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Should Romney Be Elected?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:07 pm

We have a thread asking if Obama should be re-elected, but not one focused on Romney. So let's get one started.

I'll start off with a bit "No!"

Reasons?

To me the guy is a plastic politician, working hard to deflect anything that might show where he is heading. Closing Loopholes? Won't say which ones, but my bet is that the middle class gets the hit.

Obviously the Income Tax Returns is a major issue, especially for a guy who stashes money overseas. Swill Bank Accounts? Doesn't fly with me if you want to be President.

Actually, there are too many reasons to list and you's need that Etch-A-Sketch to keep track of his changes in position.

So, nope. Romney is the little man on the wedding cake - without the mustache.
 
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:13 pm

Most points covered above - he's way out of touch. I think we'll see him being shown up in the October debates. After he loses in November he'll go back to one of his enormous mansions and be forgotten about pretty quickly.

What I don't understand is that how he can say that because he's a business man he'll be a good president. Sure, he may know how to keep the financials in check, but what about all the other things that a president needs to know about?
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 1):
he may know how to keep the financials in check

And if he would offer real DETAILS and make this financials his agenda items 1-10, I think he could have Reagan style popularity.
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...but instead he is a new style Republican who harps on God, Gays and Guns ten times a day. Obama has it won unless he makes a major misstep sometime soon.

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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:25 pm

We elected Clinton, Bush and Obama so why not Romney?
 
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:41 pm

I think indeed both what the incumbent has done and proposes, and what the contender offers, are important to consider. For example the Spaniards didn't like austerity imposed by the Socialists, so they elected the other guy without caring about his platform, which of course was twice more austerity (and undoing some social reforms that the people actually liked).

In France most of what Sarkozy did was rejected, and in fact he had to undo some of it himself (for example tax cuts for the rich at the beginning of his mandate were scrapped at the end), but in the end he stuck to his previous campaign of seduction towards the extreme right, except half of those he seduced last time thought he fooled them and just didn't vote this time, while half the center right was frightened and voted Socialist.

Even if I try to follow the US elections, I'm not seeing it from there or with a US citizen view, to me Obama is center right and if pitted against Romney here the election would give Obama 75% of the vote easily, in fact our right loves him !
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:48 pm

I could care less how rich or pompous he is. He's a rich guy, so are most of our other presidents. I won't go into who was born into wealth, who was self-made, who got help from his daddy, etc because I don't care.

He could be a big douchebag for all I care... if he had realistic, good plans (with well defined details) I'd probably vote for him. Also, willingness to go to war with Iran is a big one for me (please don't.) But for me, the economy is first and foremost in this election. I believe he has a good understanding of it, I'm just not sure if he'd fix it the way it needs to me (I'm not calling for a stereotypical all out liberal nanny state, but I think we need something left of the GOP, something in the center.) Not sure if Romney or Ryan are the men to do it
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:02 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):

willingness to go to war with Iran is a big one for me (please don't

The average person in the states is is their 30s. For a lot of people, a vote for Republicans means voting for war in the Middle East, that is their memory and still more or less Republican policy, its been the Bush family obsession.
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If Romeny could guarantee there will be no war with Iran or anyone else (unless attacked), he would pick up many of the swing voters who have simply made not wanting more war their key issue.

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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:04 am

Also to consider is the shared power in the US, so what does it mean to have Obama/GOP house/50/50 senate or other combinations. Romney could be "moderate" himself but have to sign on crazy stuff from his party.

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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 7):
Romney could be "moderate" himself but have to sign on crazy stuff from his party.

Not really, he could easily veto something. Hell would be raised, but just because there is only 1 GOP president and hundreds of GOP Congressmen/women doesn't mean he has to "go along" with everything they push through

Quoting pu (Reply 6):
For a lot of people, a vote for Republicans means voting for war in the Middle East, that is their memory and still more or less Republican policy, its been the Bush family obsession.

Most people I've talked to are focusing on the economy. They absolutely think that the President has caused/prolonged/__insert here____ the economic crisis and that almost anyone can do better. Contrary to popular belief, they would not elect a monkey over the President Obama (unless of course they thought the monkey would do a better job.)

People like to over think this election and why people are voting for Romney. Many on the other side come up with crazy things. I am around a lot of Romney supporters and they are simple people like you and me (even foreigners...) they want a good economy. They just don't agree on which candidate will do a better job. Nothing radical or anything
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:41 am

Obama has been largely a failure: massive deficits which will impoverish future generations and no concrete action on the economy. Obama does not deserve to be re-elected, which means (by default) tha Romney does deserve to be elected.

Romney, as a businessman, has a better skillset to help lead America's economic recovery than Obama, who has never run a business, or had to meet a payroll or even worked in the private sector,
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:26 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
Most people I've talked to are focusing on the economy. They absolutely think that the President has caused/prolonged/__insert here____ the economic crisis and that almost anyone can do better

The fiasco in Europe is knockng 1-2% off America's GDP growth and stifling domestic hiring. The euro crisis has added record strength to the dollar which as usual has hurt the US economy, made exports more expensive to overseas buyers and made investing abroad cheaper than nvesting/hiring at home.

Any preisdent would be in the same position, America no longer writes its own ticket economically - the rest of the world is much more influential.

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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:28 am

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
Closing Loopholes? Won't say which ones, but my bet is that the middle class gets the hit.

That would be interesting considering that some liberals seem to think that tax deductions and loopholes can only be used by the rich, despite a complete inability to show where the tax code says so.

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 1):
Most points covered above - he's way out of touch.

What presidential candidate isn't? I doubt anyone complained about Kennedy being too rich. I don't want an everyman president, because the everyman is kind of a dumbass.

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 1):
After he loses in November he'll go back to one of his enormous mansions and be forgotten about pretty quickly.

He's already done no matter what happens in the election. If I were him I'd find it awfully tempting to not refile those overpaid tax returns and flip a double barreled bird while getting on the plane for some island.

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 1):
What I don't understand is that how he can say that because he's a business man he'll be a good president.

He's not just any businessman, but a private equity guy who specialized in taking over struggling companies, cutting the failed parts, retooling and refocusing the parts that work and selling at a profit. A large portion of the government could use a similar treatment.

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 1):
Sure, he may know how to keep the financials in check, but what about all the other things that a president needs to know about?

How much do you think Eisenhower knew about running an economy? Clinton was far from being a military expert for that matter. Nobody on the planet knows enough to do the job without their army of advisers, so suffice to say that whoever is president will have people around them to keep other things in check.

Quoting pu (Reply 6):
For a lot of people, a vote for Republicans means voting for war in the Middle East, that is their memory and still more or less Republican policy, its been the Bush family obsession.

First of all, that's a flawed memory since Clinton spent a pretty good chunk of his term sending American planes and troops overseas to Iraq, Bosnia, and Kosovo.

And I think you'd be hard pressed to find a modern president who wouldn't have reacted similarly to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Hell, I bet a lot of them would have marched all the way to Baghdad in 1991.

George W. was just a neocon and a born again Christian Zionist, which isn't something shared by the entirety of the Republican party by any stretch.
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:33 am

Quoting pu (Reply 10):

I'm not arguing one position or another. I'm saying what others I talk to tend to think. As far as what I think, I try not to get into that because the Commander-in-Chief is my boss  

Basically my point is the reasons I see many voting for Romney are straight forward and simple, despite others disagreeing. It isn't for some crazy reason, and most people I know aren't "voting for war with Iran."

I personally think that even Romney wouldn't go for a full-on invasion, but I do not wish to find out
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:45 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
That would be interesting considering that some liberals seem to think that tax deductions and loopholes can only be used by the rich, despite a complete inability to show where the tax code says so.

Yet is Romney saying that he will close loopholes.. the ones that can be used by everyone. Raising effective tax rates for everyone.

You cant deny that the "rich" - for whatever reason - use these loopholes more often that the "poor"

So, BMI727 Which ones do you think he would cut?

Very interesting indeed...
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:50 am

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
To me the guy is a plastic politician,


That is pretty funny coming from someone who supports Obama. Pres Obama is the perfect politician.

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 1):
What I don't understand is that how he can say that because he's a business man he'll be a good president. Sure, he may know how to keep the financials in check, but what about all the other things that a president needs to know about?


Right now that is by far the most important thing in the election right now.

Quoting pu (Reply 2):
Obama has it won unless he makes a major misstep sometime soon.


I somewhat agree with you but the debates will be interesting. I saw Romney on 60minutes today and that was the best I have seen him. He spoke well, gave some specifics and when he did not he gave the reasons why he does not have the specifics. If he can do what he did today on 60 minutes in the debate this is going to be a very close race.

Quoting pu (Reply 6):
If Romeny could guarantee there will be no war with Iran or anyone else (unless attacked),


No one will guarantee that. If they do they are lying.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 9):
Obama has been largely a failure: massive deficits which will impoverish future generations and no concrete action on the economy. Obama does not deserve to be re-elected, which means (by default) tha Romney does deserve to be elected.


Bingo! Romney is not the best guy in the world to be president but Obama has failed. He has not even kept many of his own promises. He continues to be smoke and mirrors with some big government splashed in.


Let me tell a little story from a friend of mine who is one of the guys running their family business. This family business has about 150 employees and they serve the low income areas of Miami. Issue number 1, Obamacare is going to cost them a lot of money. It is going to cost them so much money that they are thinking about selling their business to a larger company. This is the problem with America right now, large companies are eating everything up. None of the sides are doing anything to stop this.


Also a recent employee of theirs who was with the company for 15 years decided to take a job at a large company. They told her not to leave, she would just be a "number" to them. She left and a few months later was fired and pleaded for her job back. They gave it to her.

After one day of working she did the math and told my friend that she would make a little bit less using unemployment so she quit. She filed for unemployment saying she could not work at the company due to some 7th day Saturday religion or something. My friend, her and the unemployment agency (whatever it is) had a phone conference. My friend let the agency know that the lady worked for them previously for 15 years and always worked on Saturdays. She mad an bbvious lie. Well they got a letter back saying my friend's company would not have to pay for unemployment but the government was still giving her unemployment money. So tax money. They decided this after an obvious lie.
^This is what the United States of America is coming to. We are certainly not moving forward.


I think everyone who thinks Romeny is all about the rich needs to watch his interview with 60 minutes.
A. Romney his whole entire life has cared about people less fortunate than him he wont stop now and he can't win an election if he does.
B. Romney believes that medicare and social security should give more benefits to the people that need it the most low income people. He knows he does not need medicare much or social security but others do. He also wants to close down loopholes for everyone yes. Another thing he wants to do is make the capital gains tax 0% for MIDDLE CLASS people not for wealthy Americans. He has no problem paying 14% on capital gains, he does have a problem that a family making $100k does.

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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:40 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
This is the problem with America right now, large companies are eating everything up. None of the sides are doing anything to stop this.

That is the work of the free market, big corporations use their economies of scale to muscle out small businesses that simply do not have the ability to keep costs in line.

This is the Wal Mart effect
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:36 am

This is a thread about Romney. Obama has failed isn't a great argument for Romney. And "he's a businessman" falls a bit short, especially when you consider his background, it's not like he dreamed up his company while flipping burgers at McDonald's and seeded it with his hard earned money.

In fact, I wonder if there are statistics about the wealth of people 20 years after Harvard ? I doubt many are in trouble financially.
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 16):
And "he's a businessman" falls a bit short, especially when you consider his background

Specially since this year he chose to pay more taxes this past year that he was required to pay. What kind of business man is willing to leave money on the table?
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 17):

The problem with that statement you made about him paying more taxes is if he paid the lowest rate possible you would just complain about that. It's a lose-lose situation for him. A pathetic situation that people are attacking him about legally paying taxes.
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 1):
What I don't understand is that how he can say that because he's a business man he'll be a good president.

Just how good a businessman is this guy? Made a LOT of money for himself, but as a capital guy. Look at top businessmen during our lives. Lee Iacocca? I'd give him high marks. Alan Mullally? First rate businessman. Steve Jobs? Top of the line also.

These guys ran (or are running) companies that produce products and are involved in production. These are the guys that build jobs.

Quoting pu (Reply 6):
its been the Bush family obsession.

Bush I was probably the most effective President in a war time environment we have had. He quickly brought countries together, moved personnel & material into the area as fast as he could and let his top military people get on with doing the job at hand very professionally. He also had the wisdom to know when to end the hostilities.

Bush II was totally different. He listened to the absolute wrong people, like Cheney & Rummy, who really knew jack $hit about military needs in the area. I could care less about their "experience" in Defense Matters - they were playing game they should not have played. My guess is that Bush II didn't call his father for advice that would have been exceptionally valuable at that time.

Bush III? If you're talking about Jeb then I believe he is closer to his father than W in terms of international maturity. If you're talking about Mitt then I believe he will be closer to W when it comes to military conflicts. Especially if he gets a yo-yo like Bolton in a senior position.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
Most people I've talked to are focusing on the economy.

That is because Mitt has made so many dumb moves in other areas the economy is the only hope they have.

The odd thing is that, while the economy is difficult in many areas, it is also moving forward in other areas. I had to take a 2,000 mile road trip last week and was surprised at the number of big rigs on the road. There was the scattering of retailer trucks (like WalMart) but there was also a lot of open bed trucks carrying industrial parts or equipment.

I didn't count the trucks, but literally saw thousands on the interstate. It was pretty clear that there is a lot of "economic activity" going on with major movements of goods in both directions.

The GOP may not be able to count on a "bad economy" to get Willard elected.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 9):
Obama does not deserve to be re-elected, which means (by default) tha Romney does deserve to be elected.

Don't like Obama - that's clear. So write in Ron Paul and you'll probably be happier.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 9):
Romney, as a businessman, has a better skillset to help lead America's economic recovery than Obama, who has never run a business, or had to meet a payroll or even worked in the private sector,

A lot of people bring that up - meaning that a lot of people have forgotten that we had "businessmen" in the White House before. Bush II was an MBA and a "businessman" Even more impressive was Cheney, CEO of a major national corporation. (I think that Rummy was also CEO of a large company)

There you go - businessmen in the White House - just like some people believe is necessary TODAY.

How did those "businessmen" do? they delivered The Great Recession for starters. And started a totally unnecessary 10 year War, paid for with a credit card. They were loosing 750,000 jobs a month at the end of their businessmen led administration.

But, hey, the wealthy made huge strides under them.

Basically the best I can see for Mitt is that he would be Bush III a "Businessman President" - just like Bush III.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 12):
I personally think that even Romney wouldn't go for a full-on invasion,

Mitt doesn't know what he would do, but there will be a "Cheney" around to handle the situation, get Halliburton lined up for their contract to make billions and get that tax cut in before going into another long term war on the credit card.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 12):
but I do not wish to find out

Most Americans don't want to find out, but a plastic politician like Romney can be pushed and shoved into all sorts of decisions. Just look at W.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):

That is pretty funny coming from someone who supports Obama.

It's pretty easy to support Obama. First I look at all the FUBARs from Cheney/Bush, er, Bush/Cheney Years - including the Great Recession. Do I really want another "GOP Businessman" after the horrid Bush/Cheney Years? Not a chance.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
Obama has failed



Well, he turned the economic death spiral around, avoiding a full blown depression we were heading towards.

He got health care reform passed. Not as good as it could have been, but the best compromise when you look at large groups (like health insurance companies) that had to sign on. That, BTW, was a campaign pledge so it was no surprise that it would be on the table.

He also had the Party of No willing to do any harm to the country in order to ensure Obama was a one term president.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
He has not even kept many of his own promises.



He has kept some. He returned our focus on finding OBL and he gave the green light to kill him

Promised to move out of Iraq and has done a good job there.

Promised health care reform and delivered

More was possible, but the Party of No and the TPers kept that from happening.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
o cost them so much money that they are thinking about selling their business to a larger company. This is the problem with America right now, large companies are eating everything up. None of the sides are doing anything to stop this.

Maybe they should firsts look to the law for help in paying for that insurance - if they are even interested in covering those employees.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
Issue number 1, Obamacare is going to cost them a lot of money. It is going to cost them so much money that they are thinking about selling their business to a larger company.

Obviously your friend's company doesn't pay for health insurance on 150 employees. That means they generally have to go to the ER when they get sick, jacking up the costs of medicare for those who do have insurance. Also creating a 4 hour wait for those with insurance who go to the ER for legitimate reasons. That friend is part of the problem that made ObamaCare critical.



So if your friend sells have them call Bain Capital. They might as well make the money as your friend is pretty much a Romney Supporter.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
I doubt anyone complained about Kennedy being too rich.

JFK wasn't known for Swiss Bank Accounts, Bahamas & Caribbean tax free accounts, etc. Top rate when JFK was elected was 90% and he had that lowered to 75%. The country did well under that 75% top rate and

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
A large portion of the government could use a similar treatment.

Last time we moved Republican businessmen into the WHite House we ended up with The Great Recession. Who was the last Republican Businessman in the White House who actually did a good job for the country?n Can anyone remember one? (Rockefeller excluded - a VP and one called in to fill an empty seat in a difficult time.)

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
After one day of working she did the math and told my friend that she would make a little bit less using unemployment so she quit.

WHich pretty well indicates that your friend paid minimum wage, no health insurance and probably nothing else in terms of benefits. ]

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
This is what the United States of America is coming to.

Minimum wage jobs? Sure sounds like it.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
We are certainly not moving forward.

Not when companies like that one shrink the middle class instead of growing it.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 15):
This is the Wal Mart effect

WalMart started off very small and grew initially by serving small communities.
 
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
Just how good a businessman is this guy? Made a LOT of money for himself
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
These are the guys that build jobs.

Since when did business become about building jobs? It's all about making money. I can't see why people are criticizing him for that, it's like getting mad at a dog for barking. It's what they do. I can see not wanting to vote for him because of that reason, but saying he's not a good businessman, well, is untrue IMO

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
That is because Mitt has made so many dumb moves in other areas the economy is the only hope they have.

Not really, economy is just the top of most people's mind I find. If he had a solid plan that I think would turn the country around, I'd vote for him, despite his many short comings. Economy is key in this election to me and many others. JMO
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
The problem with that statement you made about him paying more taxes is if he paid the lowest rate possible you would just complain about that. It's a lose-lose situation for him. A pathetic situation that people are attacking him about legally paying taxes.

He paid taxes, but the issues on past returns would be interesting to see if he was involved in any of the "repatriation" of money from swiss banks or the like? Did he have a better financial understanding and footing for the recession?
Small details that may or not make hime or break him.



I will not be voting for Romney due to the following.
1. He was not the favorite choice amongs the GOP, he only became the default choice when everyone else was deemed a loser in a race against Obama
2. He helped architect Romneycare to give health options to the state of massachusettes, where it is working, and now wants to tear down Obama Care for the nation.
3. He has consistantly proved that an etch-a-sketch is his best platform. He ran as a moderate for governor of massachusetts, and is now a Strong Conservative for the GOP in 2012
4. Romney's gaff on the war on libya and the 47% indicate some questionable circles for his ideas of the people and policies of the US.
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
It's a lose-lose situation for him. A pathetic situation that people are attacking him about legally paying taxes.

Its not a loose-loose. There is a lot to be said about honesty.

Right now, he is lying to your face.. how do you feel about that?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 20):
Since when did business become about building jobs? I

Exactly! So how does his "businessman" credentials help to be a better President?

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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 13):
So, BMI727 Which ones do you think he would cut?

Well considering that

Quoting mt99 (Reply 13):
Yet is Romney saying that he will close loopholes.. the ones that can be used by everyone. Raising effective tax rates for everyone.

I don't have any reason to think otherwise.

Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
A pathetic situation that people are attacking him about legally paying taxes.

  

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
Made a LOT of money for himself, but as a capital guy. Look at top businessmen during our lives. Lee Iacocca? I'd give him high marks. Alan Mullally? First rate businessman. Steve Jobs? Top of the line also.

These guys ran (or are running) companies that produce products and are involved in production. These are the guys that build jobs.

I guess Staples just has an abnormally high proportion of customers who wear red shirts and help people. What about Domino's?

Just to get this straight, in your warped world running a company that employs people is good but running a company that owns companies that employ people is bad?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
Mitt doesn't know what he would do, but there will be a "Cheney" around to handle the situation, get Halliburton lined up for their contract to make billions and get that tax cut in before going into another long term war on the credit card.

Damn right. War is great business, which is why invading Iran would be bad. You can't go around getting rid of boogeymen because eventually you will run out and then won't be able to justify keeping the gravy train rolling. I need the Iranians and Israelis to rattle their sabres.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
JFK wasn't known for Swiss Bank Accounts, Bahamas & Caribbean tax free accounts, etc. Top rate when JFK was elected was 90% and he had that lowered to 75%.

His dad just made a pile of cash via insider trading.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
Last time we moved Republican businessmen into the WHite House we ended up with The Great Recession.

Of course if you weren't dumb enough to buy into the bubble you could have made a lot of money between the 9/11 recession and the housing crash.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 20):
Since when did business become about building jobs? It's all about making money.

  
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
Quoting mt99 (Reply 13):
Yet is Romney saying that he will close loopholes.. the ones that can be used by everyone. Raising effective tax rates for everyone.

I don't have any reason to think otherwise.

Cool.. so tell me - Which loopholes would you recommend closing?
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 24):
Cool.. so tell me - Which loopholes would you recommend closing?

I'd just switch to Fair Tax.
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 25):
Quoting mt99 (Reply 24):
Cool.. so tell me - Which loopholes would you recommend closing?

I'd just switch to Fair Tax.

But that is not what he is proposing....  

Again - what loopholes would you recommend him closing?
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
Bingo! Romney is not the best guy in the world to be president but Obama has failed. He has not even kept many of his own promises. He continues to be smoke and mirrors with some big government splashed in.

Obama has lied his way in office and he will lie his way out. And his big government and redistribution ideas concerns me.

Yes on Romney.Romney isn't the best guy.Make the adjustment again in four.But get Obama out of there.I did post why I didn't like to re-elect Obama in that other thread.

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Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 26):
Again - what loopholes would you recommend him closing?

I'd recommend him switching to Fair Tax, which basically has no loopholes.
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
Quoting mt99 (Reply 26):
Again - what loopholes would you recommend him closing?

I'd recommend him switching to Fair Tax, which basically has no loopholes.

But obvious he doesn't like the Fair Tax idea - Which current loophole do you think it would be most useful to close?
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:45 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 29):
Which current loophole do you think it would be most useful to close?

Honestly, none of them. Raising taxes in a weak economy is a poor idea. (That was one of several things FDR did to prolong the Great Depression)
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:48 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 20):
Since when did business become about building jobs? It's all about making money.

So his experience is about making money, not building jobs?

Is that why he was one of the lowest rated governors in building jobs?

That's what you want for a President?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 20):
If he had a solid plan

If he had a solid plan he would make it public. Right now all we have is him saying he has a "Plan". Sort of like Nixon having a "Secret Plan" to end the war in Vietnam.

Is Romney's plan a "Plan" or a "Secret Plan"?         

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
I guess Staples just has an abnormally high proportion of customers who wear red shirts and help people. What about Domino's?

Mitt CEO or President of Staples? Full time job there?

And Domino's - what did he do there? Get involved in test kitchen evals? What did he do there? And did he do it better than 9! 9! 9! Cain at running a pizza company?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
His dad just made a pile of cash via insider trading.

And he didn't get elected. Didn't even run.

And obviously Romney didn't benefit from insider knowledge.  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
Of course if you weren't dumb enough to buy into the bubble you could have made a lot of money between the 9/11 recession and the housing crash.

That is your only answer for a Republican Businessman who did a good job in the White House?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 25):
I'd just switch to Fair Tax.

Where? In some Utopian seaside country?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
I'd recommend him switching to Fair Tax, which basically has no loopholes.

Someone was talking about lobbying the other day on TV and made an interesting comment; American business spends more money on Lobbyists (and related activity) than they do on taxes.

And you really believe there would be no "loopholes"?  Wow!

How about all those special credits, like the $4 Billion for he oil industry? What happens to that money?
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 31):
Mitt CEO or President of Staples? Full time job there?

More like provided capital to get it off the ground and spent fifteen years as a board member.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 31):
And Domino's - what did he do there?

Bought the company and during the Bain years Domino's opened over 1,000 stores. None of them, of course, employed anyone.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 31):
And you really believe there would be no "loopholes"?

Under Fair Tax they wouldn't need them, since there would be no corporate income tax.
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 20):

Since when did business become about building jobs?

Because there are millions in Oklahoma, Indiana and Texas who shop at Walmart because they are streteched to make ends meet yet are still saying things like the rich should pay a lower rate in taxes (a low capital gains tax rate) because rich businessmen create jobs when they've got extra capital on their hands.

As you correctly point out, they don't create jobs, they chase higher returns. This means electronic cross border financial transactions are more preferred than investing in a new company or building a factory in America. They would rather finance a fatory in China to produce goods currently made in America as opposed to invest in America.

So there is a disconnect in that a lot of people are still thinking this is Reagan's era or earlier when the only real vehicles for large investors were stateside and that businessmen doing well is good for all Americans.

Not true anymore.

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Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:47 pm

Let's cut to the chase....

That fact of the manner is democrats just don't like business people in politics.Look what happen to Meg and Carly in Ca.This whole election and debates here have to do with Romney's taxes and wealth.Business people are hated by the democrats because they will cut, organize and downsize,

I would hit big time on Obama 16 trillion deficit.

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Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting pu (Reply 33):
As you correctly point out, they don't create jobs, they chase higher returns. This means electronic cross border financial transactions are more preferred than investing in a new company or building a factory in America.

There's no need to punish them for that.

Quoting pu (Reply 33):
They would rather finance a fatory in China to produce goods currently made in America as opposed to invest in America.

Who wouldn't? China has lower costs and an emerging market while America...doesn't. America will greet you with people who want to raise taxes and volume after volume of regulation.

Those are the barriers that need to be minimized in addition to creating an educated workforce to make America an attractive investment location.

Quoting pu (Reply 33):
Not true anymore.

No it isn't. America is going to have to work harder than ever to maintain a spot as a world leading economy.
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 32):
More like provided capital to get it off the ground and spent fifteen years as a board member.

So he picked up Director Fees for 15 years and didn't even have to work, even at an executive level.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 32):
Bought the company and during the Bain years Domino's opened over 1,000 stores. None of them, of course, employed anyone.

Sounds like Herman Cain. Except Cain was more involved.

Again, outside of playing the capital game where has Romney worked in a business, even as an executive,

As far as his successes go there are also going to be failures that will be put up for public review before the election. Yet again. And there will be some nasty failures that will be hard to defend.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 32):
since there would be no corporate income tax.

Great way to increase the national debt.

And to dump it on those in the middle class - or lower.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 36):
So he picked up Director Fees for 15 years and didn't even have to work, even at an executive level.

There was also the small matter of the capital and guidance that came from Bain.

What do you think people who work in private equity do all day? Count money? Plot how to screw American workers?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 36):
Again, outside of playing the capital game where has Romney worked in a business, even as an executive,

The capital game is working in a business. It's obvious you just don't like Romney, but you make yourself look stupid trying to conjure up reasons why. Just say you don't like him because he's rich or whatever and own it.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 36):
Great way to increase the national debt.

And to dump it on those in the middle class - or lower

It might seem that way. Unless of course one bothers to actually understand how Fair Tax would work.
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:41 pm

I just watched an interview of an economist talking about the global economy and especially the situation in Europe, but he mentioned that in the US two thirds of the growth goes to the 1%ers ! I doubt a "fair tax" would make that fairer.
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:01 am

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 34):
That fact of the manner is democrats just don't like business people in politics.Look what happen to Meg and Carly in Ca

That just proves the Dems don't like useless CEOs. Given how well HP is doing I'm pretty glad California didn't end up with either of them.

I don't think Democrats particularly hate businesspeople as such- just the concept that the government should be run as a business. If somebody is a good businessperson it really doesn't translate to being a good president; balancing the books is just one part of the job.

Arguably now we need a technocrat more than a businessperson, but even that is useless with Congress deadlocked.
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 22):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 20):
Since when did business become about building jobs? I

Exactly! So how does his "businessman" credentials help to be a better President?

Well I posted in another thread about this already, but you cannot deny being a successful businessman builds leadership. Now you may disagree with his policies 100% but can you deny the fact that he has leadership?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 31):
That's what you want for a President?

I think I've made it fairly clear he's far from my first pick. I've got only a little longer if I'm going to 1: vote third party or stick with the major two parties and 2: if I stick with the two major parties, who would I pick (that is a toughie)
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:04 am

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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 40):
but can you deny the fact that he has leadership?

Yes. He is lying to you face by choosing to pay more taxes. Is that leadership? Flip-floping.. is that leadership?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 30):
Quoting mt99 (Reply 29):
Which current loophole do you think it would be most useful to close?

Honestly, none of them. Raising taxes in a weak economy is a poor idea. (That was one of several things FDR did to prolong the Great Depression)

SO do you don't agree with Romney' economic "plan" then.. Do you?
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:07 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 41):

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 40):
but can you deny the fact that he has leadership?

Yes. He is lying to you face by choosing to pay more taxes. Is that leadership? Flip-floping.. is that leadership?

What you are talking about???
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:16 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 42):
What you are talking about???

Oh come on. Lying to your face.. Great Leadership demonstrated

"Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney chose to pay more in taxes than he needed to, forgoing about $250,000 in deductions to keep his tax rate above 13 percent."

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ral-tax-rate-in-2011-campaign-says
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:18 am

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 9):
Romney, as a businessman, has a better skillset to help lead America's economic recovery than Obama, who has never run a business, or had to meet a payroll or even worked in the private sector,

The biggest misconception out there.

Business is not interchangeable with politics.

Business is also not interchangeable with other businesses.

Could Romney run American Airlines? Delta Airlines?

No he couldn't, he'd run them just like Carl Icahn and Frank Lorenzo..he's cut each airline into pieces selling off the most prized assets shredding them to pieces. That is his business skillset. It's exactly what has made him wealthy. Sure he aided (and profited from Home Depot & Baskin Robbins) but neither are IBM, Microsoft well-paying type businesses..all the companies he's 'saved' are minimum wage enterprises.

After all their merging and destruction of 1000s of lives..there's not a person today who can say the airline industry is better off than it was 20-25 years ago. Working for them has gone from enjoyment to practically grueling. The experience if you has the pleasure of the 80s or 70s or 60s... is a complete disaster although back in the same period there was no PTV. It still doesn't compare.

Guys who've turned around airlines like Gordon Bethune actually know how to run a business and can probably run any business. Seeking out struggling and weak businesses and then taking a scapel to them and shredding them is no skill, it's a matter being heartless and not caring what happens to those hurt by your predatory craft. by definition..a sociopath. In Romney's case a gold plated sociopath.

The real deal on Mitt's skills...

Here’s what private equity is really about: A firm like Bain obtains cheap credit and uses it to acquire a company in a
"leveraged buyout." "Leverage" refers to the fact that the company being purchased is forced to pay for about 70 percent of its own acquisition, by taking out loans. If this sounds like an odd arrangement, that's because it is. Imagine a homebuyer purchasing a house and making the bank responsibe for repaying its own loan, and you start to get the picture.. But leveraged buyouts don't only hurt businesses, workers, and the economy generally – they also short-change taxpayers, via a giant loophole in the tax code that enables companies to deduct loan interest from taxes. The provision was originally intended to encourage borrowing to build new factories, not to finance leveraged buyouts. But, according to Notre Dame Professor Brad Badertscher, private equity -owned companies paid a 22 percent tax rate before being bought, and only 10 percent the year after being acquired.
That adds up to a savings of $130 billion in taxes since 2000."

In 1989, Romney led Bain Capital's purchase of Damon Corp., a medical testing company, and took a seat on the Board of Directors to better manage it. During Romney's four years, Bain tripled its investment, and Romney personally made $473,000 -- while Damon plumped its profits with Medicare fraud (running thousands of medical tests doctors didn't want, and billing Medicare for them). The company pled guilty to crimes committed during his tenure and paid a record fine of $119 million. Company President Joseph Isola pleaded no contest to fraud, and a vice president was also convicted.


Romney claims he "uncovered" the fraudulent claims and "took corrective action," but court records show that he did not notify prosecutors or stop the fraudulent billing. He just asked company lawyers what changes they could make to avoid prosecution, after the feds' LABSCAM prosecution targeted a different medical testing firm.


The cheating continued, prosecutors say, until the day Bain sold the company to Corning. Furthermore, Damon Corp. was required to list in various SEC filings any significant legal risks it faced. Romney made no mention of the fraud he "uncovered," even though it led to a $119 million fine,the largest in history. Damon Corp. is another Bain acquisition that later went bankrupt, killing over a thousand jobs -- but not before Bain made
$7.4 million in profit.

What he knows is how to fleece tax payes and investors but at that he's an expert.

If he was so good in Business...he would NOT have need a 1.3 Billion Tax Payer hand out to 'save' the Salt Lake Olympics.. his business skills (like the 1 Billion in campaign fund raising) should have came in handy..but no, fleecing taxpayers was better route. So handouts for him...are okay, but for the elderly, vets and those in real need... those people are not worthy.


Government cannot be ran like a business, those who think it can, no nothing about business nor gov't beyond the superficial pale.

Why can 't he run a government..let's look at his Government Running History..

Mitt Romney left office in Massachusetts in 2006 with the lowest approval rating of any governor in the history of the commonwealth (just 35%). Moreover, he was so unpopular by the time he left office that his Lt. Governor and chosen successor, Kerry Healy, was trounced in the election to succeed Mitt by one of Obama's close friends, Deval Patrick (who has since gone on to a re-election into his second term).

Mitt's unpopularity was so great that he effectively ended the GOP's 16-year hold on the Massachusetts' governorship. To be fair, the three GOP governors that preceded Mitt were pretty moderate , and much more consistent with their campaign promises, but still, the degree to which BayStater's now loath Mr. Romney set the Massachusetts GOP back considerably on Beacon Hill.

The worst Governor in Massachusetts history is now bidding for President of the US...he was a disaster for ONE state..now some quickly ignore that and want to try him on 49 others..that to me defies all common sense.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
Romney is not the best guy in the world to be president but Obama has failed. He has not even kept many of his own promises.

And he has kept many others. You nor anyone else can name a President who has kept kept EVERY political promise he campaigned on..so your your disdain goes beyond that.

The same 'he has failed' argument was made by republicans about Clinton for 8 years! Non-Rush Limbaugh listeners were ignored...and rightfully so.

Of all that has been listed about Romney just 1 of those would kill Obama's chances. Just 1. If Obama had an off shore bank account - he'd be doomed. Romney has many..and they call him a success. Oddly, Patriotism goes out the window when cash is in the mix...unless it's Obama of course.

While Obama has failed..he has
.....advanced the plight of women.
He has advanced the rights of gay Americans (more than all other presidents combined - how any gay could not be happy with President I will never know - if a minority group of color ever saw this much advocacy from President in one term - they'd be so lucky).
He has bought about the end of troops in Iraq and closing shop in Afghanistan as Americans have had enough.
He has reversed the job hemmorraging under Bush. (i)When Bush left, GDP was at -9%, the lowest it had been in more than half a century. It had been negative for more than 5 consecutive quarters. We were losing almost a million jobs a month and each month 100,000 more than the previous month. That means a horrible downward spiral.

Obama COMPLETELY turned around the economy in 2009. By the end of 2009, GDP was at +6%, and it is still positive today. That means that Obama successfully averted a depression (= GDP at -10%) and ended the worst recession (= at least two consecutive quarters of negative GDP) in less than a year.(/i)

He has the most intensive and extensive global reach of US Foreign Policy the US has ever known or seen.
He's actively engaging the illegal immigration issue in a way to accomodate those here (to the chagrin of conservatives).
Harvard smart and yet very much able to identify with the common man...because he was one.
He clearly understands the need to keep America from looking like Mexico.. that a strong Middle Class is not only necessary ...but Essential!

From his days of being a high school bully to a Vietnam coward to a corporate raider he has painted a picture of himself as man who cares about his own skin ..period. He made that clear with his 'It's not my job to worry about those people " (the 47%) end quote. Bush background greatly indicated 'what kind of President he'd be and he did not fail at living up to that. And people said 'but he was a governor of a state..' yeah, so is Jan Brewer.



As President he will certainly allow Cheney & Rove input into his foreign policy circle. Halliburton and all those nightmares return and everyone wonders '...how did that happen?'

His personality trait indicates a huge lack of SINCERE empathy for America and the entire 300+ million Americans.

No, we don't need a President like that. Nothing close to that kind of track record will help the nation recover..there's not a single shred of proof, hint or suggestion in Romney's history to sustain the 'he can help America' argument.

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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:25 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 16):
Obama has failed isn't a great argument for Romney.

It is when most people consider only the Republican or Democratic candidate. The only other option is to not vote.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:25 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 43):

Okay 1: he did some gimmicky political stunt (every politician in existence has done that)
2: where did he lie? He paid more than 13%

Are you saying that Romney was able to be a businessman without possessing leadership?? Having a rich dad is a huge leg up but if you're a worthless, lazy follower that can't even lead your own feet you won't be a successful anything. If you disagree with that then I guess we'll never agree.

Saying he possesses leadership qualities doesn't mean you like the guy or agree with his policies. Hitler was an outstanding leader--look at what he was able to accomplish. Doesn't mean he was a good guy--far from it
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 46):
Having a rich dad is a huge leg up but if you're a worthless, lazy follower that can't even lead your own feet you won't be a successful anything.

I will agree with you there. Do you think that Obama has leadeship? or he got elected by being a lazy follower?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 46):
Okay 1: he did some gimmicky political stunt (every politician in existence has done that)

And stunts like these show leadership? I would think that owning up to your actions is what a leader would do? Hw should have done his taxes with all deduction allowed by law and the stand behind them, That is leadership!
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 41):
SO do you don't agree with Romney' economic "plan" then.. Do you?

I like it better than I like Obama's, but overall I don't think it's great.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
Business is not interchangeable with politics.

Neither is military service but that didn't stop Eisenhower. And I'd love for someone to explain how being an actor helped Ronald Reagan become a great president.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
Sure he aided (and profited from Home Depot & Baskin Robbins) but neither are IBM, Microsoft well-paying type businesses..all the companies he's 'saved' are minimum wage enterprises.

What an idiotic criterion. Exactly what does the average employee pay have to be for something to be considered a worthy business? How can you completely discount the successes that Romney and Bain have had?

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
Seeking out struggling and weak businesses and then taking a scapel to them and shredding them is no skill, it's a matter being heartless and not caring what happens to those hurt by your predatory craft.

First you say they are struggling and weak and then you say he doesn't care about those hurt. Would you care to explain how someone who's job has been cut or outsourced in an attempt to save a struggling company is better off than someone who loses their job when their company goes bankrupt? What you consider a "predatory craft" is actually more like recycling.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
by definition..a sociopath. In Romney's case a gold plated sociopath.

Care to back that up? Being rich does not mean being a sociopath.

And I say that as someone who exhibits some sociopathic characteristics. Personally, I consider my tendency to be cold and calculating while making focused decisions based only on my interests or those of people close to me to be a tremendous asset.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
Imagine a homebuyer purchasing a house and making the bank responsibe for repaying its own loan, and you start to get the picture.

Actually that's not accurate. The cash flows and proceeds from the sale of the asset are used to pay off the loan. And let's not forget that the groups providing funding are partners in all of this, private equity firms are not paperhanging at banks.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
But leveraged buyouts don't only hurt businesses, workers, and the economy generally

Not true. Plenty of successful companies employing many people have been involved with leveraged buyouts.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
they also short-change taxpayers, via a giant loophole in the tax code that enables companies to deduct loan interest from taxes.

Just like your mortgage.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
If he was so good in Business...he would NOT have need a 1.3 Billion Tax Payer hand out to 'save' the Salt Lake Olympics.. his business skills (like the 1 Billion in campaign fund raising) should have came in handy..but no, fleecing taxpayers was better route. So handouts for him...are okay, but for the elderly, vets and those in real need... those people are not worthy.

That's not an argument against Romney, that's an argument against hosting the Olympics.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
Government cannot be ran like a business, those who think it can, no nothing about business nor gov't beyond the superficial pale.

Government cannot be run as the opposite of a business either, which it has for far too long. As a result, it now has to become leaner and more efficient and social programs will have to go. What sort of person would know about making organizations leaner and more efficient?

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
Oddly, Patriotism goes out the window when cash is in the mix...unless it's Obama of course.

Patriotism has nothing to do with how you manage your money. It's Romney's money, he can place it where he wishes.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
It had been negative for more than 5 consecutive quarters.

Not according to this.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
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RE: Should Romney Be Elected?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:49 am

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 34):

Let's cut to the chase....

That fact of the manner is democrats just don't like business people in politics

What a load of crap. Truman was both a Democrat and a small business guy.

What Democrats don't really like are the Cheney types who leave the country in worse shape than when they were elected.

But, really, who could be impressed with the performance of the "businessmen" in the White House after W finished.

You really want to elect a Bush III after Bush II?

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 34):
Business people are hated by the democrats because they will cut, organize and downsize,

What a load of crap.

Obama sure didn't have a problem working with the execs at GM. That Democrat was happy to work things out when Romney favored liquidation. And IIRC it was the conservatives who were so against government support of Chrysler in their first crisis. How many man years of employment resulted in that "bailout" (that was very profitable for the Treasury.)

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 35):
Who wouldn't? China has lower costs and an emerging market while America...doesn't.

American manufacturers have been burdened by employer nanny care for decades. Time to cut out that tax and make us more competitive.

And, while China is an emerging market, the US is still an existing market that intelligent companies can operate very profitable in. And it will be a strong market for a long time to come.

The question now is if we will invest more in education that companies like Exxon are pushing for. WIll we grow the country or continue to diminish our future?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 35):
America will greet you with people who want to raise taxes and volume after volume of regulation.

America will also provide you with a huge market that can be very profitable. Some complain about the regulation and some are able to perform well while working within those regulations.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 37):
There was also the small matter of the capital and guidance that came from Bain.

BFD. There were also some major failures that offset the successes. We'll be seeing those in the last month of the campaign.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 37):
It's obvious you just don't like Romney, but you make yourself look stupid trying to conjure up reasons why.

As a politician I consider Romney pretty plastic. The guy has been great at deflecting everything from his tax returns to how he would reduce loopholes while maintaining current levels of tax revenues. Hiding the tax returns indicters to me that there were tax reduction actions taken in previous years that would be unacceptable to the average voter. Legal, but unacceptable.

On the loophole side I actually don't trust the guy with deductions for home mortgage interest and property taxes.

Before Huntsman entered the primaries I considered Romney the pick of the litter. I think I even mentioned him in a positive manner in those days.

My change in opinion on Romney has been based on what Romney has done and what he has not done. Start with the deflections - that is a no-no IMO. And, frankly, people who support Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid should have very little trust in Romney on protecting those programs - especially after picking Ryan for his VP choice.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 37):
Just say you don't like him because he's rich or whatever and own it.

A don't dislike Romney as a person - I liked & admired Steve Jobs who had far more wealth than Romney. Assuming, of course, that Romney hasn't hid even more money overseas.

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