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Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:38 pm

Judge Tom Head of Lubbock, TX in hot water over a TV interview pitching increased taxes in order to fund the national guard in order to prepare for the upcoming Civil War if the president is re-elected.

 http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/tex...judge-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Referring to unexplained "executive orders" and other documents that Obama and "his minions have filed," Head said, "regardless of whether the Republicans take over the Senate, which I hope they do, he is going to make the United States Congress and he's going to make the Constitution irrelevant. He's got his czars in place that don't answer to anybody."
Obama, Head said, will "try to give the sovereignty of the United States away to the United Nations. What do you think the public's going to do when that happens? We are talking civil unrest, civil disobedience, possibly, possibly civil war ... I'm not talking just talking riots here and there. I'm talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms, get rid of the dictator. OK, what do you think he is going to do when that happens? He is going to call in the U.N. troops, personnel carriers, tanks and whatever."

Moron. If you're going to talk about historical battles, at least refer to Civil War battles and not Revolutionary battles.

Aside from being the craziest thing I have ever heard, how do these people keep getting elected? And it's stuff like this which is an example of how political discourse in this country has gone to shit in the last 8 years.
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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting mdsh00 (Thread starter):
Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Why do you think that guns and ammo are still flying off the shelves?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:42 pm

Because people are morons?
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:46 pm

Yes, yes, yes and millions of people were going to flock north to Canada should Dubya be re-elected in 2004. Segolene Royal said something similar in the 2007 French presidential election. Didn't happen then. Won't happen now. Keep moving people, nothing to see here.   

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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Quoting mdsh00 (Thread starter):
Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Why do you think that guns and ammo are still flying off the shelves?

I know you don't believe that the USA is anywhere close to civil war, so why make such a comment?

I never have understood why people like to make comments implying more than what they actually believe to be true. The whole problem with the nation is that too many people like to do this rather than working to calm things down and get people to come together and work together.

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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
Why do you think that guns and ammo are still flying off the shelves?

I know you don't believe that the USA is anywhere close to civil war, so why make such a comment?

I never have understood why people like to make comments implying more than what they actually believe to be true. The whole problem with the nation is that too many people like to do this rather than working to calm things down and get people to come together and work together.

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:57 pm

That sounds as if someone's gone not merely bananas, but all the way to fruit salad.
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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:03 pm

No offense to any of you that live there, but why is it stuff like this comes from Texas so often? Didn't Rick Perry want TX to secede from the US a few years back?

This guy needs to get a reality check, but so do lots of people thinking all kinds of radical crazy stuff is going to happen if Obama is re-elected (which I don't think he will). I own guns, I'm not the slightest bit worried that he's going to send someone to my house to take them away. I'll bet that on Jan 21st, 2013 I will still be able to buy ammo no matter who's sworn in the day before. Ya'll need to get a grip.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 3):
Yes, yes, yes and millions of people were going to flock north to Canada should Dubya be re-elected in 2004.

Exactly - even have a few left-leaning friends who were thoroughly convinced Bush/Cheney were somehow going to get the 2008 election suspended so they'd stay in power and invoke some sort of martial law etc. Yeah, that happened.  
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:27 pm

Why is anyone giving any attention to this chump? Clearly a little divorced from reality.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
I never have understood why people like to make comments implying more than what they actually believe to be true.

Because, in there own mind, it legitimizes there "gripe"

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:50 am

Some Democrats have called for this 'Judge' to resign as he is showing political bias and for stating such offensive and extreme beliefs. Clearly his statements are unethical per the Texas State Bar. I agree he should resign.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:58 am

I love the irony here that he is using this to advocate for a tax increase.

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:13 am

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 8):
Why is anyone giving any attention to this chump?

Because, I take no pleasure in reporting, he is an elected judge.

There are calls for him to resign - frankly I think someone should order a mental health evaluation before anything else.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:28 am

Quoting mdsh00 (Thread starter):
Moron. If you're going to talk about historical battles, at least refer to Civil War battles and not Revolutionary battles.

Hah!

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
I never have understood why people like to make comments implying more than what they actually believe to be true. The whole problem with the nation is that too many people like to do this rather than working to calm things down and get people to come together and work together.

Because people like to get a rise out of other people. Then they can talk crap about the other people for getting riled up, and say things like "no, I'm perfectly calm, you're getting all pissy". It's a nice little technique for making yourself feel superior and more righteous than the other person.

And before anyone says it, yes, both sides do it.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 11):
I love the irony here that is is using this to advocate for a tax increase.

Hah! again.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Why do you think that guns and ammo are still flying off the shelves?

Because the NRA has been fearmongering people into thinking that Obama will take away their guns tomorrow, when he has proposed nothing of the sort. Gun dealers and manufacturers should be praying that Obama gets re-elected - his presidency has been amazing for their business.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 11):
I love the irony here that is is using this to advocate for a tax increase.

   Pure, unadulterated headscratching irony really doesn't get better than that.

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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:50 am

Quoting mdsh00 (Thread starter):
Judge Tom Head of Lubbock, TX in hot water over a TV interview pitching increased taxes in order to fund the national guard in order to prepare for the upcoming Civil War if the president is re-elected.

If this guy wasn't from texas, Even a hard-core republican like myself would've believed him better.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Why do you think that guns and ammo are still flying off the shelves?

Because people are scared! Seriously, Obama scares people in red states. It's not good for people to be scared like this at all, especially for a struggling economy.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):

Because people are scared! Seriously, Obama scares people in red states. It's not good for people to be scared like this at all, especially for a struggling economy.

That's such bull. You act like Obama is them justifiable reason to be 'scared', other than the endless barrage of far right wing nonsense they are subjected to on their computer and television. Clearly, scaring them is good business for a lot of people, and good politics for Republicans up for election.

Like this crap with the UN. 99% of the time they criticize the UN universally for its weakness and its inability to do anything with the lack of enforcement behind it. But then with this gun crap story they start talking about the UN as the most powerful thing in the world deeply threatening our sovereignty.. It's lunacy. Nice way to bake your cake and eat it too. They will say anything, anything, to drum up fear and score some partisan points.

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Seriously, Obama scares people in red states.

The people need to educate themselves, and stop listening to yahoos like this.

People in Texas generally have things pretty good. If people in red states have it bad, it's by and large because they have elected ineffective leaders at the local level.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:02 am

Note to everyone

This 'judge' is NOT a judge in a court of law. He may not even be a lawyer.

The County Judge position in Texas is the head of the Commissioners Court. That is a body like a city council. The individual commissioners are elected from the various districts in the county, and the County Judge is a county wide position.

The County Judge would be similar to the mayor of a city in responsibility and authority.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:10 am

I believe this is some footage of his courtroom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaK_FgrIlYY
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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:15 am

Quoting mdsh00 (Thread starter):
Aside from being the craziest thing I have ever heard, how do these people keep getting elected?

Agree. People in the judiciary with power should not be subject to public election - but if that were to happen, how would self-promoting Democrat AGs (Aspiring Governors) get noticed?

Quoting mdsh00 (Thread starter):
If you're going to talk about historical battles, at least refer to Civil War battles and not Revolutionary battles.

Weren't both of them technically Civil Wars?

Quoting ER757 (Reply 7):
Didn't Rick Perry want TX to secede from the US a few years back?

Was that around the same time the U.S. was bombing the shit out of the Serbs so the Kosovars could secede or after that? Oh, yes, I forgot, what the U.S. government so often actively promotes abroad is actually illegal in the U.S.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
the Government is coming to get you !

It isn't?

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
Because the NRA has been fearmongering people into thinking that Obama will take away their guns tomorrow, when he has proposed nothing of the sort.

True. He is waiting for another Supreme Court judge to kick the bucket so he can pack it. When that happens, then we will see the Second Amendment suddenly get interpreted in curious and unusual ways,
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:17 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Because people are scared! Seriously, Obama scares people in red states. It's not good for people to be scared like this at all, especially for a struggling economy.

No it's not good for people to be scared. But how do you address irrational people? It borders on being absolutely idiotic. They have nothing real to fear from President Obama, any more than any other person has ever had to fear from any president. Heck regarding a politician, the most I can think people had to fear was from McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee.

Seriously, when has a President, ever directed something to happen that the people (the mass population) should really fear? Why is it suddenly happening now? It's crazy.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
the Government is coming to get you !

It isn't?

No, it's not.

(Unless you are someone like Osama bin Laden, THEN we are coming to get you....)   

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
True. He is waiting for another Supreme Court judge to kick the bucket so he can pack it. When that happens, then we will see the Second Amendment suddenly get interpreted in curious and unusual ways,

Yeah, keep that fear mongering up.... cuz I'm sure the president will just stuff whoever he wants into the court and that then the court will magically stop being independent. Just magically, no Congress, no public, no law, nothing, it'll just happen. Oh and don't forget that then all law forces in the nation will suddenly jump up and take everyone's guns, and it doesn't even address the fact that any ruling would have to come from cases that first have to work their way through a half dozen courts before that magically packed court would get a chance to do anything...

Why do people keep saying this kind of stuff? You can't actually believe this Pyrex. It's just silly to the point of being dumb.

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:17 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 18):
The County Judge would be similar to the mayor of a city in responsibility and authority

That doesn't make it better....

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:31 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 21):
Why do people keep saying this kind of stuff?

There are 3 people on this thread professing the same stuff. It is scary that their are people that delusional or paranoid out there. Th makers fo Tin Foil must be rolling in it.


I mean honestly. the judge is worried about the UN coming in and taking over and wants to beef up the National Guard? Word to the wise, without the National Guardsman of the US, the UN wouldn't have much to come attack with.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:04 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
Was that around the same time the U.S. was bombing the shit out of the Serbs so the Kosovars could secede or after that? Oh, yes, I forgot, what the U.S. government so often actively promotes abroad is actually illegal in the U.S.

That was about genocide, not secession.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Obama scares people in red states.

Why, specifically?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
It's not good for people to be scared like this at all

It's not good for people to be ignorant like this at all.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting cws818 (Reply 25):
Why, specifically?

Because of the colour of his skin!  Yeah sure

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:27 am

I found an article in English about what I was going to mention from this year French presidential election :

Quote:
War of words with the UMP on the offense: professional training minister and fierce defender of President Sarkozy, Nadine Morano called his socialist rival "a dangerous man", National Assembly Speaker, Bernard Accoyer, warned of the "war-like effect" of a socialist victory and PM Fillon blamed Hollande's "doomwatch approach" of the country; Defense minister, Gérard Longuet, even compared Hollande to the captain of that Costa's cruise ship who ran aground in Italy yesterday.

So, here, even the most senior politicians sling mud like it's roses.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:26 pm

I'm more concerned about what happens if Romney gets elected. If Pres. Romney decides to nuke Iran, Russia could launch nukes at US in retaliation....WW3.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:31 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 28):
I'm more concerned about what happens if Romney gets elected. If Pres. Romney decides to nuke Iran, Russia could launch nukes at US in retaliation....WW3.

Yeah.... That's not gonna happen, no way. It's about as crazy as thinking the the USA is on the verge of a civil war if Pres. Obama gets reelected. Perhaps that what you were going for?

Any war with Iran would be thoroughly conventional, even if they "have" nukes. Not that a conventional war would be good either (put simply, it would be very bad for everyone).

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:20 am

We would politely request all refugees and asylum seekers please head south.

We dont have enough igloos for y'all to live in up here, our beer is a wee bit stonger than you are used to, we do not speak Spanish and we have gun control.

Oh, and its costs almost $150 to fill up your F150 in YVR.

  
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:33 am

Quoting cws818 (Reply 25):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Obama scares people in red states.

Why, specifically?

1) deficit
2) programs which take money from other programs which need it
3) tax codes
4) gun policies
5) healthcare
6) business growth
7) the general state of the economy as a whole
8) the fact that no one is necessarily hiring (we've been hovering at or around 8.4% jobless rating for the last 6 months or so)

that's why  
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:30 am

This judge (or elected official, or whatever he is...) seems a bit over-dramatic. It very well could be he doesn't sincerely believe civil war would happen, but rather he's instilling fear into the constituents so that they vote his way. Only he really knows his own motives I guess.

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 28):
If Pres. Romney decides to nuke Iran, Russia could launch nukes at US in retaliation....WW3.

Neither will happen. No nuking of Iran will take place unless there is an attack on US soil. Even if there were, Russia won't launch anything at the US to defend Iran, the current pariah of the diplomatic world.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 30):
We would politely request all refugees and asylum seekers please head south.

We dont have enough igloos for y'all to live in up here, our beer is a wee bit stonger than you are used to, we do not speak Spanish and we have gun control.

Oh, and its costs almost $150 to fill up your F150 in YVR.

  

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
1) deficit
2) programs which take money from other programs which need it
3) tax codes
4) gun policies
5) healthcare
6) business growth
7) the general state of the economy as a whole
8) the fact that no one is necessarily hiring (we've been hovering at or around 8.4% jobless rating for the last 6 months or so)


Wow. I didn't realize people in red states scare so easy! Only maybe 3 of the things on this list would give me cause for concern (regardless of political affiliation) if I lived in the US.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:28 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
1) deficit
2) programs which take money from other programs which need it
3) tax codes
4) gun policies
5) healthcare
6) business growth
7) the general state of the economy as a whole
8) the fact that no one is necessarily hiring (we've been hovering at or around 8.4% jobless rating for the last 6 months or so)

Sorry but that's the exact same as that the Ryan/Romney team! I mean really there is no real difference (except perhaps irrational fear).

That is what is so stupid and sad about this.

The Republican ticket or the Democrat ticket has plans for all the issues mentioned, each of which will create certain solutions and cause their own sets of problems and issues for people. There is no easy solution for the problems that face the nation. The ONLY thing that is true for both parties is that we will have to work together and COMPROMISE together to make things work.

Without that we are screwed.

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:46 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
1) deficit
2) programs which take money from other programs which need it
3) tax codes
4) gun policies
5) healthcare
6) business growth
7) the general state of the economy as a whole
8) the fact that no one is necessarily hiring (we've been hovering at or around 8.4% jobless rating for the last 6 months or so)

1) Ok, something that happens under every administration and exploded under Reagan, George W Bush and Obama, but something that Congress--not the President--ultimately has control over.
2) I agree he's spending too much on defense, but Romney would probably spend more. To be serious, though, what are some examples of this other than defense? What I think we can agree on is that the government should work on streamlining processes and creating efficiency within the various departments. But that is not, ultimately, within the power of any President.
3) Taxes are at the lowest levels in decades. And though they should increase, Congress won't do it. But again, this is the domain of Congress, not the President.
4) Gun policies that haven't had a deleterious effect on gun ownership and aren't curtailing rights . . . pretty much a continuation of what President Bush did. I still don't see the issue.
5) I agree that he didn't go far enough to improve our healthcare system but at least he got something done. Or are you saying that the poor should remain on the Republican healthcare system of "Just say NO to illness." Something has to be done to reduce healthcare costs. The most logical thing is to reduce the cost of prescription medications and initial doctor visits in order to get people to seek treatment before the condition is something that causes them to go to the hospital. This will help, although it is not a great remedy. But I have yet to see a Republican alternative to this that makes any sense--especially since the bill that passed was the original Republican alternative.
6) Something that even Romney said is fine recently. And Congress again has the ultimate taxing and spending power.
7) Oh, so the recession that started when Bush was in office (and was not his or any politician's fault, by the way, but the fault of the supply side policies and focus on inflation adopted by the Federal Reserve) is Obama's problem. Got it.
8) So people are hiring at least at the rate that people are being laid off or else the unemployment rate would be dropping   Although I agree with you that the unemployment rate is too high (and the true unemployment rate is nearer to 15-17%, down from close to 20% when Obama took office, from what I remember--I could be wrong on the current number), the Fed has the most control over unemployment and Congress has the next most control. The Fed can focus on one of two things in interest rates: inflation or unemployment. With a low inflation rate, the dollar stagnates or depreciates. With an inflationary rate of around 3-5%, or even a greater increase over a short time period (although that can be very dangerous to mess with), the true value of the dollar decreases and labor and products become cheaper, leading to increased exports over time. Increased exports leads to more jobs, which leads to more consumer spending, which leads to more jobs, and so on. That's obviously not an ever-extending cycle, since the cost of qualified labor increases as the unemployment rate sinks. But you get the picture. And that's controlled by the Fed, not the President.

So what you've said is that you are afraid of Obama because of things that, for the most part, the President cannot control. Sounds like a great reason to be scared of him  

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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:11 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
4) gun policies

Please elaborate on this one - I haven't noticed ANY changes in gun laws in the past four years that would cause me as a gun owner to be concerned. Or are you one of the folks who are sure that the plan all along was that all Dems conspire to wait til Obama got his second term and then go crazy? I'm sure they did because even though they had both houses of congress and the White House in 2008, it made much more sense to wait until 2013 since it was a guarateed iron-clad lock that Obama would win again four years down the road  

I for one won't be sad if Obama's gone in Jan, but gun laws are far from the top of my list of gripes with the guy
 
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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
1) deficit

OK, but this isn't exactly the first time that we have a deficit. I can only assume that you would vote for Bill Clinton....

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
2) programs which take money from other programs which need it

Well, that is certainly specific and clears up any confusion - thanks!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
4) gun policies

Have they changed since 1/20/2009? If so, how?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
5) healthcare

So you can't vote for Romney, either, then.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Seriously, Obama scares people in red states. It's not good for people to be scared like this at all, especially for a struggling economy.

I understand your passion, but your point, as you have written it, is ridiculous. One could have easily written the following in, say, 2004 or 2008:

"Seriously, Bush scares people in the blue states. It's not good for people to be scared like this at all, especially for a struggling economy."
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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:04 am

Quoting texan (Reply 34):
4) Gun policies that haven't had a deleterious effect on gun ownership and aren't curtailing rights . . . pretty much a continuation of what President Bush did. I still don't see the issue.
Quoting ER757 (Reply 35):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
4) gun policies

Please elaborate on this one - I haven't noticed ANY changes in gun laws
Quoting cws818 (Reply 36):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
4) gun policies

Have they changed since 1/20/2009? If so, how?

No, no, NO! You don't understand! You are completely missing the irrational fear part of it! It is just like Pyrex stated in his reply 20: Pres. Obama is going to pack the court with his own personal dictator choices and take away all gun owner rights and confiscate the guns once he has four more years and doesn't have to worry about reelection! And he won't have to get anything passed through the legislature or deal with the public and all the law agencior

How c an you not see that?1?!
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RE: Lubbock Judge Warns Of Civil War

Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 37):
It is just like Pyrex stated

Well, there is the problem, in a nutshell....  sarcastic 

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Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:29 am

Oiiiii you guys give me cancer -__-

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 32):
Wow. I didn't realize people in red states scare so easy! Only maybe 3 of the things on this list would give me cause for concern (regardless of political affiliation) if I lived in the US.

It's not necessarily a scare, it's just a concern for our constitutional rights  
Quoting ER757 (Reply 35):
Please elaborate on this one - I haven't noticed ANY changes in gun laws in the past four years that would cause me as a gun owner to be concerned.

Well all the rhetoric is making people want to go out and get a gun before they aren't allowed to purchase one (assuming the current guns would be allowed to exist under a grandfather clause)

Quoting cws818 (Reply 36):
OK, but this isn't exactly the first time that we have a deficit. I can only assume that you would vote for Bill Clinton....

ummmmmmmm this is the first time we've had a deficit as high as it is now. That's a pretty bad problem.

Quoting cws818 (Reply 36):
So you can't vote for Romney, either, then.

Why? It worked for Mass, and whatever he did is completely different from Obamacare. Please look it up why don'tcha  

Also he's gonna repeal Obamacare, remember? Replace it with something more responsible.
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:24 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 39):
Well all the rhetoric is making people want to go out and get a gun before they aren't allowed to purchase one

When has Obama ever shown any desire to address the issue of firearms? He's had almost four years to do it, and he's done nothing. So why are people freaking out about it?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if the gun industry isn't secretly pulling for Obama to win the election, they're nuts - he's given them so much business simply by virtue of being in office.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 39):
whatever he did is completely different from Obamacare.

Actually, they're incredibly similar. Though, admittedly, the penalty for not buying insurance associated with the mandate (which is one of the big things the GOP was up in arms about) is significantly higher under Romneycare (almost twice as much, actually). So that is one difference.

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Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:57 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
Gun dealers and manufacturers should be praying that Obama gets re-elected - his presidency has been amazing for their business.


While I would have to agree with you that Obama, (when you get down to it), has created more jobs...in the gun industry. That's a good one. Kind of a double edged sword. Tail waging the dog?...Obama is the primary reason why people feel the need to gun-up and in so doing, he created jobs!...you gotta love it.

Quoting Mir (Reply 40):
When has Obama ever shown any desire to address the issue of firearms? He's had almost four years to do it, and he's done nothing. So why are people freaking out about it?


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Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:21 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Why do you think that guns and ammo are still flying off the shelves?

Because there are a lot of ignorant people in this country who have no idea how their system of government works.
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
1) deficit

Created by Bush, getting better under Obama, residual deficit caused by overlap of Republican policies. Also, the Republicans evidently don't care at all about the deficit or they wouldn't have put up a big fake fight over raising the debt ceiling.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
2) programs which take money from other programs which need it

Such as?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
3) tax codes

Asking you to pay your taxes? Yeah, super scary

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
4) gun policies

None whatsoever?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
5) healthcare

The same as Romney's? No, that's not fair - Obama's is more conservative. Nixon also tried to introduce the same thing.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
7) the general state of the economy as a whole

Bush's fault, entirely - and the Republicans are currently advocating policies that lead to this whole mess in the first place. While Europe flat-lines and many states go back into recession, the US remains in growth.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 39):
Also he's gonna repeal Obamacare, remember? Replace it with something more responsible.


You do realise he can't do that, right?

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Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 40):
if the gun industry isn't secretly pulling for Obama to win the election, they're nuts - he's given them so much business simply by virtue of being in office.

Kind of makes me wonder if thy aren't the ones who started the fear-mongering about gun laws in the first place......

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 39):
Well all the rhetoric is making people want to go out and get a gun before they aren't allowed to purchase one (assuming the current guns would be allowed to exist under a grandfather clause)

Which is crazy - there is not one shred of evidence that gun laws are going to change if Obama's re-elected. In fact, it would be nearly impossible since even if he wanted to completely overhaul the current laws, the dems won't have control of both houses of congress so how's the law going to pass? And let's play devil's advocate here for just a second and say sweeping changes did pass - you seriously think the government is going to go house to house and collect the existing guns? C'mon - get real. It's a moot point anyway IMO as I think Romney's going to win.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:02 am

Oh yeah, seeing this kind of statements from republicans makes me seriously wonder condition of US education system in at least these certain states...

I hope Obama will get re-elected, at least from foreign viewpoint he is probably the first US president in ages to try rise US reputation by being democratic and fair instead of just starting another war every few years.
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 42):
Because there are a lot of ignorant people in this country who have no idea how their system of government works

Yeah, I'm a manager of a gunshop/range and you'd be surprised at all the people that start with "I heard that Obama was going to pass a law...".

Quoting ER757 (Reply 44):
Kind of makes me wonder if thy aren't the ones who started the fear-mongering about gun laws in the first place......

Mainly the NRA. Every three months they send out an appeal proclaiming that it's the "biggest crisis that we've ever had".
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:13 am

Oiiiiiii -_- again!

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 43):
Created by Bush, getting better under Obama,

Nooooo not at all. It skyrocketed over Obama (are you serious here? honestly! Pick up a paper will ya?)

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 43):
Such as?

Medicare (Obamacare drained Medicare to pay for it's own mandate)

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 43):
Asking you to pay your taxes? Yeah, super scary

The expiration of the bush tax codes (it's not a "cut," it's a code.)

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 43):
Bush's fault, entirely

Again, no. Created by long-term issues, exasperated under Obama (once again, are you f****** kidding me here?    )
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:10 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 47):
(Obamacare drained Medicare to pay for it's own mandate)

Ryan's budget cuts the exact same amount of money.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 47):
The expiration of the bush tax codes (it's not a "cut," it's a code.)

Unless you're making over $250k, blame Congress for this one - Obama has tried to get Congress to extend those cuts, but they haven't taken up the issue, and probably won't until after the election.

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Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 48):
Unless you're making over $250k, blame Congress for this one - Obama has tried to get Congress to extend those cuts, but they haven't taken up the issue, and probably won't until after the election.

I'm pretty certain Obama wants the upper middle to pay more in taxes. A quick search will show you that these people are the primary job creators. Bad idea in a straggling economy.
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