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Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:38 am

Should Obama be reelected? My answer is NO! Why? Because he is a HORRIBLE president and he didn't keep his promises.
What do you think? And why?

[Edited 2012-09-07 23:43:53]
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:42 am

He should NOT be re-elected!
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:48 am

Quite an aimless thread, given the bipartisanship of US politics. It is really just a question of "Are you a Republican or a Democrat"

A much more interesting question is whether anyone is changing from being a Democrat voter to a Republican as a result of Obama's presidency.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:57 am

Resoundingly YES. I could never vote for a president who has a horrible view on social issues such as women's rights, gay rights, and helping those in need. Mitt and Co just do not understand the average person in this country.


lol I probably wont return to this thread, I've stopped eating popcorn and I'd need a lot for this one.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:01 am

I don't think he should. I don't think he's done much to advance the economy of the country- I certainly haven't felt anything personally or seen much improvement in my community.

However, I don't think Romney is the answer either, and that's what's so difficult about all this. I definitely won't be voting for Obama, and I would not vote for Romney if the election were tomorrow. Its looking like I'll make a token vote to the Libertarian party, which I belong to.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:15 am

Should Obama Be Reelected?

No, absolutely not. Quoting James Carville, "It's the Economy, stupid." And President Obama has done a disastrous job in handling it.

In thinking of the Obama Administration, I'm reminded of this quote from "The West Wing" where Republican attorney Ainsley Hayes is explaining why she would not choose to work for the Democratic Bartlet Adminstration:

"Gosh, let's see if there could possibly be any other reason why I wouldn't want to work in this White House? This White House that feels that government is better for children than parents are. That looks at forty years of degrading and humiliating free lunches handed out in a spectacularly failed effort to level the playing field and says, 'Let's try forty more.' This White House that says of anyone that points that out to them, that they are cold and mean and racist, and then accuses Republicans of using the politics of fear. This White House that loves the Bill of Rights, all of them - except the second one."

Sounds an awful lot like our current Administration, doesn't it?
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:16 am

havne't left yet, lol.

but people seem to forget there were two crashes under republican reign. The 2001-2 period under Bush, and the 2008-09 period under Bush. I was a victim under both of those. Geez I so remember the Clinton nineties and especially 2000 when the $ was at such a high.

There is nothing anybody on here could say that would convince me Obama could have cleaned up 8 years of Republican ruin in that time. His first year alone he saw the economy crumble all around him. I so remember early 2009 and wonderingn what the he@@ was going on in the world.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:27 am

Obama being reelected will only mean our dollar will appreciate even more, so as a travel and gadget loving foreigner. Vote 1 Obama!!1!

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 6):
Obama could have cleaned up 8 years of Republican ruin in that time.
Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 6):
2001-2 period under Bush,

Can you not see your fantastic inconsistency? 2001-2002 was Bush's fault and yet 2009-2012 is...still Bush's fault? Lefty logic...
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:27 am

President Obama didn't think he should be re-elected:

"And a year from now I think people are going to see that we're starting to make some progress, but there's still going to be some pain out there. If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...09_i_will_be_held_accountable.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6agoHtqu7lg

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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:34 am

Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):

Should Obama be reelected? My answer is NO! Why? Because he is a HORRIBLE president and he didn't keep his promises.
What do you think? And why?

Pointless thread. You're not actually pointing to any specific issues or even real reasons why you think he is horrible.

Furthermore, the whole premise is nonsense. As far as the election is concerned, it's not about saying "Choice A sucks, so I can't choose that." It's more a question of "Are we better off with sucky Choice A or steaming pile of crap B?"
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:53 am

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 9):
As far as the election is concerned, it's not about saying "Choice A sucks, so I can't choose that." It's more a question of "Are we better off with sucky Choice A or steaming pile of crap B?"

Well, how does the saying go about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?  

Seeing how the last 4 years haven't worked, saying, "Let's try four more," seems a bit insane to me.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:07 am

Yes

* Neither Romney or Ryan has alot of foreign policy experience, wich for a country like the USA who is so very much involved around the world, is essential to have..

* Anyone who thinks that the economic problems of the USA will be over by getting a new president is naiv as hell. Just like the ones who thought that Obama was actually gonna clear up the economic mess, the foreign policy and relations mess, the war mess after Bush in only one term were naiv. The economic problems of the United States are so grave, that it will take several terms, possibly several presidents, a congress that cooperates and understand the importance of putting their country in front and ahead of their personal and local community and business agendas and a patient American people.

* The US needs stability in it's leadership in order to solve the problems that it face. Changing president now is not gonna help.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:10 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):

Well, how does the saying go about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?  

Read the the first part of what I wrote. You're not even expecting to have a real discussion and would rather blather on with vague, petty nonsense.

Can we actually being to discuss issue rather than reading off bumper stickers?
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:11 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
* Neither Romney or Ryan has alot of foreign policy experience, wich for a country like the USA who is so very much involved around the world, is essential to have..

Obama had none when he was elected; your point?

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
Anyone who thinks that the economic problems of the USA will be over by getting a new president is naiv as hell.

Is that so?

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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:21 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
Obama had none when he was elected; your point?

He had a vice president with that capability

[Edited 2012-09-08 01:32:11]
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:23 am

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 12):
You're not even expecting to have a real discussion and would rather blather on with vague, petty nonsense.

How was what I said vague or petty?

You've opined that both are lousy choices. Fair enough, that's your opinion - however, my point is that we already know one of these lousy choices SIMPLY DID NOT WORK.

Therefore, he's no longer a lousy choice - he's a "can't-be-a-choice."

Say your car battery dies, and you happen to find one on the side of the road. Sure, that one you found may not work, but if you can only try one, you have to try it because you know the other one doesn't work at all.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:42 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 5):
Sounds an awful lot like our current Administration, doesn't it?

Not really. First of all, when it comes to Aaron Sorkin the only way you know someone is a Repbulican is if they are either a) explicitly stated to be such and rarely do or say anything to that end or b) are a raging blowhard or a-hole.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 5):
This White House that feels that government is better for children than parents are.

With some parents that's the case. Education and law enforcement are necessary government activities.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 5):
This White House that loves the Bill of Rights, all of them - except the second one."

Obama has actually done basically nothing to restrict access to firearms. Why the right wing thinks he's coming to take their guns away is beyond me, seeing as the Brady Campaign has seen fit to give him an F on their report card. People keep insisting that Obama is hell bent on disarming Americans, but there's just nothing to indicate that to be the case.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 6):
but people seem to forget there were two crashes under republican reign.

The time in between wasn't so bad, although some of it was a bubble.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 6):
The 2001-2 period under Bush,

9/11 had something to do with that. And for what it's worth, the tech bubble was built up and began to burst under Clinton, not unlike the housing bubble and Bush.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 6):
Geez I so remember the Clinton nineties and especially 2000 when the $ was at such a high.

The meteoric rise of the internet (and the bubble on top of it) isn't really something that you can really pin on the president.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
* Neither Romney or Ryan has alot of foreign policy experience, wich for a country like the USA who is so very much involved around the world, is essential to have..

People leveled the same criticism at Obama in 2008. Clinton did not have much foreign policy experience either.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:45 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 14):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):Obama had none when he was elected; your point?
He had a vice president with that capability

While Biden has been in the Senate forever, he was Chair of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations for just two years. That's it. Then-Senator Obama didn't even serve one term in the Senate.

Romney was Governor of Massachusetts for four years, was a corporate CEO and the CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympics. Ryan has been in the House since 1999.

I'd say in the area of foreign policy experience, Romney and Ryan are on-par with the credentials of Obama/Biden in 2008.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:01 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
I'd say in the area of foreign policy experience, Romney and Ryan are on-par with the credentials of Obama/Biden in 2008.

Perhaps back in 2008, but today in 2012 ?
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:51 am

So is there anyone here who voted for him 4 years ago, but won't this time?
That would be interesting to know. I suspect that these avid nay sayers on here where barking up exactly the same tree
four years ago.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:02 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 2):

A much more interesting question is whether anyone is changing from being a Democrat voter to a Republican as a result of Obama's presidency.

Superfly is the only one I know of, though I'm sure there are more. And while this has happened, for each of him, there is one of me, who has gone the other direction, as a result of the sheer lunacy of the tea party and the GOP's endorsement and adoption of their extremist ideals. I really didn't have a problem with the likes of Regan or Bush I. But I doubt either of those two would run as GOP members today.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 3):
Mitt and Co just do not understand the average person in this country.

Correct.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 7):

Can you not see your fantastic inconsistency? 2001-2002 was Bush's fault and yet 2009-2012 is...still Bush's fault? Lefty logic...

Or it was really just that bad. We don't often see damage that bad, I admit. I didn't vote for Obama in 2008, but the shear unrepentant nature of the GOP for the harm they've caused last decade, and are now attempting again (since 2010) has more or less terminated their legitimacy here. The issue isn't that Obama hasn't done a "good enough" job solving these problems since 2008, it's that the GOP still insists that there are no problems for middle class americans in the first place.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 18):

Perhaps back in 2008, but today in 2012 ?

Yeah, I think they're fine here. Not only that, but their obviously much faster learners than the GOP choices are. The Obama administration has spent the last term mending fences and building alliances the GOP contenders would not have attempted. In fact, these folks call activities like that "weak" or "unamurrikan." Really shows what we're having to deal with here...
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:34 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 18):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):I'd say in the area of foreign policy experience, Romney and Ryan are on-par with the credentials of Obama/Biden in 2008.
Perhaps back in 2008, but today in 2012 ?

Nice try; re-read what you wrote:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 14):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):Obama had none when he was elected; your point?
He had a vice president with that capability

In other words, we were talking solely about the candidates' electability from a foreign policy perspective, and you implied that Obama was fine in foreign policy in 2008 because of Biden's presence. If that duo was acceptable from a foreign policy perspective then, Romney/Ryan would be equally as acceptable from a foreign policy perspective today.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:36 am

Statements like "We should not worry about how much money we have but how much we help our community".

and

"There is no connection between financial wealth and success, It's how you help others that count"

scare me. They come across to me as socialistic.

And even though the pundits say it is going to be a very close race, Michelle Obama has said that there is no chance at all that they will lose. Barrack Obama WILL be reelected!


Obamacare? Ha!

And I saw a report on the news that said Obama has only performed 35% of his 2008 campaign promises. Promise them everything give them little seems to be the order of the day!

And I still want to know how he could afford to go to Columbia and Harvard just after making $12,000 per year working in Chicago as a housing and community activist!

No vote for Obama, The Manchurian Candidate here.

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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:47 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 22):

And I saw a report on the news that said Obama has only performed 35% of his 2008 campaign promises. Promise them everything give them little seems to be the order of the day!

Just out of curiosity, do we have similar numbers for other presidents? This is relevant as it would benchmark what should be expected here.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 22):

And I still want to know how he could afford to go to Columbia and Harvard just after making $12,000 per year working in Chicago as a housing and community activist!

And this implies what exactly? Are you saying he had a good deal of scholarships? Or maybe that he was somehow exempted from his Student Loan obligations? What is this supposed to be getting at?
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:05 am

In answer to the thread, my answer would be "yes", because I don't trust Romney/Ryan (Ryaney?) on social issues; four years of more Republican rule would only serve to copperfasten social divisions - more wealth concentrated in the top 1-5% and the rest of the population be damned. And God only knows how they'd stuff up foreign policy. I still have a strong suspicion that Romney's meeting with Netanyahu may have committed him to support an Israeli attack on Iran; basically, Romney will sub-contract US Middle East policy to the Neocons and the Israelis, with someone like Bolton as Secretary of State. Yeah, that's going to end well ...

Has Obama been a disappointment? Some might argue that, BUT given the mess left by THE MOST disastrous US government in history, in almost every possible way, it was always going to be a tall order to repair the damage in a four year period.

There is a bigger worry here, however. It's like Responsible Adult and Irresponsible Adult. Irresponsible Adult (guess which party) plays fast and loose with the country's finances, taxation system and foreign policy, leaving an appalling mess behind. Responsible Adult comes, finds an awful mess, tries to tidy it, but gets derided and mocked, ironically by Irresponsible Adult (among others) for not cleaning up the mess left behind, and then, Irresponsible Adult could (potentially) get back in, make an even bigger mess, and so you had a downward spiral; this is what I fear is happening at the moment. Obama is acting as Responsible Adult and no-one really likes to be told to tidy up after a wild party, but someone has to do it. There is nothing about Ryaney that suggests that they will be any better than Bush, so the warning lights are there. The fact that they will decrease taxes for the rich, abolish Obamacare and continue an essentially neocon foreign policy must ring some alarm bells. Hopefully, there will be enough to stop them getting in.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:16 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
Well, how does the saying go about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

The relevant saying is: The grass isn't greener on the other side.

The Republican marketing machine keeps repeating: Are you better today than you were when Obama took office. The smart voter ignore that question and instead ask: Is the nation better today with Obama than it would be with a Republican president?

For reference you may consider: Was the nation better after 8 years of Bush?
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:05 pm

[quote=Mortyman,reply=11]* Neither Romney or Ryan has alot of foreign policy experience, wich for a country like the USA who is so very much involved around the world, is essential to have..
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The secretary of state makes the difference on that point plus the staff they hire. Having little own experience is not such a tragedy as long as you have brilliant people around you telling you what you should decide. The US President has, of course, a major word in the clubs that run the show in the world, like ASEAN NATO G20 etc. but others have too. I mean, has anyone ever seen Mrs Merkel wearing skirts? .

Domestic politics is what the people feel much more direct than foreign policy and concerning the economy, the US may soon , well, in a couple of years reach the point where labor in the some areas of the US is cheaper than in the big centres of China. That is something the economic advisors should watch closely and make the right decisions ahead.

To answer the question, 4 years ago I said YES to Obama, but 50% of that choice was because of Sarah Palin and 10% because McCain was too old already then.

I stay with that vote and this time it is 10% because Romney does not drink coffee or tea, 40 % because he does not drink alcohol and 10% because he has no humor. That may sound silly but I have a strong feeling against people who obey rules that ake no sense, sorry to say that. They can do that , whatever they like, but they should not run a country.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 9):
Furthermore, the whole premise is nonsense. As far as the election is concerned, it's not about saying "Choice A sucks, so I can't choose that." It's more a question of "Are we better off with sucky Choice A or steaming pile of crap B?"

You know, people often say that, "we have to choose the lesser of two evils" etc. I totally disagree with that. Look at the coming election. US citizens really have a brilliant choice. They can choose either a successful business man with a good management track record, great people skills, who has in the past proven that he can handle complex tasks (like the Winter Olympics) and has a good feel how the economy works, or a visionary with the power to inspire millions, who believes in giving every American a chance, who had the strength to for the first time institute universal healthcare, who began to end the wars, and who is so respected around the world that he single-handedly reshaped America's image.

Not too shabby a choice, I'd say. Which ever man is elected, Americans know they're getting a competent and strong leader with some good ideas how to bring the country forward.

Compare this to, say, 12 years ago, where people had the choice between an intellectually challenged redneck who strung one gaffe to another, and a strange cold guy who couldn't connect to people and thought he was the smartest man in the country.


As to the topic question: should Obama be reelected? I'm undecided. If I was an American, yes I would want him to remain president, because his view of how society should be resonates with mine. From a German perspective, I'm not so sure. We really benefit the most from an economically strong America (which buys our stuff), so the more business-friendly America is run, the better for us, even if it means rising inequality and people being left along the wayside. From that regard, Romney might be pretty good for us.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:29 pm

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 2):
Quite an aimless thread, given the bipartisanship of US politics. It is really just a question of "Are you a Republican or a Democrat"

A much more interesting question is whether anyone is changing from being a Democrat voter to a Republican as a result of Obama's presidency.

I am a Democrat that will vote for Romney this November.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 5):
Quoting James Carville, "It's the Economy, stupid." And President Obama has done a disastrous job in handling it.

Has he, though? Would McCain have done better had he been elected in 2008? Would Romney have done better had he won the primary in 2008 and then the general election?

The economy was in a freefall when Obama was elected and took office. Now it's not. That's something positive, and I think you can attribute that to Obama. The economy hasn't taken off the way we all would have liked, of course, but considering where we were, I'm not sure that was even reasonable to expect. So I don't think we can conclusively rule on Obama's handling of the economy until after he's left office and we see how someone else does it.

Then we look at Romney's plan, and see how it's rather devoid of specifics about how he intends to balance the budget while cutting taxes. To me, that sounds like the sort of "cut taxes first and figure out how to pay for it later" mentality that ran around the GOP during the Bush years that results in never actually figuring out how to pay for it, and leads to an economy that looks good on the surface but has no solid foundation. And eventually, as the deficit keeps going up, that results in everything falling in on itself. So I'm very wary about giving him the reins.

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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:07 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
Seeing how the last 4 years haven't worked, saying, "Let's try four more," seems a bit insane to me.

And" let go back to what caused the original problem" - seem even worse!

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
e CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympics

Which was bailed out by the Fed Govmt.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
Romney was Governor of Massachusetts for four years

And how did he do there?

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
was a corporate CEO

Was he a good one, or a bad one? Maybe his tax return would show how great he was

This needs an accompanying thread "Should Romney be Elected"

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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:14 pm

I have never elected a Republican for President or any Federal office since I started to vote in 1972 and that won't change this year. I do have very serious problems with President Obama, but to me a Romney-Ryan win would be far worse for me.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:24 pm

I just saw a news report that feature an "undecided voter" - her complain about Obama is the he did not stand up strong enough to Wall Street in 2009.

And she thinks that Romney will?

Can someone explain.. What am i missing?
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:10 pm

I think this thread would have been less inane if it asked "Do you think the President should be reelected, despite how you feel about Mitt Romney?" Because the way it's worded now, all it's asking is "do you want the President or Romney to win in 2012" which really changes the dynamic (for the worse lol)
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:36 pm

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And I still want to know how he could afford to go to Columbia and Harvard just after making $12,000 per year working in Chicago as a housing and community activist!

1) He went to Columbia *before* he worked in Chicago

2) The same way anybody goes to a college they couldn't otherwise afford - financial aid via scholarships or student loans?
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 34):
2) The same way anybody goes to a college they couldn't otherwise afford - financial aid via scholarships or student loans?

Prove it.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:14 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 15):
Say your car battery dies, and you happen to find one on the side of the road. Sure, that one you found may not work, but if you can only try one, you have to try it because you know the other one doesn't work at all.

Unless you're afraid that that the battery you found (by the looks of it) is going to leak acid all over your engine compartment, trash your battery cables etc. Then it might be better to wait until the tow truck shows up  

It does strike me as ironic that the sentiment at work for Gov. Romney in 2012 - "Anyone is better than the guy we've got now" - is strikingly similar to the "We need change" that propelled President Obama into the White House in 2008.

And I predict we will see similarly disappointing results. I may just sit this one out.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:25 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 34):
2) The same way anybody goes to a college they couldn't otherwise afford - financial aid via scholarships or student loans?

Oh, that's right, he went to Columbia as "Barry Sarento" as a foreign student before coming to Chicago. When was it that he spent quite a bit of time in Pakistan?

Is there any record of his student loans?
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:45 pm

Yesterday's jobs report was really a scathing, objective indictment of the failures of Obama's economic policies. People can try to spin it however they'd like, but numbers don't lie: 300,000 dropping out of the work force creating the smallest labor force in over 30 years and a meager 96,000 jobs created (between 400,000-500,000 jobs a month are needed for recovery) nowhere near enough to even keep up with population growth, so the net number of people unemployed continues to grow. Obama can crow all he wants about how he really cares about the middle class and wants to rebuild it, but chronically high unemployment and a long-stalling economy are in fact destroying it, no if's and's or but's about it.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 3):
women's rights

Just because he doesn't believe that I shouldn't have to pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control does not mean he's trying to disenfranchise women. There are a whole heck of a lot more issues important to women than just birth control and abortion (though the Democrats would have you believe that's all they care about) and it shows in Obama's eroding edge among women voters in recent polling.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 3):
There is nothing anybody on here could say that would convince me Obama could have cleaned up 8 years of Republican ruin in that time.

Obama did. The incredible thing is that by Obama's very own standards he has failed. And if you honestly believe the Democrats played no part in the financial ruin with the frat house that was Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, the Community Reinvestment Act, the repeated blocking of attempts to audit Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, and the ramped up deficit spending post-Bush (whatever happened to their "pay-go" rule?) then you're a partisan beyond constructive discussion.


Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
The 43.9 million Americans who voted for Reagan instead of Carter in 1980.

   It is indeed possible to cut taxes, balance the budget, and create 25 years of economic prosperity for all income levels, it's been done before.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16):
Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 6):
The 2001-2 period under Bush,

9/11 had something to do with that. And for what it's worth, the tech bubble was built up and began to burst under Clinton, not unlike the housing bubble and Bush.

Exactly. People seem to act like Obama (himself included) was the only one who ever got dealt a rough hand during his presidency. Bush inherited the post-tech bubble recession and 9/11....now this isn't to say that I agree with how he reacted to them, but it most certainly doesn't excuse Obama's performance either.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
GOP's endorsement and adoption of their extremist ideals

They've had the same planks in their platform for the past 30 or so years, not sure why you think they all of a sudden harbor "extremist ideals" especially with such a moderate like Romney at the top of the ticket.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
I really didn't have a problem with the likes of Regan

Reagan had multiple failed presidential runs before he finally got elected and was routinely labeled "extreme" and "radical" by the establishment in both parties, so you're right in that respect as the mainstream in the Republican party opposed Reagan until he finally secured the nomination. But because he was so "extreme" and "radical" I'm sure you would have had issues with him, especially seeing as he was farther to the right than Romney  
Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
it's that the GOP still insists that there are no problems for middle class americans in the first place.

Actions speak louder than words. You can believe Obama all you want about how he sympathizes with the middle class and wants to rebuild it, yet it's his economy and his economic policies which have us teetering on the brink of a double-dip recession and chronically high unemployment which is actually destroying the middle class...do you really want to reward that kind of job performance?

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
The Obama administration has spent the last term mending fences and building alliances the GOP contenders would not have attempted. In fact, these folks call activities like that "weak" or "unamurrikan." Really shows what we're having to deal with here...

You're joking right? China routinely laughs at us (literally), Putin has no respect for our leaders which shows in Putin's diplomatic relations with the US (that "reset" US-Russia relations went so swimmingly well didn't it?), and Obama remained eerily silent during the election upheavals in Iran a few years ago. Combine all that with his disastrous endorsement of the Arab Spring revolts which have seen Al Qaida come to power in Libya and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, increasing tensions in the region like never before and setting back any human rights progress made over the past decades. He may have "mended the fence" with countries like Iceland, but in every other example where it's really mattered, his foreign policy has been a failure.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 24):
because I don't trust Romney/Ryan (Ryaney?) on social issues

Well a lot of good progress on social issues does if the majority of the country is dirt poor because of the failing economy. Not that Obama has done anything at all to advance social issues with a record number of Americans in poverty and on food stamps.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26):
I stay with that vote and this time it is 10% because Romney does not drink coffee or tea, 40 % because he does not drink alcohol and 10% because he has no humor. That may sound silly but I have a strong feeling against people who obey rules that ake no sense, sorry to say that. They can do that , whatever they like, but they should not run a country.

Very silly indeed that the majority of what is apparently deciding your vote is nothing substantive at all.

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
The economy was in a freefall when Obama was elected and took office.

That is such a ridiculous argument IMO as the economy would have bottomed out with or without government intervention...and then trying to use it as a positive for Obama's job performance? "Hey great news! The economy isn't freefalling anymore, now it's just going to stay the way it is for the next 10 years."

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
Then we look at Romney's plan, and see how it's rather devoid of specifics

This is such a line of bull thrown around by both parties that I find patently annoying. Both candidates honestly do have specific policy proposals laid out...just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're suddenly not specific.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):

Should Obama be reelected? My answer is NO! Why? Because he is a HORRIBLE president and he didn't keep his promises.
What do you think? And why?

   One or two promises not kept i can see.But most of them."Yes, We Can" went to "No,You Didn't"

Also,in simplified form:
1)800,000 job visa's given to illegals on a already job stress market.
2)The best POTUS in recent memory to me to dis-unionize and polarize the union.Battle of Red Vs.Blue.
3)Name calling and bad behavior of the democrats in which Obama is allowing is just petty.Using Nazi terms.It just says it's ultra tactics of hiding Obama's failures.UGH!
4) Anti-Christ? Maybe.One example out many.God had to be brought back to the platform after protest.And even that and the Israel capital issue got booed at the convention which the LA mayor had trouble with.
5)Fast and Furious and Eric Holder.
6) In no time I can recall that a POTUS got such media protection even it when it was unethical like the pardon of the black panthers after the 2008 voter intimidation case.
7)Obama's Executive orders like "In Case Of War" that gives the government endless powers to absorb any private company.
8)JUST RECENT:The claim at the DNC of former employers of Bain Capital proven later that they we're never employed with Bain.
9)The war continues after countless promises to end it.
10)The DEFICIT continues to grow.Not stop it!
11) Two media sources,one is Yahoo,says the Obama's job report,plus or minus,going up against other POTUS in their first term, is one of the lowest in 40 years.Jimmy Carter actually had one of the highest job growth of over +2%.Obama didn't even break 1% jobs hired vs.loss.
12)Banning the pipe line.

Voting Obama,IMHO,will put us into 3rd world status.Vote Romney,even you don't like the man ,get a better democrat later on.But Obama has to go.Even some liberals are just plain scared of this man's ultra liberal,unethical tactics.

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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:53 pm

I am voting for Obama because sets tax cuts for middle class, expand healthcare to those who can't afford it, not start pointless wars of political ideology, knows global warming is real and something has to be done, sees public school teachers as people who can inspire learning and does not think elections should not be bought by a guy named Karl and eccentric recluse billionaires.

Romney, Ryan and his party would rather prefer tax cuts for the rich and tax increases for everyone else. Romney and his party harp about the size of government and red tape but believe government ought to be big enough to tell you who should love, how a woman should not make her own choices about her body and weather a citizen should vote because of a potential likeliness that the person will vote for the wrong party. On foreign policy Romney has a mentality of a cold war war-hawk he thinks Russia is the "Red Dawn", he seems to want to go to war with every Islamic country and worst of all when he supported the war in Vietnam and counter protested the anti-war protests, he did not even have the balls to serve or go himself whilst his peers where dying in jungles, Romney was in of all places, France, that most socialist of socialist European countries and he said he loved France and speaks it.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:07 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Prove it.

Equally can you disprove it?
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:09 pm

Yes Obama should be re-elected. He may not be the greatest president, but the alternative seems far worse.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 38):
a meager 96,000 jobs created

Most of which are for the Obama re-election campaign.
Those clowns selling Obama shirts will blame Bush again when they're out of a job after the election.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 38):
Just because he doesn't believe that I shouldn't have to pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control does not mean he's trying to disenfranchise women.

  
She was starting a frivolous lawsuit and hadn't even became a lawyer yet. If contraceptives are SO important to her, why did she apply to a Catholic school in the first place?
Sandra Fluke does not speak for all women.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
Superfly is the only one I know of, though I'm sure there are more. And while this has happened, for each of him, there is one of me, who has gone the other direction,

There is a hell of a lot more voters like me than those who supported McCain and for Obama now. Hence why there is not a single McCain state that is in play this election. Every swing state is a state that Obama is defending.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
Obama administration has spent the last term mending fences and building alliances the GOP contenders would not have attempted.

Are you talking about his 'World Apology Tour '09?
Bowing down to Islamic dictators, insulting the American citizens in front of a cheering crowd in Germany, returning a gift for our White House from our ally (U.K.) and telling his supporters to "get in their faces" if people disagree with him and his polices is hardly mending fences.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:31 pm

I'm voting for Obama - again.

While some may disagree, I consider myself a moderate independent. I voted for both Bush I & II in the first campaign and against both for their second term, based on how I believed they performed. Bush I was really hurt by the Sanunu attitude. Bush II was really hurt by Iraq, exploding health insurance costs, abuses of military personnel rotations.

It is difficult for a moderate to consider Romney because of his willingness to attack both Social Security and Medicare.

A vote for the GOP ticket time time around is a vote against my kids and grandkids. I'm not doing that.

I also believe that I cannot trust Romney when it come to taxes, especially when he continues to hide his own.

I also have a large concern with Romney's refusal to respond to specific questions.

When asked about his tax program he tells you to wait until he is elected to discover the specifics.

When asked what his plans are to help the economy he tells you to wait until he is elected before finding out what his secret plan is.

The guy is deflecting everything possible. A plastic politician.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 5):
That looks at forty years of degrading and humiliating free lunches handed out in a spectacularly failed effort to level the playing field and says, 'Let's try forty more.'

Obviously the person who wrote this obscene comment has never been poor, and has never understood that we have millions in this country that are hungry - with one meal a day. The "free" meals in schools have ben a success under both Republican and Democrat Presidents. People like Reagan and both Bush's understood the importance. So that rancid comment may be "cute" for some in the gaga land of TV, but it doesn't play out in the real world.

Even Romney isn't stupid enough to go for that one. Ryan is, but not Romney.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 7):
Obama being reelected will only mean our dollar will appreciate even more

Could it be because you have a PM who shags her husband under the Aussie flag? Your own Sarah Palin, but on the left wing.

As for the Aussie Dollar - I should have bought more when it was 50 cents.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 7):
Can you not see your fantastic inconsistency? 2001-2002 was Bush's fault and yet 2009-2012 is...still Bush's fault?

The first Bush Recession was part of natural economic cycles.

The second time around we encountered the most horrid economic conditions since the Great Depression. It was truly The Great Recession and was the result of 8 years of Bush & Cheney showing us how successful a Conservative Administration can be.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
Romney was Governor of Massachusetts for four years, was a corporate CEO and the CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympics. Ryan has been in the House since 1999.

When he was Governor he brought in RomneyCare, INCLUDING a mandate. When he left office he instructed all aids to destroy documents of his administration, including wiping hard drives on government computers.

Same with the Olympics - destroy as much documentation as possible.

CEO of Bain? That is obviously going to be on the table during the final weeks - just like his hiding his tax returns. Those years might not turn into the political asset people think.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
I'd say in the area of foreign policy experience, Romney and Ryan are on-par with the credentials of Obama/Biden in 2008.

Not really. Biden did have a lot of time on the Foreign Relations Committee while ROmney could not get through a trip to a the UK without looking like a fool.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 22):

"There is no connection between financial wealth and success, It's how you help others that count"

scare me. They come across to me as socialistic.

You shouldn't be that scared - the GOP delivered one of the largest socialistic programs in my lifetime - that $1,000 per child per year socialist handout. All to get parents votes in 1996. $18,000 per child - cash in hand - and you worry about the Democrats?         

Quoting type-rated (Reply 22):
And I saw a report on the news that said Obama has only performed 35% of his 2008 campaign promises. Promise them everything give them little seems to be the order of the day!

That is a pretty good achievement when the GOP has made it clear they are the Party of No when Obama is in office, regardless of the damage it has done to the country.

And some of those achievements are pretty impressive. Start with getting out of Iraq, killing Osama & other terrorists, Health Care Reform, keeping GM & Chrysler alive (and profitable today), and stopping our rapid decent into a true Depression.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 22):
And I still want to know how he could afford to go to Columbia and Harvard just after making $12,000 per year working in Chicago as a housing and community activist!

He took out student loans and paid them off. Just like his wife and just like millions of other Americans. Toss in Pell Grants, scholarships, etc. and you have a pretty good description of how

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 23):
Just out of curiosity, do we have similar numbers for other presidents? This is relevant as it would benchmark what should be expected here.

Well, Bush kept his promise to return the budget surplus to the taxpayers. Unfortunately he ket refunding the surplus when it wasn't there any longer.

And he promised us that there were WMDs in Iraq.

Nice guy, bad Presidency. I think part of the problem was that Bush was President and Cheney was CEO,

Quoting kaitak (Reply 24):
I still have a strong suspicion that Romney's meeting with Netanyahu may have committed him to support an Israeli attack on Iran;

You might be right. Netanyahu is smart enough to know that it wouldn't take much pressure to get Romney to do anything Netanyahu wants him to do. Romney is simply too intellectually lazy on foreign affairs and too eager to be President that he will do what Netanyahu tells him to do.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 24):
with someone like Bolton as Secretary of State. Yeah, that's going to end well .

Bolton as SecState is a very scary thought - I believe that the Democrats would block that one with a Filibuster.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 44):
ROmney could not get through a trip to a the UK without looking like a fool.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):
Should Obama be reelected?

Hell no!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 6):
The 2001-2 period under Bush

Sorry the Tech bubble and economy decline started well before he took office. Toss in 9/11 and he was dealt a bad hand to start with.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 6):
Clinton nineties and especially 2000 when the $ was at such a high.

Once again the tech bubble hit while slick willy was still in office. Remember Enron and other such disasters?

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
* Neither Romney or Ryan has alot of foreign policy experience

They still have more than he had or has now. He has been a dister.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 14):
He had a vice president with that capability

Yes the Village idiot...

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 18):
Perhaps back in 2008, but today in 2012 ?

Still today.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
GOP's endorsement and adoption of their extremist ideals.

What is extremist about their ideals? A balanced budget? Actually following the laws of the land?

Quoting type-rated (Reply 37):
Oh, that's right, he went to Columbia as "Barry Sarento" as a foreign student before coming to Chicago. When was it that he spent quite a bit of time in Pakistan?

Is there any record of his student loans?

How about his grades? And his around the word trip stopping in various Muslim countries.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 38):
Just because he doesn't believe that I shouldn't have to pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control does not mean he's trying to disenfranchise women. There are a whole heck of a lot more issues important to women than just birth control and abortion (though the Democrats would have you believe that's all they care about

Bingo. She cannot afford the $10 a month for birth control but I bet she has a cell phone, cable and internet. What a joke

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 38):
And if you honestly believe the Democrats played no part in the financial ruin with the frat house that was Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, the Community Reinvestment Act, the repeated blocking of attempts to audit Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, and the ramped up deficit spending post-Bush (whatever happened to their "pay-go" rule?) then you're a partisan beyond constructive discussion

Bingo agaon...

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 40):
I am voting for Obama because sets tax cuts for middle class

Obamacare is the largest tax hike on the middle class in history. Enjoy your "free" healthcare.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 40):
expand healthcare to those who can't afford it

At the expense of others. Nice. How about you run your own charity and leave us out of it.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 40):
not start pointless wars of political ideology,

Almost fell out of my chair. Thanks for the good laugh.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 40):
knows global warming is real and something has to be done

He knows it will get him more tax revenue to redistribute. Global warming is just an extension of the marxist/socialist ideology.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 40):
sees public school teachers as people who can inspire learning and

Sees them as good union dues paying members who wil donate to the cause with our tax dollars.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 38):
Actions speak louder than words. You can believe Obama all you want about how he sympathizes with the middle class and wants to rebuild it, yet it's his economy and his economic policies which have us teetering on the brink of a double-dip recession and chronically high unemployment which is actually destroying the middle class...do you really want to reward that kind of job performance?

What specific actions by President Romney do you think would reverse this?

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 39):
4) Anti-Christ? Maybe.One example out many.God had to be brought back to the platform after protest.And even that and the Israel capital issue got booed at the convention which the LA mayor had trouble with.

Leaving religion out of politics would have been better.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 39):
10)The DEFICIT continues to grow.Not stop it!

Personally I blame Congress for this. At the end of the day, our elected representatives under the dome sign the checks. Unless we get rid of them too, changing Presidents may not help much.
 
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 46):
And his around the word trip stopping in various Muslim countries.

I'm curious what passport he used.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 47):
What specific actions by President Romney do you think would reverse this?

Off the top of my head; Obamacare and FATCA.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 47):
Unless we get rid of them too, changing Presidents may not help much.

Actually we are half way there. The voters tossed out a lot of members of Congress dethroning Nanci Pelosi in 2010.
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RE: Should Obama Be Reelected?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 30):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):Seeing how the last 4 years haven't worked, saying, "Let's try four more," seems a bit insane to me.

And" let go back to what caused the original problem" - seem even worse!

You're in luck then; George W. Bush isn't running in this election.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 30):
This needs an accompanying thread "Should Romney be Elected"

Start one.
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