AR385
Topic Author
Posts: 6759
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2003 8:25 am

Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:03 pm

A few minutes ago The Supreme Tribunal in Spain ratified the figure of "matrimony" for gay couples. This law had been passed in 2005 by the Socialists but the current President, Rajoy, had tried to get the highest court to derogate it. About 22,000 couples had married since then.

I think it´s a great victory for equality of rights (no matter your orientation) and a message to extreme right groups in right wing parties that times are moving forward. Congratulations to Spain

http://politica.elpais.com/politica/.../actualidad/1352222651_734714.html

Sorry, in Spanish only. Will probably pop up soon in English.
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 7948
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:03 pm

Good thing ! What is the situation for abortion rights ? I know it moved forward under Zapatero.

Here the law for "marriage for all" is under legislative review right now, with the right-wing opposition screaming murder (when it is very well known that most moderates are really in favor of it) and now claiming that if they get back in power they'll scrap the law. As if it was easy to do when that would mean ripping families apart (adoption is part of the law).

They also want a special right allowing mayors not to celebrate these unions (mayors being the only ones that can do it, unless there are special circumstances).
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
 
flyingturtle
Posts: 4749
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:39 pm

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:05 pm

Great stuff, especially for a country with 70% Catholics (and 25% having no religious affiliation)!
  

David
Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
 
User avatar
DocLightning
Posts: 20142
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:51 am

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:05 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 2):
Great stuff, especially for a country with 70% Catholics (and 25% having no religious affiliation)!

Is it that high? A lot of the Spaniards I know (and admittedly I know a skewed sample) say that they've asked the Church to strike them from its rolls (or whatever it's called) but that the Church hasn't been doing it.

Anyway, I get the sense that most Spanish Catholics are mostly Catholic on Easter and Christmas.
-Doc Lightning-

"The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars."
-Carl Sagan
 
flyingturtle
Posts: 4749
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:39 pm

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Is it that high?

Hmm, at least according to a quick glimpse of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Spain . Anyway, it says that the Church hasn't much authority left.  


David
Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
 
User avatar
DeltaMD90
Posts: 8245
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:25 pm

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:22 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 4):
Anyway, it says that the Church hasn't much authority left.  

One of the things I want to see in my lifetime is the Catholic Church embracing gay marriage...

Congrats to Spain!
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
User avatar
DocLightning
Posts: 20142
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:51 am

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
One of the things I want to see in my lifetime is the Catholic Church embracing gay marriage...

You won't. There are too many old men stuck in their ways in the hierarchy of the Church. After all, they won't ordain women and women's rights is a far older cause than gay rights.

The heierarchy is meant to move slowly and conservatively. That's why you will never see a young pope. It's just the nature of the Church. It is not a progressive, quickly-evolving religion.
-Doc Lightning-

"The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars."
-Carl Sagan
 
flyingturtle
Posts: 4749
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:39 pm

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:35 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
The heierarchy is meant to move slowly and conservatively. That's why you will never see a young pope.

That's what I wish for the Catholic church - that they elect a 14 years old pope. At 24, he will surely ask himself what he can change in the world, and where his conscience really lies. I'm sure he won't waste the remaining 65 years of his life, feeling like the guardian of his own luxury prison.

They elected Ratzinger in 2005, as an already 78 years old pope. Being quite liberal as a young theologician, he came to be a conservative and loyal priest in his later years.

You won't see much change with him at the helm.


David
Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 7948
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:48 am

Many say an old guy was elected because there was no clear winner amongst younger guys, so that left the rest a few more years to find a better candidate.

Officially God chose him of course.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
 
something
Posts: 1239
Joined: Fri May 13, 2011 5:29 pm

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:11 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Anyway, I get the sense that most Spanish Catholics are mostly Catholic on Easter and Christmas.

Religion in Europe is different from religion in the USA. When someone is catholic, it usually means not more than they have an imaginary friend. No one is actually taking the bible seriously, would go as far as denying evolution etc. Obviously most of Europe's social mores derive directly from its religious past but religion in 2012 does not really exist as an organized cult anymore. It's more ''private relationships with a higher power'', if you will.

Still, Spain is a fairly conservative country. Conservative for European standards.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 1):
Good thing ! What is the situation for abortion rights ? I know it moved forward under Zapatero.

I was under the impression that Spain had the most liberal abortion laws in Europe, allowing abortions up to the 5th month of pregnancy. Most other European countries draw the line at the 3rd.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
One of the things I want to see in my lifetime is the Catholic Church embracing gay marriage...

One step at a time. As of now, they dismiss the idea of condoms even.
..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
 
User avatar
mad99
Posts: 920
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:33 am

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 1):
I know it moved forward under Zapatero

You think this is a good thing?

Quoting something (Reply 9):
Conservative for European standards.

I wouldn't agree with that. Spain is pretty liberal on loads of things.
 
JJJ
Posts: 2288
Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 5:12 pm

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:11 pm

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
A few minutes ago The Supreme Tribunal in Spain ratified the figure of "matrimony" for gay couples.

Homosexual civil unions were never in question, what the Supreme Court ratified is that it can be defined as "marriage" just like the usual man-woman unions.

They were in favour of calling them something like civil unions rather than marriage.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 1):
Here the law for "marriage for all" is under legislative review right now, with the right-wing opposition screaming murder (when it is very well known that most moderates are really in favor of it) and now claiming that if they get back in power they'll scrap the law. As if it was easy to do when that would mean ripping families apart (adoption is part of the law).

Here they did not even wait for that, as soon as the law was passed, they contested it in court.
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 7948
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

RE: Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage

Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting mad99 (Reply 10):
You think this is a good thing?

Yes.

I just checked and the law is basically the same we have had in France since the 70's. 14 weeks (12 + 2) for an elective abortion, after that it's only allowed for health reasons. Before that abortion were already practiced in Spain but with an extreme degree of hypocrisy, since it was allowed for the well being of the mother, so a woman had to pretend having the child would harm her mentally.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 11):
Here they did not even wait for that, as soon as the law was passed, they contested it in court.

It may happen here too (the law just passed government approval today) but I'm sure its proponents will be very careful about making the law constitutional, so the constitutional court will probably let it pass after a few days at most.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: brendows, Okie, WIederling and 22 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos