and other gun rights as well as the 'stand your ground' law that can put up the money he needed to meet the bond. I don't find under the circumstances the bail at $ 1 Million as unreasonable as was able to raise it. If it was too difficult, he could have appealed to a higher state court for relief.

Zimmerman has already been found guilty by some in our society, especially by persons of color. We don't know exactly what happened and one of the 'witnesses' is dead. He is to be considered by our laws innocent until the trial ends or he make a plea deal. Thus he has a right to be on bail, even a considerable one such as he has.
 
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:35 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 15):
If Zimmerman is being accused of murder,

If? Sorry, but if you don't even know what he's being charged with, I fail to see how you can know anything else about this case.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 15):
Otherwise this case has already (not) been tried countless times.

That's the beauty: each case should be investigated/tried individually, based on facts, not assumptions.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 15):
About 15 years ago I knew a neighbor who killed a raging crazy person in his backyard. Nearby children were arguably under threat.

That's nice. The only similarities between that case and this one is that one person killed another person. No children present, no crazy people: a fight started and one person didn't survive.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 15):
It's not illegal to defend.

That's not how it works: you can't just claim "defense" and be let off.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 15):
This case is about politics. And being prosecuted as a political crime. IMO

It's very much a political prosecution (they had to find a high-profile DA who loves to ruin people's lives from halfway across the state to push this), but that doesn't mean Zimmerman is necessarily innocent.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:35 am

He should have been held without bail.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:36 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 20):
He should have been held without bail.

Unless he's shown to be a flight risk, that's not an option.
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RE: Zimmerman's Bail Set At $US1m

Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:39 pm

Well, now the case just got weird.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...-sexual-molestation-160900334.html


Cousin accusing him of molestation. I don't know what to think anymore. What the hell is in the water in Florida?

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