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Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:47 pm

Obama's White House and Campaign Staffs Censors Media interviews before they are published. So much for respect of the 1st Amendment that Obama has. Obama hasn't had a formal WH press conference since March 6th but has made time for those serious publications like Entertainment Weekly.

This wasn't just some right wing nut complaining this was reported in the oh so august New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/us...e-it-back.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all

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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:03 pm

Did you RTFA?

"The Romney campaign insists that journalists interviewing any of Mitt Romney’s five sons agree to use only quotations that are approved by the press office. And Romney advisers almost always require that reporters ask them for the green light on anything from a conversation that they would like to include in an article.

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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:27 pm

What an outrage! The government shows up, busts down the doors, and beats up reporters, burning all "questionable material." Oh wait...

"They are sent by e-mail from the Obama headquarters in Chicago to reporters who have interviewed campaign officials under one major condition: the press office has veto power over what statements can be quoted and attributed by name."

...orrrrrrr they agree prior to the interview to only publish approved quotes.

Yeah...

I'm no corrupt government official, but if I were being interviewed, I'd make sure I'd have the final say on what the reporter can or can't publish. I think most people are that way.

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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 1):
Did you RTFA?

Romney isn't paid on the taxpayer dime. The article was talking about Romney's sons not people who are employed by Obama. Of course you never want anything bad said or written about Obama. Obama is the guy who said he would have the most tranparent administration in the history of the US.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 2):
I'd make sure I'd have the final say on what the reporter can or can't publish.

Then what's the point of a free press and the First Amendment if the government tells the press what to print? Welcome Pravda.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:17 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 3):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 2):
I'd make sure I'd have the final say on what the reporter can or can't publish.

Then what's the point of a free press and the First Amendment if the government tells the press what to print? Welcome Pravda.

Again, they agreed before they did the interview. When companies disallow employees to tell secrets, is that a breach of the 1st Amendment?

It's not like the reporters found something out or a leak and the government busts down the doors. They agreed beforehand.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:17 pm

I'll need to read the full article later, but from the little I've read so far, it's not the white house but the campaign who is censoring. Big difference. . . not that it's a nice thing by any means, but it's not the same. . .
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
It's not like the reporters found something out or a leak and the government busts down the doors. They agreed beforehand

But its a quid pro quo. Government employess shouldn't be involved in such games.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:26 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Obama's White House and Campaign Staffs Censors Media interviews before they are published.

No, they redact interviews which have been conducted under that expressed condition.

"Censorship" as a matter of general civil rights would be suppression of undesired content which had been created outside of such agreements, which is something completely different.

Granting access in exchange for control of the final message by itself does not touch the 1st amendment, as long as the press is free to report outside of such agreements.

There can be a grey area, but if anything, you should complain about press organs willingly handing over part of the control of their reporting to the object of same reporting (although I don't see the agreements extending to other parts of their content beyond direct interviews).

The question is how dominant this kind of agreement is in the end across all products of said media. If it isn't and if the agreement in play is properly documented, there is not much to complain about. If it should tinge the entirety of all reporting by certain media, then there would be cause for concern. But even then it would not rise to the level of your sensationalist "censorship".
 
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:52 pm

Do you know what the First Amendment says?

Quote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Um.....


what part of the First Amendment has been violated?

Seriously people. I'm getting so @#$%ing sick and tired of people blasting someone as violating the First Amendment, when they have no clue what it actually says.
 
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

There's nothing even remotely illegal in unethical being done here.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:13 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press
There's nothing even remotely illegal in unethical being done here.

Illegal, no.

First Amendment violation, no.

Kinda shady, you bet.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
Kinda shady, you bet.

Not if a) these conditions are documented properly (which they seem to be) and if b) said officials do not categorically exclude unedited interviews (which you have any evidence for?).
 
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
No, they redact interviews which have been conducted under that expressed condition.

"Censorship" as a matter of general civil rights would be suppression of undesired content which had been created outside of such agreements, which is something completely different.

If the press effectively cannot do any interviews with the President without signing the 'agreement', then it is at least (!) close to censorship.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 12):
If the press effectively cannot do any interviews with the President without signing the 'agreement', then it is at least (!) close to censorship.

I have already asked if that is actually the case.

It is easier for journalists to agree to such conditions. But whether they are actually forced to agree to them is still a separate question.

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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:59 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Obama's White House and Campaign Staffs Censors Media interviews before they are published.

From the article "the press office has veto power over what statements can be quoted and attributed by name."

With all out of context quotes who can blame them for doing this? If you read the full article you will also find "the other side" is doing the same.

Misplaced outrage.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
I have already asked if that is actually the case.

Well the article clearly states

Quote:
From Capitol Hill to the Treasury Department, interviews granted only with quote approval have become the default position.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
So much for respect of the 1st Amendment that Obama has.

   You don't know what the first amendment actually says, do you?

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
Kinda shady, you bet.

It is a bit shady, but every campaign does it. The same way that town hall campaign appearances have become a farce - the questions are all pre-approved and designed to portray the candidate in the best possible light.

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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
It is a bit shady, but every campaign does it.

Yes, but that doesn't make it right.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 15):
Well the article clearly states

Quote:
From Capitol Hill to the Treasury Department, interviews granted only with quote approval have become the default position.

"Default" does not equal "exclusively".

Journalists have choices about which compromises they are willing to make. Telling the public that the opportunity for an unedited interview was declined may not be "sexy", but that's where the integrity of the respective reporter may come in if the editing by the WH is seen as excessive.

Of course that's also the question: Is such editing merely about excising politically irrelevant stuff like the odd repetition or swear word or have they insisted on eliminating or modifying politically relevant questions and (potentially lacking) answers?

Political journalism has plumbed ever new depths in the US in recent years (with one major "news" station even explicitly campaigning against the sitting President), so I wouldn't be entirely surprised with the WH trying to limit at least the worst excesses of deliberate distortions.
 
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
it's not the white house but the campaign who is censoring. Big difference

Yes it is. This is after all the Marxist/Maoist/Stateist/Communitst/Socialist Muslim liberal that is an anti-American terrorist. *rolls eyes* Anything to hate.

Not one person on the right even lifted an eyebrow when Bush had his "free speech zones" and screened everyone going to his town hall meetings just to make sure they were all Bushies. That was perfectly fine and all on the taxpayer dime too I might add.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:55 am

How many times has something been carefully edited to portray something in a particular way? Something as simple as the removal of a comma can change the meaning of a phrase. In a hour long interview just one sentence, or a part of it, will be seized on and used in a manner which may not reflect the context.

"We have accumulated debts..." On the screen that phrase seems neutral enough. But what does it mean? Does it mean that we as a nation have debts totalling a given amount? Or does it mean that the Government has been irresponsible and accumulated those debts since coming into office?

Given that newspapers of whichever persuasion will put their own slant on any story is it not reasonable that people would want to check that they actually print the facts? You may call it censorship. Others may call it making sure the press isn't lying.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:59 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 19):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
it's not the white house but the campaign who is censoring. Big difference

Yes it is. This is after all the Marxist/Maoist/Stateist/Communitst/Socialist Muslim liberal that is an anti-American terrorist. *rolls eyes* Anything to hate.

Not one person on the right even lifted an eyebrow when Bush had his "free speech zones" and screened everyone going to his town hall meetings just to make sure they were all Bushies. That was perfectly fine and all on the taxpayer dime too I might add.

So PPVRA makes a comment that is not even bashing the President and you go into one of your right wing rants? When is it "ok" for one side to do something and the not the other? Your 2nd paragraph shouldn't even exist.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 21):
So PPVRA makes a comment that is not even bashing the President and you go into one of your right wing rants?

I was actually agreeing with him.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 21):
When is it "ok" for one side to do something and the not the other? Your 2nd paragraph shouldn't even exist.

It exists to tell all the right-wingers what happened under Bush and why this is not news.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 21):
So PPVRA makes a comment that is not even bashing the President and you go into one of your right wing rants?

I was actually agreeing with him.

My apologies
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:27 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
but every campaign does it.

It's not just the campaign it's senior government officials engaged in this kind of activity.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
Not if a) these conditions are documented properly (which they seem to be) and if b) said officials do not categorically exclude unedited interviews

I don't see the disclaimers in the articles saying that this report was reviewed by the interviewee and subsequently edited by them. Lots of TV programs tell the viewer the context of the interview i.e., "we had to submit our questions in advance", "this topic was off-limits", etc.

What is happening here is that if they say something stupid they get a do over.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:52 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
It's not like the reporters found something out or a leak and the government busts down the doors. They agreed beforehand

But its a quid pro quo. Government employess shouldn't be involved in such games.

It is standard practice, since quite a few "journalists" like to take quotes out of context and to splice them together (by ommitting the content inbetween) so that the meaning is completely reversed.

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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:28 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 24):
What is happening here is that if they say something stupid they get a do over.

If it was a mistake in phrasing, wouldn't you want one, or would you like someone like Rush Limbaugh omitting facts and going on a tirade over a 7 word phrase in a 20 minute speech?


Probably not, because you just like to do nothing but hate on Obama.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:06 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 25):
It is standard practice, since quite a few "journalists" like to take quotes out of context and to splice them together (by ommitting the content inbetween) so that the meaning is completely reversed.

It's a sad state of affairs when journalists have to stoop to a.net trolling methods (saying no names) but unfortunately this seems the way of the media these days.

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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:29 am

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 27):
It's a sad state of affairs when journalists have to stoop to a.net trolling methods (saying no names) but unfortunately this seems the way of the media these days.

Unfortunately you're right. I would rather see a quote from an unnamed government official not authorized to speak to the media than from a named one and wonder if that's what he really said.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:34 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 24):
Lots of TV programs tell the viewer the context of the interview i.e., "we had to submit our questions in advance", "this topic was off-limits", etc.

Really? Where? When? My in-laws watch FOX constantly. They show quotes from several interviews but I don't hear "you can see the entire interview......"

At least when MSNBC does it, they cite the date of the interview and where on the net it can be found for free.
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 28):
I would rather see a quote from an unnamed government official not authorized to speak

Trouble with unnamed sources is two fold;
i) you don't know if the person actually exists or is simply a journalistic device;
ii) even if the person does exist, how do you know what was actually said?
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:30 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):

So much for respect of the 1st Amendment that Obama has.

First, he's President Obama.

Second, I suggest you leave the application of the US Constitution to those qualified to do so...



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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting Smittyone (Reply 31):
Second, I suggest you leave the application of the US Constitution to those qualified to do so...

So if you were Catholic you'd still want Mass said in Latin even though you don't undstand it.   
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RE: Obama WH/Campaign Censors Press

Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:33 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 32):
So if you were Catholic you'd still want Mass said in Latin even though you don't undstand it.


Haha, no. I'm just saying you should stick to what you know. This isn't it...

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