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F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:26 am

Final race before a four week mid season break. McLaren (especially Hamilton) seem to have thrown down the gauntlet to everyone else - they were super quick all throughout the weekend and in qualifying. Given that the Hungaroring has been a circuit where overtaking is difficult, and Hamilton's pace, I think Hamilton will win this race unless he makes a mistake.

As a Williams fan, I'm glad to see both Williams make the top 10  

Qualifying results:
Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m20.953s
2. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m21.366s + 0.413
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m21.416s + 0.463
4. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m21.583s + 0.630
5. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m21.730s + 0.777
6. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m21.844s + 0.891
7. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m21.900s + 0.947
8. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m21.939s + 0.986
9. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m22.343s + 1.390
10. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m22.847s + 1.894
Q2 cut-off time: 1m21.697s Gap *
11. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m21.715s + 0.655
12. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m21.813s + 0.753
13. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m21.895s + 0.835
14. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m21.895s + 0.835
15. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m22.300s + 1.240
16. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m22.380s + 1.320
17. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m22.723s + 1.663
Q1 cut-off time: 1m22.948s Gap *
18. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m23.250s + 1.456
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m23.576s + 1.782
20. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m24.167s + 2.373
21. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m25.244s + 3.450
22. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m25.476s + 3.682
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m25.916s + 4.122
24. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m26.178s + 4.384
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:58 am

The race is Hamiltons to loose. His car is so much faster than everyone else. So baring any significant events its going to be

1. Hamilton
2.
3.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:04 am

Alonso and Webber didn't pull very good positions, with any luck Vettel will suffer again.   

Two McLarens and a Lotus on the podium would be a nice finish I think, hopefully Webber can climb a little higher, maybe finish in 6th or better with any issues he seemed to have last week resolved.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:53 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
1. Hamilton
2.
3.

Let me help you out there....
1.Hamilton
2. De la Rosa
3. Glock
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:19 am

Sudden, do you know a betting shop I could lay few hundred dollars on that podium?

Cheers

PS. Am on train on way home, need 10 minutes!! Can someone call Bernie and organize a 10-15 min delay!!  Wink

[Edited 2012-07-29 04:51:38]
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:05 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 4):
PS. Am on train on way home, need 10 minutes!! Can someone call Bernie and organize a 10-15 min delay!!

We got an extra formation lap because of a stalled Schumi. Do maybe somebody wanted to help 

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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:09 pm

I guess lots of people will be arriving by FR this year to BUD for the grand-prix, LOL...

I can already see it: "Ryanair - The main sponsor of the Hungarian Grand Prix!" fitted on their planes and overhead bins  
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:32 pm

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 5):
We got an extra formation lap because of a stalled Schumi.

Never been a huge Schumi fan, now he only half helps me  

Raced in the door and lit the TV up by lap 2, saw most of opening lap action in replays so all good!!
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:58 pm

22 cars finished..WTF

I am not a big fan of races of attrition but the current reliability rate points to the serious stifling of innovation in F1 these days.

A 'tactical" retirement for Schumi and an unforced error from Karthikeyan, that is not F1, there is supposed to be development and risk taking...

Reliability runs should be saved for historic race and rally events!!

PS. seems Kobayashi and Kovalainen stopped in the closing stages as well but my point stands


A side story. I heard a leading F1 scribe say a few days before the AGP in March that Vergne was going to eat Ricciardo alive as Vergne was "hungry"... Vergne might have to lift his game as so far it is Qual 10/1 Race 6/5 in Ricciardo's favour!!

[Edited 2012-07-29 07:28:50]
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 6):
I can already see it: "Ryanair - The main sponsor of the Hungarian Grand Prix!" fitted on their planes and overhead bins

2012 Ryanair ¨The low-fares airline¨ Magyar Nagydíj (Hungarian Grand Prix?)

Winner´s trophy presented by Michel O´Leary CEO of Ryanair.¨The low-fares airline¨

-Hands over trophy-
¨That´ll be €59.95 Lewis.¨

Champagne is €500 a bottle.

And Bernie actually have to pay O´leary gratuities for the race.

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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:56 pm

Lewis won, greatly helped by that boring circuit where passing is almost impossible, and Lotus terrible strategy. They clearly had the better car, again without winning. But that's champions for you, winning against the odds. Alonso made the best out of the race too, despite a very slow Ferrari. Kimi, always fun with his poker face on the podium !
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:06 pm

Wow, what a boring race. But the positives from my perspective is that Alonso struggled, Vettel finished ahead of both Alonso and Webber to close in on both. Senna did well for Williams to finish in the points - very important in its battle with Force India. Unfortunately Maldonado being his usual self can't finish a race without driving into someone.

Brilliant charge by Vettel towards the end. I was willing Vettel to get past Grosjean but knew deep down it was never going to happen on this track.

Well, at least we've got Spa to look forward to.   

Quoting stealthz (Reply 8):
22 cars finished..WTF

I think it's great that engine manufacturers have made huge strides in reliability since the FIA decided to limit the number of engines each car can use over a season. There's less chance of drivers in situations where they would've won but for their engine blowing up, and if it happened time and time again, it gets frustrating.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 8):
unforced error from Karthikeyan

How he could've driven into the wall while running last, with a clear track ahead of him and behind him, is beyond me.
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 11):
I think it's great that engine manufacturers have made huge strides in reliability since the FIA decided to limit the number of engines each car can use over a season.

But that was never the point of F1, pushing the envelope, to use an aeronautical term, was (and should be) the thing, now it is a regularity run!!
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:45 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 12):
But that was never the point of F1, pushing the envelope, to use an aeronautical term, was (and should be) the thing, now it is a regularity run!!

Point taken.

In some ways I agree, I wish the FIA would just do away with limits on the engines and gearboxes that cars can run throughout the season, so the focus is more on "pushing the envelope" rather than on reliability. But I would still prefer to see cars that are able to finish grands prix rather than have their engine blow up while leading by half a minute.
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:47 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 11):
Wow, what a boring race. But the positives from my perspective is that Alonso struggled, Vettel finished ahead of both Alonso and Webber to close in on both.

Yes, a boring race. Ferrari maintained to limit damages with a car that wasnt competitive today. Alonso could finish ahead of Webber, and Vettel couldnt gain much so basically the situation is as it was before the race, with the exception that Hamilton has bettered his (still small) chance on the Championship. I am disappointed with Mercedes, expecially Schuhmacher, and again with Massa. I hope that the Scuderia is announcing soon who´ll replace that Brazilian loser whoo is a disgrace for the most important team. Positive surprise today: Lotus - with both drivers.

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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 9):
2012 Ryanair ¨The low-fares airline¨ Magyar Nagydíj (Hungarian Grand Prix?)

Winner´s trophy presented by Michel O´Leary CEO of Ryanair.¨The low-fares airline¨

  
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:29 am

Quoting na (Reply 14):
hope that the Scuderia is announcing soon who´ll replace that Brazilian loser whoo is a disgrace for the most important team

Ferrari is talking to Raikkonen as a possible replacement for 2013 so wonder what that might lead to. His comeback has sure not been slow, and his agressive move on Grosjean in to turn 1 shows that he still has it. Yes, I do like Raikkonen.
I could see Ferrari go for a driver that has been with the team before and knows their work ethics.
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:54 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
Ferrari is talking to Raikkonen as a possible replacement for 2013

I just read the report on Autosport, but I would just dismiss that as nothing more than a rumour. Raikkonen and Ferrari didn't exactly separate on the best of terms, being unceremoniously dumped in favour of Alonso. I also don't think Raikkonen will want to be Alonso's lap dog - he's far too good a driver to ruin his career as a number two driver.

Ferrari should be looking for someone who has yet to establish himself. Perez will probably fit in reasonably well.

Having two world champions in the same team is a rarity, and off the top of my head, only McLaren in 1989 with Prost and Senna, and again with Hamilton and Button, have had two past world champions in the same team at the same time.
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:01 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
Raikkonen and Ferrari didn't exactly separate on the best of terms, being unceremoniously dumped in favour of Alonso

True, but Alonso apparently has a saying when it comes to who will be his team mate next year. And he and Kimi are getting along well. But yeah, Alonso is established in the team, and Kimi would never settle for no. 2. However, would Alonso want a team mate that can beat him on equal terms? Doubt it as we know how it went over at Mclaren.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
Ferrari should be looking for someone who has yet to establish himself

That said, Ferrari want to bring the constructors title back on to their shelf, and one way of doing this would might be to have 2 established drivers who are not hot headed. Both are calm drivers who is fast when needed. But well, I guess we need to wait and see.

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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:14 pm

French commentators discussed this during the GP and one said that Di Montezemolo was very harsh with Kimi during his last season, adding he would only come back if Montezemolo wasn't there anymore.

But I agree that Alonso would never want him anyway.
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 19):
adding he would only come back if Montezemolo wasn't there anymore.

Di Montezemolo seem to be £"$%&^*& if you ask me. so false as one can be. I mean, as soon as he sees that a camera is on him he smiles and give team members a path in the back.
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:37 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 20):
Di Montezemolo seem to be £"$%&^*& if you ask me.

Ah, I have so much respect for someone with such a racing pedigree, his claim to fame in racing was in a FIAT 500!!
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:48 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 20):
Di Montezemolo seem to be £"$%&^*& if you ask me. so false as one can be. I mean, as soon as he sees that a camera is on him he smiles and give team members a path in the back.

I do not think so, havent notice anything like it. He is one of he most distinguished Italian managers since he led the Scuderia to the WC in 1975. If he would be so negative as you suggest he would have fired Massa two years ago.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
Ferrari should be looking for someone who has yet to establish himself.

I agree unless you´re talking about a rookie. It should be someone with at least two years experience who has shown a lot of talent already. Difficult as ther is no apparent big star in the waiting. Most are too unreliable, like Maldonado. Rosberg, Grosjean, Hülkenberg could perhaps be candidates.
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
Ferrari is talking to Raikkonen as a possible replacement for 2013 so wonder what that might lead to
Quoting na (Reply 22):
Its apparent that Raikönnen makes no sense for the Reds.

Well, as long as there are no personal problems that would not help the team, I would really like to see Kimi back. Yeah, he's one boring fellow, but he can race, and it would be great for Ferrari to have two proper drivers per race. Massa ... well, he was never great, but after his terrible accident, he's really, really bad, and Ferrari must replace him with someone competitive.

About the race, not much to say. really boring, especially until the first set of pit stops. Nothing much going on. It did get better for the last part of the race, when it seemed that kimi would attack Lewis, but that never happened.
The Ferrari was really slow yesterday, but the damage was kept to a minimum, so it wasn't that bad.
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:53 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 21):
Ah, I have so much respect for someone with such a racing pedigree, his claim to fame in racing was in a FIAT 500!!
Quoting na (Reply 22):
He is one of he most distinguished Italian managers since he led the Scuderia to the WC in 1975.

Just the way I have seen him act on TV when he sees that he is on TV. He sure knows what he is doing as otherwise he would not have the position that he has within the company.
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:42 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 24):
He sure knows what he is doing as otherwise he would not have the position that he has within the company.

He's trying to get into politics so making sure you know how to kiss ass on the camera is very important.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:35 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 25):
so making sure you know how to kiss ass on the camera is very important.

His fake smiles and even how the team around him reacts is pretty obvious, but what do I know, really
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RE: F1 2012: Hungarian Grand Prix

Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:32 pm

Quoting Charlie Whiting:
Schumi must learn the rules

Seems Schumi has attracted the wrath of officialdom.. like that hasn't happened before!!!

http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/1822...hiting-Schumi-must-learn-the-rules

Charlie feels that MS should have known better,

Quote:
FIA race director Charlie Whiting has criticised Michael Schumacher for his error on the grid in Hungary.

The Mercedes driver stalled his engine after lining up on the wrong spot on the grid. Normal procedures call for another formation lap to take place in such an event, a rule that came into place in 2005.

However, Schumacher appears not to have realised this and turned off his engine and as a result had to be pushed to the pits by the marshals.

Whiting believes that the German really should have known better.

"Michael should know the rules," Whiting is quoted as telling Bild am Sonntag.

I think Charlie along with almost everyone involved in F1 is quite aware that MS knows and understands the rules.. it is just that he has shown on many occasions his deep conviction that they do not apply to him!
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