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Opel To Unveil "Adam" City Car At Paris Auto Show

Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:29 am

Opel has confirmed that its new Adam city car will offer three doors, seating for four, and will measure 145.7 inches long. That makes the Adam the same size as a Mini Cooper hatchback, and only 6 inches longer than the current Fiat 500. Those cars – and upcoming Volkswagen’s Up! – are undoubtedly the targets for the Adam; Opel claims the model will be highly customizable, just like the Fiat 500 and the Mini Cooper. BMW has publicly stated that it has plans to expand the Mini line-up to as many as ten models and is looking to open another European assembly plant, so Opel is playing a desperate game of catch-up at the moment with Mini/BMW.

The Adam was fully designed and engineered in Germany and is built utilizing the next-generation Corsa platform, but will be more a "premium" vehicle than the Corsa. It also will be sold in the U.K. as the Vauxhall Adam. Most auto press reports have indicated the Adam will use of small three- and four-cylinder engines, with the largest four cylinder motor displacing no more than 1.6 liters. There is very little hope that the Adam will be sold in the USA - the newly released (and uber-funky looking) 2013 Chevy Spark now fills the small urban car niche here for General Motors - and there will likely be an all-electric version of the Spark sold here in America shortly.

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Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:20 am

I'm sure, Adam Opel is rotating in his grave for decades.

It's a shame what GM has done with Opel.
Since the 80th Opel no longer has anything to do with, what is called "German engineering". They simply build boring cars without any inovation for old people, because billions of profit (which was needed for inovation) has gone to GM and it is only a matter of time, when this brand will disappear. In Germany they lose more and more of their market share.

Who, beside of a few old age pensioners and some chavs wants to buy an Opel?  

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Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:01 am

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
Who, beside of a few old age pensioners and some chavs wants to buy an Opel?

You'd be surprised at their success on (some) foreign markets. In Croatia for example, you can't go a hundred yards without seeing at least a dozen new Astras and Insignias. Corsas and Antaras are a bit rarer, but still you can't turn a corner without tripping over an Opel - most of which are driven by people in their 20s and 30s  .

Along with VW, Opel has traditionally been one of the consistently best-selling manufacturers on the Balkans - undoubtedly due to their "Made in Germany" legacy and (mostly) agreeable price.
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:44 am

Hi!

I did a google search and there are some spy pics of it revealed online. It looks to me very weird like most of the cars built today.

For me the best thing GM made in Europe was the Chevrolet Lacetti Sedan. I just love the way it looks both inside and out. Classy like a poor man's BMW or a Toyota from the 80s. Being GM they did a good thing and then stopped doing it and started making worse stuff. I wish I had one:

http://www.kaliteliresimler.com/data/media/1733/lacetti4d-2008-sedan-2.jpg

http://wikimac.ru/img/LacettiSedan/1.jpg

Sorry for going a bit off topic. I didn't want to post the Opel pics because people might be waiting to see proper pics.

Many thanks.

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Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:43 pm

If we're not talking about the US then the Up! is not an upcoming car, it's on the streets. But it has nothing to do with a Mini or a 500. The Up! is a cheap "utilitarian" city car with very small engines competing with the Renault Twingo, Citroën C1/Peugeot 107/Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda... They are all clearly destined to young drivers without money.

The Mini and the 500 are not cheap, have bigger engines, a better design, more equipment, can be customized. They're upmarket small cars.

VW doesn't have that kind of small upmarket car, Audi does with the A1. From the pictures it looks like the Adam will try to compete in that segment. In that market there is also the Citroën DS3, selling very well here, I don't know about the rest of Europe :

http://hfr-rehost.net/http://www.sportscarzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Citroen-DS3-5.jpg
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
BMW has publicly stated that it has plans to expand the Mini line-up to as many as ten models and is looking to open another European assembly plant,

According to Autoweek (NL) BMW has selected the Nedcar plant in Born, the Netherlands. At the moment the plant manufactures the Mitsubishi Colt, but the new model will be made elsewhere.

In the past this plant also made Smart ForFours and various models for Volvo, Mitsubishi and DAF (back when DAF made passenger cars).

Here's a Dutch link:
http://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/19...igt-we-willen-minis-in-born-bouwen
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
and upcoming Volkswagen’s Up!

The Up! has been on sale for a couple of months, I've already seen a few on the roads here in Norway.
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:02 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
It also will be sold in the U.K. as the Vauxhall Adam

I'm surprised that all reports I've read so far suggest they're keeping the 'Adam' name - although it means something to Opel I suspect it will won't resound with the Vauxhall-buying public. I'm also not sure that it's a wise idea for Vauxhall/Opel to try the upmarket game, whatever size sector it's intending to compete in. Consider that, despite its success, the Citroën DS3 is still viewed as something of an upstart amongst its 'premium brand' competitors; Citroën at least has a history of quirky and exciting cars to its name, and in my mind would have less of a challenge moving its brand upmarket than Vauxhall, whose brand is very much an icon of the mass market here.

It's a pity, because GM Europe makes some fine cars, the Insignia and Astra in particular. Granted, they may not have the image or perceived quality of the premium brands, but arguably they're very competitive products that well deserve a second look and a test drive.
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:05 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
It's a shame what GM has done with Opel.

Considering that GM has owned 100% of Opel for 81 years, I'm not really sure I'd agree with that. Nearly every Opel, good or bad, in living memory has been a GM product. I don't think there are many, if any, people around today who purchased a new Opel prior to GM's purchase of the company.
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:21 pm

Yeah, about the Adam name, I don't know if it works in German, but in French it's a little bit strange, you wonder if they want to evoke the bible or something, and then Eve would make more sense, a car (une voiture) is feminine in French and most cars with a name have feminine names.
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
Yeah, about the Adam name, I don't know if it works in German, but in French it's a little bit strange, you wonder if they want to evoke the bible or something, and then Eve would make more sense, a car (une voiture) is feminine in French and most cars with a name have feminine names.

The founder´s name of the Opel company was Adam Opel.

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Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:27 pm

And who knows that outside (and even inside) Germany ?
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
a car (une voiture) is feminine in French and most cars with a name have feminine names.

Which is a problem for the Adam, because I see it as primarily a "chick" car due to it's styling.

As for the Opel Astra, the current Verano is basically a Astra sedan;. Buick is said to be importing the Astra 3-door hatchback to the USA in the next year, which will apparently include the basic Astra 3-door and high-performance Astra GTC (to be a GS sport model here - to copy the Regal GS naming protocol) to compete against the pricey ($25 to $29K USD) new Ford Focus ST sport compact. The automotive rumor mill has it that the Astra convertible may also be sold here, as Buick's marketing department is keenly looking to add another sporty premium small car to the US model line-up, to complement to Verano and the upcoming 2013 1/2 Encore mini-ute (which looks exactly like a Buick-fied Pontiac Vibe to me, but is based on the (suprise!) Opel Mokka..... which I can't see being a sales success here in America, but the Encore will probably be a solid sales success in China, its primary marketplace.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3):
For me the best thing GM made in Europe was the Chevrolet Lacetti Sedan. I just love the way it looks both inside and out. Classy like a poor man's BMW or a Toyota from the 80s. Being GM they did a good thing and then stopped doing it and started making worse stuff. I wish I had one:

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Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.

And build quality was in the domain of GM/Daewoo. Scary!   
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:35 am

Opel Adam model line


Official GM/Opel photo for the new Adam model line.
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:47 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 11):
And who knows that outside (and even inside) Germany ?

Me, the company is officially called Adam Opel AG.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 15):

Official GM/Opel photo for the new Adam model line.

Surprisingly attractive, especially the red and black one.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 16):
Surprisingly attractive, especially the red and black one.

Definitely. Much nicer than the Fiat 500, Smart, or Scion (Toyota for foreigners) iQ.
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:04 am

I like the 500, it's a great looking car, it's far more attractive than the mechanically identical Ford Ka, I'd probably see 10 500's for every Ka.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:15 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 18):

I like the 500, it's a great looking car, it's far more attractive than the mechanically identical Ford Ka, I'd probably see 10 500's for every Ka.

I think the proportions are wonky. It looks like it's rolling on wheels from a golf cart.

The Adam is shaped basically the same way, but it actually looks like a car. The trick to styling a subcompact car is making in not look like a subcompact car.
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:34 am

I think the shape is too conservative, looks like a small Renault Clio 3.
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
I think the shape is too conservative, looks like a small Renault Clio 3.

I agree, and for some reason it doesn't say "premium" in the same way as a Citroën DS3 or a MINI does. On the flip side, it doesn't seem as cheerful as some of the other sub-compacts such as the Twingo or 500 despite the smiling face. Obviously there's TONS more to a car than simply the way it looks but if you are targeting the emotional buyers (who will see their cars more as an accessory rather than a transportation tool) then what I have seen so far doesn't impress me. I guess I need to see one in the flesh before I pass final judgment.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 18):
I like the 500, it's a great looking car, it's far more attractive than the mechanically identical Ford Ka, I'd probably see 10 500's for every Ka.

I like it too. They have a dealership here in Seattle. I went for a couple hundred mile road trip this past weekend and saw a dozen of them on the roads.

Given that a number of the cars mentioned above aren't sold in the US, the Fiat 500 is a nice, small city dwellers car.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:42 am

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
It's a shame what GM has done with Opel.
Since the 80th Opel no longer has anything to do with, what is called "German engineering". They simply build boring cars without any inovation for old people, because billions of profit (which was needed for inovation) has gone to GM and it is only a matter of time, when this brand will disappear. In Germany they lose more and more of their market share.

I guess that's the reason why Opel got a new CEO today - the 3rd CEO in just as many years.

An American with a heavy fist. (That's what the press tells up here). A man who can slash costs and make sure that the former westward profit flow can be reestablished so Government Motors can soon buy back its good old name, General Motors.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:38 am

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 23):
I guess that's the reason why Opel got a new CEO today - the 3rd CEO in just as many years.

Another reasons for the downfall is the fact that GM don't allow Opel to sell cars outside Europe and that, beside of the former profit, GM also have transfered every single patent away from Opel.

In 1 to 2 years, Opel will be vanished.

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Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:38 am

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 24):
GM don't allow Opel to sell cars outside Europe and that

Instead GM lets Buick do so with Opel's designs. Then brag how awesome Buick is, and how profitable they are. Conveniently forgetting it ain't hard to make money when the only development costs you have is the development of a bit of plastic to slap on the front, the back and the steering wheel.
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:01 am

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 25):
Instead GM lets Buick do so with Opel's designs.

For two BIG reasons: first, Buick has been a highly popular "status" brand in China for decades - the Chinese Communist party leaders from the 1950s forward have always had a strong preference for big Buicks. Thus, the Chinese public (especially middle aged and older) have a love affair with the Buick nameplate.

Secondly, Buick now sells more units in China than in the USA. Buick's US model line-up reflects the needs of the Chinese market FIRST, thus the smaller models in the American line, the Encore and the Verano. If Buick imports the Astra hatchback, it will be yet another model from the Opel/Chinese model line-up.
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:04 am

It reminds me a bit of the A1. Must be the roof from the A- to the C-pillar in a contrasting color.
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:11 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 24):

Another reasons for the downfall is the fact that GM don't allow Opel to sell cars outside Europe and that, beside of the former profit, GM also have transfered every single patent away from Opel.

The Opel brand is launching in Australia before years end.
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:39 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
In Germany they lose more and more of their market share.

Against all odds, Opel actually still is building decent cars (Corsa, Astra, Insignia). Their declinsing market share is because of all the uncertainty around the brand. Rüsselsheim is relatively to close to here, so this used to be Opel territory here - and even here so many people now are reluctant to buy one - "Will they even be around in 3 years?" - "All they ever talk about is costcutting, that has to be bad for the quality" - etc etc.

GM has managed to completely trash Opel's reputation.

Which brings us to:

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 23):
I guess that's the reason why Opel got a new CEO today - the 3rd CEO in just as many years.

An American with a heavy fist. (That's what the press tells up here). A man who can slash costs and make sure that the former westward profit flow can be reestablished so Government Motors can soon buy back its good old name, General Motors.

You literally couldn't make this shit up. It's as if GM wants to destroy them. They finally managed to go for a few months without bad news, they made the news for once for launching a new car instead of pending doom and in waltzes the next tough guy Detroit manager who doesn't speak a word of German, will be gone a year from now but surely will leave scorched earth behind him.

Opel is doomed.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
In that market there is also the Citroën DS3, selling very well here, I don't know about the rest of Europe

Seems to do reasonably well in Germany, from my purely unscientific "how often I notice them"-point of view. But that might be skewed because the DS3 is a nice-looking car that's easy to notice.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 6):
The Up! has been on sale for a couple of months, I've already seen a few on the roads here in Norway.

In Germany they seem to be selling very well.

Quoting cargolex (Reply 8):
Considering that GM has owned 100% of Opel for 81 years, I'm not really sure I'd agree with that. Nearly every Opel, good or bad, in living memory has been a GM product.

For the longest time (up until the late 80s), GM just owned Opel. They let them run their own company, decide their own strategy - and Opel did reasonably well. Then in the late 80s GM became unhappy, the hardcore cost-cutting started, innovation ceased, extreme pressure on suppliers - and Opel started building bland unreliable cars. Financially, it looked great short-term, because they could ride along on their image for some time, but eventually their reputation went down the drain and they haven't recovered from that to this day.

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Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:10 pm

I would LOVE to see GM offer the Opel Adam here in the USA to direct compete against the Fiat 500, possibly as a Buick model. Put in a 1.4-liter EcoFLEX engine rated at around 100 bhp with six-speed automatic and it will find a surprisingly large number of buyers (especially now that the Fiat 500 has finally gotten "traction" in the US market). I might even offer the 1.4-liter turbocharged engine from the Chevrolet Cruze/Sonic for a more "sporting" model.
 
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 24):
In 1 to 2 years, Opel will be vanished.
Quoting racko (Reply 29):
Opel is doomed.

I'm not so sure about it. Transferring the patent rights from Opel to GM for nothing and then having Opel pay GM for their use seems to be simply a way of transferring profit to the US, where AFAIK the tax loopholes are bigger. On top of that, keeping Opel in the red is a very good bargaining chip for GM. It makes it much easier to bully the workforce into lower wages and con the German government out of more money.

It is of course unethical and shows that GM doesn't really care if Opel lives or dies, but it also shows that GM has a use for Opel.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:20 am

Didn't they transfer those patents back to Opel a few years ago?
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:42 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 15):
GM/Opel photo for the new Adam model line.

Looks nice indeed !
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
Who, beside of a few old age pensioners and some chavs wants to buy an Opel?

OK, I'm old (sorta) and we bought an Opel designed Commodore when we lived in PER.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
They are all clearly destined to young drivers without money.

That is probably a larger market segment than the old drivers without money segment.  
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
The founder´s name of the Opel company was Adam Opel.

Last car I remember being named after someone was the Edsel.  Wow!

Overall I think the car will do well. It's a small city car and there are plenty of places where it will be in demand. Even some US cities where parking is a real challenge.

In the MidWest I believe it will have a hard slog. Both the Smart Car and the 500 are selling here in TUL, but not in big numbers. Maybe they would have a better shot in states like OK or TX if they added a pickup to the line.   

Best feature on the Adam for me was the ceiling lights, making it look like stars.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 34):
Last car I remember being named after someone was the Edsel.

Enzo Ferrari.

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