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NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:27 pm

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/stor...-islanders-following-nets-brooklyn

"The Islanders announced Wednesday that they've agreed to move from Long Island to Brooklyn's Barclays Center and share the $1 billion arena with the Nets"

As a season ticket holder and life long fan this is very bittersweet. I am happy that the Islanders will stay in NY and I am happy that it will still be somewhat easy for me to get to (Instead of 20 minutes by car it will be 40 but I will now have the option for the train). I am sad that they are leaving Nassau where they do have such a rich history, but I am mostly saddened on how it went down.

Last August a referendum was brought up to the residents of Nassau on a new Arena. That failed horribly ( I was one of the few to vote yes!) and now these morons have nothing. No one is coming to perform at Nassau Coliseum! No concerts, shows, circus...nothing...You will get the home expo and that is it!. You will have an empty parking lot which will become a shanty town all because you morons were afraid of voting yes.

I will be happy to see all these politicians voted out who stood in the Isles way of building a new arena first with private funds and then with public funds.

I will be happy to take my money to Brooklyn.
 
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RE: NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting jfk69 (Thread starter):

Wow... I can see how that would be bittersweet. I was afraid the same thing was going to happen with the Pittsburgh Penguins with all of the talk about what to do with funding for a new arena. They were very close to becoming the Kansas City Penguins!

But yeah, at least they'll still be in New York. Don't you just LOVE it when the politicians come in and f[deleted] everything up?
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:54 pm

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You will have an empty parking lot

You see an empty parking lot, I see an epic place to play ball hockey.
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RE: NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:35 pm

This is a good move, the Nassau coliseum is a horrible venue. I attended a Pantera concert there in '94 and my ears were ringing for a month, also a riot broke out and the place was being torn to shreds. They should just bulldoze the entire site and make a nice park, that's what Long Island needs more than a mall (which is what will probably replace the Coliseum).
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RE: NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting jfk69 (Thread starter):
Last August a referendum was brought up to the residents of Nassau on a new Arena. That failed horribly ( I was one of the few to vote yes!) and now these morons have nothing.

I voted against that referendum - I fully supported Wang's original "Lighthouse" plan, which would have been built with private funds, but Kate Murray and the NIMBYs in the Town of Hempstead killed that. I wasn't about to give Ed Mangano a blank check to build a new arena on my dime.

Quoting jfk69 (Thread starter):
Instead of 20 minutes by car it will be 40 but I will now have the option for the train

Good luck if you are going to a week night game. For kicks, I checked the LIRR schedule between Jamaica (where almost everyone would need to transfer through) and Atlantic Avenue for today. To arrive for a 7pm game, you only have a handful of trains headed that way - it's the middle of rush hour, and everything is headed out to the Island, so it's not like the railroad can add any extra capacity.
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:05 pm

The Islanders are still in the NHL? By now I'd surely expect them to be demoted to the AHL....   
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:31 pm

Well good for them. The Nassau Coliseum is a dump! I just hope they don't change the name to the Brooklyn Islanders!
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:52 pm

As an Islanders fan, I am relieved they won't be going to Kansas City, but a bit disappointed they won't really be playing on Long Island. The writing was on the wall for a move when the replacement for the Nassau Mausoleum was voted down. Based on how they have been playing, maybe they could have just moved across the street to Hofstra's arena.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:00 pm

I believe the Barclay Centre will seat about 14,000 for the Nets. So you have to figure it to be at least 1,000 less for hockey, probably more. In Winnipeg, the MTS Centre seats 15,004, which translates into an average ticket price of $85. 5th highest in the NHL. The Brooklyn Islanders will have to charge significantly more to have an adequate revenue stream.

They would have been better advised to move to Toronto/Markham, the new building opening spring 2015. Will seat 19,000 for hockey.
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:36 pm

Now if they could just get the Dodgers to move back, that would be something
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:48 pm

If the Giants had moved back, you'd have a World Series in Brooklyn!  
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):
I believe the Barclay Centre will seat about 14,000 for the Nets.

According to the reports in today's Newsday, it seats 18K for basketball, and about 14,500 for hockey (the Isles and Rangers were supposed to play a pre-season game there, but it was cancelled with the lock out). They are looking at ways to add to the seating capacity for hockey.
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):

They would have been better advised to move to Toronto/Markham, the new building opening spring 2015. Will seat 19,000 for hockey.

And pay territorial rights fees to Toronto and Buffalo? Not likely.
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:48 am

As someone who born, raised, educated and now lives as an employed adult on Long Island, I am really bummed to see this happen. I know, I know, Brooklyn is still technically Long Island, but for some reason NYCers and folks not from NY think there is some canal or river or something running down the border of Nassau and Queens which separates Queens and Kings counties from the rest of LI LOL. But basically this is a black eye for Long Island.

We don't need another park (there are a ton of town, county and state parks on LI), we definitely don't need another mall, Wal*Mart, Outlet Center, or anything like that. I know the venue sucked, but it was one of a few places where big events could be held indoors year-round ON LI instead of hopping on a train to Manhattan to go to the Javitz Center or MSG. Yes, I know, we still have Westbury and Jones Beach for entertainment venues, but Westbury (which I love) is small and Jones Beach is outdoors/exposed to the elements.

Beyond concerts and sports though, there were a lot of great things that would take place in Nassau Coliseum during the year. The circus was always great to bring the kids to, along with Disney on Ice. Got a kid in High School? Large College Nights were also held there over the years and car shows and all types of great things that I remember from growing up. Now? I have a feeling there will be nothing except another "thing we already have enough of" on this island. Think of the boost it would have brought to employ a bunch of people to build a new venue and tear down the old one! Ugh, yet another reason I want to get off this island, it keeps on changing for the worse  (...and that's coming from someone who is 32-years old and my first job here on LI at the age of 16 was working on a FARM which is now condos).
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:22 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 10):

If the Giants had moved back, you'd have a World Series in Brooklyn!

The New York Giants baseball team didn't play in Brooklyn, they played in Manhattan.
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 6):
The Nassau Coliseum is a dump!

I agree with you! It looks like an old gas farm   

Any updates on when the NHL and NHLPA are going to get their heads out of their arses and get some hockey done?   
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:03 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
The New York Giants baseball team didn't play in Brooklyn, they played in Manhattan.

Oops you are right, I got the Giants and the Dodgers mixed up!   
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:22 am

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...r-commitment-to-brooklyn-1.4147203

http://newyorkislandersadrift.blogsp...ate-murray-town-of-hempsteads.html

I think Kate Murray's going to become the most hated person in long island. Wang was genuinely interested in redeveloping the coliseum and surrounding area. This woman wanted her town to a quiet peaceful place free of heavy traffic and hordes of people well now she's got her wish. With the team gone and many surrounding businesses that depended on them gone as well the area will become real peaceful and quiet.   
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:25 am

I am from Suffolk county and traveled to the coliseum to see the team play. Now that they are going to Brooklyn it is not likely I will be going to see them play anymore.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 19):
This woman wanted her town to a quiet peaceful place free of heavy traffic and hordes of people

If she wants that then she should move to eastern Suffolk county.
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:11 pm

Quoting alberchico (Reply 19):
I think Kate Murray's going to become the most hated person in long island.

I was at the game right after she shot the the LIghthouse project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lighthouse_Project

and they put a message from her on the screen.....not too often you hear the "C" word at a sporting event being yelled by 10k fans. The lady is a cancer who has ZERO foresight for any growth on our little island.

And to the rest of the idiot politicians who think that they will fill the coliseum with other events??? WAKE UP. You have MSG, The Barclays and Prudential center all within 30 miles....NO BIG ACTS WILL WANT TO COME HERE ANYMORE!
For the month of October, the coliseum had 2 events....thats right....2

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Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:33 pm

I'm not a hockey fan, but man, it would have been nice to finally have a permanent sports team at the Sprint Center in Kansas City. I think this may have been the last chance. It's a great facility that seems doomed to never have a permanent tenant.

[Edited 2012-10-25 06:33:53]

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Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:10 pm

Quoting moose135 (Reply 11):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):
I believe the Barclay Centre will seat about 14,000 for the Nets.

According to the reports in today's Newsday, it seats 18K for basketball, and about 14,500 for hockey (the Isles and Rangers were supposed to play a pre-season game there, but it was cancelled with the lock out). They are looking at ways to add to the seating capacity for hockey.

Everything I'd read previously indicated 14,000 for basketball, but clearly I was wrong. If they can do 14,500 for hockey, they should be able to make a go of it. One thing the Jets have in their favour in a small market is that the team owner (True North S&E) also own the building, so all revenues go into one pot. I don't see that's the case with the Islanders.

Our local football team, Blue Bombers, move into a new facility next year (Investors Group Field, seats 34,000, http://www.bluebombers.com/page/stadium-2012) and as part of financing and lease arrangements, the BB get all the ticket revenue, concessions inc beer, parking, everything. So their bottom line will be much better than now. Controlling the building revenue is a big key to a successful operation. I don't see that (not obviously, anyway) with the Islanders moving.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 14):
And pay territorial rights fees to Toronto and Buffalo? Not likely.

Bettman had previously indicated that possibly moving the Islanders to Markham, the Leafs would get no compensation. They don't need the money, they need a team. I think Buffalo is far enough away to be out of the picture. Buffalo only ever came up when Hamilton looked like a possibility.
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 23):
Everything I'd read previously indicated 14,000 for basketball, but clearly I was wrong. If they can do 14,500 for hockey, they should be able to make a go of it.

I think its been confirmed that there will be fewer seats for hockey games than basketball. Which is a major issue because that means that ticket prices will be obscenely expensive. Its obvious that their long term plan is to attract new fans from Brooklyn and other parts of the city. Many fans from Long Island will probably not be able to afford to see the team on a regular basis. Not to mention traveling on the LIRR during rush hour is pure hell.
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:05 pm

I question the long-term viability of the Isles playing in Brooklyn. I would venture to guess that the bulk of hockey fans in Brooklyn (and Queens) are Rangers fans and would rather continue to chant "Potvin Sucks" than to support the Isles. Weeknight attendance will likely be abysmal since many fans will be less likely to make the commute from Nassau and Suffolk counties to Brooklyn since they would likely not get home from games until close to midnight. There was an article in Newsday I was reading in which some season ticket holders said that they would not renew once the team moved to Brooklyn and would likely attend a handful of games.

Many longtime Islanders fans upset

With the team moving to Brooklyn, will the hipsters start wearing Isles jerseys of obscure Isles players..... Perhaps they'll revive the "Fisherman" logo in have him wearing a plaid shirt and holding a PBR.....   

Quoting sw733 (Reply 22):
I'm not a hockey fan, but man, it would have been nice to finally have a permanent sports team at the Sprint Center in Kansas City. I think this may have been the last chance. It's a great facility that seems doomed to never have a permanent tenant.

There were rumblings of the Hornets, Grizzlies or possibly the Kings moving to K.C. (Although the Kings were likely headed to Anaheim had the arena matter in Sacramento not been settled.), but that never came to fruition. If the NBA were to add two more teams, they would likely go to K.C. and Seattle.

I don't see K.C. getting an NHL team in the future either. There are cities that the NHL would consider before K.C., including Oklahoma City, which tried to get one of the expansion teams in the 1998/1999/2000 NHL expansion but Columbus beat them for it. Besides Canadian markets like Quebec City and the GTA/York/Golden Horseshoe area, Houston has been eyed as a possible future market (Largest US TV market without an NHL team.) as has Seattle (Seattle was looking at the Isles as a possible tenant for their new arena.).
 
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting jfk69 (Reply 19):
And to the rest of the idiot politicians who think that they will fill the coliseum with other events??? WAKE UP. You have MSG, The Barclays and Prudential center all within 30 miles....NO BIG ACTS WILL WANT TO COME HERE ANYMORE!

There's also the Izod, former Continental Airlines, arena. Way too many venues chasing fewer and fewer acts. The Izod center and the Nassau coliseum need to be torn down.
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:45 am

The Nassau Coluseim is functionally obsolete, the taxpayers and politcans sure don't want to subdise any replacement, so the Islanders moving to The Barc makes a lot of sense for them and many of their fans.
 
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:01 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 23):
I don't see K.C. getting an NHL team in the future either. There are cities that the NHL would consider before K.C., including Oklahoma City, which tried to get one of the expansion teams in the 1998/1999/2000 NHL expansion but Columbus beat them for it. Besides Canadian markets like Quebec City and the GTA/York/Golden Horseshoe area, Houston has been eyed as a possible future market (Largest US TV market without an NHL team.) as has Seattle (Seattle was looking at the Isles as a possible tenant for their new arena.).

I agree. In fact, today's Globe and Mail had a very interesting piece by Eric Duhatschek on "what would a 12 (or 24) team NHL look like ?". It's related to the on-going labour problems. NHL's basic problem is that there are lots of AHL-calibre players in the league earning a very good living, when they should be down in the AHL making 75-125K. Between Anaheim, Phoenix, Florida, Columbus, and the Isles, they're estimated to lose more than $70M last year, whilst Montreal, Toronto, and the Rangers made more than all the rest.

There are too many teams, contraction has been discussed, the "Southern Strategy" is not working, the calibre of play would improve, and on and on. There will likely also be more franchises shifting - northward.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 23):
I question the long-term viability of the Isles playing in Brooklyn. I would venture to guess that the bulk of hockey fans in Brooklyn (and Queens) are Rangers fans and would rather continue to chant "Potvin Sucks" than to support the Isles. Weeknight attendance will likely be abysmal since many fans will be less likely to make the commute from Nassau and Suffolk counties to Brooklyn since they would likely not get home from games until close to midnight. There was an article in Newsday I was reading in which some season ticket holders said that they would not renew once the team moved to Brooklyn and would likely attend a handful of games.

I think you're spot on with that. Also, with this anouncement, what will the Isles attendance be 2012-2015 ? I think it will crash.
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:15 am

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...au-s-26-million-mta-debt-1.4154523

So now on top of the Islanders debacle Nassau county gets stuck paying a 26 million dollar debt. And now with a hurricane bearing down on the NYC area this weekend area this is turning out to be a really crappy week for Nassau county...

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Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:19 pm

My question is why does NY/NJ need THREE hockey teams? Just askin'.
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:04 pm

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My question is why does NY/NJ need THREE hockey teams? Just askin'.

Because we are the center of the known universe.
 
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 28):
My question is why does NY/NJ need THREE hockey teams? Just askin'.

With a metro area of approximately 22 million, that still means one NHL team per 7.33 million people.

Phoenix has one for 4 million people (metro area)

Pittsburgh has one team for about 2 to 2.5 million people (metro area)

Winnipeg has one team for about 0.75 million people (metro area)

Why can't NYC have one per 7.33 million people?

(Jeez, I NEVER defend NYC sports! What's wrong with me??)
 
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 30):
(Jeez, I NEVER defend NYC sports! What's wrong with me??)

LOL Especially when they're the WORST fans ever     

Quoting sw733 (Reply 30):
Phoenix has one for 4 million people (metro area)

I saw something recently that said when the lockout ends, the guy who bought the yotes will finally take complete ownership of it, keeping them in the Valley!   
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:46 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 23):
I question the long-term viability of the Isles playing in Brooklyn. I would venture to guess that the bulk of hockey fans in Brooklyn (and Queens) are Rangers fans and would rather continue to chant "Potvin Sucks" than to support the Isles. Weeknight attendance will likely be abysmal since many fans will be less likely to make the commute from Nassau and Suffolk counties to Brooklyn since they would likely not get home from games until close to midnight. There was an article in Newsday I was reading in which some season ticket holders said that they would not renew once the team moved to Brooklyn and would likely attend a handful of games.

Yes but there are also many fans who were unable to buy season tixx due to the fact that they worked in the city and the 7pm start time with zero public transportation made it impossible to go to until now. The Isles will lose ticket holders and they will gain ticket holders. I just hope they do not turn into the "Suits" crowd that has taken over MSG...but if corporate money buys the tickets then so be it.

Bottom line is, put a winning team on the ice and the fans will come.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 26):
I think you're spot on with that. Also, with this anouncement, what will the Isles attendance be 2012-2015 ? I think it will crash.

Rumblings are they will try to get out earlier.


Some interesting rumors circulating is that Hofstra University (Host of the Town hall debate and neighbor of the Coliseum) had some impact on pushing the Isles out since they want the land to build a medical school.
 
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:50 pm

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LOL Especially when they're the WORST fans ever

I think Philly sports fans are way worse!  
 
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:15 pm

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I think Philly sports fans are way worse!

MMMmm... My vote for that goes to Boston... But yeah, some Philly fans can be downright obnoxious... Particularly those of the Birds and Flyers...
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 28):
My question is why does NY/NJ need THREE hockey teams? Just askin'.

Greed by the NHL and some of the owners...... When the Colorado Rockies were sold and relocated to New Jersey, they had to compensate the Rangers, the Isles and the Flyers for moving into their territory. At the time, the Devils were a laughingstock of a team but eventually things fell into place for them.....

Some argue why does the L.A. area have two teams and the answer comes down once again to $$$. In the 1990s, the NHL really wanted some big corporations to come in and own NHL teams and Disney paid a nice sum to the NHL (as well as the Kings) to put a team in Anaheim. One of the reasons why Atlanta was awarded an expansion team is because of Ted Turner and Turner Broadcasting since they were part of Time Warner. The downside was that Turner was eventually pushed aside from the executive suite and AOL Time Warner wanted out of the sports ownership business. That decision ended up costing a lot of money, as they breached the contract they had with David McDavid to sell the Hawks, Thrashers and Philip Arena operating rights and sold those assets to Atlanta Spirit, LLC (Who only wanted to buy the Hawks and the arena rights and were forced to take the Thrashers as part of the deal.). McDavid sued and was awarded $281 million, which was much more than what they sold those assets for. They sold the Braves to Liberty Media as part of a complicated stock swap deal.
 
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 35):

Wow... after reading that, I am greatful a philanthropist like Mario Lemieux owns the Penguins and that he was able to keep them in the Burgh...
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 23):
question the long-term viability of the Isles playing in Brooklyn.

I saw in Newsday that Wang signing a 25 year iron clad contract that he couldn't get out of, so if this does not work out they are stuck there for 25 years.
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 37):
I saw in Newsday that Wang signing a 25 year iron clad contract that he couldn't get out of, so if this does not work out they are stuck there for 25 years.

I haven't heard any details of the lease arrangement, but Wang's a pretty sharp guy, so I imagine he's comfortable with the deal. Remember, he retired from Computer Associates before things blew up there, resulting in his partner going to prison, and he sold the NY Dragons Arena Football team in the off-season before the league suspended operations, so I suspect he's getting himself a good deal here.
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 30):
With a metro area of approximately 22 million, that still means one NHL team per 7.33 million people.

Phoenix has one for 4 million people (metro area)

Pittsburgh has one team for about 2 to 2.5 million people (metro area)

Winnipeg has one team for about 0.75 million people (metro area)

Why can't NYC have one per 7.33 million people?

Interesting to note that with only 750,000 people, Winnipeg has sold out every game for 5 years in an arena that seats 15,000. 15,000 / 750,000 = 0.02, that is, 2% of the city goes to EVERY game. If you had that level of support for each of the NYC city area teams, average attendance would be about 145,000. Need a big arena for that.
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RE: NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 36):
Wow... after reading that, I am greatful a philanthropist like Mario Lemieux owns the Penguins and that he was able to keep them in the Burgh...

Lemiuex ended up with the team as when the team was bankrupt, he was the biggest creditor (as he deferred salary to help keep the team afloat) and swapped out what he was owed for a stake in the team. His ownership has not been without financial issues either, and they were once again looking like an endangered species in Pittsburgh (Much like as it was in the mid-80s prior to his arrival there.) and it took Crosby being drafted to help keep them there (But unlike in 1984, the Pens couldn't purposely lose games [as was suspected] in order the gain the #1 [The NHL introduced the draft lottery in 1994 after accusations that the Senators tanked on purpose in order to get the #1 pick, which ended up being Alexander Daigle, one of the biggest busts ever.].).
 
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RE: NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:04 am

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 39):
Interesting to note that with only 750,000 people, Winnipeg has sold out every game for 5 years in an arena that seats 15,000. 15,000 / 750,000 = 0.02, that is, 2% of the city goes to EVERY game.

But seriously, it's not like there's anything else to do in Winnipeg...
 
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RE: NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:17 pm

Quoting moose135 (Reply 41):
But seriously, it's not like there's anything else to do in Winnipeg...

Well there's Blue Bombers games during the early part of the season.......   

Even with the MTS Centre sold out for every game, the attendance numbers are towards at the bottom of the NHL. Those numbers are slightly higher than the average attendance numbers for the Thrashers the 11 seasons in Atlanta (14,914) and the last two seasons there were the lowest in the teams' history (slightly lower than 01-02 and 02-03 seasons). The Thrashers typically drew better for Friday and Saturday night games than for Sunday-Thursday games.
 
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RE: NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:08 pm

Quoting moose135 (Reply 41):
But seriously, it's not like there's anything else to do in Winnipeg...

You have to be related to Dieter Brock.   

But seriously, life isn't entirely a red meat diet. There is a huge amount of cultural activity in Winnipeg. Any man who doesn't avail himself of it, at least occasionally, is a, well, actually I can't say it since the all powerful mods will come down on me, but it rhymes with "fob" (as in key).
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RE: NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 40):

srbmod, you made me laugh with that last statement. They tanked on purpose, and then the Hockey gods spoke. Good stuff!

I forgot about how Mario resurrected the team from bk in the late 1990s by deferring a chunk of his salary in order to buy the team. I wasn't too familiar with what the Pens looked like in 1984. I was still in diapers at the time. Thanks for that info.
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RE: NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn

Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:47 am

I have been saying for the past couple of years that this needed to happen. It makes so much sense. Wang doesn't have to get taxpayer money because the building is already being built. The Islanders can stay on Long Island with easy train access. They get to move out of the worst building in the NHL to a brand spanking new arena. And they can actually build a bigger fan base in Brooklyn. Not to mention that when some visiting teams fans go on the road, the old building and the area offered nothing to them. Brooklyn offers them a lot more.

This is a great deal, and I am happy for the Islanders. Even though it has been the doormat the past number of years, the franchise is still a good one with a rich history.

Now if we can get a second team in Toronto, or even a team in Hamilton, I would really be happy.

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