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WW2 Bomb Will Go Off In The Middle Of Munich Soon

Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:25 pm

Another month, another bomb.

This time the WWII bomb was located in the middle of Munich, Munich Schwabing - a nice residential and nightlife district.
I myself must have walked a couple of yards past the bomb more than only once (slight understatement). It is a chilling feeling: the bomb sits only one meter (3 ft) deep, weights 500 lb / 250 kg and the chemical fuze "looks brand new and will definitely go off if you move it" the spokesperson of the bomb squad says. They can't even move it.

3,000 people have been evacuated since yesterday evening, some 10,000 sand bags and I-don't-know-how-many bales of straw are supposed to protect the nearby houses when they the blow that thing up.
It is only a matter of hours ....

Some pictures:
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/bo...lindgaenger-fotostrecke-86715.html
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RE: WW2 Bomb Will Go Off In The Middle Of Munich Soon

Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:33 pm

Looks like they found it while doing some digging. How would you like to be the jackhammer operator who discovered it?

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Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:38 pm

That's right, Dreadnought.

Okay, the bomb went off, one house or some houses are burning, reports say. Damn!

Edit:
Looks like four houses are burning. In hindsight it was a bad idea to bring all that straw ...

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Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 2):
That's right, Dreadnought.

Okay, the bomb went off, one house or some houses are burning, reports say. Damn!

Edit:
Looks like four houses are burning. In hindsight it was a bad idea to bring all that straw ...

A little interesting you hear about finding an old bomb in Germany fairly often, but I can't ever remember hearing about them found in Japan. That said, they did the right thing and didn't try and move it. Maybe next time they will use wet straw instead of dry straw.
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:19 pm

Maybe they thought the straw was wet, because it had been raining for hours. But it seems that something with the "controlled explosion" went entirely wrong.

Nice (if you can put it this way) video here:
http://vimeo.com/48399328
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 3):
A little interesting you hear about finding an old bomb in Germany fairly often, but I can't ever remember hearing about them found in Japan.

That's becasue the weapon of choice in bombing Japanese cities was incendiaries .

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Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:29 pm

Did they find a British tall boy found near somewhere on the Rhine recently?
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 6):
Did they find a British tall boy found near somewhere on the Rhine recently?

Yes, some months ago. It was near Koblenz in the Rhine, but it was a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbuster_bomb , not a Tall Boy. The bomb was successfully defused.



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Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:21 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 4):
Nice (if you can put it this way) video here:

My god. It's utterly unfathomable to think that in the heat of WW2, you could have dozens of those going off every night, if not every hour.

For someone like me who hasn't lived through a war in my own country, it's just amazing.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:30 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 8):
My god. It's utterly unfathomable to think that in the heat of WW2, you could have dozens of those going off every night, if not every hour.

You mean thousands. Each B-17 would carry a dozen of them.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:27 am

Four houses on fire, good job it wasn't a British 4000lb "blockbuster"
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:34 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 8):
For someone like me who hasn't lived through a war in my own country, it's just amazing.

Still hundreds and hundreds of bombs are still found today. As somebody coming from Switzerland, alone seeing the cities of Nuremberg and Mannheim where post-1945 buildings predominate makes me sober.


Some impressions from Munich: http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeit...schehen/2012-08/bg-bombe-muenchen1


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Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:07 pm

Seems to be WWII Bomb Week. We had two discovered in The Netherlands just in the last week (Schiphol, Nijverdal).
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:47 pm

Good thing is, there are many aerial shots available from British and American sources, so bombs can be systematically searched for. In my street in Hamburg we had two bombs defused this year.

Usually it is no big deal, however this bomb had a very dangerous long term fuse.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:18 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 13):
Good thing is, there are many aerial shots available from British and American sources, so bombs can be systematically searched for. In my street in Hamburg we had two bombs defused this year.

Statistics show that for much of the early part of the War the RAF hadn't a clue where the bombs were dropping, apart from the conclusion that they were ending up nowhere near the target. Crews routinely reported which towns and cities thyeehad bombed, but what firm eveidence there was showed that the Countryside was the main recipient.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 14):
Statistics show that for much of the early part of the War the RAF hadn't a clue where the bombs were dropping, apart from the conclusion that they were ending up nowhere near the target.

And then many bombs were dropped in emergencies. Tourists visiting the Baltic Sea are sometimes warned not to pick up what appears to be amber. It could be white phosphorus leaking out of shells sitting on the bottom of the sea. There are naval vessels clearing the Baltic Sea (as well as the North Sea), but they simply aren't fast enough.
Some people picked up the "amber", and as soon as the phosphorus was dry it started burning causing severe burns. White phosphorus, as you probably know, is self-incendiary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09oBuk0L-rE&feature=youtu.be&t=2m10s

Back to Munich: Reports say analysts had to check the structures of the adjacent houses, 17 of which are damaged so much or covered with so much dirt (inside - the windows shattered) that residents cannot go back in.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
That's becasue the weapon of choice in bombing Japanese cities was incendiaries .

I researched this a little more last night. Okinawa seems to have a really big problem with unexploded ordinance from WW2. They find bombs and artillery shells almost weekly. There was a story I found where construction workers on a road expansion project found a total of 902 unexploded bombs under a restaurant.

There are other articles about unexploded high explosive bombs being found around Tokyo and Osaka but much less frequently. Remember that the US and British navies also did tactical bombing in harbors, I wouldn't be surprised if there are unexploded bombs in Japanese harbors.

Either way, in Munich it sounds like the authorities in Munich did the right thing, even with the damage to surrounding structures.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 16):
I researched this a little more last night. Okinawa seems to have a really big problem with unexploded ordinance from WW2. They find bombs and artillery shells almost weekly. There was a story I found where construction workers on a road expansion project found a total of 902 unexploded bombs under a restaurant.

Okinawa had some of the most intense fighting of the war so I'm not surprised they find stuff there.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:15 pm

Manila also has a problem with unexploded WW2 ordnance from the Battle of Manila in 1945. On the forme fortress island of Corregidor (which used to guard, together with three other, smaller, islands the entrance of Manila Bay) there are still tunnels under the hills which are full of the remains of dead Japanese soldiers and explosives. When the American troops recaptured the island in 1945 many Japanese soldiers blew the tunnels, in which they were hiding, up to prevent capture. These tunnels have only been partially excavated.

The neighbouring Carabao Island is still off limits because it is contaminated with unexploded bombs and shells. A small detachment of the Filipino Navy on this island will open fire at anyone unauthorised coming close to the island

As for the bomb in Munich, it had a chemically operated longtime delay fuze. It was supposed to explode hours or days after the bomb attack to disturb recovery and rebuilding operations. While the British equivalent could still be made safe using some tricks, the American variant (as in this case) is practically boobytrapped. Any attempt to remove it will set it off.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
Manila also has a problem with unexploded WW2 ordnance from the Battle of Manila in 1945. On the forme fortress island of Corregidor (which used to guard, together with three other, smaller, islands the entrance of Manila Bay) there are still tunnels under the hills which are full of the remains of dead Japanese soldiers and explosives. When the American troops recaptured the island in 1945 many Japanese soldiers blew the tunnels, in which they were hiding, up to prevent capture. These tunnels have only been partially excavated.

When I was looking into this last night I ran into this study on WWII unexploded ordnance on four pacific island countries: Kiribati, Palau, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands.

http://www.forumsec.org.fj/resources...achments/documents/UXO%20final.pdf

I had always known WWII ordnance was a problem in modern day Europe but I hadn't thought much about places like the Philippines and the island battlefields of the Pacific.

Even if you don't read the study, there's a lot of interesting photos of what they find: unexploded mortar rounds, grenades, naval artillery shells, bombs, cases of machine gun rounds, etc. You'd think the battlefields of Europe are probably littered with the same stuff. Especially around the WW1 battlefields.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 19):
Especially around the WW1 battlefields.

A few years ago Belgium was the country with the highest amount of WDMs. It was all the WW1 gas shells, which the farmers in Flanders regularly plough to the surface.
The farmers just stack the shells on the sides of their fields and once a week an Army truck will come and pick them up.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 20):
The farmers just stack the shells on the sides of their fields and once a week an Army truck will come and pick them up.

So how often does any of this ordinance explode? I read last night that a few years ago a tractor driver on Okinawa got blinded because he dug up an unexploded shell that...exploded. And, NoUFO says sometimes WP is unintentionally ignited by tourists.

I think the takeaway is that this stuff is nearly everywhere a battle has been fought.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 21):
And, NoUFO says sometimes WP is unintentionally ignited by tourists.

The WP is one of the lesser problems there. Big areas of the Baltic and North sea have been used to dump unneeded chemical shells and bombs after WW2. Now they corrode and the contents (mainly mustard gas, which in fact has a consistency from oily liquid to rubber-like gel) is being washed to the shores. This stuff gives nasty burns, which take a long time to heal.

As for the Belgian shells, I haven´t heard of accidents. Apparently the farmers are pretty good in identifying old ordnance and can distinguish those which are safe to handle and those which need to be blown up in situ.


BTW, Northern Africa (Western Egypt, Libya and parts of Tunesia) are contaminated with minefields from WW2. In the desert climate they stay live forever.

Korea is AFAIK prettty much contaminated as well.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:57 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 22):
As for the Belgian shells, I haven´t heard of accidents. Apparently the farmers are pretty good in identifying old ordnance and can distinguish those which are safe to handle and those which need to be blown up in situ.

The Dutch have been dealing with unexploded mines in the North sea for some time now.

Only a few years back, 3 fishermen were killed on a trawler when they snagged one in the nets, it exploded on deck killing all on board.

Here is a video of the Royal Dutch Navy, blowing some old ordinances up.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 23):
The Dutch have been dealing with unexploded mines in the North sea for some time now.

Aren't most of the WW1 mines contact mines? As the cables keeping them below the sea surface rust they get free and float to the surface. Then any ship that comes by and hits one could blow up.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 24):
Aren't most of the WW1 mines contact mines?

Not sure exactly, but i'd imagine that most of the WW1 mines have rusted and floated free by now, but I may be wrong.

Seems as though most of the trouble is from WW11 devices.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:36 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 16):
Okinawa
Quoting LMP737 (Reply 17):
Okinawa

Okinawa was a conventional battle, no strategic bombing like on mainland Japan. So, very few incendiary bombs were used.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 22):
As for the Belgian shells, I haven´t heard of accidents. Apparently the farmers are pretty good in identifying old ordnance and can distinguish those which are safe to handle and those which need to be blown up in situ.

Different times, different breeds of people... the father of a good friend told me that what needed to be blown up by specialists was collected by the farmers in holes, and when it was full, they called the EOD personnel... and some types of ordnance was used by that father himself to have some fun.


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Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:02 am

Happens rarely that ordnance explodes accidentaly. Last I can remember was a couple of years ago on an Autobahn contructions site near aschaffenburgt, when a backhoe accidentaly touched too hard.

The driver of that backhoe was killed IIRC.

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 14):
Statistics show that for much of the early part of the War the RAF hadn't a clue where the bombs were dropping, apart

There must have been a learning curve. One of my first memories from the early 50s, I think it was 1950 or 51 was when my parents took me to Cologne. The engraved impression is that just about everything was partly destroyed except the Cathedral which had suffered minor damages.

That was quite an achievement considering that the central station is right opposite and was a prime target.

Having lived in Wilhemshaven, still today a major naval port, I know that the RAF did their job with reconnaissance flights before and after bombings. That helped a lot finding unexploded ordnance after the war.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 26):
Okinawa was a conventional battle, no strategic bombing like on mainland Japan. So, very few incendiary bombs were used.

Yes I know incendiaries were not the weapon of choice there. Lots of 250-500l pounders and anywhere from 5in-16inch naval gunfire support.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:33 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 27):
Having lived in Wilhemshaven, still today a major naval port, I know that the RAF did their job with reconnaissance flights before and after bombings. That helped a lot finding unexploded ordnance after the war.

How are they able to find unexploded ordinance using reconnaissance photos? There was a B-17 strike on Schweinfurt in '43 that had 230 aircraft. On a long range mission each one of those aircraft could carry 9 or 10 500 lb bombs.

So, around 2,300 bombs were dropped on just that one mission. I guess I'm trying to figure out how they find unexploded ordinance in a photo with 2,300 craters all over the place.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:50 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 29):
How are they able to find unexploded ordinance using reconnaissance photos?

Unexploded ordnance creates much smaller craters - in which it is buried.
Trouble is, a bomb won't follow a linear path under the surface of the groud but might zigzag its way down depending on what it hits on the way. Particularly when other bombs detonate nearby, be it the same night or later, changes are that enough dirt is moved so you won't see anything of the dud.
But there might still be the aerial pictures showing some small craters. It is said that approximately 1 bomb in 8 did not explode.

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:33 pm

There are experts in all fields, as noUFO explained, unexploded ordnance has a much smaller crater. Since the RAF took pictures before and after the raid these pictures helped in finding unexploded bombs.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 31):
Quoting NoUFO (Reply 30):

Fascinating information. Thanks for sharing.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 27):

There must have been a learning curve. One of my first memories from the early 50s, I think it was 1950 or 51 was when my parents took me to Cologne. The engraved impression is that just about everything was partly destroyed except the Cathedral which had suffered minor damages.

It's amazing just how many times Cologne was bombed during WWII. Mostly it was the RAF but the US sent two missions there. If the number of raids listed on wiki is to be believed I just couldn't imagine living there (or many other German cities) during the early 40s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Cologne_in_World_War_II
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 32):
If the number of raids listed on wiki is to be believed I just couldn't imagine living there (or many other German cities) during the early 40s.

Unimaginable, isn't it? The bombing of German cities was unrelenting in comparison with what most UK cities had to endure (perhaps with the exception of London, Liverpool, Hull and Plymouth, which were hit successively).

Most Britons and Germans of my age (40 ish!) grew up with stories of aerial bombings, V1 flying bombs and I still find it hard to believe this happened right above my house. Up until the late 70s, the local air raid siren would still occasionally go off, and I remember as a child a feeling of dread and near terror when it did.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:25 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 33):
and I remember as a child a feeling of dread and near terror when it did.

So do I. The school building looked evil to me for the mere fact there was a mushroom shaped siren on top of the roof.
After the wall fell, most of them were dismantled, test alarms became unnecessary, and I was hoping to never ever hearing a siren again. Then I spent a night in a small town here in southern Bavaria (smaller than Bad Toelz, my new hometown), I was standing on the balcony sipping my bedtime coffee when a siren went of. I nearly dropped my cup, froze and then actually needed to sit down for a moment. (It was just the fire brigade "calling" for volunteers who didn't answer their phones).

Some older people told me that they still think of falling bombs when they hear a tram squeaking around a bend. They have my sympathies, really. When sirens can nearly traumatize me, what would bomb raids do?
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:49 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 34):
When sirens can nearly traumatize me, what would bomb raids do?

When you look at the "luxury problems" people have today it is hard to imagine what people had to endure in these days. My mother lived in a small city between Duesseldorf and Cologne and had to use the train to reach office in Duesseldorf. There where air raids on the trains as well. The engineer had to stop the train, whistle a signal and the passngers had to jump out and duck underneath the train. Plus the air raids that came in regularly over the day, targeting the arms factory DEMAG.

It's a long way from THEN to TODAY when the onlookers of a controlled detonation comment the experience like it is a normal fire work.
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:20 am

Interestingly enough, tonight there was a documentary on about Japanese naval history during WWII. At the end of the war, the US didn't disband the Japanese Navy, they used them to do minesweeping in and around the Japanese home waters. They did it so well that up until 1952 they swept mines in and around Japan and Korea, until they lost a ship from a Soviet mine.
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:27 am

All of this talk about unexploded ordinance reminded me of an incident that happened when I was in the Navy, about 1953; the ship I was on, the U.S.S. Bushnell, AS-15 ( a submarine tender ), was based in Key West, Fla; we were underway from Key West to Boston, where we were to go into dry dock for several months. On the way up to Boston, we had to make port at Norfolk, Va. to off-load all of our 5 inch rounds, and all of our torpedo war heads; being a sub tender, we carried a couple of hundred war heads for the boats that were based out of Key West;

To offload the explosives, we had to anchor out quite a way from the Naval Base, and a small tug brought a "lighter" (or small barge) and we had it tied off against the ship, just below the mess hall; there was a small I-beam trolley which was attached to the overhead in the mess hall, which led to each of two big cargo doors in the side of the ship; an extension I-beam was rigged from the overhead trolley, and extended maybe 15 feet out through the cargo doors, and was app 15 to 20 feet above the deck of the barge tied alongside; war heads are 22 inches in diameter, and app 5 feet tall, and have a two inch opening in the pointed nose, where a lifting shackle is attached. When the warheads were hoisted up from the magazine , (about two decks beneath the mess hall, they attached each one to the wheeled trolley with a short 4 ft cable sling, and two men would push each warhead through the mess hall, hanging "nose up", over to the cargo door, and out the door about 8 or 10 feet, where it was maybe 15 to 20 feet above the waiting ammunition barge; then they were slowly lowered to the deck of the barge, where they were "stowed: up-right. Each war head contains about 2,000 lbs of TNT; being a ship fitter, I didn't have any work to do, so a few of us were standing around by the rail on the main deck, directly above the cargo door where the warheads were coming out; I remember there were already maybe a hundred or so warheads standing stacked tightly together on the barge, (each with 2,000 of TNT), and the thought crossed my mind..........."what if" that dinky looking cable was to break while one of the warheads was still "dangling" 20 feet in the air, then blew up when it hit the deck below ? Again, not having any knowledge of how warheads work, I was still pretty certain that if one of them blew up, it would certainly cause all of them to blow, and I'm guessing that if 100 (or more) warheads all stacked tightly together blew up, it would undoubtedly blow our 19,000 ton ship "to kingdom come", (and me with it).

When you're watching something like this, with nothing to do but "spectate", you can't help but think about things like this !
About this time another warhead came out the trolley from the mess hall, is positioned above the barge, ready to start being lowered,...............and SNAP ! The damned cable broke, and 2,000 lbs of TNT is now free falling, 20 feet to the steel deck below ! It's a funny thing..........have you ever been so "terrified" that time "stands still" ? Apparently I was, because it seemed like it took that warhead about 5 minutes to free-fall 20 feet............and when it finally hit the deck, (almost on top of a guy standing below it ), it made about as much noise as you'd expect 2,000 lbs of "anything" to make, ( more like a big , dull "thud" ) and fell over on it's side..........and just laid there ! It was one of the three worst "scares" I had in 4 years of active duty !' Ever since then, anytime I see people messing around with explosives, I go somewhere else..........(about 10 miles away)

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RE: WW2 Bomb Will Go Off In The Middle Of Munich Soon

Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 33):
Unimaginable, isn't it? The bombing of German cities was unrelenting in comparison with what most UK cities had to endure (perhaps with the exception of London, Liverpool, Hull and Plymouth, which were hit successively).

Have to hand it to the Nazis: they were persistent if nothing else.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 35):
My mother lived in a small city between Duesseldorf and Cologne and had to use the train to reach office in Duesseldorf. There where air raids on the trains as well.

Before WWII, the USA also had an extensive passenger rail network. My father, who fought in WWII, traveled from Michigan to San Diego for deployment by train.

It is said that Eisenhower insisted on a national highway system, rather than rail, because he knew that tanks and heavy trucks would be much more likely to be able to bypass a bombed-out highway than a train would be able to bypass a bombed-out rail line. Of course, bridges and tunnels are still vulnerable, but there isn't much that can be done about that.
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RE: WW2 Bomb Will Go Off In The Middle Of Munich Soon

Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:00 pm

I found it interesting how sirens affect some of you, for a particular reason: the sirens in my hometown were, and still are, tested on every first Saturday of the month just after noon. Their purpose is, as described by NoUFO, to alert off-duty volunteer firefighters and call them to the station for something that the on-duty firefighters might not be able to handle.
So in my childhood, the sirens always meant that people were coming (or rather, going) somewhere to help, not to bomb it.

I suppose that they could and would have been used fairly quickly if the Cold War had ever turned really hot... we were pretty close to the intra-German border and might have been overrun by the Red Army within hours.

[Edited 2012-09-05 11:01:33]
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RE: WW2 Bomb Will Go Off In The Middle Of Munich Soon

Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 39):
we were pretty close to the intra-German border and might have been overrun by the Red Army within hours.

Well didn't some Pentagon / Central Command / Whatever paper say Germans had a life-expectancy of 72 hours should the cold war turn hot?

By the way: In Munich, according to insurers, the damage amounts to approximately € 4 million. That must be slighly more than the damage visitors of the Vomitfest Oktoberfest do to the city every year.
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RE: WW2 Bomb Will Go Off In The Middle Of Munich Soon

Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:27 am

It took a while, but last year we finally managed to clear the last of the mine fields left by the Germans after WW2. Approximately 72,000 mines were laid out as part of the Atlantic Wall and according to experts, around 5,000 remained in 2009.

Now we just have to get rid of the damn sea mines as well.
 
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RE: WW2 Bomb Will Go Off In The Middle Of Munich Soon

Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:09 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 40):
By the way: In Munich, according to insurers, the damage amounts to approximately € 4 million. That must be slighly more than the damage visitors of the Vomitfest Oktoberfest do to the city every year.

That's petty cash compared to the economic impact of the Oktoberfest which is about 1 Billion €
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