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I Just Wanna Let Y'all Know...

Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:36 am

The Washington Nationals are the best team in baseball.

Believe it!!!

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:43 am

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Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:41 pm

The Nats have been great this year. Very impressed by Jordan Zimmerman, and Gio Gonzalez has been much better than I thought he'd be. The offense has been good enough, the pitching wonderful, the defense solid. Many people are upset about the Strasburg innings limit, but will it really hurt the Nats all that much? Strasburg is a very good pitcher, but he's not the best pitcher on their staff this year--Zimmerman is. And Strasburg and Gonzalez are pretty much even. Detwiler and Jackson have been solid too. Yes, missing Strasburg in the playoffs will hurt a little, but they have the depth to be able to cope with taking him out of the rotation. Try finding another team that can say the same.

But, as always, Go Rangers!

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:07 am

Washington who?

 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:09 am

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
The Expos are the best team in baseball.

Fixed that for you
   

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:15 am

Quoting texan (Reply 2):
Many people are upset about the Strasburg innings limit, but will it really hurt the Nats all that much?

If they really shut him down for the playoffs, yes. They're nuts if they do that. If they really wanted to limit his innings, they should have started him off later in the season.

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
If they really wanted to limit his innings, they should have started him off later in the season.

How exactly does one do that?

Players need spring training, especially pitchers. There's a reason they report to camp sooner than everyone else. Yes, we can consider starting a player later in the year, but look what happened to Roy Oswalt when that happened. And he's in his 30s, not coming off of major surgery.

I think the Nats did exactly what they should have done.

Now, if I were king, I'd move him to the bullpen for the month of September, and move him back for the playoffs. But you know, not every starter makes a decent relief pitcher. (Chien Ming Wang, for instance.)
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
The Washington Nationals are the best team in baseball.

My brother interned for the Nationals this summer.

That is obviously the reason they are doing so well.

And given that I can't really root for the Red Sox with all the crap coming out of that locker room, I guess the Nationals are a decent 2nd choice.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:40 pm

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 6):
How exactly does one do that?

You just start him off later in the season. Start his spring training later, have him throw in games in the minors instead of in spring training games, etc.

The idea that one of the top pitchers in the league will be shut down for the playoffs because of an innings limit is ridiculous. The playoffs are a crapshoot - unless you're one of the powerhouse teams, which Washington isn't, you don't know if you're going to get back there again. So why waste an opportunity to go in there with your best?

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
You just start him off later in the season. Start his spring training later, have him throw in games in the minors instead of in spring training games, etc.

You know Mir, I think this argument lacks analysis. To get to the postseason, you have to win in the regular season. If were truly the case that Strasburg's presence means the difference between winning in the postseason and losing in the postseason, don't you think it also means that his presence means the difference between getting to the postseason and not getting there? You have to acknowledge that if you advocate a later start for Strasburg.

Add to that, Stras's WAR is right in line with the rest of the Nats' powerful rotation. He's our THIRD best pitcher this year. If you look at actual stats, you'll see that it is actually Jordan Zimmermann that the Nats can't live without, not Strasburg. And why can we not live without Zimmermann? Because we SHUT HIM DOWN last year.
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:10 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
To get to the postseason, you have to win in the regular season.

The Nationals have just as good a chance at winning the regular season minus Strasburg in late August/September as they do minus Strasburg in April/early May.

You'd have an argument if the team's success came out of the blue, but even before the season people were figuring the Nationals were going to be pretty competitive.

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
He's our THIRD best pitcher this year.

Which isn't really relevant. When you get to a Game 7 (the game normally pitched by the 3rd starter), do you want Strasburg starting, or whoever your fourth starter is? His absence makes everyone else move up in the rotation, and that tends to expose people.

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Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:16 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
The Nationals have just as good a chance at winning the regular season minus Strasburg in late August/September as they do minus Strasburg in April/early May.

Huh?

How does that help your argument? Strasburg has had 25 starts so far, and will probably have 6 more this season before he is shut down in late September. That's 31 starts. If you hadn't started him up until June, you would have lost about 12 of those starts. So if the Nats would have been just as good using only 19 of Strasburg's starts in the regular season as they would have with 31 (presumably because another pitcher could have ably replaced him), how can you then argue that the Nats won't be as good using that able pitcher in the postseason? It does not add up.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
even before the season people were figuring the Nationals were going to be pretty competitive.

This is very much untrue. Before the season began, nearly all the pundits had the Nats finishing either 3rd or 4th in the division behind the Phillies (the consensus pick) the Braves, and the newly upgraded Marlins. The Nats were expected to be a .500 team.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
He's our THIRD best pitcher this year.

Which isn't really relevant.

It is absolutely relevant. People are claiming that we're losing our ace. We are not. It would be like (and will be like) St. Louis losing Lance Lynn.
 
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Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:46 am

Phillies are the best team. They will win the World Series this year. Don't let their record fool you, they are due for a huge run. The Nationals have played some good ball so far but they wont be able to keep it up. Has anyone seen Bryce Harper lately? Thought he was the next best thing?
 
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Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:21 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
Strasburg has had 25 starts so far, and will probably have 6 more this season before he is shut down in late September. That's 31 starts. If you hadn't started him up until June, you would have lost about 12 of those starts.

I said May, not June. Give him the thirty starts (or perhaps a few less) from mid-May onward or whatever the dates work out to, and then pitch him in the playoffs.

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
So if the Nats would have been just as good using only 19 of Strasburg's starts in the regular season as they would have with 31 (presumably because another pitcher could have ably replaced him), how can you then argue that the Nats won't be as good using that able pitcher in the postseason?

Because in the postseason you aren't playing the Astros, Marlins, Cubs, etc. You're playing the best teams in the league, and while you can get away with beating the dregs of the league with your B team on occasion, that doesn't work in the playoffs.

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
People are claiming that we're losing our ace. We are not. It would be like (and will be like) St. Louis losing Lance Lynn.

That would depend on who the replacement for Lance Lynn (or Strasburg) is. Fact of the matter is, the Nationals are a better team with Strasburg on the roster than without him. And one generally wants to put the best team they can out there in October.

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 13):
Phillies are the best team. They will win the World Series this year. Don't let their record fool you, they are due for a huge run.


17.5 games out of the division lead, 9.5 out of the wild card play-in game and having to leapfrog three teams (one of which just picked up Adrian Gonzalez and Josh Beckett). Yeah, good luck with that one.

Or, to put it another way - the Phillies are only 2.5 games better than the Mets. The Mets.

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Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:24 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
And why can we not live without Zimmermann? Because we SHUT HIM DOWN last year.

Annnnd How close were they to making the playoffs last year? 80-81?

Makes complete sense to me, shut down a guy when you actually have a legitimate chance to go to the World Series. "Oh thats ok, we may be in the playoffs this year but we will get him ready for next year....." I think in the playoffs your are only as good as your (1) bullpen and (2) the 2nd, 3rd and 4th in your rotation.

And why wouldn't you want to have a guy who helped get you to the playoffs not pitch in the playoffs?

I think the late start would have been beneficial as well. We are talking 162 games. I know every game counts but seriously....Especially talking about a guy who is going to play, at best, in every 4-5 games.


Oh and the Phillies are 9.5 back in the Wildcard behind the PIRATES.

Go bury your head in the sand...

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Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:43 am

Here's another reason why Washington should start Strasburg in the playoffs: due to Bud Selig's incompetence, the schedule for the first two rounds has been all screwed up, and the #1 seeds in each league are getting hosed.

The regular season ends on a Wednesday. There's an off day to protect for tiebreaker games or the like, and then the play-in game is on Friday. Then there's yet another off day in there before the #1 seed plays Game 1 of their LDS on Sunday. Game 2 is Monday, Tuesday is a travel day, and Wednesday through Friday are Games 3-5. The LCS starts on Saturday with Game 1, and Game 2 is Sunday. In other words, the #1 seed will have no off days between Wednesday and Sunday - that's five games, and so if their LDS goes the distance, they'll need to either use a five-man rotation or pitch someone on short rest. The idea of a four-man rotation without a key member is bad enough, the idea of a five-man rotation without him is worse - now you're pitching someone who ordinarily wouldn't even be in the rotation.

Meanwhile, the #2 seed gets off days in the proper places, gets to know by the end of the regular season where they're going to be playing so they're not held in limbo to find out where they're flying to (the #1 seed has to wait around until the end of the play-in game), and gets an off day between the end of the LDS and the start of the LCS the way it should be. Go figure.  

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Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:02 am

Except baseball is just two guys playing catch with one guy trying to inturrupt. Wake me when you talk about a real sport. Where the players sweat....
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