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Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:05 am

Ford Transit Van (USA version)


The new 2013 T-Series line (T is for Transit)of full-sized cargo vans - the replacement for the iconic and evergreen Ford Econoline van - has broken cover and details are beginning to become public about Ford's much anticipated (and highly profitable) commercial vehicle.

As the official Ford photo (above) shows, the T-series commercial van is definitely NOT related to the current front-wheel drive U.S. Transit Connect van. The T-series is based on a rear-wheel drive only platform, and will be powered by Ford's 3.5 liter V-6 (in normal and Ecoboost versions) as well as an expected 3.2 liter FIVE cylinder turbo diesel that should give the T-series excellent fuel economy for a large van. The van will be produced at Ford's Kansas City assembly plant, which will soon also produce (according to UAW documents) the smaller current Ford Transit Connect, which was previously imported from Europe. Ford has not released complete details on the T-Series as of yet. The T-Series line will compete with the Nissan NV, GMC Express, and Mercedes (previously Dodge/Freightliner) Sprinter cargo van models. Fiat is also importing some of its European cargo vans for sale in Ram dealerships shortly, so the Transit will have lots of competitors. The T-Series should be on sale at U.S. Ford dealers by next spring.

Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/05/f...ica-as-kansas-city-built-t-series/

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Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:03 am

Interesting design.....is it just me but does its front look to girly?
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:49 am

They mine as well give it a retro look and call it the Model T.
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:55 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The T-series is based on a rear-wheel drive only platform

If the T series is anything like the previous V347 V348 series Transit whose chassis is designed to be produced as FWD, RWD and AWD, I'm sure you will be able to get in any drivetrain configuration you want, just maybe not in the US.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:45 pm

The US always had unique cars, vans and trucks but now they get more and more European style, don´t know if this is good or bad......
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 4):
The US always had unique cars, vans and trucks but now they get more and more European style, don´t know if this is good or bad......

Well it's good for Ford, it means they don't need to design different vehicles for different markets. Europeans will get a much larger range but won't get the 3.5 V6.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:33 pm

It sure is a sharp lookin' van. My only lingering question is what will replace the E-Series in terms of a passenger van? If this T(1000)-Series is wide enough as the Econoline, than it's fine, but insofar as I understand it, if it's as wide as the Transit, many will have issues with capacity.

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We have a company transit at work that seats 12, it's not the longest wheelbase version either.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
They mine as well give it a retro look and call it the Model T.

We'll have to see if someone offers a trim kit more to your liking:

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Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 6):
It sure is a sharp lookin' van. My only lingering question is what will replace the E-Series in terms of a passenger van? If this T(1000)-Series is wide enough as the Econoline, than it's fine, but insofar as I understand it, if it's as wide as the Transit, many will have issues with capacity.

I read that the van is designed with the "standard US requirement" of being able place a 4x8 sheet of plywood flat on the floor in the back. With that it will be essentially the same interior width as current vans. Also this new T-Series is not related to the Transit Connect beyond its name.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/tags/ford-transit/

As far as it looks.... come on, it's a freekin' van for goodness sake! It is pretty basic, a box with the now standard rounded corners to maximize fuel economy. It looks fine. Of course it looks different than E-series, it's not like the E-series was all that great or good looking. It has simply become "iconic" because it's had the same basic form for 27 years.

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Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 6):
It sure is a sharp lookin' van. My only lingering question is what will replace the E-Series in terms of a passenger van? If this T(1000)-Series is wide enough as the Econoline, than it's fine, but insofar as I understand it, if it's as wide as the Transit, many will have issues with capacity.

It is about the same width as the Econoline. Don't confuse the Transit (which currently isn't sold here) with the Transit Connect (which currently is), which btw, is also getting a nice makeover for the fall. Despite the similar name they are two completely different vehicles based on two different platforms.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 4):
The US always had unique cars, vans and trucks but now they get more and more European style, don´t know if this is good or bad......

Personally I think it's a good thing. They add interest to driving around town. I also think that the European designs are doing a decent job at leading the way on some small car designs.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:05 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 7):
We have a company transit at work that seats 12, it's not the longest wheelbase version either.

I know it probably won't happen, but a 2013 version of the classis "Ford Chateau Wagon" would be very cool (think of a Country Squire wagon, but in a van version)!  
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:17 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
They mine as well give it a retro look and call it the Model T.

'Fly, Ford just needs to offer a "Chateau Wagon" passenger version of the T-series (with a two-tone paint job, or woodgrain siding, and swivel "captain's chairs" up front in the Eddie Bauer Edition!   
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Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:57 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):

Interesting design.....is it just me but does its front look to girly?

That is a good point. The buyers of these things are men. It shouldn't necessarily have these female eyelashes on it. That's a little weird.

They did the same thing with 2013 Escape, too. It used to be a little bit butch. Now it's just another jellybean CUV. What do you bet they lost a lot of their fan base.
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 9):
It has simply become "iconic" because it's had the same basic form for 27 years.

You're about 10 years off; the basic platform for the current E-series dates back the 1975 model year.

As far as the upcoming T-series is concerned; IMHO, the front end on the European version (from the OP's link) looks a little bit better than the one for the U.S. market. Note to Ford: slapping on a Taurus-like nose on everything isn't necessarily a good idea.

While the smaller engine sizes were to be expected; I am a tad surprised that there's no available V8 listed... not even as part of a tow package. In addition to hauling inside cargo; I've seen some large vans (E-series and/or equivalent) used for towing.
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Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 9):
I read that the van is designed with the "standard US requirement" of being able place a 4x8 sheet of plywood flat on the floor in the back. With that it will be essentially the same interior width as current vans. Also this new T-Series is not related to the Transit Connect beyond its name.

It's not related to the Transit Connect, it's related to the Transit - which is the standard international van in Ford's lineup and the best selling van in Europe since 1965.

Ford's been planning this replacement for awhile.

Indeed, the writing has been on the wall for the E-series and the Savana/Express since DaimlerChrysler brought over the Sprinter to replace the ancient Dodge Ram Van ten years ago.

The Euro-style vans can haul alot more and use alot less fuel. They're better to drive and more stable when loaded, too. You might not be able to tow a yacht with one, but there's plenty of pickups for that.

The question now is not whether or not the Transit/T-series will do well here - because I think it very much will - but when will GM respond and with what? GM has vans like this in the international lineup, but they are produced in a JV with Renault. That means that Renault-Nissan might try to prevent them from being sold in the US, as they would compete with the Nissan NV, itself a weird amalgam of pickup and big van.

...And... will Fiat/Chrysler want to get in on the action with the Ducato, which is sold in Mexico but not the US, where Dodge dealers have been without a big van since 2009.
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
In addition to hauling inside cargo; I've seen some large vans (E-series and/or equivalent) used for towing.

The diesel should provide more than enough poke for towing.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
the front end on the European version

That's the current Gen 7 transit, not the new one.

If you take a look at the Ford UK transit website you can see just how many bodystyles, wheelbase, roof height and drive line configurations the Transit comes with, there should be a version here for pretty much everyone.

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Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
In addition to hauling inside cargo; I've seen some large vans (E-series and/or equivalent) used for towing.

The diesel should provide more than enough poke for towing.

According to Ford specs. (see below link for the 2012 models), the base E-150 version of the E-series w/the 5.4L V8 can tow up to 7000 lbs. (passenger version), 7400 lbs. (cargo version).

The larger, beefier E-350 w/the 6.8L V10 can tow up to 10,000 lbs.

http://www.new-cars.com/2012/ford/specs/e-series.html#weights


The new T-series, in The States, needs to offer a package that allows for equal or better towing capacities than the E-series.
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Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:27 pm

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Quoting tugger (Reply 9):
I read that the van is designed with the "standard US requirement" of being able place a 4x8 sheet of plywood flat on the floor in the back

Exactly.
Absolutely the first requirement for a commercial vehicle, van or pick-up truck in the US and the first thing thrown to the wayside by those who do not have a clue, making the vehicle useless piece of metal work.

Apparently Ford sees a future for the "Transit". Is GM still "asleep at the wheel" or will they just drop out of the van market altogether?

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Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 19):
Is GM still "asleep at the wheel" or will they just drop out of the van market altogether?

Both Chevy & GMC still make full-size vans; their platform is 20 years younger than the Ford E-series. They could actually exploit any towing-related shortfalls that the Ford T-series or Dodge Sprinter may have encountered, promote V8 reliability and/or grab former E-series owners that might be put off by the newer, taller vans offered by Ford & Dodge.
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Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:52 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):

According to Ford specs. (see below link for the 2012 models), the base E-150 version of the E-series w/the 5.4L V8 can tow up to 7000 lbs. (passenger version), 7400 lbs. (cargo version).

The larger, beefier E-350 w/the 6.8L V10 can tow up to 10,000 lbs.

The current Transit with the largest tow capacity in Denmark right now have 2,2l TDCi with 155hp and can tow 3000kg, thats ~6600 pounds.

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Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting cargolex (Reply 16):
...And... will Fiat/Chrysler want to get in on the action with the Ducato, which is sold in Mexico but not the US, where Dodge dealers have been without a big van since 2009.

Apparently they do, for 2013. But the Ducato is a JV with the other French carmaker, PSA Peugeot Citroën, in which... GM has invested !

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
The new T-series, in The States, needs to offer a package that allows for equal or better towing capacities than the E-series.

If it can make money, they will.

Quoting larshjort (Reply 21):
The current Transit with the largest tow capacity in Denmark right now have 2,2l TDCi with 155hp and can tow 3000kg, thats ~6600 pounds.

I'm guessing they don't use the same formula for towing in the US because they always end up with ridiculously large engines. Or maybe it's because they're not diesel, or because of the automatic transmissions.

Considering most small trucks and vans I see on the roads here are driven by maniacs, always over the speed limit (130Km/h), I wonder what would happen if they had V8 engines !
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:04 am

GM made a similar van for years. I learned to drive on one just like this, 292ci straight 6, 3 speed on the column....


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Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 9):
Quoting Polot (Reply 10):

I stand corrected, thanks!   I regularly drive the E-Series 15 pax vans, so I look forward to something a bit more stable (or as stable as something that big can be).
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting mham001 (Reply 23):
Appliance repair truck by day, my lair by night.

Shaggin' Wagon? 

In the 70s my dad bought something like that from a hippie. It was partially outfitted to be a camper inside, and my dad was going to finish the job. However it never was a good idea, since the truck wasn't reliable and since it wouldn't be safe to drive it with the family loaded in back. In retrospect he would have been better off putting the money into some sort of poptop trailer he could drag behind the badass Ford station wagon he was driving at the time.

Unfortunately for me, it was long gone before I could use it as a Shaggin' Wagon, although I can imagine my brother and his pothead friends probably got stoned in there a few times before my dad finally got rid of it.
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:41 am

Transits can be pretty badass, take this one for example, it's the one TWR used when developing the XJ220.

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/2446/940352.jpg
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:50 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 13):
'Fly, Ford just needs to offer a "Chateau Wagon" passenger version of the T-series (with a two-tone paint job, or woodgrain siding, and swivel "captain's chairs" up front in the Eddie Bauer Edition!

That would be nice!
A friend of mines has a 1978 Ford "Chateau Wagon" in the brown & beige tu-tone. It's the same color combination as his 1978 LTD Landau. He also has a 1984 AMC Eagle wagon limited. His wife thinks he's nuts but those are his toys.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
We'll have to see if someone offers a trim kit more to your liking:

  


As far as the looks of this T-series, I'm not impressed.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 25):
badass Ford station wagon he was driving at the time.

What kind was it?
1970 Torino Squire wagon?
429cu" V8 that put out over 400HP.  
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http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/1970FordTorinoSquireWagon.jpg

I know a particular member that is an L1011 fan that has the coupe version of this car.



or was it the full-size Mercury Colony Park wagon?

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/1974MercuryColonyPark.jpg

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:22 pm

It never ceases to amaze me the stupidity of the engines that Americans demand in their vans.

We run a fleet of vans here in the UK, 2.5 litre diesel Vauxhall Movanos - similar size to the econoline/transit. There is NO NEED for a V8 or V10 petrol in a van, it's just stupid. A van isn't about performance, it's about hauling goods, which means torque, which means diesel.

I know that the US Govt has an irrational hatred of diesel, but for industry, it makes so much more sense.

The 3.2 diesel transit we have here at the moment does about 26 UK MPG, which is about 30USMPG. Let me guess. An econoline Triton V10 doesn't get 30mpg?

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:34 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20):
former E-series owners that might be put off by the newer, taller vans offered by Ford & Dodge.

You can get a low roof one :

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:52 pm

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 28):
We run a fleet of vans here in the UK, 2.5 litre diesel Vauxhall Movanos - similar size to the econoline/transit. There is NO NEED for a V8 or V10 petrol in a van,

Hate to break it to you but the only manufacturers using V10s or larger in anything are Europeans. And now one Chrysler.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 30):

Really? http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/

E-Line:
"4.6L EFI Triton® V8 with 4-Speed Automatic Transmission with Overdrive
5.4L EFI Triton® V8 with 4-Speed Automatic Transmission with Overdrive
6.8L EFI Triton® V10 with 5-Speed Automatic Transmission with Overdrive and Tow/Haul Mode "

Let's not get sad and pedantic here about where companies are from (although last time I checked, Ford were an American company) - we are talking about what the market wants here.

The europeans want diesel and frugality. The Americans want V8 and V10 for "torque" 8-)

And this new Transit is being offered with a 3.5 litre V6 petrol as it's standard engine. That makes sense.... Still a move in the right direction I suppose.

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 28):
I know that the US Govt has an irrational hatred of diesel, but for industry, it makes so much more sense.

It's not just the US Gov't per say but also several states that have since adopted CA's more restrictive emission laws and standards (aka CARB) over the last 20 years or so. CARB laws alone have made diesel-powered offerings (unless one buys a super large truck) essentially not marketable.
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:00 pm

I stand corrected on the Ford.
But lets talk about this engine size thing. The old van I pictured above was a 292 straight 6 (4.8l). It was a torque monster, really a very good engine with huge cylinders and a long life. The problem was fuel economy stunk but that grunt was needed to haul loads in a very hilly city (Seattle). It is very inconvenient to not have enough power to get going at a steep downtown stoplight. Maybe we could have had a smaller diesel, but lost in the constant Euro haranguing about diesel is that we now know that all those diesel particulates kill people - as Europe has now discovered - after the fact. In hindsight, it has been very fortuitous that we did not hop on the diesel bandwagon.

Ford also offered a straight 6 in it's trucks until a decade or so ago. It too was a good engine, simple and strong but sucked fuel (see a theme here?). The notion that a motor is automatically more efficient because it is smaller was never true, at least not until the advent of direct injection, turbos and variable timing. Even today, a full sized Ford truck with a small V8 rivals the fuel efficiency of the smaller 4 and 6 cylinder trucks which has sadly helped kill the small truck market here.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 31):
The europeans want diesel and frugality. The Americans want V8 and V10 for "torque" 8-)

Agree with your general point. Technology has changed. Just as with aircraft. Ford just came out with a great 1.0 liter 3 cylinder with 125hp. With today's transmissions, that is plenty as long as it is torquey and quiet - which the 3 apparently is. I'd like that motor in my cars. And I drive fast. But when do you need 300HP on public roads... Never, that's when, unless you are a poor driver.


I tend to believe gasoline is still moving forward here. Diesel requires very expensive emissions controls here. You would expect full size vans here to be diesel, but it is not always so. And these are profit-seeking enterprises buying them. Diesel vehicles are $5-10,000 more expensive.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 33):
diesel particulates kill people - as Europe has now discovered - after the fact. In hindsight, it has been very fortuitous that we did not hop on the diesel bandwagon.

We knew that for a long time, why do you think particulates filters are mandatory ? But it's not like gasoline engines only emit water, and if every moving vehicle has poor fuel economy, the resulting emissions are far worse. All in all, I doubt California can claim to have great air quality thanks to CARB.

On the other hand I do think that small cars shouldn't have a diesel engine, here even the smallest "quadricycles" (350Kg cars you can drive without a license, limited to 45Km/h) are powered with a 2 cylinders 400cc diesel engine.
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
1970 Torino Squire wagon?
429cu" V8 that put out over 400HP.

Close: 70 Ford Country Squire with 400 cu in (6.6 L) Cleveland V8:



Dad's had the exact same green color, but for some unknown reason he didn't have the wood trim!

When my dad would give that thing the gas it'd really go!

I also recall it got really bad gas mileage, around 12 mpg or so, even though the wiki description says it was efficient:

Quote:

The mid block FE engine family was getting outdated, and the big-block 385 family could not meet the efficiency requirements of the time. At the same time, the small-block Windsor engines were too small and high-revving for Ford's fullsize car and truck applications. So the company developed a new small-block to meet the desired levels of economy while still providing the kind of big-block torque that was needed to move 2+ ton vehicles.
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 31):
And this new Transit is being offered with a 3.5 litre V6 petrol as it's standard engine. That makes sense.... Still a move in the right direction I suppose.

According to Ford, the new T-series will get a minimum of 25 percent better fuel economy when compared to the F-series (Econoline) models.
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:00 am

Interesting to see a left sliding door option will be available. I wonder why the Econoline never offered this option - even the GMC/Chevrolet Express offered this and was a huge selling point when it first debuted.
 
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 35):
All in all, I doubt California can claim to have great air quality thanks to CARB.

Huh? I think they get way carried away with some things but if you knew what the LA basin used to look like, you could not say that. We have far more cars on the road today producing (I read somewhere) 99% less pollution.
 
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
What kind was it?
1970 Torino Squire wagon?
429cu" V8 that put out over 400HP.

Awesome car, used to drive in my grad school days. More fun to drive than an SL500...
 
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:47 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 36):
Close: 70 Ford Country Squire with 400 cu in (6.6 L) Cleveland V8:


I thought that came out in 1972. The 1970 model would have been a 429 or a 390.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 36):
for some unknown reason he didn't have the wood trim!


Was he afraid of the wood?

Quoting Revelation (Reply 36):
I also recall it got really bad gas mileage, around 12 mpg or so, even though the wiki description says it was efficient:


Yep, that is about what they get.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 39):
Huh? I think they get way carried away with some things but if you knew what the LA basin used to look like, you could not say that. We have far more cars on the road today producing (I read somewhere) 99% less pollution.


mham001 has a point and yes I remember the smog in Los Angeles back in the early 1980s and it was bad. They haven't had stage III smog alerts in a long time. However I'm not so sure I'd give too much credit to CARB.
Car efficiency has been constantly improving over the year not to appease CARB but it's a selling point for consumers.

Quoting comorin (Reply 40):
Awesome car, used to drive in my grad school days. More fun to drive than an SL500...


Now THAT is saying a lot!   
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:56 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 34):
Ford just came out with a great 1.0 liter 3 cylinder with 125hp. With today's transmissions, that is plenty as long as it is torquey and quiet - which the 3 apparently is. I'd like that motor in my cars. And I drive fast.

Yes I've driven the ecoboost Focus, it's fine. Just as powerful as the outgoing 1.6 motor but it gets about 40% better mileage.

Petrol in small cars is the way forward. Diesel in larger cars/industrial vehicles is also the way forward.

Small petrol turbo engines are more frugal than diesel now, and require less stringent emissions bolt ons than Diesel.
 
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 36):
but for some unknown reason he didn't have the wood trim!

Did your father's wagon have the concealed headlights? If not, 1970 his wagon was either the Country Sedan (which was based off the mid-level Galaxie 500 trim) or the Ranch Wagon (which was based off the bare-bones Custom or Custom 500 trims). The Country Squire was based off the upper-level LTD trim.

The pic you posted is a '72 model BTW and Superfly's correct regarding the engine choices. The '70 Country Squire featured concealed headlights (see below-pic.).



1970 Country Sedan


The first LTD wagon without the simulated woodgrain rolled out for the 1974 model year.
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:21 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 39):
Huh? I think they get way carried away with some things but if you knew what the LA basin used to look like, you could not say that. We have far more cars on the road today producing (I read somewhere) 99% less pollution.

I just put "los angeles air pollution" in google and found that it's still the 2nd most polluted city in the country. The Californian standard is stricter on NOx emissions than European standards, this is what makes it complicated to have diesel cars. The other emissions are looser.
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:47 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
However I'm not so sure I'd give too much credit to CARB.

If not CARB, then who exactly forced emission controls on cars?

Quoting Aesma (Reply 44):
I just put "los angeles air pollution" in google and found that it's still the 2nd most polluted city in the country. The Californian standard is stricter on NOx emissions than European standards, this is what makes it complicated to have diesel cars. The other emissions are looser.

Second worse or worst, it does not negate the fact that LA is much, much cleaner today than the early 70's. I'm sure your google search will reveal that in spades.
 
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:12 pm

Sure, but it's the same in most (developed) countries. What I'm discussing is the relevance of what the US is doing compared to what Europe is doing. An indication could be that no US car is sold here while more and more euro cars (and now vans) are sold in the US.
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:25 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 46):

Sure, but it's the same in most (developed) countries. What I'm discussing is the relevance of what the US is doing compared to what Europe is doing. An indication could be that no US car is sold here while more and more euro cars (and now vans) are sold in the US.

It's interesting how Euros claim full responsibility when an American company (eg Ford) does well there but when they fall (eg Opel), it's all the Americans' fault.

Anyway, back to what you really said, which got my response, CARB has had a profound effect on the air quality in California over the past 30-40 years. There is no factual debate about that. And this is coming from a guy who mostly despises them.
 
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:42 pm

What I said is that California doesn't have great air quality, and that still stands.

I'm not German and I really don't know anything about Ford and Opel management, in France those two brands sell far less than the French ones (and VW). Well, as a kid my parents had a Ford Orion for a while, the engine died and it was too costly to repair, the car had something like 5 years.
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RE: Ford Launches Econoline Replacement With T-Series

Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 48):

What I said is that California doesn't have great air quality, and that still stands.

It's all relative, the air was much, much, much dirtier before CARB. You also have to understand that California also suffers from the jetstream bringing in Asian pollution. But LA is not even the dirtiest in CA, the Central Valley, which has relatively little population (mostly farmland) is much dirtier.
As to the present state, all I can say is that when I travel overseas, generally Asia, I fully appreciate pollution controls. Just eliminating 2 strokes (which CARB has done) would have an immense effect on SE Asia.

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