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F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:56 pm

Qualifying just finished for Singapore. Hamilton blasts to pole with Vettel (P3) and Alonso (P5) comfortably slower.

DEFCON 3 alert for Hamilton and McLaren - Maldonardo starts from P2!   

Final times:
1 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:48.285 1:46.665 1:46.362 14
2 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:49.494 1:47.602 1:46.804 17
3 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:48.240 1:46.791 1:46.905 14
4 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:49.381 1:47.661 1:46.939 15
5 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:49.391 1:47.567 1:47.216 14
6 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:48.028 1:47.667 1:47.241 18
7 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:48.717 1:47.513 1:47.475 17
8 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:47.688 1:47.529 1:47.788 16
9 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:49.546 1:47.823 14
10 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:49.463 1:47.943 13
11 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:49.547 1:47.975 12
12 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:48.169 1:48.261 14
13 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:49.767 1:48.344 12
14 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:49.055 1:48.505 14
15 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:49.023 1:48.774 13
16 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:49.564 1:48.849 14
17 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1:49.809 10
18 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:49.933 8
19 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:50.846 6
20 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:51.137 6
21 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1:51.370 8
22 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1:51.762 8
23 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:52.372 7
24 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1:53.355 7
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting scbriml (Thread starter):
DEFCON 3 alert for Hamilton and McLaren - Maldonardo starts from P2!

  

It was a seriously good lap from Maldonado. I just hope he can convert that into decent points and maybe a podium for Williams instead of binning it as he has done lately.

I'm somewhat surprised that Vettel only managed to qualify third given that his practice times have been stunning all weekend. 3rd's not too bad, though. He, too, will have to watch out for Maldonado at the start ...
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:58 pm

I hope nothing will happen during the start. For the rest of the GP, there is no hope, we will see a couple of crashes for sure.
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:18 pm

Congrats to Vettel. And a dane on the podium for the first time in F1 history 

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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:15 pm

Well, that was an eventful race! Unfortunately for Williams, neither car managed to finish. Right now, though, I'm just happy that Vettel won for the first time in a long time, closing the gap to Alonso. This will be an exciting finish to the championship, I'm sure  
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And a dane on the podium for the first time in F1 history

 

I wonder if Red Bull takes it in turns to decide who gets to go on the podium, or if it's just randomly selected from one of Vettel's mechanics.
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:29 pm

Schumacher got a 10 grid penalty for the next race because he crashed into Vergne.

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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:46 pm

Engines have been frozen for years, but somehow there is far less reliability this season !
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:16 pm

I wonder if the gearbox failure at this critical juncture is going to cause Hamilton to go somewhere else. I wonder if he's going to take a one year extension and go to Ferrari or Redbull...hmm.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:40 pm

Okay, this is the first race I've watched in a long time (the entire summer) why is it that this one was timed? Did I miss a rule change or was it a thing that they just do at Singapore?
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 8):
Did I miss a rule change or was it a thing that they just do at Singapore?

A Formula 1 race is usually 310-315 km and a maximum of 2 hours. If you cannot complete the amount of laps, the GP will end after 2 hours. This is not a new rule. It's been there for quite a while  
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9):
This is not a new rule. It's been there for quite a while

I clearly have just not been paying attention for a while then... But on the actual Singapore race, I always love watching them race under the lights. I don't however like how Hamilton had such a good qualifying only to have it thrown away by a gearbox issue.. Congrats to Vettel, hopefully he can take down Alonso.
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Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 7):
I wonder if the gearbox failure at this critical juncture is going to cause Hamilton to go somewhere else. I wonder if he's going to take a one year extension and go to Ferrari or Redbull...hmm.

Gearbox my bad. Not a big difference it makes.

Ferrari : as long as Alonso is there, never gonna happen. Red Bull, I don't know, but I don't really see it. Clearly those (with McLaren) are the only three teams that are competitive year after year.
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:20 am

I am shocked at what went on during the Singapore Grand Prix and in the stewards room afterwards.

Why was that evil young Frenchman Jean-Eric Vergne not disqualified and stripped of his F1 Super license.

The malice he showed reversing into that nice German boy is shameful and has no place in F1.
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:05 am

I found it refreshing overall that despite countless inquiries only a couple of deserved sanctions were applied, but this blatant inconsistency is really problematic. I mean Grosjean was penalized for an honest mistake in Spa, and here at the start several drivers just bump into him and cut the chicane to pass him, and nothing happens.
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:52 am

I just saw that Webber had been sanctioned for another time he overtook outside of the track so there is that.
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:02 pm

Due to a long work shift.. I dozed off during the race, missed some of the interesting bits, appears it is OK for some to flout the safety car rules, not OK for others to put wheels off track..
Gonna watch the race again before I comment further!!
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:39 pm

What safety car rules were flouted?
 
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:53 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 16):
What safety car rules were flouted?
Quoting Autosport.com:
Vettel was summoned to see the stewards over alleged erratic driving when Jenson Button nearly made contact with him as the Red Bull driver swerved and braked to prepare for the restart.
Quoting Autosport.com:
McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh said the duo had been lucky not to crash during the incident.
"They were lucky not to have gifted Fernando Alonso a first place," he said. "I think when you weave around, then you go, and then you brake in the corner, it was very, very close and we were very lucky not to have a big accident."

Now I do note that the stewards state..

Quoting Autosport.com:
"An examination of the telemetry overlay for throttle, steering and brake traces of both cars did not indicate any erratic driving behaviour on the part of the race leader," said a stewards' statement.

"It is noted that Article 40.13 provides that the first car may dictate the pace."
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:09 pm

So nothing was flouted then.

It was very similar to an incident Button himself almost caused by driving extremely slowly while being the race leader behind the safety car a couple years ago... And the point was made there that the race leader dictated the pace.

Yup, just checked and I remembered correctly - Button caused much the same incident in China 2010, causing several incidents behind him in the pack as he suddenly slowed down at a corner, including contact between Hamilton and Webber, and several cars had to run side by side to avoid contact.

The stewards noted the same ting then - the race leader dictates the pace.

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Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
Engines have been frozen for years, but somehow there is far less reliability this season !

Because it's really not the engine(s) that are failing. As they are frozen, and even the engine maps are now controlled, what the engineers seem to be doing is trying to get every single bit of parasitic loss out of the package. Things like the gearbox that do consume power, Vettel's alternator issues, etc. It's actually been quite some time since we've seen an engine hand-grenade and blow it's insides out thru a hole in the engine block.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:25 am

Quoting photopilot (Reply 19):
It's actually been quite some time since we've seen an engine hand-grenade and blow it's insides out thru a hole in the engine block.

Bring back the goold old blowups with lots of smoke covering the whole track. Those were the days it seems like. 
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:49 pm

You can read my friend Rita Xiumè Singapore F1 GP race report here on the Mercedes fan blog website:
http://mercamgf1-fans.com/fans-blog/

You will also find her 2012 Monza F1 GP report on the same page following the Singapore race report and also Silverstone F1 GP further down (all 2012) with many of her nice pictures. Rita is an avid F1 race goer with much experience and unalloyed fan of Michael Schumacher.

http://mercamgf1-fans.com/fans-blog/

     
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
Rita is an avid F1 race goer with much experience

Sounds like the ideal woman!!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
and unalloyed fan of Michael Schumacher

But then I guess nobody is perfect!    
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:54 pm

More Singapore F1 Grand Prix pictures from friend Rita Xiumè
There are full pages of them. A really great album!

http://s1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj583/ritaxium/Singapore%202012/

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Sauber wants to sign Schumi!

           

Berlin: Sauber chief executive Monisha Kaltenborn said on Monday that the Swiss outfit were interested in signing German Michael Schumacher when his contract with Mercedes expires in 2013.
...
"Of course it's nice to think of such a possibility, that we can ask ourselves if we can get a seven-time world champion when he is on the market,"

http://sports.ndtv.com/formula-1/new...sted-in-signing-michael-schumacher

He will bring truckloads of fans and big $$$$$ sponsors to the team. Sauber has everything to gain from signing him in! Could allow a much much better car is they get those bug $$$$ sponsors!

              

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Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
He will bring truckloads of fans and big $$$$$ sponsors to the team. Sauber has everything to gain from signing him in! Could allow a much much better car is they get those bug $$$$ sponsors!

Yup, that certainly helped Mercedes, didn't it...

Magic Schumacher and his boatloads of money, going to develop an amazing car somehow...
 
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:28 pm

I think Schumacher should just retire on his $660m and be happy with what he had. Joining Sauber at his stage of his career would be embarrassing. Not that Sauber are a bad team, they aren't but they generally hire up and coming drivers (Perez being a prime example who is now going to a big top 3 team), not F1 hasbeens.
 
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:43 pm

Schumi already drove for Sauber, when he was part of the Mercedes Junior Team back in 1991. Peter Sauber was in charge of running the Mercs at Le Mans at the end of 80s/beginning of 90s. He drove alongside Karl Wendlinger and Fritz Kreutzpointner.

Maybe he could join Sauber next year, just to loop the loop  
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 25):
Joining Sauber at his stage of his career would be embarrassing.

Not at all.

Schumi could very well walk in, talk to them, make an offer and buy them off. He would then become the team owner.


        
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:37 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
Schumi could very well walk in, talk to them, make an offer and buy them off. He would then become the team owner.

No he wont, he's just announced his retirement. Not too soon, IMHO.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19826983

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"Although I am still able to compete with the best drivers, at some point it is good to say goodbye," said Schumacher, 43.

"During the past month I was not sure if I still had the motivation and energy which is necessary to go on."

Some would certainly dispute his first point.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:07 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 28):
Not too soon, IMHO.

It will be a long time until we see another 7 Times F1 World Champion.

You should show a bit more respect, please. He is the greatest F1 driver in History. The one with the most world titles. LIke it or not.

He has not yet said his last word. Retiring from driving does not mean retiring from F1. He could still very well buy off the Sauber team as Peter Sauber will retire at the end of this season.

  
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:33 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
Not at all.

Schumi could very well walk in, talk to them, make an offer and buy them off. He would then become the team owner.

I highly doubt he would do that. Peter Sauber bought it back from BMW, he wouldn't sell it to anybody.

You seem to think the ground he walks on is hallowed. He's a good F1 driver, the best ON PAPER, but he is not the best driver. Not by far.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:42 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
You should show a bit more respect, please.

Not so sure he has to - respect is earned.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
He is the greatest F1 driver in History. The one with the most world titles. LIke it or not.

Hardly - his titles were largely a product of being with a team that could spend an essentially unlimited amount of money, do a serious amount of testing, and run the car almost as much as they wanted. When the testing rules really started to bite, Ferrari started to lose their grip on titles.

Lets go back to those rules and see if Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton could win year after year - I'm betting one of them would.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:48 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 30):
You seem to think the ground he walks on is hallowed.

We are all entitled to having different opinions. Schumi is so much more than a "good" driver. All F1 drivers are good drivers or they would not be there in first place. I always enjoy watching all of them racing and meeting them in person.

Yet, there are some of them who are far superior to the pack and Schumi is certainly one of those. It's undeniable.

Schumi is also a very wise investor. Let's see if he buys off the Sauber team. The official news should be out before the season is over. There are talks between them but let's see if it will become real.

  
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:45 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
You should show a bit more respect, please.

Why?

While I don't disagree he has achieved a lot in the sport, there is a big, big difference between respecting one's talents and achievements and respecting one as a man. Schumacher has talent by the bucketload, but his questionable ethics and sportsmanship is what I (and apparently many others) dislike about him. Taking out Hill in Adelaide 1994 to win the title; trying to do the same to Villeneuve in 1997 but thankfully failing; taking Barrichello's win in Austria 2002 even when he is miles in front in the championship; parking his car at Rascasse to red flag a qualifying session and prevent anyone else from beating his time ... those are not the hallmarks of a champion, but of someone who has no idea of what the words "ethics" and "sportsmanship" mean.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:58 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 32):
We are all entitled to having different opinions. Schumi is so much more than a "good" driver. All F1 drivers are good drivers or they would not be there in first place. I always enjoy watching all of them racing and meeting them in person.

Yet, there are some of them who are far superior to the pack and Schumi is certainly one of those. It's undeniable.

Schumi is also a very wise investor. Let's see if he buys off the Sauber team. The official news should be out before the season is over. There are talks between them but let's see if it will become real.

Indeed, I am not denying your opinion, just as I have mine, however, I don't rate him as that good a driver. He's the best, on paper, sure, but theory doesn't always translate to practicality. 7 WDC is nothing to shake a stick at, however, coming back was a mistake. He was constantly outpaced by Rosberg, he hasn't won anything (including a Pole he didn't actually get) and a single podium this year.

I don't think he will buy Sauber. I'd put the 2nd coming of Dinasours coming before that, to be honest. Peter Sauber has not announced he is looking for a buyer, and he bought it back from BMW anyway, so I doubt he'd sell it again.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 33):
While I don't disagree he has achieved a lot in the sport, there is a big, big difference between respecting one's talents and achievements and respecting one as a man. Schumacher has talent by the bucketload, but his questionable ethics and sportsmanship is what I (and apparently many others) dislike about him. Taking out Hill in Adelaide 1994 to win the title; trying to do the same to Villeneuve in 1997 but thankfully failing; taking Barrichello's win in Austria 2002 even when he is miles in front in the championship; parking his car at Rascasse to red flag a qualifying session and prevent anyone else from beating his time ... those are not the hallmarks of a champion, but of someone who has no idea of what the words "ethics" and "sportsmanship" mean.

+1. He was talented but his talent was tainted by his desire to win through stopping others from doing do fairly. That is why he is not the greatest in the world.

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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 31):
Not so sure he has to - respect is earned.

I've got a list of people you can tell that to.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 34):
I don't think he will buy Sauber. I'd put the 2nd coming of Dinasours coming before that, to be honest. Peter Sauber has not announced he is looking for a buyer, and he bought it back from BMW anyway, so I doubt he'd sell it again.

Probably the silliest thing he could do. I don't fancy Schumacher as a team principal. It would be interesting to see how he would go negotiating with Bernie.

Didn't Sauber gift a stake to Monisha Kaltenborn earlier in the year?
 
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:56 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
He is the greatest F1 driver in History.

That "fact" is open to debate. There are several drivers from the early years of F1 that I personally would rate higher than Schumacher.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
The one with the most world titles.

That cannot be disputed.
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 34):
+1. He was talented but his talent was tainted by his desire to win through stopping others from doing do fairly. That is why he is not the greatest in the world.

        

Even in his comeback.... and the rookie mistake in Singapore!!!
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:13 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
You should show a bit more respect, please. He is the greatest F1 driver in History

I would for sure not say he is THE greatest driver in history. Should we even start looking at his faul plays? He has nothing to say when it comes to Hamilton, Button, Alonso, Raikkonen etc. etc.
A great/fast driver he WAS during his era. But he will never be that fast again. No matter what car you put him in.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 32):
Yet, there are some of them who are far superior to the pack and Schumi is certainly one of those

He WAS! You seem to forget that his comeback has not brought anything to the sport apart from embarrasement. He's nothing but a shadow of himself.

You mention respect.
Schumi is most likely the worst driver on the grid when it comes to show other drivers respect, so what comes around goes around.

I was never positive about his comeback in general, and it has only been a big PR stunt.
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RE: F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:43 pm

Again, we are all entitled to having different opinions about Schumi the driver and Schumi the man.

Whatever he gets into in his after-driving life I can only wish him every bit of happiness and success.

  
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