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Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:37 pm

I just noticed that this is the first 9/11 since 2001 we don't have a 9/11 thread here in Non Av.

I talked about 9/11 with my 6th graders in high school today and realized that they were born in 2001 and some weren't even born on that day, so I noticed that the event didn't mean that much to them at all.

I was in New York on that day so the memory of the events and the days, weeks and months afterwards are still very alive for me, but I start noticing a decline in public interest.

Can it be that 9/11 is slowly starting to fade away? At least on A.net it is.

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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:50 pm

Well there is a thread over in Civil -Av, but 9/11 is becomming much like Pearl Harbor. People remember, but they move on. The families, friends and close aquaintences of those lost will still feel deep pain. But for others, they will move on.

People have had weddings on 9/11 , people have been born on 9/11 since that day. My Facebook feed scrolls with memories of it, but also anniversary announcement, birthdays, and other happy events. 9/11/01 will always be a day people remember as a horrible day,but life goes on.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:52 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 1):
People remember, but they move on.

As it should be, in my opinion.

Of course, every person is different when it comes to getting over things, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:02 pm

May Allah bless those who perished on 9-11, and I never forget about 9/11 nor the personal experience I had on that day. I believe that after 11 years on the anniversary, the future of ground zero looks a lot more greener, safer, and more welcoming than ever before, I haven't visited ground zero yet, but God willing in the future I will some day, I love the beautiful towers and the scenery of the memorial and the water fall. Peace be unto those who perished on that terrible evil wicked day. And we all learned a lesson out of these terrorist attacks, perhaps in the end, this was an attack pending to happen, and out of evil acts, goodness always prevails. There is always light at the end of the tunnel, with patience and perseverance, we hold steadfast to our values and beliefs and Faith is the Most Powerful than anything else. What happened in the past already happened and as now come to pass, we cannot go back and rewind life like a video cassette, however we can learn what caused those terrible tragedies and/or terrorist attacks and learn from them, and prevent them from happening again.
 
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
I talked about 9/11 with my 6th graders in high school today

6th grade in high school? What kind of high school is that? The high school I teach at is 9-12 and some are even 10-12. I never heard of a 6th grader in a high school?

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
As it should be, in my opinion

I agree. It has been a long time and it isn't as if people don't remember, but they have moved on. Eventually it will become a thing only middle age people remember and then the elderly and then nobody at all. Eventually enough time will pass that no living memory of the event will exist. It is kind of like how there are fewer and fewer people around who remember where they where when JFK was shot, or when they heard WWII ended or when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. It isn't like I don't know when those events happened or why they are significant, but to me they are just events, while to others they may be life changing events because they lived through them.

I think back to 9-11-01 and think about the high school students that I had in class at the time and how we all watched the events unfold on TV and all of the interesting discussions we had that day and the few days after. My students today were small children at the time and those that were even school age at the time didn't watch it unfold as their schools kept it from them because children that young really can't comprehend that kind of event.

I find it odd that there are so many people on a.net that don't remember or never flew before 9-11-01. I am glad that by chance I flew SYR-DTW on 9-10-01 and can say I was able to fly the day before everything changed. I would have liked to have flown somewhere the day we started flying again so I could say I flew the day before and the day after everything changed. There are a lot of people in the industry that can say that, but there probably aren't too many people who don't work in the business who can say that.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 1):
People remember, but they move on
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
As it should be, in my opinion

  

Same for all the people who have known wars like WWII (i.e. my 4 grand-parents). It still hurts, but life MUST go on.

Probably the 9/11 will be like how we celebrate the D-Day here in France: a small ceremony every year, and a big one every 10 years.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 4):
6th grade in high school? What kind of high school is that?

Perhaps a Gymnasium in Germany.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:17 pm

I certainly don't think people are over it but time heals wounds. Now I think we will have more memorials and other type of things every 5th year or so. I can't believe it has been 11 years already, I remember watching the news coverage at school in the 7th grade and coming home and watching the coverage I even have a VHS around my room somewhere with recordings from that day. Now we have YouTube so no need for the VHS!

I took out the newspaper I saved from that day today and took a look at it. How the world changed especially in aviation. In my aviation law class we discussed our memories of 9/11 and my professor was discussing how each year the majority of the students are younger and younger of course. For my class just about everyone was 12-16 years old during 9/11 in a few years my professsor's class which book is titled "aviation law after 9-11" won't have anyone who remembers it much or at all which is crazy to think about.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:42 pm

For the first time since 9/11, we did no 1 minutes silence today. And I'm shocked I'm saying this, but I completely forgot it was 9/11 until I had to date a form.

I think it is starting to become more or a distant memory and that people are now moving on, however it will never be forgotten.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:55 pm

I always remember but for a more personal reason as my Grandmother died shortly after 9/11 in 2001. I will never forget where I was and the way it changed the world forever and how that year my life changed too.

Although the media covered it over here it was certainly not like in other years. I think its more of a time for private remembrance rather than a huge media event. At work today only a handful of my colleagues discussed it and then it was only for a few minutes.

Life does go on but I will never forget and will always pause for thought for years to come.

RIP to the victims of that day both on the planes and on the ground. The most shocking event I have ever been witness to and hopefully the last!
 
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 4):
6th grade in high school? What kind of high school is that? The high school I teach at is 9-12 and some are even 10-12. I never heard of a 6th grader in a high school?
Quoting NoUFO (Reply 6):
Perhaps a Gymnasium in Germany.

That's it exactly, I teach in Germany and here High school starts with grade 5. I should have probably said middle school.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 4):
I am glad that by chance I flew SYR-DTW on 9-10-01 and can say I was able to fly the day before everything changed.

Same here, almost. I flew into JFK 9 days before 9/11 and had cockpit jump seats during landing together with my girlfriend. We had just asked the pilots during flight. This was on Lufthansa's 747-200 where there was plenty of space in the cockpit so we both had a seat behind each other. Minutes before we landed, we saw the WTC silhouettes in the distance, I even took a photo. I'd never have thought that 9 days later everything would chance, including the jump seat riding I was doing at that very moment. Here's the photo I took with the WTC visible in the distance, and then another one just after landing.

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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:04 am

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 8):
I completely forgot it was 9/11

Don't feel bad, I did too. Only realized it when I went on MSNBC in the morning.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:41 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 11):
Don't feel bad, I did too. Only realized it when I went on MSNBC in the morning.

Seems like NBC did not know either:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ardashian-interview_n_1873969.html


Here is one of the most emotional media "speeches" if not the most from the days after 9/11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXcmc2AZ6ZE&feature=player_embedded


I took this picture earlier today showing the original front page from the Miami Herald about the 9/11 attacks and then bringing up the CNN.com front page when Osama Bin laden was killed. From Newspaper then now to I-Pad justice was finally served to him, we continued on, he no longer can.



I remember the exact moment I heard the news, I was in NYC two months later. Less than a year before 9/11 I was in NYC and me and my family made an unplanned stop at the WTC to go to the top. And I was in front of the White House when it was announced that Osama Bin Laden was killed. 9/11 and many moments associated with it are moments I will never forget.

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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:42 am

Simple answer no.

For many it will never be over either as saw the attacks, were in the buildings (WTC, Pentagon) when they happened, lost their workplaces, friends, partners, family members lost or injured in them.

Those that have had friends and family members killed or horribly injured in our wars in Afghanistan (and the unnecessary war in Iraq)

The long time it has taken to replace the WTC and build the Memorials had dragged out the mourning period.

We saw today a decision to include many forms of cancer to be considered as injuries in the post 9/11 WTC cleanup and lack of safety to protect workers, too many in a hurry to clean up to get Wall Street back running in a few weeks so not look like the Terrorists Won. We pay a price for the foreseeable decades of people dying early due to exposures to the

When we go on an airplane, enter many government buildings, even the WTC site 9/11 memorial, 1000's of cameras watching our public activities, military equipment with police, the Patriot act, our military all around the world, the still deep fears of terrorism.

This year we saw politicians excluded from the WTC ceremonies, perhaps as this is a Presidential election year.

There are still books comming out and articles written discussing the terrible failures to prevent 9/11.

Politicians, even today, using 9/11 to promote themselves, criticizing how it is commemorate, pointing fingers as to don't blame us/our party.

So while we were quickly back to a 'new normal' after 9/11, it will become more of a historical subject, probably in a few year, there will be no more ceremonies and reading of names of the dead.
 
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:41 am

Are we "over" 9-11? Yes

Will we ever forget 9-11? NO

Just as we moved on after Pearl Harbor, we have moved on past 9-11.

I still remember the TV that day and the voice of my wife at the time calling me wondering if we should take our kids out of school. She was scared, worried about the "next attack". As much as the pictures of New York were frighting, the sound of my wife was worse. But what I did was, what a lot of people did that terrible day did, was I continued on with my life. Like it or not, that is what defeated OBL, and all the other terrorists that have tried to stop free thinking(not going to say freedom, as a free mind is worth more than freedom). What he did was open the worlds mind to what he was against, but in doing so he showed that the world is for freedom of speech, religion, press, and so on. As bad as it was, it started the Arab spring. People around the world have now determined that " these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Words that were written over 200 hundred years ago but are still true today.

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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:40 am

I have.

Problem is: I don't remember it. There are about six months that are a complete loss for me. I had other personal issues going on. I don't remember this day 11 years ago at all. People around me are all somber and mindful. To me, it is just another day. And a day I don't understand why people are so upset over.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:23 am

It really depends on your definition of "over it".

I grew up in NY. Hung around the WTC. At the time of the attacks, I was a firefighter with my local fire department. So, am I over it? Again, it depends on what you mean. Am I seething with anger? No. Will I forget it? No.

I remember everything about that day, as though it was yesterday. The memory has not faded, but the emotion has.

Last year a Ground Zero photo tour came through our city and my wife and I attended. It was moving, in an abstract way. None of the emotions came back to me, but I remembered how it felt.

Strange, my son...a 6 year old...asked me when we can go to the memorial at Ground Zero.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:04 am

I don't know.

When the tragedy unfolded, I was a kid of only 11 years old, but I was already highly interested in politics, military and that sort of stuff most 11-year olds don't give a sh*t about.
I remember seeing the second aircraft hitting the WTC live, and I kept watching television until 11.30PM.
11 september, and everything that unfolded after it was very frightening and intense to an 11-year old. I was old enough to see what was going on, but too young to put it in perspective, set it aside, and deal with it properly.

I have seen the tsunami at Japan evolving on live television, but it didn't do me to much to be honest other than that I was amazed by the power of nature. I have been in a plane crash myself, have seen friends die in plane crashes.
However, when I have a nightmare (which happens seldomly) it is 9/11 which is always part of it one way or another.

Whenever I see images or video material from 9/11, I still get the shivers and feel the intensity again with which I lived through it as an 11 year old behind that TV over 4000 miles away from the actual scene. I don't think that is ever going away. But it won't keep me from living my life.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:57 am

This day as others, as the First step on the Moon with Neil Armstrong's recent passing, has found its place in the history books but having witnessed the event, I always remember to watch the footage and I have vowed to never forget the ones that perpetrated this day and why. 9/11 is a chapter in the book of America whose dialogue is not yet done.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:26 pm

No. People aren't. Those that were too young to remember and haven't been taught what happened may never have been upset. People like Seb above that over personal issues greater than a terrorist attack that murders thousands of people at once may not understand it, but I don't really get that. That's an excuse to not deal with greater realities and a luxury afforded to those who are born with or granted rights they believe inherent, but don't understand how they were earned or believe they have to be defended.

Remembrance of this is painful, and many people today actively seek to avoid this pain.....as they actively seek to avoid pain in anything. Even at the cost of truth, and to the cost of others. But remembrance of this is not about revenge, it's about understanding what comes. Anyone surprised by the mentality that led to today's death of the US ambassador in a nation we helped free very recently (and did not occupy or invade with large scale forces so there's no excuse there), or the scaling of the walls of the embassy in Cairo, over a film about freedom of expression, does not remember or understand the mentality of the people who murdered, or celebrated the murder of those thousands of victims.

The excuses made by apologists about the masses of people who commit these terrorist attacks over their religious feelings are ignoring basic inequities of life created by the enforced medieval culture imposed by the clerics that run the theocracies of Islamic nations. Anger at others is much easier than anger at their religious leaders or way of life that leaves them at the mercy of capricious and corrupt tribal leaders who masquerade as religious figures, and are guided by the loudest (often meaning the most zealous) actual imams and mullahs.

In the west we try to apply our standards of comportment to the people who do this and it doesn't work. Two entirely different cultures and sets of acceptable standards. We will continue to lose ground this way and the forces of inequity and chaos, and I mean that literally, will grow forcing larger responses from individuals and groups who will seek to impose order on their terms, not those of a civilized and educated society that demands freedom.
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:14 pm

Quoting dl021 (Reply 19):

The excuses made by apologists about the masses of people who commit these terrorist attacks over their religious feelings are ignoring basic inequities of life created by the enforced medieval culture imposed by the clerics that run the theocracies of Islamic nations. Anger at others is much easier than anger at their religious leaders or way of life that leaves them at the mercy of capricious and corrupt tribal leaders who masquerade as religious figures, and are guided by the loudest (often meaning the most zealous) actual imams and mullahs.

In the west we try to apply our standards of comportment to the people who do this and it doesn't work. Two entirely different cultures and sets of acceptable standards. We will continue to lose ground this way and the forces of inequity and chaos, and I mean that literally, will grow forcing larger responses from individuals and groups who will seek to impose order on their terms, not those of a civilized and educated society that demands freedom.

Excellent!...I echo your sentiment...
 
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:20 pm

I totally forgot it was 9/11 yesterday until I noticed that the local fire station was flying the Union Jack at half-mast, then it immediately hit me. It seems at least in some places in the UK the events that day are still remembered, though I'm not sure how wide spread the flag-lowering is.
 
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:16 pm

I used to watch the news every anniversary, and I used to pay close attention to the memorials and such. Last year I spent the morning at the memorial at Logan airport and watched jets take off overhead, climbing into the clear blue sky at the exact moment 9/11 occurred 10 years earlier. It made me cry.

I did nothing special yesterday because, honestly, I don't want to re-create the pain anymore. It sucks. That having been said, I will never be "over" 9/11, and I will never forget. No matter where I go in aviation or in life, I'll always carry a ribbon on my flight bag and a pin on my lanyard.

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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:14 pm

Not long before 9/11 I had caught a close shot of N612UA flying over me while landing on 13L at JFK. It was just a slightly faded 767-200. Just another one...who would ever have guessed I captured and watched a future player in the course of history passing in front of me and now how different I view that photo.
 
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 23):
Not long before 9/11 I had caught a close shot of N612UA flying over me while landing on 13L at JFK.

I've got one of 591UA at SFO from late August of 2001. It's just another photo in a box of photos from a spotting trip one wouldn't be able to take anymore. I sure miss the old days, before extra high fences, police dogs, and "ticketed pax only."
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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:03 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 22):
I will never be "over" 9/11, and I will never forget.

I'm not over 9/11. As a matter of fact, I woke up early yesterday to watch MSNBC replay their coverage from that morning. It was very eerie for just those few hours to be transported back to that day when memories of exactly where I was, my reactions, etc. became so clear and vivid, although they are (and will probably always will) be so.

If I am fortunate enough to get married and have kids, they will learn of 9/11 and how it changed this country, and the world, and the lessons we learned. Also I will teach them how for a few days or weeks, we weren't black, white, Latino, Asian, this, that, or the other thing...we were ALL Americans.

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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:40 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 25):
Also I will teach them how for a few days or weeks, we weren't black, white, Latino, Asian, this, that, or the other thing...we were ALL Americans.

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RE: Are We Over 9/11?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:48 pm

I think we will be over 9-11 when they start having sales on that day, like President's day sales. Though I hope it never comes to that. In this day and age you never know.
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