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Should BMW, Build A X4

Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:35 pm

Should BMW introduce us, to a slope back version of the X3, which would be called a X4? The X6 is a slope back version of the X5, so why not have a slope back version of the X3.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:37 pm

Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.

Look at this way BMI, it's a 4x4 Sports Car!!!

I know I'm in the minority here, but for some strange reason, I really like the X6. I got a ride in one when I was in Kuwait, (where there are a lot of them) and I really enjoyed it. It rode well, had plenty of power, although we did not exceed about 90 MPH. Took corners fairly well for a vehicle of that size and height. I didn't get a chance to drive one though.

Install some good sport suspension to drop it down and some low profile tires and you just might have a "Street Sleeper"!

I wouldn't mind owning one.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
Look at this way BMI, it's a 4x4 Sports Car!!!

Porsche's been doing that since the 1980s.

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
I know I'm in the minority here, but for some strange reason, I really like the X6. I got a ride in one when I was in Kuwait, (where there are a lot of them) and I really enjoyed it. It rode well, had plenty of power, although we did not exceed about 90 MPH. Took corners fairly well for a vehicle of that size and height. I didn't get a chance to drive one though.

But how is it any better than what's already offered? The X6 offers all the downsides of the X5 with none of the advantages that make it better than a 5 Series wagon, or even a Gran Turismo. If you like the X6, you'd probably like the X5 just as much and get more practicality. Or, if you like the X6, you'd probably like a 5 Series wagon even more with better economy and basically the same space.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:55 am

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
I know I'm in the minority here, but for some strange reason, I really like the X6

So do I.
I think it looks class but I'd never buy one. Maybe i would if i lived somewhere that snowed ... and didn't have kids...
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:07 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.

   Along with the 5 Series GT.

While both inherently decent vehicles, (they are BMW) I still don't get them. Last thing they need is another misfit car that no one understands.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:10 am

The X6 is a fantastic looking car, if I had a spare 150k I would buy one in an instant. However I don't think that a sloped X3 would look very good. The X6 works because it is so long and so so wide. A shorter thinner version would look stumpy, a good deal like the X1 which is the ugliest car BMW makes.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):
150k

Where in the hell do you live that an X6 is worth 150k!? In the US it's about $61,000 base price, plus options and whatnot... can't get anywhere close to 150k. Car prices are very inflated in some parts of the world, (Europe, for example) but that just seems excessive.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:09 pm

I think BMW should not make any more pretend 4x4s that don't go anywhere when the wet grass approaches.

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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
Where in the hell do you live that an X6 is worth 150k!?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess: New Zealand.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
Where in the hell do you live that an X6 is worth 150k!?

Bargain!

The X6 is starting at 200.000USD in Denmark without any extras.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
Took corners fairly well for a vehicle of that size and height.

There you are. "fairly well", "for that size and weight".

Why not make it lower and lighter anyway? It's huge on the outside, cramped on the inside, grossly overweight, can't do offroad and butt-ugly on top of that.

The execution might be ok (it's a BMW after all) but the concept is massively flawed.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting JJJ (Reply 11):
Why not make it lower and lighter anyway? It's huge on the outside, cramped on the inside, grossly overweight, can't do offroad and butt-ugly on top of that.

Because the X6 is what people want. I can't stand that thing either, but it's selling.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:29 am

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
Where in the hell do you live that an X6 is worth 150k!?

I just quickly priced it. On the top model you pay nearly $30 000 in tax. Not to mention we pay ridiculous prices from manufacturers, this is for everything from iPhone apps to cars to computers, despite the fact we have a stable well valued currency.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:48 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
you'd probably like the X5 just as much

I DO like the X5 as well. I don't know what else to say except, I JUST LIKE IT!!! So you don't, I respect that, we're all different people with different likes and dislikes.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 11):
There you are. "fairly well", "for that size and weight".

Why not make it lower and lighter anyway? It's huge on the outside, cramped on the inside, grossly overweight, can't do offroad and butt-ugly on top of that.

The execution might be ok (it's a BMW after all) but the concept is massively flawed.

See above JJJ.

Quoting racko (Reply 12):
Because the X6 is what people want. I can't stand that thing either, but it's selling.

Go to Kuwait, they're everywhere!

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 13):
I just quickly priced it. On the top model you pay nearly $30 000 in tax. Not to mention we pay ridiculous prices from manufacturers, this is for everything from iPhone apps to cars to computers, despite the fact we have a stable well valued currency.

I knew taxes were high in Australia, but OUCH!!! If I can ever emigrate there (I'm working it!) I guess I'll just buy a small Ute!
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.

You know BMW only expected to sell 20,000 X6's, they have now sold close to 160,000 of them, it's been a massive and unexpected success. The X4 is expected in 2013.

Quoting racko (Reply 9):

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess: New Zealand.

120,000 USD will get you into a base xdrive40 diesel in NZ.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:55 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 10):

The X6 is starting at 200.000USD in Denmark without any extras.

   I've always known cars more expensive in Europe; but this is excessive. Makes me glad to live in the States; while we have a worse selection of vehicles (No 5 Series wagon, for example) they are much cheaper.


Quoting QFA380 (Reply 13):
I just quickly priced it. On the top model you pay nearly $30 000 in tax. Not to mention we pay ridiculous prices from manufacturers, this is for everything from iPhone apps to cars to computers, despite the fact we have a stable well valued currency.

30k in tax is very high. At these prices, if I ever go live somewhere else I'm taking a car with me.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:37 am

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 16):
I've always known cars more expensive in Europe; but this is excessive. Makes me glad to live in the States; while we have a worse selection of vehicles (No 5 Series wagon, for example) they are much cheaper.

Denmark is an extreme example though. In Germany, the X6 base model costs 61.000€.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:49 am

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 16):
I've always known cars more expensive in Europe; but this is excessive. Makes me glad to live in the States; while we have a worse selection of vehicles (No 5 Series wagon, for example) they are much cheaper.

Yes, consider yourself lucky  hate the car taxes here..
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:38 am

Is your penis very tiny? Do you live in a land of sand? Did you make a fortune producing tat and ship it across the Pacific? Is your daddy an oligarch and your girlfriend more plastic than tissue?

If you can say yes to at least 2 of those questions (and the first one is mandatory), the X6 is for you. If not, you've been an idiot and should be given the Clarkson treatment (taken out the back and shot in front of your family).

Does it show that I'm not a big fan of the X6? Love BMW to bits, am on my 3rd now and wouldn't drive anything else. Well, not anything else I can afford that is. Except a Porsche, I might buy myself one of those - but just as a week-end toy.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:02 pm

I worked in Paris for 6 months and often saw one parked on the street, amongst city cars. Really out of place (and butt ugly). People that have some sense to go with their money at least buy an underground parking for their expensive cars, here, otherwise you might find your SUV covered in mud with a message saying that it now feels more in its element.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 16):
30k in tax is very high. At these prices, if I ever go live somewhere else I'm taking a car with me.

In Denmark/Norway, you'll pay the taxes on your used car too.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 19):
Is your penis very tiny? Do you live in a land of sand? Did you make a fortune producing tat and ship it across the Pacific? Is your daddy an oligarch and your girlfriend more plastic than tissue?

Are you the mistress of an Angolan army General? is the only one I'm missing.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:17 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 17):
Denmark is an extreme example though. In Germany, the X6 base model costs 61.000€.

That's the home advantage... It's more expensive in other nations.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:19 pm

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 14):
I DO like the X5 as well. I don't know what else to say except, I JUST LIKE IT!!! So you don't, I respect that, we're all different people with different likes and dislikes

Here's the thing I have with the X6. I like cool cars. Being cool is reason enough for a car to exist. Being cool is reason enough to buy and own a car. I love cars that are completely batshit crazy and excessive in pretty much every respect, but I also respect real performance in a practical package. And you can't beat excessive, batshit crazy performance in a practical package.

If you go down the "practicality be damned I wanna go fast" route, there's the M5 and M6, which are faster than the X6M but not exactly impractical. Or if you want something fast for the family, there's the X5 (had to compare the 5.0 versions) that offers more space for less money but the same fuel economy as the X6, although the 550i is little better.

I just don't see how the X6 is that attractive as either the crazy car with no purpose other than going fast or the practical performance machine. For the former there's the M5 and M6 and for the latter the X5M. I don't get the appeal. (By the way, can anyone see out the back of an X6?)

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 22):
That's the home advantage... It's more expensive in other nations.

Not in America. I don't know what the base model in Germany is, but here you can get a 35i for just under $60,000.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:09 am

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 16):
they are much cheaper.

I had a quick look..

USA
TOTAL MSRP AS BUILT $60,695 X6 xDrive35i

From the DMV www page
Grand Total Registration Fees: $5,199.00
Grand total 65,894

bwm.es 71,900


So it looks like about 9% more in Spain and that's about the diff on tax rates.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:44 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
Not in America. I don't know what the base model in Germany is, but here you can get a 35i for just under $60,000.

It's made in the US anyway.

Quoting mad99 (Reply 24):
So it looks like about 9% more in Spain and that's about the diff on tax rates.

Add another 20-something % for the dollar-euro exchange rate.

Btw: the base model in Europe is a 3.0 diesel.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:49 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.

I would go further and say that sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X series exists.

They're ugly, useless cars, made for suburban desperate housewives who don't know how to park properly. Horrible, horrible cars.

Don't get me wrong I love BMWs, I really do. Every other BMW series is, IMO at least at "excellent" level. But the X series is a mistake that should never have been made no matter how many of them they sell. They're fatter, higher, heavier 3-5-7 series cars that use twice as much fuel.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:09 am

Quoting JJJ (Reply 25):
Add another 20-something % for the dollar-euro exchange rate.

Why? If you live in the usa most likely your paid in usd and spend usd.
I work in Spain so i earn and spend euros

Quoting JJJ (Reply 25):
Btw: the base model in Europe is a 3.0 diesel.

I quoted like for like, the petrol 35i

Someone in my neighbourhood has a X6 and its painted flat black!
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:51 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
Not in America. I don't know what the base model in Germany is, but here you can get a 35i for just under $60,000.

I'm well aware of that; I mentioned that before in the thread... I was referring to Europe. Cars in the US are much cheaper, in general, than in Europe. Naturally, this has somewhat to do with the Euro/Dollar exchange rate. Every time I walk into a dealer in Europe, I'm amazed by the pricing compared to what I see back home in the States.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:46 pm

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 26):
I would go further and say that sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X series exists.

They're ugly, useless cars, made for suburban desperate housewives who don't know how to park properly. Horrible, horrible cars.

Don't get me wrong I love BMWs, I really do. Every other BMW series is, IMO at least at "excellent" level. But the X series is a mistake that should never have been made no matter how many of them they sell. They're fatter, higher, heavier 3-5-7 series cars that use twice as much fuel.

I totally agree, form should follow function but in these cars its totally the wrong way round.

A 4x4 should have mud on.

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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):

In Denmark/Norway, you'll pay the taxes on your used car too.

I don't know about Denmark but in Norway you don't, all you pay is the registration change over.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting mad99 (Reply 24):
I had a quick look..

USA
TOTAL MSRP AS BUILT $60,695 X6 xDrive35i

From the DMV www page
Grand Total Registration Fees: $5,199.00
Grand total 65,894

bwm.es 71,900


So it looks like about 9% more in Spain and that's about the diff on tax rates.

State and local taxes are 9.25% in my area.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:57 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.

And why some people like the looks of it. It is the most hideous car I can think of
  

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 30):

I don't know about Denmark but in Norway you don't, all you pay is the registration change over.

It's the same in Denamrk, but I wonder if he means when you import a used car, then you have to pay a registration fee that is determined from case to case. Likewise if you export a car it is valued and the registration fee returned to you -15%

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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:55 am

Quoting mad99 (Reply 27):
Why? If you live in the usa most likely your paid in usd and spend usd.
I work in Spain so i earn and spend euros

You have to compare like by like, would you put a quote in yen side to side to one in euro?

Cars in the US are cheaper, that's a fact (inflated, though, as MSRP in the US does not include taxes and euro prices generally do).
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting mad99 (Reply 27):
Why? If you live in the usa most likely your paid in usd and spend usd.
I work in Spain so i earn and spend euros

But the average salary in the US is far more dollars than the average Spanish salary is euros.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 30):
I don't know about Denmark but in Norway you don't, all you pay is the registration change over.
Quoting Larshjort (Reply 32):
It's the same in Denmark, but I wonder if he means when you import a used car, then you have to pay a registration fee that is determined from case to case. Likewise if you export a car it is valued and the registration fee returned to you -15%

Yes that's what I meant, since I have a cousin living in Norway and asked him why he didn't import a car. He's been there for ten years with a good salary and only managed to get a car recently. A local used car will be far more expensive than the same one in France, since the original owner will have paid the hefty tax.
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:36 pm

Ok I confess to having 2 X6's. One in England (40d) and one at my home in Miami (x50i), both bought November last year.
I really like it - and once I'd got used to the crap view out the back, the turning circle of a 747, and all the camera views, I've really got into it. It drives so well, much faster than my old Cayenne.
The rear roofline is a bit of a problem for tall rear passengers but I hardly have anyone in the back of mine. I got 2+2 for both cars. If I did it again I'd get rear bench seats. More useful.
I chose it partly because in both my neighborhoods you see 50 X5's just going 3 blocks. I can go days not seeing another X6 and Iike having something a bit different.

Having driven an X3 I'm not sure the sloping rear roof would work in an X4, as the X3 feels a lot smaller than an X5 and an X6 isn't that big in the back. Very short adults or kids would be all it would be good for.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:51 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 34):
Yes that's what I meant, since I have a cousin living in Norway and asked him why he didn't import a car.

Lots of people import used cars into Norway, some idiots even import new cars as well, I say idiots because a new car in Norway has a 5 year warranty whereas most imports (manly from Germany and Sweden) have 2 years, that extra 3 years is worth the price premium.
 
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RE: Should BMW, Build A X4

Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:16 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 36):
I say idiots because a new car in Norway has a 5 year warranty whereas most imports (manly from Germany and Sweden) have 2 years, that extra 3 years is worth the price premium.

More and more manufacturers are moving to the 5-year warranty to draw sales. Kia is doing 7 years warranty from quite some time now, Hyundai has been offering 5 for several years. Fiat has been the last to jump with a 5-year, IIRC, last year.

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