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Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:01 am

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...deo-shows-candid-romney/?hpt=hp_c1

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Speaking on Obama, "Had he been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot of winning this."

Obviously, given some of the Republican base, I can't imagine it will hurt Romney that much there, but the one's on the fence, I'm not so sure. All-in-all, some really abrasive comments to make about half the country, which I do not believe are true in the slightest. Sure, there are people who abuse the system, but I do not believe that 47% of Americans, or the Democrats, believe this. I'm a democrat and I certainly don't feel entitled or like a victim.

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:11 am

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
What say you?

Very very stupid. Had he said "there is about 47% that won't vote for me no matter what, I've got X%, so we need to focus on the middle ground" I don't think it would be as bad, but really Romney, what are you thinking!?

Honestly I see the media and the usual people make a big deal about it and most people not. As dumb as this comment was, I think the determining factor for voters will be something other than this comment. He's got 1 more chance to impress me... apparently his campaign says "it's time" to release details about his plans (the economy, jobs, etc.) I don't see anything changing on my end though
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:15 am

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):



47% of the population doesn't mean anything to him???

Now that both feet have been shot off ..someone get the man a wheelchair, walking is outta the question and he's gotta get to the debates somehow.

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
given some of the Republican base, I can't imagine it will hurt Romney that much there, but the one's on the fence, I'm not so sure.

The media will overblow this for about 3 weeks or so and then they'll find something to rip on.

It's really kinda weird. He has a point though...maybe it's not 47% of the people, but it's Americans themselves who have become a real slave to the government. They rely too much on the government for handouts, and they refuse to grow themselves, become themselves by themselves. They want those who have made themselves (the so-called 1%) to be the ones who pay for THEM. It's pathetic. We have become a nation of lazy dullards.

That's why I'm voting Romeny/Ryan. Both of them are self-made men. We need more people in this country who don't rely on the government.

Romney says that 47% of the electorate feels that they are "entitled" to whatever the government hands them, when that's really a bad thing. Romney is saying that he feels these people should have their mindset changed, so they become independent Americans. After all, we fought against the British for this very reason- to become free independent people.

Why do we need the government -- a failure of one -- to hand us what we need?


That's what Romney is saying. (or has said, like, 5 months ago. Remember that's when this was filmed.)

Media bias at it's best.

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:19 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
47% of the population doesn't mean anything to him???

Misinterpretation- He's saying 47% of the population will vote for people who give them anything want, and he wishes that this country's mindset will be changed.


Read into this more.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:25 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
That's why I'm voting Romeny/Ryan. Both of them are self-made men.

I'm not a Romney history guru, but I'm skeptical of this comment. Did he get to where he is WITHOUT any help from his father? Not saying he hasn't worked hard, but he needs to recognize the help that he received and realize not everyone has that. I've gotten pretty far so far in life, and I believe I could have done that with no help, but having a loving and supporting family undeniably helped.

Not saying government should force a level playing field, but I think there are some barriers to the poor that could be removed (mostly our education system needs reform IMO)
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:26 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
Very very stupid. Had he said "there is about 47% that won't vote for me no matter what, I've got X%, so we need to focus on the middle ground" I don't think it would be as bad, but really Romney, what are you thinking!?

It is pretty accurate. The modern day Democratic Party is centered on bribing people to vote for them - people who will get more sh&t from the government than they pay in (if they pay anything). The day that number crosses 50%, there will be champagne corks popping all through the DNC - they see this as a great political goal.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:26 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
It's pathetic. We have become a nation of lazy dullards.

I tend to disagree with comment seeing as how we still work the most among most western nations.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Both of them are self-made men

Using their parents money. And Obama isn't? He was born in a worse situation than Romney and Ryan financially.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Romney says that 47% of the electorate feels that they are "entitled" to whatever the government hands them

I'm part of that 47% that will be voting Obama and I don't feel entitled to anything. I work my butt off and I go to school every day so that I can be in a better situation in the future.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Why do we need the government -- a failure of one -- to hand us what we need?

the last thing the government handed me was a piece of paper saying I hadn't payed enough in my taxes, which I promptly paid.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:28 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
Very very stupid. Had he said "there is about 47% that won't vote for me no matter what, I've got X%, so we need to focus on the middle ground" I don't think it would be as bad, but really Romney, what are you thinking!?

It is pretty accurate.

I was saying, whether he thinks that or not, it was pretty dumb of him to say
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:28 am

Well, the U.S. is dangerously close to the point of no return, so the man has a point.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:50 am

How many of those 47% who don't pay Federal Income Tax include those on Government Social Security or on a small pension too low to be taxed? How many of those are on a Government or private disability or lawsuit proceeds not subject to taxation or the amounts too low to be taxed? How many are just not making enough to pay Federal Income taxes? Out of that 47%, how many will vote for Romney - probably 20% of them, especially older, suburban and rural males, Christian fundies and some racists who hate Obama.

Yes, about 47% of Americans won't vote for Romney-Ryan, but is is a much broader group than those he id's by only that number who get some government subsidies.
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:53 am

I do not think ANYONE is successful from the ground up without some sort of government assistance. I worked for the government of Oklahoma in the Oklahoma State Senate during college and the self-made millionaires would be nowhere if it weren't for their friends in the government, and their businesses would fail if it weren't for government assistance and what you term, "handouts." No doubt Romney has gotten some sweet and favorable things from the government. And while it may not be foodstamps or free healthcare or legal services, he surely has benefitted more from his government than a person hoping to eat and get a tetanus shot. Let's just term it, a white collar handout vs. a poor man's handout. A handout given over a nice glass of Scotch with friends at the Ritz-Carlton. It's still a handout. It's how big business is done. Fortunately for them, they have the money and damage control to term it something else, for those less fortunate, it's a "disgraceful thing" to get assistance, at least to some. While no one supports lazy people freeloading, this percentage is a HUGE minority in America, and an almost negligable force in the voting world.

I don't understand this "handout" rhetoric either. Most of the democrats I know are self-made, educated, and work their tail ends off. There are a LOT of Republicans who have nothing who rely on government assistance. I live in one of the most Red-States in the US, and there are people here who are dirt poor living on foodstamps who love Romney, but will take their healthcare and "handouts" privately and say the government should pay for things.

Let's be honest, not everyone in the US can be a hugely successful self-made person, it wouldn't work out. In theory, perhaps, but society has never, in the history of man, allowed this, due to man's on selfish reasons and desires. Everyone being self-made and hugely successful would spread the wealth out so everyone would basically have the same, which seems a little too "socialist" for those who are so against it.

Either way, I think the Romney comments, whether he meant them or not, were offensive. Some of the most successful, wealthy, educated, and hardworking people in the US are democrats. In fact, I'd say more of them are probably socially liberal and fiscally conservative, but comments like this will probably push them over to the liberal side. It doesn't help Romney, and shows a bit of arrogance towards his fellow man.

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:05 am

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
What say you?

I don't see what all is so controversial about it. Most people already know who they're voting for, and recent polling suggests that a similar percentage of the population sees government as the answer (39%), the vision which Obama champions, so where's the issue?

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
Speaking on Obama, "Had he been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot of winning this."

Well when you have practically 100% of African Americans voting for Obama (according to certain polls) and the race card often being played so errantly by his surrogates, I would agree with him.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
but having a loving and supporting family undeniably helped.

Where has he not given credit to the love and support from his wife and family? That was pretty much the theme of the whole RNC.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 7):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
It's pathetic. We have become a nation of lazy dullards.

I tend to disagree with comment seeing as how we still work the most among most western nations.

That's rapidly changing with the smallest labor force in 30+ years.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 7):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Both of them are self-made men

Using their parents money.

Yeah I'm sure Ryan was living the lush life off his single working mom's money.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 7):
the last thing the government handed me was a piece of paper saying I hadn't payed enough in my taxes, which I promptly paid.

...so you're voting for a guy who wants to raise taxes even more, in addition to the ones he's already created with Obamacare?
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:17 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
That's rapidly changing with the smallest labor force in 30+ years.

Considering those who are the 1% running American companies have been outsourcing labor like crazy in the past 25 years, it's no wonder.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
I don't see what all is so controversial about it. Most people already know who they're voting for, and recent polling suggests that a similar percentage of the population sees government as the answer (39%), the vision which Obama champions, so where's the issue?

Let's say Obama said this: "I'm going to just concentrate on those 8-10% who are on the fence because the rest of them are Conservative Religious people who feel entitled to injest their religious vitrol into politics. They think they deserve to be a nation of white Christians only, and lets face it folks, if you don't walk, talk, act, and worship the same God as us all, it's not worth trying to get their vote."

-Is it true, absolutely not, is it a stereotype, absolutely. And Romney just stereotyped the entire Democratic Party, with a pretty much baseless stereotype as it is. Had Obama said the above, you'd be screaming and yelling that it was offensive as well. Why? Because it is, either way.
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:19 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
That's rapidly changing with the smallest labor force in 30+ years.

We can't blame the economy on only Obama, a lot of the problems that we had with it were already well in motion when he came into power, he was trying to save a sinking supertanker with a bucket.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
Yeah I'm sure Ryan was living the lush life off his single working mom's money.

I will give credit where it is due, and I mistakenly wrapped Ryan into that. So you have me there. Romney on the other hand had wealthy parents to fall back on.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
...so you're voting for a guy who wants to raise taxes even more, in addition to the ones he's already created with Obamacare?

Yes. I don't see how lowering taxes for the upper class is going to do anything when most of the country falls in the middle class demographic.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:32 am

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 13):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
That's rapidly changing with the smallest labor force in 30+ years.

Considering those who are the 1% running American companies have been outsourcing labor like crazy in the past 25 years, it's no wonder.

Then how is it possible that we've had such vast swaths of 4% unemployment in the past 25 years (the lowest it can statistically go)? Furthermore, you honestly think Obama's going to bring those manufacturing jobs back with his stellar economic policies and 6,000 EPA regulations under review...oh and don't forget that auto plant in Finland he loaned money to, or the Brazilian oil companies to develop their oil sector while he comes home and vetoes the Keystone Pipeline.

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 13):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
I don't see what all is so controversial about it. Most people already know who they're voting for, and recent polling suggests that a similar percentage of the population sees government as the answer (39%), the vision which Obama champions, so where's the issue?

Let's say Obama said this: "I'm going to just concentrate on those 8-10% who are on the fence because the rest of them are Conservative Religious people who feel entitled to injest their religious vitrol into politics. They think they deserve to be a nation of white Christians only, and lets face it folks, if you don't walk, talk, act, and worship the same God as us all, it's not worth trying to get their vote."

-Is it true, absolutely not, is it a stereotype, absolutely. And Romney just stereotyped the entire Democratic Party, with a pretty much baseless stereotype as it is. Had Obama said the above, you'd be screaming and yelling that it was offensive as well. Why? Because it is, either way.
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Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 14):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
That's rapidly changing with the smallest labor force in 30+ years.

We can't blame the economy on only Obama, a lot of the problems that we had with it were already well in motion when he came into power, he was trying to save a sinking supertanker with a bucket.

Not according to Obama's own estimations. Obama told us that if we passed his stimulus that unemployment wouldn't go about 8%, that a lot the mess would be greatly improving at the end of his first term...well? I wouldn't have expected this whole economic disaster to be cleaned up in just four years, but we should be seeing at least SOME indications that his policies are working by now instead of joblessness increasing and being on the brink of yet another recession.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 14):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
...so you're voting for a guy who wants to raise taxes even more, in addition to the ones he's already created with Obamacare?

Yes. I don't see how lowering taxes for the upper class is going to do anything when most of the country falls in the middle class demographic.

Romney wants to lower marginal tax rates in ALL income tax brackets while closing loopholes for the "upper class".

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Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 7):
And Obama isn't? He was born in a worse situation than Romney and Ryan financially.

This whole narrative that Obama lived such an underprivileged, tough upbringing is ridiculous. From both of his books we know he lived in the mostly upscale neighborhoods in Honolulu and Indonesia, went to one of the most elite preparatory academies in Hawaii, regularly went on extravagant family vacations including a month-long junket to the mainland traveling all over the West Coast (and this being a.net, I think we all know how expensive it was for a whole family to fly Hawaii-mainland in the late 60's early 70's). He most certainly did not have the "hard knock life" many people seem to think.


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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
Very very stupid. Had he said "there is about 47% that won't vote for me no matter what, I've got X%, so we need to focus on the middle ground" I don't think it would be as bad, but really Romney, what are you thinking!?

It's incredibly stupid. This is Romney's "they cling to guns and religion" moment - alienating a whole section of the population who might have voted for him by lumping them all in with a stereotype.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
I'm not a Romney history guru, but I'm skeptical of this comment. Did he get to where he is WITHOUT any help from his father?

Of course not. He had a much easier road of it. When he suggests that young people borrow money from their parents to go to school or start a business, it shows how he just doesn't understand the financial reality of a lot of people in the country. He had a privileged background, and to his credit he didn't piss it all away, but let's not pretend he's a self-made man.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
The modern day Democratic Party is centered on bribing people to vote for them

And the GOP isn't?

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:39 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
That's rapidly changing with the smallest labor force in 30+ years.

Sure, when facts don't matter.

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
Speaking on Obama, "Had he been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot of winning this."


Don't put that in quotes if you can't quote it correctly!! He was talking about himself not President Obama and his statement is 100% true. If Mitt was of Mexican descent and Hispanic he would have an easier time winning this election no doubt about it. You quote of it is something I except from CNN or MSNBC.
""My dad, as you probably, know was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico ... and, uh, had he been born of, uh, Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this," Romney said. "But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico.... I mean I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino.""

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Misinterpretation- He's saying 47% of the population will vote for people who give them anything want, and he wishes that this country's mindset will be changed.


Exactly. Honestly what do I have to say about this? He is basically telling the truth. There is about 3-5% of Americans who will decide the election.

Also I think it is disgusting that someone went in there and recorded things illegally I assume. And if not against some agreement at least something that is very frowned upon in the political and business world. It is disgusting and who ever did it should not be such a coward and just reveal themselves. Of course they may have legal consequences if they did depending on any agreements at people who attended the event.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:06 am

Quoting cmf (Reply 17):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
That's rapidly changing with the smallest labor force in 30 years.

Sure, when facts don't matter.

http://www.dlt.ri.gov/lmi/laus/us/usadj.htm

Nice try...

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:10 am

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

It is obvious to me that Romney and his type claim to love America but have nothing but disdain for Americans.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Romney says that 47% of the electorate feels that they are "entitled" to whatever the government hands them, when that's really a bad thing. Romney is saying that he feels these people should have their mindset changed, so they become independent Americans. After all, we fought against the British for this very reason- to become free independent people.

No, to believe that a government of the people, by the people, and for the people should provide for the people is not "entitlement." It's "civilization."
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:41 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
The modern day Democratic Party is centered on bribing people to vote for them

By promising them jobs and health care. How dare they!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
to believe that a government of the people, by the people, and for the people should provide for the people is not "entitlement." It's "civilization."

What really irritates me is: the right-wing keeps going on and on about how much they love the Christian religions and how they are the party of God but they hate helping anyone other than the super wealthy. They refuse to feed the hungry or heal the sick or house the homeless. After all, the median income is $250,000 according to.... who? factcheck.org to find out what the real median income is....
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
The media will overblow this for about 3 weeks or so and then they'll find something to rip on.

the guys says he doesn't give a toss about nearly 150 million people...seriously, if stupidity had a photo then Mitt would be the poster! There is more to come from his speech too, can't imagine how much worse it could be.
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:57 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
47% of the population doesn't mean anything to him???

Misinterpretation- He's saying 47% of the population will vote for people who give them anything want, and he wishes that this country's mindset will be changed.

I know exactly what he was saying..but that's not how it plays in Peoria (if you get that political quip).

My joking about it in the manner I did.. is exactly how it will be broadcast across the airways/internet everywhere you look tomorrow. With his 'I don't worry about those people' statement... it's gonna play like Obama's 'you didn't build that' statement but on steroids multiplied by a factor of 10. Simply because it comes on the heels of his Libya miscue. Add to that the actual video of him saying it.

Here again was a case of Romney and bad choice of phrasing.

Half the country ARE NOT lazy government dependents, you are delusional to even hint that they are. I recently donated some computers to unemployed vets along with teaching some to really use them. While fought Romney goofed off in Paris on Military deferments. The majority of them are in tough situations..and when their nation called on them, they went to a wrong headed war in Vietnam. And the benefits they get today IS INDEED fair trade for what they gave. And they aren't the only ones. Many of today's poor and lower middle classcitizens weren't always in such an unfortunate state. When these financial disasters took hold, the numbers affected were more than just numbers - they were hard working productive contributing Americans as were their kids and now they may be finding a hard road back..but make no mistake for all they've put into the system..the system was designed to help them get back on their feet. I find it absolutely insane how the War Mongers love sending others into battle to attack someone else and risk their lives and then want nothing to do with them when they return maimed physically and mentally. or their families in distress because they didn't return at all. Many of these people are in the 47% he doesn't care about.

When Romney's dad fled the Mexican Revolution, he had nothing, the US Gov't gave them each $250 ($6000) each to get back on their feet again - here in the USA. It was the US Taxpayers that gave him 1.3 Billion 'to save the Salt Lake Olympics'...Romney could have used his 'business skills' to rause money to 'save the Olympics'..but nooooo... Gov't assistance was much much easier! So he needs to hold his tongue when talks about people dependent on Gov't, because if not for thsi gov't he wouldn't be in the position he's been in to take advantage of tax loop holes to stash cash in the Caymans , Bahamas and Switzerland.

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:58 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
No, to believe that a government of the people, by the people, and for the people should provide for the people is not "entitlement." It's "civilization."

Absolutely! From each according to their ability and to each according to their need, right?

Ha! No thanks. You can take that "Entitlement=Civilization" clap trap back to where it belongs alongside communism and national socialism...the rubbish bin of history.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
They refuse to feed the hungry or heal the sick or house the homeless.

Oh right, because those great landmark welfare accomplishments of the Democrats have surely helped do those things...oops, it actually hasn't, we now have more people living below the poverty line than before the "Great Society" reforms of the 60's.
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:28 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 24):
Absolutely! From each according to their ability and to each according to their need, right?

Not exactly, but forcing people to starve to death isn't civilized.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:40 am

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what,

He's right about that, but he shouldn't be saying it.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
That's why I'm voting Romeny/Ryan. Both of them are self-made men.

So is Obama.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 9):
Well, the U.S. is dangerously close to the point of no return, so the man has a point.

I think we're past it. Competing has been deemed too hard by too many people, so it seems easier to just coast and let the government take care of it. Americans are expecting less from themselves and more from others which is going to become a serious problem. Why plow and plant and fertilize and harvest when you could just shake your neighbor's fruit tree?

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 11):
I do not think ANYONE is successful from the ground up without some sort of government assistance.

If one man uses a road to become a millionaire owner of a trucking company and another man uses the same road to commute to his minimum wage job, the difference is not in the road.

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 11):
Let's be honest, not everyone in the US can be a hugely successful self-made person, it wouldn't work out.

None of that is the problem of those who are successful.

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 13):
Considering those who are the 1% running American companies have been outsourcing labor like crazy in the past 25 years, it's no wonder.

The solution is to stop vilifying those who are doing the outsourcing and look at the underlying factors causing them to do so. That's what needs to change.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
No, to believe that a government of the people, by the people, and for the people should provide for the people is not "entitlement." It's "civilization."

Everything the government provides to people also has to come from people. The government is a service that provides things that cannot be done privately. They should not be in the business of redistributing income.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
What really irritates me is: the right-wing keeps going on and on about how much they love the Christian religions and how they are the party of God but they hate helping anyone other than the super wealthy. They refuse to feed the hungry or heal the sick or house the homeless.

That's why I don't want the Christian right in power. They might start taking that bit seriously, and I would hate that every bit as much as when Democrats try it.

Of course, when you take money via taxes under the threat of a jail term, that couldn't be called charity. Really more like theft actually. That said, if you do feel so strongly about giving money to those less fortunate, there are plenty of charities ready to take your money, and probably do more good with less bureaucracy than the government would.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:05 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
None of that is the problem of those who are successful.

Actually, it is a problem. If everyone wanted to me mega-wealthy like Mitt Romney, our entire country would collapse. Few people get wealthy serving in our military, but we need soldiers. Few people get wealthy being teachers, but we need them.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
I think we're past it. Competing has been deemed too hard by too many people, so it seems easier to just coast and let the government take care of it. Americans are expecting less from themselves and more from others which is going to become a serious problem.

Totally false. There's little difference in the number of American's that want to work between today and 50 years ago. Most Americans want to work and be productive. The difference is that in the past hard work usually paid off, today it frequently doesn't as the deck is stacked against the average worker like never before.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
If one man uses a road to become a millionaire owner of a trucking company and another man uses the same road to commute to his minimum wage job, the difference is not in the road.

But where would that millionaire be if no one built the road??

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 15):
Then how is it possible that we've had such vast swaths of 4% unemployment in the past 25 years (the lowest it can statistically go)?

Temporary bubbles that artificially propped the economy up making it look far better than it actually was. We had big bubbles in stocks and housing that created a lot of temporary and artificial wealth. But when the bubbles popped, we ended up back in reality.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
He's right about that, but he shouldn't be saying it.

Except that a lot of people on "government assistance" are loyal Republicans. It's no secret that most of the states that consume far more than they pay to the Federal government are conservative states. Gee, I wonder why??
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
If everyone wanted to me mega-wealthy like Mitt Romney, our entire country would collapse.

So? How is any of that my problem? (For what it's worth, I really don't care about too much other than trying to be mega-wealthy one day)

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
Few people get wealthy serving in our military, but we need soldiers. Few people get wealthy being teachers, but we need them.

I'm not saying everybody has to care about money. But the inability or lack of interest of some people in making money isn't the problem of those who do have the ability and interest.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
Totally false. There's little difference in the number of American's that want to work between today and 50 years ago. Most Americans want to work and be productive.

Half of the "American Dream" got forgotten and people want more social programs than before. They'd just as soon let the wealthy pay for everything and have the government provide every service they need. Don't have a job? It's because the government didn't provide one. Don't have money? Let the government take care of it.

All people do is sit around and complain about jobs going to India and China versus working to come up with new jobs or becoming competitive. It's easy to vote for more spending when it's not your money being spent.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
But where would that millionaire be if no one built the road??

There is a road, which both should pay taxes for. The ability of one to use the road to make more money than the other does not mean he should pick up the tab for both of them.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:20 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 24):
we now have more people living below the poverty line than

Because people like Romney ship jobs overseas then blame people like you and me (who have to work at Wal-Mart because we have to feed and house our families) for the problems in our country.

The real people of this country who work at Wal-Mart and McDonalds end up on food stamps and government health care because people like Romney and Ryan and McConnell and Prevus and Rush and FOX tell everyone that it is the minimum wage workers to blame for the income inequality. Not the Wal-Mart/McDonalds workers. But, the Wal-Mart/McDonalds worders ARE the minimum wage workers!

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):That's why I'm voting Romeny/Ryan. Both of them are self-made men.
So is Obama.

Romney/Ryan love the Obama story, but fail to mention that Romney/Ryan are government or parent hand-outs. Obama actually DID pully himself up by his boot-straps. Romney got his mony from daddy and Ryan got his money from the feds. Obama was not a legacy. He became editor of Harvard Law Review on his own. With his own brain and hard work. Not because of daddy. That is what the right wants everyone to achieve. Just not the end result being some black guy. Only the white guys using daddy's money and name. That's how it looks to most of us, anyway.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:26 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
(For what it's worth, I really don't care about too much other than trying to be mega-wealthy one day)

When the country collapses, many of the wealthy (like you want to be) will get taken down with it. Bad things happen to wealthy people too.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
There is a road, which both should pay taxes for.

But you're still side stepping the question, how did the road get there?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
For what it's worth, I really don't care about too much other than trying to be mega-wealthy one day

That's fine. I hope you enjoy the unsatisfying life that comes when money is the only thing you care about.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:28 am

I think Romney has come to the realization that he truly has very little chance of winning the Presidency on Election Day. Thus, he is no longer filtering his comments and perspectives for the entire electorate. He just pissed off half of the American population with this one comment.... and his comment was wildly inaccurate. People may not pay income taxes to the IRS, but it doesn't mean that these people don't pay ANY taxes. They pay city, county, and state sales taxes, school taxes, gasoline taxes, property taxes, state income taxes, payroll taxes, and so on.

Of course, we have no idea what Mitt has paid over the past several years in federal income taxes, since he steadfastly refuses to release more than TWO years of tax statements. Personally, I think Mitt gave himself a fatal self-inflicted wound with this comment, as he will NEVER escape this error in the mind of independent voters.   
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:34 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
But you're still side stepping the question, how did the road get there?

Government put it there, which is fine. That's one of the things people need the government to do, since we can't all built our own roads. I do generally support efforts for the privatization of infrastructure.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
I hope you enjoy the unsatisfying life that comes when money is the only thing you care about.

Other people might find it unsatisfying, but I don't think I would. Success is addictive, and I'm perfectly fine being a junkie.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:04 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 29):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 24):
we now have more people living below the poverty line than

Because people like Romney ship jobs overseas

Puhleez. Romney turned around Staples, Dunkin Donuts, Home Depot, and Baskin Robins among others, almost 90% of the companies Romney and Bain Capital invested in were successfully turned around, companies that would have otherwise gone bankrupt, jobs that would have otherwise been lost. Obama on the other hand gave stimulus dollars to help build an auto plant in Finland, solar panel manufacturing in Mexico, and made bridge loans to Brazil to drill for oil while he puts the boot on the neck of our energy sector here in the States.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 29):
The real people of this country who work at Wal-Mart and McDonalds end up on food stamps and government health care because people like Romney and Ryan and McConnell and Prevus and Rush and FOX tell everyone that it is the minimum wage workers to blame for the income inequality. Not the Wal-Mart/McDonalds workers. But, the Wal-Mart/McDonalds worders ARE the minimum wage workers!

I'm sorry, you make zero sense here, I genuinely have no idea what you were trying to say.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
(For what it's worth, I really don't care about too much other than trying to be mega-wealthy one day)

When the country collapses, many of the wealthy (like you want to be) will get taken down with it. Bad things happen to wealthy people too.

Nope, the wealthy always have the money and ease to move somewhere else. Go ahead, raise taxes as high as you'd like, demonize their successes, in the end they're not going to hurt, they'll just move to Switzerland, Singapore, or Belgium in the case of Bernard Arnault.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
There is a road, which both should pay taxes for.

But you're still side stepping the question, how did the road get there?

Where do think the money came from to build the road in the first place?

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 31):
I think Romney has come to the realization that he truly has very little chance of winning the Presidency on Election Day.

You're dreaming, Obama and Romney have been and continue to be statistically tied in almost all the polls.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 31):
he will NEVER escape this error in the mind of independent voters.

How long have we been hearing this one? That Romney is going to lose the independents because of "this" or "that", yet Romney continues to lead by good margins among independents.
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:27 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 33):
Nope, the wealthy always have the money and ease to move somewhere else.

If the U.S. collapses, we'll take much of the rest of the world with us. Moving to Switzerland won't save you.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 33):
That Romney is going to lose the independents because of "this" or "that", yet Romney continues to lead by good margins among independents.

If Romney is leading by "good margins" among independents, plus he obviously leads with Republicans, how are they "statistically tied"? Conservatives + independents = 60-70% of the electorate, so they shouldn't be tied if what you say is true. Much like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, your math doesn't add up.
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:36 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
It is obvious to me that Romney and his type claim to love America but have nothing but disdain for Americans

For many, that statement would be more accurate with "Obama". For me personally, I think they both have a real heart for their country that is nonetheless overshadow by a lust for power, control, and ego-stroking.

Of course, you might once again say I'm "balancing" but I couldn't care less. This is exactly how I see it. That you like one and someone else likes the other is irrelevant.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
By promising them jobs and health care. How dare they!

Well, they have no business promising anything. Promises by politicians are largely made to be broken and frequently are made on the backs of people other than themselves. Jobs? Who is any president to promise anyone a job?

Quoting seb146,reply=21What really irritates me is: the right-wing keeps going on and on about how much they love the Christian religions and how they are the party of God but they hate helping anyone other than the super wealthy. They refuse to feed the hungry or heal the sick or house the homeless. After all, the median income is $250,000 according to.... who? factcheck.org to find out what the real median income is....][/quote]

What are you talking about? I'm sure there are studies that prove your point but once again I just don't see it in my life. All of the wealthy people I know appear to give regardless of party affiliation. They don't refuse to feed the hungry or house the homeless - they donate their money (often), goods (sometimes), and services (occasionally). that they often prefer to do it privately rather than via the IRS is only relevant if you wish to control the process (or money flow).

Ironically, the wealthiest people I know are Democrats - shame on them! Lol.

[quote=FlyPNS1
(Reply 27):
But where would that millionaire be if no one built the road??

But where COULD that minimum wage worker be WITH it?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 29):
That is what the right wants everyone to achieve. Just not the end result being some black guy. Only the white guys using daddy's money and name. That's how it looks to most of us, anyway

Dude, you are seriously messed up if that's actually how you see it. Of course, there will be a deafening silence from those here on the left because its always nice to have a useful idiot do the heavy lifting. That's the same reason politicians often don't call those out who imply candidates are responsible for their fathers death or were not born here.

As marginalized as I often feel on these boards as a Christian, it is actually helping me to at least start to lift out of the political three ring circus and to feel less like just another pawn for the DNC or RNC. Obviously I'm a work in progress.

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:11 am

Romney was unelectable before.

Now...he is a joke and a bully and scoundrel to everyday hardworking Americans.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:34 am

I won't guess who will win, but I am surprised at how many "Obama 2998" type of people I know that at least say they aren't voting for him again. I'm 99% sure it's the job market and gas prices that they are unhappy about. Heck, even my mom clicked Like on Mitt Romney's Facebook page. Never saw that coming.

That's just anecdotal evidence in my personal circle of what people are saying and responding to -YMMV. I also think that if Hillary were running, she'd take it. Oh well...

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:52 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 37):
am surprised at how many "Obama 2998" type of people I know that at least say they aren't voting for him again. I'm 99% sure it's the job market and gas prices that they are unhappy about.

What you said here is why sometimes I get so miffed about fellow voters. Hello! The President doesn't control the economy/jobs/gas prices like a genie could out of a bottle. Sure they can influence policy that can positively enforce everyday Americans' security. But, that is far more complicated and takes far longer time than most voters have patience for.

Still, if I'm an everyday worker and I see these comments on one side...how is that not going to turn me off? It is shameful. To say 47% of Americans are freeloaders when you are running for the President of the US is beyond shameful. (And the math was incorrectly rounded up, when it should have been correctly rounded (down)...)
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:55 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 36):
Romney was unelectable before.

Now...he is a joke and a bully and scoundrel to everyday hardworking Americans.

The disturbing line of thought in what he said .. is 'as if some half the nation have been on gov't assistance forever. Half the country??? Just summarily dismissing the contributions of the millions who've lost their jobs over the last 8-10 years.

That's purely insane! I've been to 41 of the 50 states and that's just not true in any sense.

Anyone know how many Congressmen/women are now retired and collecting full pay for life over the last 40 years..even after a meager 2 years of service! State County and City officials as well.

I'd like to see the Corporate Welfare dollar figures matched against the entitlement figures followed by the numbers of recipients of each.

Kill off all the Gov't contracts to perennial holders of such who are paid billions and deliver far less in the services they provide. And see who joins the 47% thru no choice of their own.

Guys like Romney never speak of 'when they suck off the Gov't teat' (Corporate Welfare & his HUGE Olympics Taxpayer financed payday) but have no problem bashing those barely surviving in the trailerparks of West Virginia - there are only so many jobs to be had. To claim you have God on your side speak so harshly of the weak and poor is just beyond my comprehension... I really don't know how these 'god types' do this.

Romney proudly just directly insulting half of the United States of America. Half the Nation.

Those out there saying he's ..'telling the truth' .. really? Then ask yourself, do you also 'just tell the truth'?
Have you told your girlfriend's dad his breath stinks?
Have told her mom she's too fat?
Have you told your grandmother her house smells like cats and medicine?
Or your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend he she is beginning to look somewhat unattractive?
..if so, I'm certain they have a few truthful things to tell you as well.

You 'he's telling the truth' types are either liars or lack the good sense or completely ignorant of the axiom 'discretion is the better part of valor'...

...whoever recorded Romney's comments, is proof in and of itself - proof that 'he had no idea to whom he was speaking'..he might as well have been speaking at the RNC Convention. No one can blame the person recording the event ..that's like blaming the guy who shot the Rodney King videotape for everything that occurred in the aftermath...saying it's not meant for public consumption.

This man just insulted half of America... now that he has..what will the other half do? (as if they know who they are)

Defend them?
Stand with them?
Separate and divide from them.

....if you choose to separate from them you are just that easily parted from your countrymen..in other words, it's not difficult for any enemy to set you against yourselves.



Instead of laughing at Romney, Barack Obama must be shaking his head in disbelief that this man would be this indiscreet and reckless.

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:12 am

Quoting qantas077 (Reply 22):
the guys says he doesn't give a toss about nearly 150 million people...seriously, if stupidity had a photo then Mitt would be the poster! There is more to come from his speech too, can't imagine how much worse it could be.

Heard earlier on ABC national news

They reckon, he's just lost the election !  
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:45 am

Bloomberg saying the same

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...mitt-romney-lost-the-election.html


This is an utter disaster for Romney.

Romney already has trouble relating to the public and convincing people he cares about them. Now, he's been caught on video saying that nearly half the country consists of hopeless losers.

Romney has been vigorously denying President Obama's claims that his tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class. Now, he's been caught on video suggesting that low- and middle-income Americans are undertaxed.

(That one is especially problematic given the speculation about what's on Mitt's unreleased pre-2010 tax returns.)


Romney is the most opaque presidential nominee since Nixon, and people have been reduced to guessing what his true feelings are. This video provides an answer: He feels that you're a loser. It's not an answer that wins elections.

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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:49 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 33):
Obama on the other hand gave stimulus dollars to help build an auto plant in Finland

Not true Valmat in Finland have been contract manufacturing motorvhicles for decades, the Saab 900 and gen 1 Porsche Boxter are two of the vehicles they have made. Those stimulus dollars have gone towards re-equipping an auto plant in the US and on R&D which is also happening in the US by US based employees. But don't let the truth get in the way will you.
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:02 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
That's why I'm voting Romeny/Ryan. Both of them are self-made men. We need more people in this country who don't rely on the government.

Highly debatable - but if you're being truly objective you have to include Obama in there too, as BMI727 said.

It's worth noting that Ryan has been a government employee longer than any of them - he became employed as a congressional staffer in 1992. He turned 22 that year. He was then elected to congress in 1998. Is that really self made? Hmm...

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
The modern day Democratic Party is centered on bribing people to vote for them - people who will get more sh&t from the government than they pay in

Partially true, but again, if you're being objective, the truth is that both parties bribe people to vote for them, the handouts just come in different forms. Defense jobs, farm subsidies, whatever the case may be. All the same crap if you ask me. Not to mention this pesky little fact - that the largest number of nontaxpayers are found predominantly in red states.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
The solution is to stop vilifying those who are doing the outsourcing and look at the underlying factors causing them to do so. That's what needs to change.

     

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 35):
For me personally, I think they both have a real heart for their country that is nonetheless overshadow by a lust for power, control, and ego-stroking.

Definitely so.   
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:21 am

In the new york times, conservative pundit David Brooks asks...

"when will the incompetence stop?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/op...s-thurston-howell-romney.html?_r=0
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:45 am

Wow, Romney clearly has no concept of the working poor.

I never liked Obama much but his opposition is crazy.

Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
Also I think it is disgusting that someone went in there and recorded things illegally I assume.

So I assume that you are also disgusted at all the secretive recording and selective editing that Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe did to Acorn?

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
Actually, it is a problem. If everyone wanted to me mega-wealthy like Mitt Romney, our entire country would collapse. Few people get wealthy serving in our military, but we need soldiers. Few people get wealthy being teachers, but we need them.

   Some people have to work long and hard to do the dirty/less desirable/low paying jobs. Romney seems to have no appreciation of these people's societal contributions at all. In my mind, it takes a lot of sacrifice to choose a career path that gives you a low likelihood of becoming highly financially stressful (how many teachers are on million dollar salaries?).

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
Don't have a job? It's because the government didn't provide one. Don't have money? Let the government take care of it.

That blame the government mentality sounds a lot like something a guy called Paul Ryan said a few weeks ago:

Quote:
If you%u2019re feeling left out or passed by: You have not failed, your leaders have failed you.

Source: https://twitter.com/PaulRyanVP/status/241368697900527616

Quoting seb146 (Reply 29):
The real people of this country who work at Wal-Mart and McDonalds end up on food stamps and government health care because people like Romney and Ryan and McConnell and Prevus and Rush and FOX tell everyone that it is the minimum wage workers to blame for the income inequality. Not the Wal-Mart/McDonalds workers. But, the Wal-Mart/McDonalds worders ARE the minimum wage workers!

   and then there are people like Michele Bachmann who say that lowering or abolishing the minimum wage will solve their problems.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 33):
Obama on the other hand gave stimulus dollars to help build an auto plant in Finland

It wasn't stimulus dollars, it was a department of energy program which was 'signed into existence' by that enviro-hippie George W Bush.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...imulus-money-went-buy-electric-ca/

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 35):
I think they both have a real heart for their country that is nonetheless overshadow by a lust for power, control, and ego-stroking.

Well said, thought to be fair, I think it is the same for pretty much all politicians globally.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:59 pm

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

controversial to some left leaning people...

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

The truth hurt's sometimes...we need more if it injected into our country and politics

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
Speaking on Obama, "Had he been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot of winning this."

Way to misquote and misinterpret what he said..

Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
47% of the population doesn't mean anything to him???

Not what he said...Nice try though

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 13):
Considering those who are the 1% running American companies have been outsourcing labor like crazy in the past 25 years, it's no wonder.

Since Clinton and Gore pushed NAFTA through??? How much did Barry outsource with his stimulus money. Or with his energy policy?

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 13):
"I'm going to just concentrate on those 8-10% who are on the fence because the rest of them are Conservative Religious people who feel entitled to injest their religious vitrol into politics. They think they deserve to be a nation of white Christians only, and lets face it folks, if you don't walk, talk, act, and worship the same God as us all, it's not worth trying to get their vote."

This is what he is thinking and is how he is governing...Wish Barry would have the gonads and come right out and say it..

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 14):
Yes. I don't see how lowering taxes for the upper class is going to do anything when most of the country falls in the middle class demographic.

Latest stats show that the middle class has shrunk because many of them have moved UP.

Quoting cmf (Reply 17):
Sure, when facts don't matter.

It is % wise the smallest...nice try though.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
It is obvious to me that Romney and his type claim to love America but have nothing but disdain for Americans
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
No, to believe that a government of the people, by the people, and for the people should provide for the people is not "entitlement." It's "civilization."

Who is the government? It is the other 53% who are footing thee bill. That is entitlement not civilization. How much extra money do you donate to Uncle Sam every year to support your civilization?

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 24):

Ha! No thanks. You can take that "Entitlement=Civilization" clap trap back to where it belongs alongside communism and national socialism...the rubbish bin of history.

Bingo.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
By promising them jobs and health care. How dare they!

Jobs funded by another tax payer and health care provided at the tip of the Government spear at the expense of someone else. Government does not provide this. They steal from citizen to give to another. Period....

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
What really irritates me is: the right-wing keeps going on and on about how much they love the Christian religions and how they are the party of God but they hate helping anyone other than the super wealthy. They refuse to feed the hungry or heal the sick or house the homeless.

This line get's really tiring...Who donates more to charity?....we do not consider the government a charity..

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
But where would that millionaire be if no one built the road??

The millionaire paid for the road to be built.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 36):
Now...he is a joke and a bully and scoundrel to everyday hardworking Americans.

Whatever...

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 38):
and I see these comments on one side...how is that not going to turn me off?

They are already voting for the hand that will feed them and their next generation...

Quoting BN747 (Reply 39):
Just summarily dismissing the contributions of the millions who've lost their jobs over the last 8-10 years.

You mean the last three years he has been in office..There was actual job growth after the tech recession that Bush fixed..

Quoting BN747 (Reply 39):
I'd like to see the Corporate Welfare dollar figures

What is corporate welfare? allowing them to keep more of the money the made? Another left wing sound bite...

Quoting BN747 (Reply 39):
Kill off all the Gov't contracts to perennial holders of such who are paid billions and deliver far less in the services they provide.

Like all of Barry's cronyism with the failed green business's that have collapsed the last few years..

Quoting BN747 (Reply 39):
You 'he's telling the truth' types are either liars or lack the good sense or completely ignorant of the axiom 'discretion is the better part of valor'...

He is telling the truth

Quoting BN747 (Reply 39):
Separate and divide from them.

Coming from the party that divides everyone into race and class...LOL

Quoting BN747 (Reply 39):
....if you choose to separate from them you are just that easily parted from your countrymen..in other words, it's not difficult for any enemy to set you against yourselves.

Like Barry has been doing for the last four years with his class and race rhetoric...

Quoting BN747 (Reply 39):
Barack Obama must be shaking his head in disbelief that this man would be this indiscreet and reckless.

As Obama tells Putin...Wait till my second term...Then I can really screw my country...

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 44):
In the new york times, conservative pundit David Brooks asks... "when will the incompetence stop?

When Obama is no linger in charge of anything...
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
If Mitt was of Mexican descent and Hispanic he would have an easier time winning this election no doubt about it. You quote of it is something I except from CNN or MSNBC.

He never would have made it out of the Republican Primary.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 46):
Latest stats show that the middle class has shrunk because many of them have moved UP.

Let's see that stat table you have.
Going to be especially hard to prove when the Number of workers is less now than it was in 2007, and the population has increased.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 46):
You mean the last three years he has been in office..There was actual job growth after the tech recession that Bush fixed..

And how much was due to that Housing bubble we all love?

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 19):

http://www.businessinsider.com/labor...012-9

Interesting that you choose to follow up a chart that shows people are going back to work with a percentage chart on the labor pool.
the percentages are down due to the recession, which from that previous chart you can see that the highest number of workers were employed in Dec 2007, giving bush a full year to get the can moving south.

Also in that chart you can see that Bush's tax cuts didn't really do anything to recover from the tech bubble. As Clinton held the highers participation rates.

Quoting 777222LR (Thread starter):
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

This 47% number was careless and wild, and his belief in entitlements is really crass. Especially when Mr. Silver Spoon never had to struggle to go to college. The cute little story ann told of them living in an apartment to resonate with families looses a bit of perspective when you realize they were living off of an investment paying dividends.

He put down a lot of people. Now the truth is, that as shown by the graph Aaron747 put up, is that a lot of them won't see the slight. They will assume he was talking about those "other" people.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 43):
Partially true, but again, if you're being objective, the truth is that both parties bribe people to vote for them, the handouts just come in different forms. Defense jobs, farm subsidies, whatever the case may be. All the same crap if you ask me. Not to mention this pesky little fact - that the largest number of nontaxpayers are found predominantly in red states.
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:20 pm

Latest stats show that the Middle Class has shrunk because most of them have moved UP...??? Uuuuh, heeelloooo! McFly...pick up book, read book, ooga booga, drop club, make fire, see wheel roll.

Welcome to rational enlightenment. Or maybe you thought burying that comment in the middle would make it past anyone with even 10% of their wits about them?
 
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RE: Romney's Recent Controversial Comments

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:31 pm

Quoting cmf (Reply 17):
Sure, when facts don't matter.
http://www.dlt.ri.gov/lmi/laus/us/us...j.htm

Impressive use of facts from a primary source! The most impressive posts stick to the facts.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 19):
Nice try...
http://www.businessinsider.com/labor...ts-lowest-level-in-31-years-2012-9
.

In fairness to CMF, you have repeatedly on various threads claimed under Obama, America has the

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
smallest labor force in 30+ years.

....which is not true, as CMF proved. What you obviously meant to say is smallest labor force participation rate, which has been falling well before Obama took office and will shrink even smaller by 2020 regardless of who is president because Baby Boomers are retiring in record numbers.. Retirees, students and voluntarily deciding to become a housewife all shrink the participation rate. But so does just giving up trying to work, which is obviously what you want these figures mean....but your version does not consider retirees and that even if Romney wins the labor participation rate will likely be even smaller than Obama's as retirements increase.
(...most industrialised nations are in the same boat, btw, which is hell on the pension schemes)

Many thanks to Flyguy89 and CMF for trying to keep the debate on verifiable facts instead of the usual heresay and partisan rhetoric.

Pu


explains a little more about why labor force participation is shrinking
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ce/2012/05/04/gIQANXAy1T_blog.html

[Edited 2012-09-18 06:34:52]
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