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Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:49 pm

No doubt this elections 'October surprise' is undoubtedly "Superstorm Sandy" and it seems to be helping Obama in his leadership of the aftermath and monitoring the recovery efforts.

In weekend before 2004 election, a new Bin Laden video surfaced that likely persuaded undecided voters to keep GW Bush in power.

Besides Obama putting the hurricane victims' needs ahead of the election, Could Sandy awaken voters to climate change and Obama's alternate energy agenda?

Also noting Romney's plan to abolish FEMA.....

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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:07 pm

I think that this:

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
Also noting Romney's plan to abolish FEMA.....

helps Obama more than this:

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
Obama in his leadership of the aftermath and monitoring the recovery efforts.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:13 pm

I doubt it will do anything for climate change and alternative energy. Hurricanes happen, and like it or not, no solitary event (including this one) is proof of any climate change.

However, as much as people on the talking heads networks are saying not to politicize a disaster, well if not this, then what?

A president's job is to oversee the functioning of the country, and disaster response is a Top Three government responsibility. We have seen how other presidents handled disasters (Bush botched two!) and now we've seen the beginnings of how Obama handles a disaster. Turns out, if Republican and Mitt Romney surrogate Chris Christie is to be believed, Obama is doing a damn good job. A heck-of-a-job, even!

Obama's opponent is on record as wanting FEMA privatized, or at least kicked back to the states. As if Mississippi and Louisiana could have handled Katrina by themselves. He also has a track record: when Massachusetts suffered floods under his watch, the legislature passed a bill to study flood prevention for this area. Obama's opponent vetoed the bill. Disasters, in his mind, should be handled by the private sector.

Can you imagine a world where the fireman shows up at your door, says "this fire costs $6,000 to extinguish" then asks you to pay before they provide a service?

In my mind, this is an issue that is WAY more important than abortion, affirmative action, unions, and evolution.
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:18 pm

I think it will be a wash politically. Obama (or the Feds) really can't do anything until after the clean-up. FEMA is only a coordinating agency for federal, state and local resources with a few thousand employees not some mega bereaucracy waiting to descend on an area. The only thing that might help him is the perception that he is on top of the situation.

It could possibly help Romney in New York if the storm suppreses voter turnout in the Manhattan area and a more conservative Upstate vote carries the day.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
seems to be helping Obama in his leadership of the aftermath and monitoring the recovery efforts

Isn't that part of his job description? I don't doubt that a partisan pundit or two will flame Obama for winning favour by doing his part to help the recovery (that's their job, after all), but there would almost certainly be widespread outrage, highly justified outrage, if he had just kept campaigning and left everything to his subordinates.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:01 pm

Brothers and sisters in humanity and in Faith, to me this is more than just a "natural disaster,"......were all being tested again, and yes for sure, Obama is being tested with Hurricane Sandy, not only Obama, but the Congress also, you know I've heard a lot of the so called "gridlock" in Washington, Congress not wanting to pass any more bills because we have a black man in office as President, too much bickering, finger pointing at one another, I believe that those who bear patience and do what is right, and cut the crap of "red tape," etc. those will be the ones who will be successful and learn from this disaster and learn how to work together, so this disaster is truly a lesson for everyone to comprehend.........I will wait and see how the Republicans in the House will respond to this? Will Mr. Boehner of the House, come to terms after this disaster, and release the grid lock and let us go back to the Clinton Era tax cuts..........Happy Halloween
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:01 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
Isn't that part of his job description? I don't doubt that a partisan pundit or two will flame Obama for winning favour by doing his part to help the recovery

Then you haven't met Mike "Heckuva Job Brownie" Brown:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_16...iticizes-obamas-response-to-sandy/

Michael Brown, the incredibly inept man that botched the Katrina response, criticized Obama for "acting too quickly."

(I tried to find a Fox News link, but surprisingly, they are not reporting this.)
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:03 pm

From what I'm hearing from a few respected pundits, the hurricane has distracted citizens from paying attention to each candidate's "closing argument". In a sense, during the week before the election, campaigning is effectively dead in the water. Perhaps the candidates will see more visibility over the weekend, but all plans of building their message toward a final crescendo have been wiped out.

To that degree I would hazard a guess that President Obama benefits from this as he is able to look "presidential" in the waning days of the campaign while Romney hasn't much room for delivering his message or getting a whole lot of air time.

On the other hand, it may blunt the reaction to Romney's outrageously lying speech last week about Jeep closing Ohio plants and outsourcing jobs to China and his new advertisements claiming the same for GM. Top spokespeople from GM and Chrysler have spoken out very sharply on the subject and it looked like a major backlash against Romeny might be welling up in the Buckeye state. But the storm may have cut the edge off of that and may have helped the Romeny campaign in the process.
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
No doubt this elections 'October surprise' is undoubtedly "Superstorm Sandy" and it seems to be helping Obama in his leadership of the aftermath and monitoring the recovery efforts.

Hurricane Sandy did not help Obama, per se. Obama is probablty helping Obama by actually doing his job well.

And the fact that Romney's response was to organize a can drive that the Red Cross said was worse than doing nothing and that he just got finished saying that emergency response should be privatized (privatization is something you do for activities that would be profitable; disaster response is a horrible example of a profitable activity) or kicked to the states, none of that is going to help him.

As for the polls, it is certainly within the power of the state to delay or extend an election in a situation like this.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
As for the polls, it is certainly within the power of the state to delay or extend an election in a situation like this.

I'm not so sure

Article II Section I of the Constitution

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The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

The US Congress in 1845 set the day for the choosing of Presidential Electors to be held in all the states - on the same day - the Tuesday following the first Monday in November.

It would appear that law would have to be amended, modified or otherwise changed by the Congress would have to authorize any changes or delays in the Federal Election Day.

The law does allow the State to appoint electors by any method as the State may provide by law - after the Presidential Election has been held.
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 9):

Article II Section I of the Constitution

Electors, yes.

However, there are times already in which ballots are accepted and counted after the fact. Military ballots, for example.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
And the fact that Romney's response was to organize a can drive that the Red Cross said was worse than doing nothing

Apparently, all they did was raid a local Wal-Mart and hand out cans to people so they could hand them back to Romney.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/message-i-care.html

It was a completely staged event.
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Military ballots, for example.

Absentee ballots have to be 'cast' by election day. i.e. post marked as being mailed no later than election day.

But every election tens of thousands of military ballots received after election day are not counted.
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:30 pm

It may be of slight benefit, especially in Ohio and parts of Pennsylvania that are major battlegrounds over votes and it may be the difference for Pres. Obama. In many areas most affected in NJ including on Election Day, they are more likely to be Republican voters who won't be able to vote.

Sandy does prove that it takes Federal agencies like FEMA, the National Guard and others to bring in the help that states are not enough for. President Obama gets a lot of national attention, looking Presidential with his personal appearances like at the DC HQ of the Red Cross yesterday and in NJ today, making statements to government agencies to work fast, without red tape, without delays, and for his staff to respond to state and agency officials ASAP (like 15 minutes). In contrast, Romney's pandering to the Tea Party bashing FEMA was a huge mistake, adding in his clumsy attempts to campaign and gather stuff to send to NJ, mocked by many and useless to the Red Cross and other boo-boos like the Jeep expansion of production in China and NOT taking away from USA jobs. At least with this disaster we are not hearing as much campaign crap.
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:26 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
Also noting Romney's plan to abolish FEMA.....

Can you show me where he sid he would abolish it?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
And the fact that Romney's response was to organize a can drive that the Red Cross said was worse than doing nothing

WOW....

It is funny seeing the left try to capitialize on the global warminng bull while all the bodies have not even ben found yet. Never let a good disaster go to waste....
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:18 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 14):

Can you show me where he sid he would abolish it?

" In a June 13, 2011 GOP primary debate, Romney suggested that states should assume a more significant role in disaster relief. The debate took place soon after a tornado devastated Joplin, Missouri and other communities, and moderator John King of CNN asked Romney whether states should take on a greater role in paying to repair and rebuild.

"Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better," Romney said. "Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut -- we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep?"

When asked a follow up on whether disaster relief should shift to the states, Romney said: "We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," he said.

"It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off," he added. "It makes no sense at all."

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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:00 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 15):
"Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction.

Doesn't sound like he's cutting it to me. Governors have historically wanted to take less Federal money albeit with less strings attached.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 15):

Just being honest, Romney has some explaining to do, but that's not concrete evidence saying he wants to abolish FEMA. I think he wants more to go to the states and let them handle it, or even private companies. While I think that's not really a good idea per se, it's not implying getting rid of anything or letting people out to dry. I think even pro-states Romney would modify his policy if his idea went into effect and wasn't working
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 15):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 14):
Can you show me where he sid he would abolish it?
" In a June 13, 2011 GOP primary debate,

Can you show me where he said he would abolish it?
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 18):
Can you show me where he said he would abolish it?

When Romney says "We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things," what do you think he is saying?
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 15):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 14):
Can you show me where he sid he would abolish it?
" In a June 13, 2011 GOP primary debate, Romney suggested that states should assume a more significant role in disaster relief. The debate took place soon after a tornado devastated Joplin, Missouri and other communities, and moderator John King of CNN asked Romney whether states should take on a greater role in paying to repair and rebuild.

"Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better," Romney said. "Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut -- we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep?"

When asked a follow up on whether disaster relief should shift to the states, Romney said: "We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," he said.

"It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off," he added. "It makes no sense at all."

Please show me where FEMA was specifically mentioned, and where there was a declaration of intent to abolish it.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:46 pm

Man. The hand-wringing is pretty intense here. Romney on federal disaster efforts:

http://youtu.be/oqXk5XxHKx8

"And those things, we have to stop doing."

Although I feel like trying to convince some people that he is planning to get rid of FEMA is like convincing them that an "act of terror" is different from a "terrorist act."
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 20):
Please show me where FEMA was specifically mentioned, and where there was a declaration of intent to abolish it.

From listening to the tape, it sounds like in answer to the FEMA question, Romney is saying that federal disaster relief is something that isn't required to keep in the federal budget. He's obviously grouping FEMA into those items that at the federal level we should include in the question, "what are those things we're doing that we don't have to do."

Is there any other way to interpret his remarks?
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
From listening to the tape, it sounds like in answer to the FEMA question, Romney is saying that federal disaster relief is something that isn't required to keep in the federal budget. He's obviously grouping FEMA into those items that at the federal level we should include in the question, "what are those things we're doing that we don't have to do."

This is fine and dandy but lets say a state like California who is broke cannot afford emergency services and also can't borrow money to support it due to balanced budget amendments gets a 7.5 earthquake in downtown LA. Do the feds simply say tough luck??

For those of you that say yes then why the heck is the United States the United States and not 50 separate countries.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:42 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 23):
For those of you that say yes then why the heck is the United States the United States and not 50 separate countries.

        

At some point, you have to sit down and think hard about what it means to call yourself an American.

With so much hoo-hah about "In God We Trust" being on the money, it's a shame that we have also forgotten that "E pluribus unum" is our actual national motto.
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):

From your mouth to God's ears!

I remember that horrible moment back in 2004 when that scoundral just so happened to make an appearance on tape prior to the election. I was at my parent's house. We all exchanged a slew of explatives and I said. A-Hole, my mom called him Bush Turd has just taken this election. Four more years of horrible. I'll leave it at that.

I must say that the President and Governor Christie working together and throwing aside politics will be a feather in both the Governor's cap and the President's. NOw, if that plays in Middle America is the question. I can tell you this, even if President Obama parted the Red Sea and came up with the cure for Alzheimers and Cancer Utah would still overwhelmingly along with Alaska go red with Romney. BTW not to get off course but has Utah or Alaska ever been "Blue" in a past Presiential election?
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:24 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 25):
BTW not to get off course but has Utah or Alaska ever been "Blue" in a past Presiential election?

In 1964 both states went to LBJ.

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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:46 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):

Is there any other way to interpret his remarks?

Uhhh, yes. Stating that delegating from the federal level to states could mean a multitude of things and not solely "abolishing" FEMA, which he never said. But that just wouldn't fit in with the Leftist narrative on Romney.

Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
With so much hoo-hah about "In God We Trust" being on the money, it's a shame that we have also forgotten that "E pluribus unum" is our actual national motto.

"In God We Trust" is actually the official national motto. It's long been federally recognized as such, and it's also in our national anthem, "....for this be our motto, In God is our Trust...".
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:11 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 20):
Please show me where FEMA was specifically mentioned, and where there was a declaration of intent to abolish it.

From listening to the tape, it sounds like in answer to the FEMA question, Romney is saying that federal disaster relief is something that isn't required to keep in the federal budget. He's obviously grouping FEMA into those items that at the federal level we should include in the question, "what are those things we're doing that we don't have to do."

Is there any other way to interpret his remarks?

Yes, that it's something that could and should be LOOKED AT - along with many other "stop-doing" items that simply don't belong on the Federal budget when it's this bloated - but there was never any specific mention that a President Romney would eliminate FEMA, and that's what the OP specifically stated, which is obviously hogwash:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 14):
Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
Also noting Romney's plan to abolish FEMA.....
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:24 am

Obama had the benefit of being in office and "taking action". His actions served New Jersey well and Governor Christi is blunt enough a man to tell it like it is. Hence the praise from Obama.

Romney held a can drive (where most cans were bought by his team) and threw in a lot of chard political attacks on Obama while Obama was in New jersey. Not that smart.

Romney also has the albatross around his neck of wanting to move FEMA to the states and have private companies own it. Not a bright move on his part - dumb ideas bite hardest the closer to the election you are.

So I go with advantage Obama. Not a huge one, but good enough to help some.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:29 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 27):
Uhhh, yes. Stating that delegating from the federal level to states could mean a multitude of things and not solely "abolishing" FEMA, which he never said.
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28):
Yes, that it's something that could and should be LOOKED AT

So after saying yes, there's another way of interpreting his remarks, you both basically agreed with my interpretation of Romney's remarks. Interesting.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 27):
But that just wouldn't fit in with the Leftist narrative on Romney.

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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:16 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):
So after saying yes, there's another way of interpreting his remarks, you both basically agreed with my interpretation of Romney's remarks. Interesting.

Jesus you're thick-headed; we were pointing out that the OP's statement that Romney had a "plan to abolish FEMA" was falsely jumping to conclusions and that he has never said he has a concrete, defined plan.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:52 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):

So after saying yes, there's another way of interpreting his remarks, you both basically agreed with my interpretation of Romney's remarks. Interesting.

Well, when you're absolutely wrong about something, sometimes splitting hairs is all that's left to do. But this is America and their entitled to the opinions, even when facts won't support them. Very fortunately, there is plenty of sand in this nation for them to stick their heads in.

As for that, there's no way that involves actual logic that can refute Romney being on-record, saying he wants to abolish FEMA and further imperil citizens by handing these responsibilities to overburdened and/or inept states. He should just concede now.
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 32):
As for that, there's no way that involves actual logic that can refute Romney being on-record, saying he wants to abolish FEMA and further imperil citizens by handing these responsibilities to overburdened and/or inept states

Once again please show where he said he would abolish FEMA. The actual logic is that he has never said that he would abolish it. Give it a haircut , yes but has said nothing about abolishig it. Funny that yo say that the States are overburdened or inept but do not feel the same way about DC and the Feds. This storm would not even of registered in Florida. We had two tropical storms this summer that dropped 15" to 25" inches of rain in spots. Can you remember there names?
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:00 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 31):
Jesus you're thick-headed; we were pointing out that the OP's statement that Romney had a "plan to abolish FEMA" was falsely jumping to conclusions and that he has never said he has a concrete, defined plan.

Wait, you're saying that you can look at that video, read that transcript, and not conclude that Romney was advocating getting rid of FEMA? Who's thick-headed?

Look, you can say that he doesn't think that anymore. That would be a colorable argument. But to say that he didn't say what we all heard him say because he didn't use the word "abolish" is ridiculous.
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 33):
Funny that yo say that the States are overburdened or inept but do not feel the same way about DC and the Feds.

Alrighty there, let's play your game. Where did I say anything about DC?

Quoting windy95 (Reply 33):
This storm would not even of registered in Florida.

A 20f day wouldn't have registered in NY. Point?

Quoting windy95 (Reply 33):
Can you remember there names?

Bad question, don't care.

Back to the topic, if you're so sure Romney wouldn't totally screw this up, then please point to where he said he wouldn't abolish, remove, privatize, or hand to the states FEMA? Take your time, I don't go back to work until 21.00.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 35):
Back to the topic, if you're so sure Romney wouldn't totally screw this up, then please point to where he said he wouldn't abolish

The thread starter needs to prove that he did say it. So far no one has shown where he said he would "abolish" FEMA. Ball is in your court to show the actual statement.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 35):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 33):This storm would not even of registered in Florida.
A 20f day wouldn't have registered in NY. Point?

Point is that it was not that strong of a storm and that the left and Obama are trying to capitalise on it for political reasons.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:19 pm

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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 36):
The thread starter needs to prove that he did say it. So far no one has shown where he said he would "abolish" FEMA. Ball is in your court to show the actual statement.

It seems as though Romney, in his classic style, hesitated to make any definitive statement concerning this part of his platform. "We can't afford it, but we need to have it!" Hooray for fiscal responsibility!   
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:23 pm

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So far no one has shown where he said he would "abolish" FEMA.

Windy, in your opinion, does "stop doing" mean the same thing as "abolish?"
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:25 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 36):

The thread starter needs to prove that he did say it. So far no one has shown where he said he would "abolish" FEMA. Ball is in your court to show the actual statement.

They did that. The proofs they furnished are indeed strong enough to prove Romney wants to abolish FEMA. In fact, as a legal matter (if we could somehow suspend our disbelief of a "thought" trial), if Romney stood accused of wanting to "abolish" FEMA, what has been shown would stand up in a criminal court.

The standards of proof have been met. He wants to abolish FEMA. You only disagree for partisan reasons, but those are the facts here.

Anyway, no one's telling don't vote for Romney, just don't do so under the false impression that he wouldn't abolish FEMA, given the chance.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 36):

Point is that it was not that strong of a storm and that the left and Obama are trying to capitalise on it for political reasons.

Ok, so let's straighten this out. Obama does his job, the one you & I pay him $400,000 a year to do, and he's in the wrong. What, pray tell, would you say if he'd done nothing? Or even just phoned it in, you know, like what happened in a certain storm in 2005? What then?
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:01 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 36):
Point is that it was not that strong of a storm

Really dude?

Lowest pressure ever recorded in Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York, and it's not that strong of a storm? Damages approaching $50 BILLION is not that strong of a storm?

That's a pretty delusional comment.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 36):
the left and Obama are trying to capitalise on it for political reasons.

He's doing his job, and you say that's politicizing it? I refer you back to reply 2.
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:45 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 31):
Jesus you're thick-headed; we were pointing out that the OP's statement that Romney had a "plan to abolish FEMA"

LOL! Re-read your post I was replying to. The operating word was "intent". I don't know if Romney has a concrete plan or not, he's kind of, you know, flippy-floppy on that issue, hard to nail him down on specifics. It's certainly clear that he has some intent to question the need for FEMA, and the agency is on his hit list.

Perhaps it's his intent to turn disaster relief over to companies such as Halliburton in the private sector, then let local residents pay for it from property taxes. Who knows, he didn't say.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:29 pm

By the way: for people who have the gal to say that Sandy wasn't that bad a storm, the weather experts disagree. It packed more energy than Katrina and even Andrew.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...4-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_blog.html
 
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:38 am

One vote Obama's picked up due to Sandy

"In a surprise announcement, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said Thursday that Hurricane Sandy had reshaped his thinking about the presidential campaign and that as a result, he was endorsing President Obama."
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:27 am

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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 44):



BTW thank you for the information regarding Utah and Alaska going blue in election 1964. (LBJ landslide)

I'm surprised no one mentioned the Donald The Trumpster (A-Hole) . I'm waiting for him to bleat that Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya and has a bullsh*t birth certificate. Interesting how after this tragic event (hurricane Sandy) that bad hair windbag isn't blowing hot air. And he's been conspicuously absent since Hurricane Sandy devastated the Northeastern United States. Sorry if off topic but, I couldn't resist.

On a lighter note, why not have a boxing/mixed martial arts/wrestling event between douche bag Trump and Nanny Bloomberg! The proceeds could go to the suffering from the Hurricane.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:51 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 44):
"In a surprise announcement, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said Thursday that Hurricane Sandy had reshaped his thinking about the presidential campaign and that as a result, he was endorsing President Obama."

Really? New Yorkers are dumpster-diving for food, Obama is off campaigning and he comes off smelling like a rose? After the abuse Bush got for Katrina? There's justice for you...

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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:54 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 46):
Really? New Yorkers are dumpster-diving for food, Obama is off campaigning and he comes off smelling like a rose? After the abuse Bush got for Katrina? There's justice for you...

But don't forget "W" proclaimed Browny yer doin a greeeaaat job!>/b> as those in New Orleans and the Gulf coast drowned in alligator sh*t infested flood water from the busted leevy and category 3 and above Katrina.
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):
But don't forget "W" proclaimed Browny yer doin a greeeaaat job!>/b> as those in New Orleans and the Gulf coast drowned in alligator sh*t infested flood water from the busted leevy and category 3 and above Katrina.

So? Has Obama publicly berated anyone for it? Has he not praised people for it?
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RE: Hurricane Sandy To Help Obama?

Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:55 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):
Really? New Yorkers are dumpster-diving for food, Obama is off campaigning and he comes off smelling like a rose? After the abuse Bush got for Katrina? There's justice for you...



Sadly under "W's" watch his crony pick and company "screwed the pooch" with Hurricane Katrina. If it was Al Gore or John Kerry in "W's" place and they did the same thing. Talk about a major league shi* storm! It would be said, you didn't do jack sh*t because Katrina affected Red States. And we'd be hearing it along with the chorus that Clinton lied because he denied getting a BJ from a spoiled rich girl heiffer. What did that have to do with running the country? And, that Obama is an evil Muslim born in Kenya with a bogus B.S. birth certificate that was created at a Chicago Kinko's. By this time next week the election will be history which ever way it goes and we all will have to put up with those overkill fake, conspicuous consumption in your face Christmas commercial BS. And disdain for these cuts across party lines and is Bi-Partisan.

Back to Katrina, I'm not with the fringe elements that say the government (administration) blew up the leevys in New Orleans.
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