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Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:58 am

I refuse to get an iAnything. I am not one of those people. I would like an Android and I have had Samsung phones for the past few years and they seem really easy to use. I don't like the virtual keyboard that seems to be all the rage now, but I guess that is something I am going to have to live with. The one app I would want is QR Code reader. I have had AT&T for about 12 years and am very happy with their service. Probably the only one.

Keeping all that in mind, what would be a good phone for me?
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:16 am

Quoting seb146 (Thread starter):
I would like an Android and I have had Samsung phones for the past few years and they seem really easy to use.

Do you have budget limitation? If you don't, Samsung Galaxy S III is a no-brainer choice  .
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:16 am

Did you get insurance for the phone you lost? That helps get another one (a refurbished phone) at little to no cost to you.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:34 am

If only you had an iPhone, you could simply Find it!

You said Android with Samsung but I tried out a HTC Titan with Windows on it last week while talking about getting my iPhone fixed and loved it, much better than the Lumia sitting next to it and easier to use than Androids. LTE enabled for superfast browsing with a solid camera, not as big as the flagship Samsungs which for many people is a bonus, it doesn't have all the fancy features the Galaxy SIII has either but for many they're largely superfluous, much like Siri... Windows phone also has fantastic integration with Facebook and Twitter if you use those.

You don't seem like a massive tech head so Windows phone would probably be good for you, its middle ground between dumbed down iOS and hardcore Androids. A wide selection of apps probably isn't really a major priority, you just want a phone that does the simple stuff really well.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
Did you get insurance for the phone you lost? That helps get another one (a refurbished phone) at little to no cost to you.

No. I had a Samsung touch screen but the touch screen went out. They offered me an Evergreen that had massive software issues and used insurance from that to get a different Samsung that has been working and they cancelled insurance, because I used insurance too much in too little time.

Quoting afterburner (Reply 1):
Do you have budget limitation? If you don't, Samsung Galaxy S III is a no-brainer choice

Yeah. I do have budget limitations. I don't really like the feel/size of the Galaxy S anyway.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 3):
You said Android with Samsung but I tried out a HTC Titan with Windows

I have used Android before and it seems very simple. I am one of those people who uses something once and anything else is complicated. Which explains why I am using Windows 7 on my PC...
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:52 am

Look at the apps you used on the old phone and go from there. If you have little financial investments in apps then look at what is available. If you have money, or want to maintain those apps then go with what ATT has in stock. Samsung is the leading maker (ahead of the iPhone) and they should have at least one model you like.

If, however, you don't want hi tech you can check out the older iPhones that are cheap.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:02 am

Quoting afterburner (Reply 1):
If you don't, Samsung Galaxy S III is a no-brainer choice

I'd agree. I love my Nexus S.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
No. I had a Samsung touch screen but the touch screen went out.

My Nexus S had the screen crap out a couple of months after I got it. The local Sprint store replaced it under warranty in about 15 minutes.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Look at the apps you used on the old phone and go from there.

If you're going from one Android phone to another, when you sign into your Google account on the new phone it automatically imports contacts and downloads all the apps that were on the previous phone.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:52 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 3):
If only you had an iPhone, you could simply Find it!

Samsung does the same

http://www.samsungdive.com/DiveMain.do

Of course, you have to register it first.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:44 am

Quoting seb146 (Thread starter):
I refuse to get an iAnything. I am not one of those people.

You're suffering from a misunderstanding there. People usually end up with an iOS device simply because they find that it works well for them. There actually aren't any membership cards to a "those people" club.

If an iPhone works best for you, get that one. If an Android, Windows or another kind of phone works best for you, get that.

You'll live with the device for quite a while and either initially or through your contract you'll be paying quite a bit of money for a good one, so making a decision on prejudices and ideology will only hurt yourself.

If you plan to use the device for a longer time, you should also consider each model's long-term manufacturer support.

Be self-interested in your decision. Simply get what works for you.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:12 am

Having had a Samsung Galaxy for about 2 years I have to say the hardware is excellent. It has done everything I could reasonably expect it to and I have never owned a phone as long as I've had my Galaxy. The Android software and all the apps that go along with it do update quite often which can end up leaving your brand new technologically advanced phone lagging in the dust after a few months. One other major issue with Android is all the quirky issues that pop up from time to time. The Galaxy is by no means an arcane unsupported platform but I have had multiple problems including wifi working one day and just not working for days after for no reason (all my friends with iPhones had no problems), and an alarm that would begin to ring for no reason for hours, that could not be stopped. I had to take the battery out. This is just my experience, but after my contract renews I am definitely going to go with Apple's latest offering - it seems to just work.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:06 pm

Quoting seb146 (Thread starter):
I refuse to get an iAnything.
Quoting seb146 (Thread starter):
I don't like the virtual keyboard
Quoting seb146 (Thread starter):
The one app I would want is QR Code reader.

Sounds like a BlackBerry would work well for you. I despise virtual keyboards as well and that's one reason I'll never consider using an iPhone or Galaxy.

Also, if you happen to lose your phone again, you can use BlackBerry Protect to track it down.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting seb146 (Thread starter):


I refuse to get an iAnything. I am not one of those people. I would like an Android and I have had Samsung phones for the past few years and they seem really easy to use. I don't like the virtual keyboard that seems to be all the rage now, but I guess that is something I am going to have to live with. The one app I would want is QR Code reader. I have had AT&T for about 12 years and am very happy with their service.

I've heard nothing but great things about the Galaxy SIII and the HTC One X. Based on what you're saying about budget, the One X seems to be your best bet. Unfortunately, physical QWERTY keyboards are on the outs. I'm a Sprint user so I tend to follow their development pipeline closer, but offhand I only know of one knew QWERTY smartphone coming down the pike, the Motorola Photon Q. I'm not sure if there's going to be an AT&T version of that and your needs seem pretty immediate, so yeah, One X. Linked are a few relevant reviews:

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pho...le-phones/htc-one-x-1069319/review
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/...tml?tag=contentMain;contentBody;2r

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 3):
If only you had an iPhone, you could simply Find it!

Luckily for us in the Android realm, an app like Lookout will help us locate a lost phone.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):

You're suffering from a misunderstanding there. People usually end up with an iOS device simply because they find that it works well for them. There actually aren't any membership cards to a "those people" club.

If an iPhone works best for you, get that one. If an Android, Windows or another kind of phone works best for you, get that.

You'll live with the device for quite a while and either initially or through your contract you'll be paying quite a bit of money for a good one, so making a decision on prejudices and ideology will only hurt yourself.

If you plan to use the device for a longer time, you should also consider each model's long-term manufacturer support.

Be self-interested in your decision. Simply get what works for you.

Now Klaus, were the shoe on the other foot and some Android user came into a iOS thread and posted something like this, you'd be up in arms that the OP specifically asked about iOS, not Android, and not to make this an iOS vs. Android thing. Pot, meet kettle. OP specifically asked for Android, not iOS.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
You're suffering from a misunderstanding there. People usually end up with an iOS device simply because they find that it works well for them. There actually aren't any membership cards to a "those people" club

Maybe it is a West Coast thing. I have noticed around here people with iEquipment seem to have an air about them. I don't like that.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
Sounds like a BlackBerry would work well for you.

Never thought about that. I will give that a look.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
Maybe it is a West Coast thing. I have noticed around here people with iEquipment seem to have an air about them. I don't like that.

Seriously you should try, at least.

I was once like you are now, but once I got my hands on an iPhone 4 and tried it out I was convinced. This hasn't changed my behavior, I just have a phone that suits me, that's all.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:13 pm

Unless you're dead set on Android, go with the Nokia Lumia 900 or HTC Titan 2. Aside from both being just really well made phones on the hardware side, if your one must-have app is a QR reader, Windows Phone has that built in natively and it works better than any other QR reader I've tried on any other phone. Samsung also offers a couple models on AT&T, the Focus 2, Focus S (which is almost identical to the GS2), and the Focus Flash but I greatly prefer Nokia and HTCs offerings.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:15 pm

Samsung Galaxy III or HTC One X
Similar specs, just pick the one you like better for general feel.
Both have Android 4.x (aka Ice Cream Sandwich), great displays, LTE/4G (In North America anyways), 8mp camera, etc etc etc...

I got the One X myself, love it, only picked it over the Galaxy because it felt better in my hand.

If you go with either, get a screen protector though, those big touch screens aren't worth risking a scratch!
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):

I think you should at least have a look at the iPhone. You may not like it at all, but you may also find it suits your needs better than any other phone. Before dismissing, at least give it a try.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:25 pm



Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 11):
Now Klaus, were the shoe on the other foot and some Android user came into a iOS thread and posted something like this, you'd be up in arms that the OP specifically asked about iOS, not Android, and not to make this an iOS vs. Android thing. Pot, meet kettle. OP specifically asked for Android, not iOS.

Nonsense. I have absolutely always proposed that one should ignore prejudices against people and above all to go for what oneself needs or prefers.

Stereotypical ideas about the users of certain products are pointless in every direction.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
Maybe it is a West Coast thing. I have noticed around here people with iEquipment seem to have an air about them. I don't like that.

You'll only hurt yourself if you don't look for what you like but what you think others like or don't like.

If you like a product, use it. It's your money and your phone for quite a while, so get one that you really like to use. Ignore other people. This is about you. Get the best product for yourself.

It can well be that you end up with something else than an iPhone. If that's actually best for you, then by all means do it. Just don't let others decide for you, in neither direction.

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 14):
Unless you're dead set on Android, go with the Nokia Lumia 900 or HTC Titan 2.

You should keep in mind, however, that it will remain stuck at Windows Phone 7 and will never get an upgrade to Windows Phone 8. That has already been announced.

[Edited 2012-08-02 08:27:59]
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:31 pm

I've stuck with the Nexus line of Android phones. They are "blessed by Google", so to speak, and get OS upgrades a lot longer than skinned versions of Android you'll find on other Android phones. While the hardware isn't as great as the newest phones on the market, most of the functionality in Android is provided by OS updates, and you'll be getting new OS updates for a long time on the Google blessed phone.

You can buy a Galaxy Nexus for $350 off of Google Play, and you're not tied to a contract with AT&T then. They aren't subsidizing the phone. I do this on tmobile and get a cheaper monthly rate for doing so - AT&T might have a similar offering.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):

Never thought about that. I will give that a look.

The problem there is that RIM, Blackberry's manufacturer, is foundering, their apps are severely limited, and you may wind up like Palm users (like myself) a few years ago - high and dry with a phone with no support.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):

Nonsense. I have absolutely always proposed that one should ignore prejudices against people and above all to go for what oneself needs or prefers.

And in this case, seb146 indicated he prefers Android. But you couldn't leave it at that because it's inconceivable to you that someone may prefer something else to an Apple product.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 19):
The problem there is that RIM, Blackberry's manufacturer, is foundering, their apps are severely limited

Agreed that App World in it's current form is incredible limited, but you'll see that change with the release of BB10. The new platform is much more convenient for developers than OS7.

Not suggesting seb wait til January to get a BB10 tho if he needs one ASAP.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 19):
high and dry with a phone with no support

Untrue in RIM's case. The BlackBerry network (and it's support) is essentially "too big to fail".

If you see the company go under at some point, that's the first piece of the company that will get bought up and kept online. I'll bank that no matter what happens to RIM, that network won't be offline for a second.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, physical QWERTY keyboards are on the outs.

The market for a physical QWERTY keyboard will never disappear (not for many, many year anyway).

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 11):
but offhand I only know of one knew QWERTY smartphone coming down the pike, the Motorola Photon Q.

Depends how far your outlook of "down the pike" is, but a QWERTY BB10 device is being released in Q1 as well.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:01 pm



Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 19):
And in this case, seb146 indicated he prefers Android.

Incorrect. His reason given for not wanting an iPhone had nothing to do with the merits of the product (which would have been perfectly valid, if it was an actual personal preference), but with not liking other people using these products.

And I have consistently and in all directions maintained that it is a very bad idea to saddle oneself with a product for the sole reason that someone else does or doesn't use the same kind of product.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 19):
But you couldn't leave it at that because it's inconceivable to you that someone may prefer something else to an Apple product.

He wasn't talking about the actual product, he was talking about other people using the product. And that is the worst possible motivation for making a relevant decision about buying or not buying a product – in either direction, and with any product.

You will find that I have always counseled against getting an iPhone just because some other people had one. Your view of my position on this is much narrower than my actual, real position is.

[Edited 2012-08-02 12:05:37]
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
You should keep in mind, however, that it will remain stuck at Windows Phone 7 and will never get an upgrade to Windows Phone 8. That has already been announced.

and yet the 7.8 update is more than what half the android phones sold today will ever get so the point is irrelevant
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 22):
and yet the 7.8 update is more than what half the android phones sold today will ever get so the point is irrelevant

Both points are very relevant, as is the fact that iPhones at this point get upgrades for 3+ years through multiple major iOS versions, plus another year of bugfix support.

This might be irrelevant only if the devices were to be used only through a few months, or if there were no security threats emerging every now and then which needed bugfixed firmwares for protection.

This doesn't make the decision automatic, but it is an important aspect in my view, because quality smartphones cost serious money (even when we're paying much of it through our contracts), we generally use them through more than just a few months and many of us store or otherwise handle relevant personal data on them.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 11):
I've heard nothing but great things about the Galaxy SIII and the HTC One X. Based on what you're saying about budget, the One X seems to be your best bet. Unfortunately, physical QWERTY keyboards are on the outs.

Well, here's another vote for the Galaxy SIII. I've had mine for around 3-4 weeks and couldn't be happier with the phone. I like the larger screen for web browsing and watching video, it's light and fits in your pocket well. The camera quality is amazing and I love the operating system as well. I found the qwerty keyboards seemed to add weight to the phone that I didn't want. With the larger screen on the SGS3 using the touch screen to type is very easy.

But, it may not be for you since you mentioned that you're not into the larger phone. There are some other good suggestions here.
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 19):
And in this case, seb146 indicated he prefers Android. But you couldn't leave it at that because it's inconceivable to you that someone may prefer something else to an Apple product.

Klaus has been pretty good on giving impartial advice when it comes to technology.

As for the Samsung/Apple difference, the current lawsuits Apple has against Samsung will help prospective customers understand that the Samsung's are following Apple's design. You shouldn't loose very much if you select the Samsung.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 20):
Agreed that App World in it's current form is incredible limited, but you'll see that change with the release of BB10

RIM is the last company I would invest in these days. The strong platforms (Apple & Android) are too far ahead in the market these days and MS is ready to hit the market again. RIM also appears to have too many internal problems (at the Executive level in particular) to make it an attractive investment.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 20):
The BlackBerry network (and it's support) is essentially "too big to fail".

Like Saturn or Pontiac?

The question should be is it attractive for developers when it comes to investing development resources?
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
Sounds like a BlackBerry would work well for you. I despise virtual keyboards as well and that's one reason I'll never consider using an iPhone or Galaxy.

Also, if you happen to lose your phone again, you can use BlackBerry Protect to track it down.

I like that feature and I actually used it one day a few months ago when I thought I had left it somewhere. Went to the website and discovered it was somewhere around the house which was a bit of a relief. Then I remembered that I had forgotten to take it out of the car when I got home.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
Never thought about that. I will give that a look.

The only downside is that devices that use the current BlackBerry OS 7 cannot be upgraded to BB10 when it comes out (just as previous generation devices could not be upgraded to BB7). From what is being reported, the first BB10 devices will not have the physical keyboard and those devices will come out a few months after the first BB10 devices. RIM will introduce both products at the same time, but the touchscreen phones will hit the market first.

I've got a Curve 9360 (Which is a GSM/HSPA+ 3G device. There is a CDMA version, the 9350 and a GSM/CDMA version, the 9370.). It's a mid-range version of the Curve and is a pretty decent phone and miles better than my old Curve 8530.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 19):
The problem there is that RIM, Blackberry's manufacturer, is foundering, their apps are severely limited, and you may wind up like Palm users (like myself) a few years ago - high and dry with a phone with no support.

If RIM were to go under, someone would be likely to acquire the RIM servers that run BlackBerry Internet Service, BlackBerry Messenger and BlackBerry Enterprise Server as those systems that are too important to see go under. Myself, I think that someone like Samsung would be likely to acquire such assets if not the entire company (There have been reoccurring rumors of Samsung and RIM getting involved with one another.). Of course RIM could simply decide to exit the device end of the business and have the devices built by other companies and have them run the BlackBerry OS (There has been talk of RIM possibly licensing BB10 to other manufacturers.) and RIM focuses on their software and services.

I'm not too disappointed with the amount of apps that are out there for the BlackBerry other than what's out there for the PlayBook tablet, but that seems to be getting better and better. There are plenty of guys developing apps strictly for BlackBerry and in some cases (Especially with PlayBook apps, they're slightly modifying their Android versions since the BlackBerry Tablet OS includes an Android Player and BB10 is supposed to include one as well since it is derived from the same OS.)

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 20):
Agreed that App World in it's current form is incredible limited, but you'll see that change with the release of BB10. The new platform is much more convenient for developers than OS7.

Not suggesting seb wait til January to get a BB10 tho if he needs one ASAP.

As I mentioned earlier, the word is that the first BB10 devices will not feature a physical keyboard. I too prefer the physical keyboard, although I don't mind the virtual one on my PlayBook. I will definitely be looking into getting a BB10 next year once the ones with a physical keyboard comes out.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:44 pm

I got the LG Nitro. They tried to get me into the newest HTC but it has no microSD slot. The LG comes with a 16GB microSD card. It is Android 4G. The closest LTE market is San Francisco, but I am not worried about that. Thanks for the help!
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:53 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 25):
RIM is the last company I would invest in these days.

Why not?! The stock is the cheapest it's been in years. We know that their assets are worth a fortune, so if there was a buyout or a break-up, anybody with RIM stock would likely be very, very happy.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 25):
RIM also appears to have too many internal problems (at the Executive level in particular)

Sorry, but that's not totally true. Vic Alboini of Jaguar Financial has been quite vocal in the media about his displeasure with some of the board members. This self-appointed "activist shareholder" steps in front of a camera to make misleading statements at every opportunity (you should have seen him at the AGM a few weeks ago). Despite only having a tiny share in RIM (his company's market cap is only $3M), the media seems to believe and spread everything that comes out of his mouth.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 26):
From what is being reported, the first BB10 devices will not have the physical keyboard and those devices will come out a few months after the first BB10 devices. RIM will introduce both products at the same time, but the touchscreen phones will hit the market first.

   Although they'll be launched a little closer together than "a few months". They're both expected to launch Q1 from what I hear.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 26):
I think that someone like Samsung would be likely to acquire such assets if not the entire company

Agreed. Of all the alternatives (assuming the pessimistic outlook that RIM doesn't have success with BB10), this one seems the most plausible. BlackBerry software and servers supporting a Samsung device sounds pretty attractive to me as a consumer. I would just like to see the QWERTY model carried over in some way for those who don't like virtual keyboards.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 26):
although I don't mind the virtual one on my PlayBook

Same here. But the keyboard is fairly generous in size, so I don't mind using it.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 27):
I got the LG Nitro

How do you like it so far? I thought you didn't want a virtual keyboard!  
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 28):
How do you like it so far? I thought you didn't want a virtual keyboard!

All they had were the &$*!ing virtual keyboards! So far, it is great. Easy to navigate and easy to find things on the Android Market. The virtual keyboard is easier than I thought. Did I mention it came with a 16GB microSD card? LOL
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:10 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 27):
I got the LG Nitro.

Then I hope that it does prove to be good value for your needs. Have fun!

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 28):
Why not?! The stock is the cheapest it's been in years. We know that their assets are worth a fortune, so if there was a buyout or a break-up, anybody with RIM stock would likely be very, very happy.

I would be very reluctant to follow such a line of thought. I hope you're not investing money based on this idea.

The share price of troubled companies generally already reflects the residual value of any assets – it is effectively the bottom to which such stocks will fall.

Patents age, and they expire eventually, as do other assets. That RIM's are worth "a fortune" is undisputed. But it may be a much smaller fortune than you'd be paying for right now.

So please be careful.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:27 pm

You should get an iPhone. Best thing that ever happened to humanity. I don't understand that small group of people using android based phones. They are delusional. iPhone can do more stuff that any android is doing + more. So how iPhones or iAnything is bad?
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:26 pm

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 31):
iPhone can do more stuff that any android is doing + more.

You apparently haven't used the latest Androids...
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 31):
You should get an iPhone. Best thing that ever happened to humanity. I don't understand that small group of people using android based phones. They are delusional. iPhone can do more stuff that any android is doing + more. So how iPhones or iAnything is bad?

50% of the US market (~52 million devices) is "small group" is it?
http://www.comscoredatamine.com/2012...ity-share-of-us-smartphone-market/

Nothing is bad about iPhones, but they are not the earthquake iPeople seem to think they are. They have lost their meteoric social symbol status for some time now.

Better question, why buy an iPhone 4S 16GB for $650 (AT&T no contract) instead of a Samsung Galaxy SIII for $550 or HTC One X for $450 (also AT&T no contract) for the same memory, better camera, bigger screen, etc etc?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 27):

I got the LG Nitro.

Good device, just get a case and screen protector for it as a drop can damage the screen easy.

True about the SD card on the newer devices as well.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 32):
You apparently haven't used the latest Androids...

And the latest Iphone hits in October...... It's an arms race,

Howeer the opening statement by the OP states that due to his own very peculiar personal biases, he won't even consider one, so he is left to choose from the rest.
That being said, the latest and greatest are usuallyt the best, but if the OP is prone to losing them , I would suggest one with the find me service activated, and possibly older/cheap since replacement may be a concern,
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:41 pm



Quoting dcaviation (Reply 31):
You should get an iPhone. Best thing that ever happened to humanity. I don't understand that small group of people using android based phones. They are delusional. iPhone can do more stuff that any android is doing + more. So how iPhones or iAnything is bad?

Come on, you're just trolling here.

Summary judgment about people just based on them using one or the other is completely misplaced. There are valid reasons for and against either one. The same applies to the other platforms.

The point is to choose a product on that actual product's merits relative to one's own needs and preferences.

And it's a done deal anyway:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 27):
I got the LG Nitro.

 

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 33):
Nothing is bad about iPhones, but they are not the earthquake iPeople seem to think they are. They have lost their meteoric social symbol status for some time now.

I've never understood the point in thinking about products that way. Either the product works well for you or it doesn't. Trying to link "Social status" to products is pointless and doesn't work most of the time anyway.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 33):
Better question, why buy an iPhone 4S 16GB for $650 (AT&T no contract) instead of a Samsung Galaxy SIII for $550 or HTC One X for $450 (also AT&T no contract) for the same memory, better camera, bigger screen, etc etc?

I know a few reasons:

• I'd wait the few weeks for the 2012 iPhone model instead of getting the 2011 model you're comparing here. Still, even last year's 4S compares quite well:

• Unified, hardware-encrypted and thus highly protected storage with no need to fiddle with two separate partitions manually and no way for a thief to extract your personal data from a memory card.

• That Samsung is using slightly improved versions of the camera sensors built into the 4S is natural. The difference is situation-dependent and relatively small, however, and much of it can be overcome by using other camera apps either way.

• The screen of the 4S is smaller, but so is the entire device, which is a big plus in my pocket.

• The iPhone is designed for single-handed operation and that does indeed work very well in practice. The Galaxy generally requires you to operate it with both hands, which I'd find highly impractical in a lot of situations.

• The Galaxy has a distorting "pen tile" pixel arrangement which particularly affects displayed text. The 4S has proper RGB pixels. When holding the 4S somewhat closer, the physical size difference becomes irrelevant, since the 4S also has much higher pixel density.

• The 4S has a much more power-efficient LCD display relative to the power-hungry OLED in the Galaxy. This is particularly apparent when browsing the web or otherwise reading text, which is a main point of a smartphone.

• An iPhone will be kept up to date by Apple through at least the full length of your contract plus a significant period of time beyond that. At this time, devices get 3-4 years of iOS upgrades plus another year of security fixes, all with immediate and universal availability on the day of first release. The Galaxy will be orphaned and unsupported long before your provider contract expires, leaving you unprotected with all the vulnerabilities which will have popped up by then (in addition to the substantial amount of malware targeting Android devices through infected apps). So the iPhone is fully usable through 3-5 years, the Galaxy just through about 1 year.

From my perspective especially the last point makes the Galaxy substantially overpriced. But while I'm not alone with that opinion, not everybody has the same priorities.

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Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:46 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 35):
From my perspective especially the last point makes the Galaxy substantially overpriced. But while I'm not alone with that opinion, not everybody has the same priorities.

Only thing I will comment on...

It is overpriced, it is also still in the initial sales period (aka brand new)
The HTC One X had a $100 drop after about 60 days, expect the S3 to do the same.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 35):
devices get 3-4 years of iOS upgrades

You've said that a few times in this thread, but I'm curious as to why Siri wasn't put on the 4, then?
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 32):
You apparently haven't used the latest Androids...

Android phones aren't playing catch up anymore. They are ahead.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 33):
Better question, why buy an iPhone 4S 16GB for $650 (AT&T no contract) instead of a Samsung Galaxy SIII for $550 or HTC One X for $450 (also AT&T no contract) for the same memory, better camera, bigger screen, etc etc?

My SGS3 has a micro SD card, a battery that can be changed by myself and a much better camera than the iPhone.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 34):
And the latest Iphone hits in October...... It's an arms race,

So you admit that Apple is behind?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 35):
The screen of the 4S is smaller, but so is the entire device, which is a big plus in my pocket.

The iPhone isn't lighter, it's also thicker than the SGS3 and only a fanboy would argue that the 3 1/2 '' screen on an iPhone is better than the SGS3's 4.8-inch display when you web browse.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 38):
So you admit that Apple is behind?

In terms of what?This is one of those statements that make non technical people look like fools.

You are the fanboy you complain about.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 37):
You've said that a few times in this thread, but I'm curious as to why Siri wasn't put on the 4, then?

Siri is a feature of the iPhone 4S, not a feature of iOS. Apple has made a clear distinction there. They can choose to change that down the road, but they have no obligation to do that.

Siri is also based on hardware that the iPhone 4 does not possess (the Nuance audio coprocessor) and it is an online service producing additional long-term server load and development cost which is paid for with the 4S, but not with the 4. Apart from that, priority was on responsiveness which would have suffered when rolling it out to all legacy devices.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 38):
The iPhone isn't lighter, it's also thicker than the SGS3 and only a fanboy would argue that the 3 1/2 '' screen on an iPhone is better than the SGS3's 4.8-inch display when you web browse.

It only devalues your own argument when you feel the need to lace it with personal insults.

A full RGB display just produces cleaner text and image rendering than a PenTile display with shared subpixels does. This is quite obvious and verifiable.

PenTile is a simplification that reduces cost, complexity and helps to compensate for problems in manufacturing the blue OLED subpixels. For that it sacrifices text and image quality. That's all there is to it.

On RGBW, Pentile, Sub-pixels and ‘Graininess’ of mobile displays

I'm relatively sensitive to degraded text and image display, but of course many people just don't care.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 38):
Android phones aren't playing catch up anymore. They are ahead.

If you feel they are ahead relative to your personal priorities, you're certainly entitled to that view. Other people with different priorities see this differently, and then there is the imminent generation change on the iPhone side.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 39):

In terms of what?

Did you read my post? I told you why the SGS3 was better, but continue to drink the kool aid. Am I wrong? Does the iPhone have: a better screen, better camera, a replaceable (by a user) battery, or a micro SD card. Is the iPhone lighter or thinner?

Quoting casinterest (Reply 39):
This is one of those statements that make non technical people look like fools.

I guess you did.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:12 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 41):
Did you read my post? I

You are asking me to verify something I never claimed. Get off the kool -aid. You are throwing crap around at folks that didn't even ask for it.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 41):

Does the iPhone have a higher quality, clearer screen? Yes, it does. This is the most important part, not the size of the screen.

Does the iPhone have a bigger screen? No, this doesn't means it's not as good though.


Does the iPhone 4S have a better camera? From watching multiple videos and comparisons, yes it does. Here is a nice video for you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDnk8...G0mzY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Can a user replace the battery in the iPhone? No, but to be honest, this doesn't bother many people.

Does the iPhone have expandable storage? No, however, once again most people aren't affected.


So tell me from your 4 questions how the galaxy S3 is better?
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 43):
Does the iPhone 4S have a better camera? From watching multiple videos and comparisons, yes it does. Here is a nice video for you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDnk8...G0mzY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Uhh, you are using THAT video to claim the Iphone does better video?
It pretty much confirms the IPhone 4S's known issues:
Color Oversaturation
Poor closeup focus
Less field of vision

And sorry but the GS3 DOES do video better than almost any other phones to date, be it Iphone, HTC, LG or Black Forest Elves.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:28 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 44):

It doesn't show that at all. From the video, it is much clearer from the iPhone 4S. And it does close up video very well. These are the main videos I shoot. Here is another video, once gain showing a better camera quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku1iA...vddQI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 44):
Uhh, you are using THAT video to claim the Iphone does better video?
It pretty much confirms the IPhone 4S's known issues:
Color Oversaturation
Poor closeup focus
Less field of vision

And sorry but the GS3 DOES do video better than almost any other phones to date, be it Iphone, HTC, LG or Black Forest Elves.

Well, if you just claim it regardless of what the products actually do, then of course there's no basis for discussion.

But to the actual video:

• The S3 is consistently overexposed, losing much contrast, colour and details. Its video is more or less junked by this. The sky is just a white blob on the S3, sometimes eating up the buildings, too. On the iPhone not just that separation remains clear, the sky is also actually blue.

• In the cellar the iPhone retains the actual colours much better, at much lower noise levels. The S3 shows much more noise and substantial discolouration.

• The iPhone keeps the focus on the primary object (the one which makes up the biggest portion of the image) while the S2 apparently refocuses on the nearest objects which is generally undesired if these make up only a minority of the image.

• The iPhone records much fuller, more natural sound. The S3 sound is heavily limited ("telephone sound").

• The S3 apparently scales down from the full sensor format, providing a larger field of view but producing scaling artefacts (angled lines look "jaggier"). The iPhone uses only the native sensor resolution on just the center of the sensor, preserving optimal artefact-free resolution, but reducing the field of view.

Of course this particular comparison is just one example, but if it is representative, the iPhone does indeed have a much better camera at least as far as video is concerned.

The thing is that most of the difference is in software. The S3 could have effectively the same (or very similar) image quality as the 4S if they had the same control software. It's no accident that Apple has invested quite heavily into the camera, and it shows in this video.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:00 am

Trolling? I was hard core Nokia supporter until Tmobile pissed me off. My contract has ended months ago and they wouldn't sell me a phone in store for the price I would pay online.
I cracked the display on my Nokia by accident and needed new phone right away. They wouldn't give me $40 off.
I went across the shop (in the shopping mall) 30 feet to AT&T store and got iPhone 3S. Cheaper then the phone I wanted from Tmobile. Since then I haven't looked back to any other phone.
iPhone is much easier to use, much more user friendly, sleek and handy. I don't have to restart it twice a day like my Verizon friends with their android phones. Now I own iPhone 4S and I love it.

I also have iPhone 4S with android OS on it. I don't like the OS. Its slow. Crashes a lot. I just use it when I travel around the world and have to buy local SIM card.
I just took picture of my android OS with my apple OS phone  


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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 47):
Trolling?

Yes, from the way your post was worded.

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 47):
I went across the shop (in the shopping mall) 30 feet to AT&T store and got iPhone 3S. Cheaper then the phone I wanted from Tmobile. Since then I haven't looked back to any other phone.
iPhone is much easier to use, much more user friendly, sleek and handy. I don't have to restart it twice a day like my Verizon friends with their android phones. Now I own iPhone 4S and I love it.

A perfectly valid personal opinion.

Just probably a little bit short of the best thing that ever happened to all of humanity.   

And above all with no relevance to the sanity of people who may happen to see things differently. That's my whole point in this thread: People draw individual conclusions on the basis of what they know, what they need and what they like. None of our own preferences have any real relevance for anybody else, so outcomes will differ, usually for equally valid reasons on each side.

It's of course also valid to trade topical arguments, but whether anyone agrees with any of those will again be a matter of preferences and priorities, not one of (in)sanity or variations in personal value.

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 47):
I also have iPhone 4S with android OS on it. I don't like the OS. Its slow. Crashes a lot. I just use it when I travel around the world and have to buy local SIM card.

It's a hacked-together port of an old Android version on the basis of reverse-engineered drivers made without any official hardware documentation. I've been pretty underwhelmed by the officially configured Android devices I've used myself as well, but I would not draw too many conclusions from such a Frankenstein port.
 
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RE: Lost My Phone. Advice For A New One?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:18 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
I hope you're not investing money based on this idea.

He works for RIM, of course he's going to try and convince people to invest in a dying company if it helps him keep his job for longer.

You say this:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 35):
Either the product works well for you or it doesn't.

Then say this:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 35):

• The screen of the 4S is smaller, but so is the entire device, which is a big plus in my pocket.

Why are you using something that is completely subjective as to why someone should buy an iPhone? You may wear skinny jeans with small pockets while he may wear cargo pants, your point is completely moot.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 44):
Poor closeup focus

This is something I despise about my 4S... Hopefully the 5 will be better which I intend to get.

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 43):
Does the iPhone have a higher quality, clearer screen? Yes, it does. This is the most important part, not the size of the screen.

Using this line of logic you could say that you might as well watch a movie on your iPhone rather than your tv, the iPhone has denser pixels than the tv, the size doesn't matter! Of course it matters, you can view more of a webpage on one page, you can see more details in a picture without needing to zoom in, there are numerous benefits to a bigger screen. Many Apple fanboys for some reason have this notion that any screen bigger than 3.5" is useless, Andorids have had bigger screens since the beginning and Apple doesn't do anything wrong ipso facto it must be better! What are you going to say when the iPhone 5 comes out next month and it likely has a bigger screen? You'll say a bigger screen is better when Apple does it but terrible when Samsung does it, at least Klaus backs up his opinions with some semblance of rationality...

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