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Vt Farmer Crushes 7 Cop Cars With Tractor

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:33 pm

Meanwhile in Vermont, it seems a local farmer was upset about getting busted by the police for possession of marijuana, so he used his 15 ton heavy duty tractor to lay waste to 7 of the town's police vehicles:



Estimated cost of damage: around a quarter million dollars...

Seems he was able to flee 2 miles (presumably at about 10 miles an hour) before the cops found a workable cruiser to chase him down.

Seems they will be asking the state police to transport him to his day in court, for the obvious reason.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...mont-farmer-destroys-sheriffs-cars

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/p...-crushed-cop-cars-tractor-16916685
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:59 pm

Someone should ask him half way through his sentance if he thinks it was all worth it.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:14 pm

I think the guy just needs to mellow out a bit  

The Damage inflicted is rather substantial, not only will the state lose money on the cars, but also incarcerating this guy.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:27 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 2):
I think the guy just needs to mellow out a bit

Maybe he can smoke some of that pot!  
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:57 pm

The dude might as well spend some time in jail as the cops will probably take his farm to pay for new cars.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:10 pm

Where's Superfly to tell us how incredibly tough Panther platform cars are?
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 3):
Quoting casinterest (Reply 2):
I think the guy just needs to mellow out a bit

Maybe he can smoke some of that pot!

I know - I thought pot was supposed to mellow you out!

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):
The dude might as well spend some time in jail as the cops will probably take his farm to pay for new cars.

Actually I think he's a farm employee, but I really think once his jail time is up, he'll definitely want to move to another town.

Otherwise I bet he'll find two cop cars parked at the foot of his driveway 24x7 waiting to follow him everywhere he goes.

Can you imagine how pissed the cops are?

I know many police officers are very particular about their vehicles.

I'm sure this story will be passed down through the police ranks for generations to come.

This dude's great-grandkids probably don't want to set foot in this town!

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Where's Superfly to tell us how incredibly tough Panther platform cars are?

     
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):
The dude might as well spend some time in jail as the cops will probably take his farm to pay for new cars.

From what I understand, in Vermont, such funding decisions are made by town hall meeting. According to a post I saw from a local on another message board, it is entirely possible that the town will vote to not replace the damaged equipment. (and that is an absolutely incontrovertable source, right?   )

But I wonder... wouldn't they be insured?
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:29 pm

See, if we didn't waste our time personalising personal posession of marijuana, cop cars wouldn't get crushed by tractors.
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:15 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):The dude might as well spend some time in jail as the cops will probably take his farm to pay for new cars.
From what I understand, in Vermont, such funding decisions are made by town hall meeting. According to a post I saw from a local on another message board, it is entirely possible that the town will vote to not replace the damaged equipment. (and that is an absolutely incontrovertable source, right? )

But I wonder... wouldn't they be insured?

Of course they would be insured, possibly in a statewide or regional government pool insurance program backed up by reinsurance (Vermont is a major domicile for domestic captive and reinsurance companies) set up for when major losses like this. That is going to be one long day for the claims adjuster.

Not only were the cars destroyed like by a monster truck, but all the lights, radios/com equipment and even guns were damaged. One cop there apparently said that they would need 'the Jaws of Life' to get into the cars and trunks to get to the guns and other equipment out. They have been lent cars by the county and adjacent communities to hold them over, but it could be 2-3 months to get replacements and on the road and probably longer for the insurance to work out.

By the way, this guy had been initially busted for pot possession, probably would have faced a few months in jail. Now he will be seeing years in jail and a lot of cops with long memories.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:03 am

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Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:09 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
By the way, this guy had been initially busted for pot possession, probably would have faced a few months in jail. Now he will be seeing years in jail and a lot of cops with long memories.

I sure hope he had fun!
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:49 am

As bad as that bunch of Cop cars looked, it's "minor" comported to what some "noob" in ( I think it was Ohio) did after had had a major beef with the cops; stole a huge bull dozer, drove it to the local High School, then proceeded to completely level a new gymnasium ( which had just recently cost a couple of million to build ! )


Guys like this disappoint me; you would think that if someone was going to do something that major, ( knowing full well that they're gonna get a LONG free room & board ), that they'd at least try to set some kind of a "new record" for $$$ caused


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Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:09 am

Too bad they were Crown Victoria / Police Interceptors.
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:24 am

I would enjoy seeing a film of that !
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:10 pm

That farm boy is an idiot - he should have driven his monster tractor to a jurisdiction that has Dodges instead!

In any case, it turns out that he laid waste to cop cars of a different jurisdiction than the one that arrested him!
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
By the way, this guy had been initially busted for pot possession, probably would have faced a few months in jail. Now he will be seeing years in jail and a lot of cops with long memories.

Chances are he probably would not have gotten that. Assuming that he did'nt get busted with a couple garbage bags of the stuff. He probably would have paid a fine and at the most done some community service. Now he would have done some time for the resisting arrest charge.
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:56 pm

Honestly, he should go to New York, Chicago and San Francisco with his tractor and roll over allthose metermaid carts.
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:43 pm

I am surprised nobody stopped him before he did it - those things are slow, are you telling me there were not enough cops around to jump onto the tractor and yank him down?

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
Of course they would be insured

Really? Not trying to be a smart-ass, but kind of surprised about that. In Portugal, cars owned by the government are not insured (the theory being that the government is capable enough to pay if anything happens, but in reality what happens is it is a major pain in the ass for the people who drive them if something happens). I wonder what kind of rates they get on those things (and what commercial carriers write insurance on that). While it is not every day that 7 cop cars get totaled by a mad-man in a tractor, they still get beaten up a lot more than regular cars...

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Vermont is a major domicile for domestic captive and reinsurance companies

Captive reinsurance has nothing to do with it, and while Vermont is a major domicile for captive reinsurers, it is mostly on the Life insurance side, for, let's call it, regulatory arbitrage purposes. Most P&C reinsurance written in the U.S. is actually written by insurers domiciled off-shore (Bermuda, Switzerland, Ireland).
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:00 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 18):
Really? Not trying to be a smart-ass, but kind of surprised about that. In Portugal, cars owned by the government are not insured (the theory being that the government is capable enough to pay if anything happens, but in reality what happens is it is a major pain in the ass for the people who drive them if something happens).

Smaller municipalities like the one involved in this incident might not have the money on hand to pay for the loss. That's why they have insurance.
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:02 pm

Maybe pot should be legalised, I'm sure it would save the US billions every year on pot enforcement which is obviously a failure.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:05 pm

Vermont is charmingly odd. Some of those people have been there 300 years. Long feuds and strage traditions are all part of it.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:07 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 18):
I am surprised nobody stopped him before he did it - those things are slow, are you telling me there were not enough cops around to jump onto the tractor and yank him down?

Apparently the cop shop is a former bank, very solidly built, with air conditioners running full blast, so not a single cop heard it happen. It took a 911 call from a neighbor to clue them in.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 18):
Really?

Yes, really.

Most things are insured via private means.

One notable exception is the nuclear industry, which gets government insurance, because no one else would ever write a policy.

And as we've seen recently, US municipalities can and do go bankrupt. San Bernardino CA is the 3rd CA municipality to recently go bankrupt. Guess Frank Zappa was on to something...
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:51 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
Most things are insured via private means.

I doubt the police cars are insured, the premiums would be massive, I know that police vehicles in NZ aren't insured, it's cheaper for the govt not to insure them.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:38 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
Most things are insured via private means.

One notable exception is the nuclear industry, which gets government insurance, because no one else would ever write a policy.

Oh, there are plenty of exceptions. The California Earthquake Authority, Citizens Insurance of Florida, Federal crop insurance, Federal flood insurance, hurricane protection pretty much all up the Eastern seabord, worker's compensation funds n California and New York, excess auto liability in Michigan, etc. - there is certainly no lack of instances of Federal and State governments going out of their way to subsidize rich farmers, coastal homeowners and trial lawyers.
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 8):
See, if we didn't waste our time personalising personal posession of marijuana, cop cars wouldn't get crushed by tractors.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 20):
Maybe pot should be legalised, I'm sure it would save the US billions every year on pot enforcement which is obviously a failure.

I'm completely for legalization of marijuana, but surely you can't think this guy is justified in crushing 7 police cars...
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 25):
I'm completely for legalization of marijuana, but surely you can't think this guy is justified in crushing 7 police cars...

Oh not at all. Was exaggerating a bit for the effect of silliness. Rampaging around and squashing police cars is a huge and very dangerous overreaction.
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 25):
I'm completely for legalization of marijuana

Oh, for heaven's sake, it's legal already.

Pot is federal jaywalking.
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 27):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 25):
I'm completely for legalization of marijuana

Oh, for heaven's sake, it's legal already.

Pot is federal jaywalking.

Ummmmmm I know several people that have been busted for pot in the last few years.............
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
the nuclear industry, which gets government insurance, because no one else would ever write a policy.

In their defense, no one else could write a policy. But your point still stands -- they would not -- because the insurance is offered at rates that are too cheap. Which is unprofessional. The same as giving away money.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:04 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 29):
But your point still stands -- they would not -- because the insurance is offered at rates that are too cheap. Which is unprofessional. The same as giving away money.

Indeed.

As for this incident, the link in the thread starter isn't working any more, but it did say the cars were insured.
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Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:39 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 25):
I'm completely for legalization of marijuana, but surely you can't think this guy is justified in crushing 7 police cars...

Here, have a bong rip. It'll help your sense of humor.  

Anyway, it could have been worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI

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Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Where's Superfly to tell us how incredibly tough Panther platform cars are?

While those police cars, as a unit, can't be salvaged; depending on the extent of the damage per vehicle, those platforms could be salvaged and used for other purposes. Case in point: the Batmobile that was used in the films of the 80s & 90s used two 1967 Chevy (B-body) platforms that were welded together.

BTW, that tractor used could just as easily convert your beloved German cars into junk as well.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
Too bad they were Crown Victoria / Police Interceptors.

Had this incident taken place over a year ago, they (the police) could have still been able to simply order new CVPIs as replacements. Makes one wonder what vehicles they'll opt for now (Tahoe PPV, Caprice PPV, Impala, Charger, UI (Explorer) or PI (Taurus)).

Based on the photos, 2 of the destroyed vehicles were a first-generation (2000-2005) W-body Impala and a Windstar (detective vehicle perhaps). My guess is that those along with the CVPIs were all of different vintages.

Most departments typically (for financial and practical reasons) don't replace all of their vehicles in one full swoop. This department has no choice but to do so.
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Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 32):
While those police cars, as a unit, can't be salvaged; depending on the extent of the damage per vehicle, those platforms could be salvaged and used for other purposes.

Considering the number of cheap, uncrushed Crown Victorias out there I don't see why someone would use more than a few odd parts out of them.
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Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
Considering the number of cheap, uncrushed Crown Victorias out there I don't see why someone would use more than a few odd parts out of them.

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Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):

Lol I've seen that before. Reminds me of that guy in CA (?) that stole that tank and started running over things
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Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:52 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 35):
Lol I've seen that before. Reminds me of that guy in CA (?) that stole that tank and started running over things

I mean, if you're gonna go out, go out with a bang, right?
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 36):
I mean, if you're gonna go out, go out with a bang, right?

Speaking of bang, people are just lucky that that guy didn't have access to the live rounds that were stored nearby IIRC
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 27):
it's legal already.

Pot is federal jaywalking.

Jaywalking is legal?
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