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Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:58 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...nton-bush-election-2016-candidates

The Washington political media abhors a news vacuum – and so it is that a dream contest between Hillary Clinton on the Democratic side and Jeb Bush for the Republicans steps into the breach.

The ever-breathless Politico is the first to go large on the subject, with a banner headline of "2016 election: Hillary Clinton v Jeb Bush?" – with the question mark as the only hint of reticence.

"What's certain," Politico's reporters declared, "is that Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush loom the largest over their respective parties as the long road toward 2016 begins."


I think the article is spot on and this has been my prediction for quite a while. Why else would Hillary be leaving Obama's cabinet? She's gotta distance herself from the administration because Biden's probably gonna run against her in the primary, though I don't think he'd win. I guess we'll have to see where things stand in four years, but I think that the economy will only marginally improve and jobs will still be at the forefront of the next election. As for Bush, the GOP would be wise to convince him to run as he would greatly help with the Latino vote (he speaks Spanish fluently I believe). Not to mention it would give them a leg-up on getting Florida's electoral votes. The only downside is that he's never really seemed THAT enthusiastic about running, and it could be another bruising/bitter GOP primary especially if the far-right Tea Party people get involved. Since I'm from Wisconsin, I personally don't see Scott Walker or Paul Ryan entering the race.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:07 am

I don't get all this talk of 2016... last election was only 2 days ago. There could be rising stars in either party sprout up, the Tea Party might cause a civil war within the Republican Party, heaven forbid Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush could die within 4 years...

very premature IMO. After GWB, I don't think Jeb Bush has much of a chance (good reason or bad, that's the way I see it)
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:09 am

Really? Hillary? Biden? Both has-beens.

I truly hope both of them realize that by 2016 that the job is beyond their capabilities (and yes, God help us if BHO dies before his end of term!).

I hope the Dems come up with someone better than that, or they'll be in the same shoes that the GOP are in right now.

Someone young and sharp like Paul Ryan would kick both Grampa Joe and Grandma Hillary's asses without breaking a sweat.

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Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:16 am

The wife of a president against the brother and son of two presidents ? Doubt that would be real inspiring for the average Joe.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:33 am

Mrs. Clinton has said more than once that she is not interested in the job.

Look, she's just been SecState for four years. That is a horribly grueling job in which your circadian rhythm gets completely shanked. All the executive aircraft/AF1 and five-star hotel suites in the world don't make up for the comforts of just being at home and going to bed at the same time in the same bed every night. She's retiring from her job as SecState no doubt for the same reason that others have; she's exhausted. I think that she would like to settle down and enjoy some retirement.

Besides, she'll be 69 in 2016. The Presidency is not a job for someone that old. Just ask Mrs. Reagan what it was like for her husband.

In 2004, I had never even heard of Barack Obama and unless you are from Illinois, neither had you. In the spring of 2008, I turned to a friend fo mine and said: "Holy sh!t... the next President is going to be either a woman or a black man."

It is not going to be Mrs. Clinton.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:50 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):

I don't get all this talk of 2016... last election was only 2 days ago.

The real political junkies were probably working on this as soon as they figured this election was set.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
Really? Hillary? Biden? Both has-beens.

Has beens? A vice President and SecState - as compared to Mr. Businessman and Goofy in Ralph Nader left over suits?

I believe that Goofy will try to run and will be set aside - he was part of a loosing tam this year.

Bush III? Gimme a break. He would not distance himself from Bush II.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
Someone young and sharp like Paul Ryan would kick both Grampa Joe and Grandma Hillary's asses without breaking a sweat.

Paul Ryan is so 2012. Keep him in the House so he can be Nerdy. As far as a national politician you remember that he lost.

He is sort of like Palin. He had his time - now he needs to send the suits back to Nader.

But, hey, Rubio is making his first trip to Iowa. That guy is dipping his toes. Sadly he looks like one of the men on the cake at a gay wedding.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:01 am

My guess on the GOP side is Jon Huntsman. He's a well-rounded conservative not influenced by the Tea Party, and will appeal to those on the right who feel this election was lost because it appeared too extreme. He also has real governing experience, having been Utah's governor not too long ago. You read it here first!  

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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:04 am

I predict that in 2016 we will see Paul Ryan running for President. He's young enough and he's familiar with the process now. Whether he'll get the nomination is a different question.

As for Jeb Bush, I think his brother pretty much ruined the family name. I doubt anyone with that last name will be running for President any time soon. That's a pity because he's actually pretty moderate.

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Paul Ryan is so 2012. He is sort of like Palin.

I disagree. Mrs. Palin was a disaster because she said so many absolutely outrageous and extremist things. Her egotistical personality really shone through in that campaign and then she quit as Governor of Alaska. Mr. Ryan actually kept his cool. He's not going to quit the house. I may disagree with him on almost every issue, but he's not full of psychopathological egotism like Mrs. Palin.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:08 am

No way Jeb Bush would get the nomination. I think no matter was side of the aisle you are on you don't want another Bush fiasco. I'm not familiar with his politics, but even if he was a polar opposite of his brother I don't think he has a shot. Hillary I think has had enough. Her and Bill will call it a day and do a couple 200,000 dollar speeches a year. Biden I honestly don' think could get the nomination either. At that point he'll be old and frankly after the VP debate he kind of creeps me out. The republicans need to find a nice candidate who is more towards the center of the spectrum. They really need to do some soul searching. Another election cycle talking down on contraception and gay rights and they're done.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:09 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
There could be rising stars in either party sprout up,


Maybe, though none of them would probably be ready to run for president next time around. I doubt that someone completely unknown as of now is going to get their party's nomination.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Mrs. Clinton has said more than once that she is not interested in the job.

Isn't that how a lot of presidential campaigns start out?
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:30 am

Jeb Bush? Is that the best they've got? The Republicans really are finished this time, and good riddance too...To be honest, the only one that I'd support is Chris Christie. But he's not a Democrat, he probably won't have much of a chance if he runs as an Independent, and I don't think the GOP will take him back after he endorsed Obama over Romney. Too bad, really... he's one of the few Republicans out there who seems to have a grasp on reality.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:33 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 9):
Maybe, though none of them would probably be ready to run for president next time around. I doubt that someone completely unknown as of now is going to get their party's nomination.

Obama *cough cough*

Really, as Doc pointed out, he was basically a nobody. Maybe some senator from idk Montana will be the next president. I don't know who that is, but the current president was some random senator from Illinois.

Maybe it's because I'm young but a lot of the GOP candidates this go round weren't really big party leaders, a lot weren't around in 2008 either
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:37 am

We need fresh faces for President and VP in both parties for 2016, not retreads, no relatives of former candidates or officeholders, no former VP's.
Perhaps over the next 2 years, we could see a new generation of moderate-progressives-centrists come out in both parties especially with the work on tax, spending, entitlements, national security, immigration, health care access, the environment, infrastructure and many other issues to be dealt with in major ways.
Both parties should consider for VP a Hispanic/Latino or a woman, work hard on developing a sound group of contenders for nomination, vet out thoroughly for any skeletons in their closets so no surprises too late. In 2016, the Republicans, if they adjust and find a decent canidate could very well take back the White House.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:37 am

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 10):
To be honest, the only one that I'd support is Chris Christie.

He's got a mark on his head after the compliments he gave to the President recently
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:55 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
He's got a mark on his head after the compliments he gave to the President recently

I think that will be mostly forgotten in 6 months. I'm not familiar enough withhis policies and record to know how he'd fare in the primaries. Thoughts?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Paul Ryan is so 2012. Keep him in the House so he can be Nerdy. As far as a national politician you remember that he lost.

Sooo.... we won't have Paul Ryan to kick around? I'm just saying...
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:56 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
He's got a mark on his head after the compliments he gave to the President recently

He also has a major weight problem that would be a liability if he ran. Good or bad, appearance does make a difference and he has a challenge in that area. Get him down to a size 42 suit and he has a chance.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
My guess on the GOP side is Jon Huntsman.

I actually like him, but believe that the Tea Party would keep him from getting the nomination.

Right now I'm thinking that it won't really matter if the GOP stays on the same platform that they pushed this election. Between "legal rape" and vaginal probes the GOP really got weird in their treatment of women. Toss in their priority of protecting the wealthy on the tax side, attacks on health care reform and their focus on the white voter - it gets pretty obvious that they went too far out in right field. Keep it up and the GOP might as well put mannequins up in 2016.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:00 am

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 14):
I think that will be mostly forgotten in 6 months. I'm not familiar enough withhis policies and record to know how he'd fare in the primaries. Thoughts?

Yeah it will probably fly over, but you never know with the GOP these days (ugh I sound like such a leftist, don't I? That's how far the right seems to be going, making me sound left-leaning.) I've heard of people weighing in on him (pardon the pun) for president a while back and for VP recently, and weight did come up as an issue, as wrong as I think it is (don't really care how much he weighs as long as he's effective.)

Haven't really paid too much attention to him but he seems popular and very outspoken. I think you need a certain level of aggression to do well... Romney was pretty timid but his biggest boost occurred after going after the President in the first debate. JMO
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:08 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
Why else would Hillary be leaving Obama's cabinet?

Because she has the only job in DC even more demanding and frustrating than being President. She is quite tired. Working as SecState is even more difficult and frustrating than dealing with Congress.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Besides, she'll be 69 in 2016. The Presidency is not a job for someone that old. Just ask Mrs. Reagan what it was like for her husband.

I agree - her age is a tremendous negative. Hillary is not a sympathetic woman to voters. She can seem harsh and aloof.

She had her one chance at the Presidency, and she could not find a way to beat or disqualify President Obama.

Now my personal opinion is that Bill and Hillary are more powerful within the Democratic Party than the President. That is part of the friction you see between them. And Hillary knows she would have done a better job in the White House than the President.

Though in four years we could see something of interest in Senator Chelsea Clinton. She would be too young for 2016, but might be setting herself up for a possible run in 2020 or 2024.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:08 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
He's a well-rounded conservative

I really have no idea what that means these days.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Mr. Ryan actually kept his cool. He's not going to quit the house. I may disagree with him on almost every issue, but he's not full of psychopathological egotism like Mrs. Palin.

Agree. His biggest problem is the perception that he's taking Grandma's Social Security away. If he could find a way to lead us through that morass in the next two or so years, he'd be in great standing. He also has to fill in his relative lack of experience in international issues in the same time frame. Those are huge asks, but it's a huge job he'd be aiming for.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:09 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
Someone young and sharp like Paul Ryan would kick both Grampa Joe and Grandma Hillary's asses without breaking a sweat.

Will Paul Ryan actually be able to give some detail on his 2012 policies in 2016 ?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Mrs. Clinton has said more than once that she is not interested in the job.

Quite. And I think she means it.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
My guess on the GOP side is Jon Huntsman.

A very interesting guy but doesn't strike me as being particularly assertive.

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 10):
..To be honest, the only one that I'd support is Chris Christie.

Marco Rubio, if the GOP are paying any attention to the shifting demographics in the US.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:28 am

Jeb Bush besides for the Bush legacy would be a fantastic canidate for the country. He is bright, fairly moderate and would do well with the Hispanic vote. He speaks fluent Spanish and his wife is Mexican. If he would have won his first run at Florida govenour he would have been the one running in 2000.

I see Rubio as the very early favorite but who knows its too early. If the republicans want a chance to win they need to do two things. Get more of the Hispanic vote and take the social issues out of the primary and don't kill a primary candidate for being something as insane as pro choice to not against gay marriage. These are two things democrats want to part of the election because it helps them. Even though these are not real issues.
Gay Marriage is a state rights issue, abortion has already been decided. Why a candidate does not say this is beyond me but once we get those two issue out of presidential politics like they should be the Republicans can have much more success. Of course immigration would be what brings in the Hispanic vote and someone like Rubio or Jeb Bush would and do have moderate immigration plans.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:49 am

I think the GOP needs to find out what works when it comes to "moderates." You can have a "moderate" that is just a conservative that doesn't really back up the party's values (Mitt Romney seemed to do that) or you can have a "moderate" that is strong in his/her beliefs, the beliefs being more in the middle (like Jon Hunstman or even Gary Johnson.)

If that makes any sense, kind of hard to explain. Both are called moderates, but one is a moderate due to weakness in ideology, and the other is just has strong, moderate positions
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:06 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Bush III? Gimme a break. He would not distance himself from Bush II.

Democrats will still be playing the "Don't elect Bush (insert number here)" card in 2024.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
My guess on the GOP side is Jon Huntsman. He's a well-rounded conservative not influenced by the Tea Party, and will appeal to those on the right who feel this election was lost because it appeared too extreme.

Huntsman is good, but what they need is the non-white version of him.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 11):
Really, as Doc pointed out, he was basically a nobody. Maybe some senator from idk Montana will be the next president. I don't know who that is, but the current president was some random senator from Illinois.

I don't agree with that. I'll admit to having followed Illinois politics, but Obama gave a speech at the 2004 convention and it seemed like kind of an open secret that he would run for president in 2008.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
I don't agree with that. I'll admit to having followed Illinois politics, but Obama gave a speech at the 2004 convention and it seemed like kind of an open secret that he would run for president in 2008.

Clint Eastwood, 2016?  
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:06 am

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Clint Eastwood, 2016?

Might just as well field an empty chair, then nominate Big Bird for VP.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:00 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 21):
I think the GOP needs to find out what works when it comes to "moderates." You can have a "moderate" that is just a conservative that doesn't really back up the party's values (Mitt Romney seemed to do that) or you can have a "moderate" that is strong in his/her beliefs, the beliefs being more in the middle (like Jon Hunstman or even Gary Johnson.)

If that makes any sense, kind of hard to explain. Both are called moderates, but one is a moderate due to weakness in ideology, and the other is just has strong, moderate positions

The election leaves the right in a sea of confusion, even windbag Rush admits that.

A hardcore social conservative cannot win the Presidency, IMHO. There's just too many folks of moderate or liberal social views.

Someone who is a soft social conservative, one who says they are pro-life and have "family values" but doesn't push it on others, can win. Ronald Reagan is a clear example. He would talk to family values, yet he actually was our first divorced President.

The problem is that it's hard to keep the Bible Belt on board if you are a soft social conservative, because you can bet some hard social conservative will be running against you in the primaries. The best you can do is run right in the primaries and move to the center after, as Romney tried to do, but that has its costs.

The problem with fiscal conservatism is that everyone thinks it's a good idea but no one practices it, not even Romney during his reign in Massachusetts. His successor Weld was far more of a fiscal conservative.

What the GOP needs to find is a soft social conservative with a good record of being a fiscal conservative. On top of that, the person needs to have some charisma, some ability to get people to follow them, because to a large degree it is about the candidate themselves. Ideally this person would be relatively young and a minority or woman to help capture those demographics, and from a swing state that the GOP needs to win.

Tough order to fill, isn't it?
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:57 pm

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Chris Christie.
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I don't think the GOP will take him back after he endorsed Obama over Romney.


Did I miss something here? IIRC Christie was one of the most out-spoken critics of Obama during the presidential campaign.
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:18 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
Jeb Bush

No. After his father and brother, there will never be another Bush in the White house...unless it's a plant, in which case it would be outside.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
My guess on the GOP side is Jon Huntsman. He's a well-rounded conservative not influenced by the Tea Party, and will appeal to those on the right who feel this election was lost because it appeared too extreme. He also has real governing experience, having been Utah's governor not too long ago. You read it here first!  

Keep in mind I'm a registered Democrat, although I consider myself a moderate on most issues.

I think the best shot for the GOP a this point for 2016 would honestly be Chris Christie. He has high approval ratings in NJ, and has shown that he can work with both parties, something we haven't seen since Clinton. Also on the GOP side, I could potentially see Paul Ryan, Jon Huntsman, or Bobby Jindal trying to make a run.

In terms of Democrats, I have no idea who we could run. Biden might be a good choice, were it not for the fact how many times he put his foot in his mouth the first term, and I can't wait to see how many times he does it this next four years.

For out next president, I'm predicting Caucasian male, under 60, and non-Jewish (don't worry guys, I still have 8 years before I can even think about running and changing that).

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 26):
Did I miss something here? IIRC Christie was one of the most out-spoken critics of Obama during the presidential campaign.

He was, is, and will continue to be. Even after Obama's visit to NJ last week Christie was still endorsing Romney.

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Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 23):
Clint Eastwood, 2016?

An actor? As President? That's crazy talk!  
Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 10):
To be honest, the only one that I'd support is Chris Christie.

Too fat.

I'm not being petty or partisan; I'm being realistic. In an era when every American has a miniature TV in his or her pocket 24/7, a presidential candidate has to have a pretty inoffensive appearance. They don't have to be models by any means, but they can't have extreme features. It's a pity because Mr. Christie is exactly the sort of Republican that the GOP needs more of. He's actually demonstrated that he puts his job above partisanship and he's willing to reach across the aisle to get things done. He wouldn't have my vote (not until he turns around on gay marriage), but at least he presents a reasonable alternative.

Unfortunately, that's the way it works. He can rise to Governor or Senator, but not President. His appearance is too much of a distraction. Even if he gets bariatric surgery and loses the weight, the weight loss will be a distraction from his campaign.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 25):
What the GOP needs to find is a soft social conservative with a good record of being a fiscal conservative.

The GOP needs to abandon social issues and embrace minorities, women, and the LGBT community. They need to take libertarian social stances. There is a very good reason why Ron Paul was so popular among NON-Republicans in the primaries and that is because he is actually, as he said, the only true Conservative on the panel. He says he wants smaller government and he means it. He wants smaller military, he wants to end the drug war, he wants the government to stop banning private behaviors, and he's against amending the Constitution against gay marriage. He also wants less social services, less taxes, and he even wants to rescind the Civil Rights Act.

I may disagree with a lot of his views on the role of government, but I have to grant that he has an internally consistent philosophy. I would very much enjoy debating with him. He actually thinks about what he says and about what he believes rather than parroting disconnected talking points.

He is what the GOP needs to be. Not Romney. Not Santorum. Paul.
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:11 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):

The same thing happened back in 2004 when W won his second term.    Talk was already on campaign 2008. That's our society today impatient and in a hurry.

Ironically, Jeb is probably the best Bush out there. Could he live down the family name soiled by his dad Mr. New World Order George Herbert Walker Bush and really banged to hell by "touched" "W?" Time will tell. All this speculation is fun to discuss. I have the feeling both parties will want to move away from the old school politicians and ideas due to social media, and changing demographics. Hillary may have 1 more run in her but, here are my possible predictions of candidates for 2016.

Republicans:

Paul Ryan
John Huntsman
Senator Portman
Bobby Gindel
Marco Rubio
Chris Christie
Rand Paul
(Though he says no I wouldn't count out the Mittster)
Sarah Palin
Joe The Plumber (fringe candidate)

Democrats:
VP Biden (early primary casulty)
Hillary Clinton (mid primary casulty
Our Governor Martin O'Malley
New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landru
Denver Mayor Higgenlooper
Chicago Mayor Rom Emanual
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:19 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
In 2004, I had never even heard of Barack Obama and unless you are from Illinois, neither had you.

Speak for yourself. I watched his speech at the DNC in 2004 and said - out loud - "That guy is going to be President someday."

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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:56 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 30):
Damn, sometimes I hate it when I'm right...

Not once, but TWICE!  

(Yes, I'm rubbing it in.   )
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:07 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 17):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):Besides, she'll be 69 in 2016. The Presidency is not a job for someone that old. Just ask Mrs. Reagan what it was like for her husband.
I agree - her age is a tremendous negative. Hillary is not a sympathetic woman to voters. She can seem harsh and aloof.

True.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 17):
e had her one chance at the Presidency, and she could not find a way to beat or disqualify President Obama.

Too bad. I might have gone for her in that election.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 19):
Marco Rubio, if the GOP are paying any attention to the shifting demographics in the US.

They are.

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
Gay Marriage is a state rights issue, abortion has already been decided. Why a candidate does not say this is beyond me but once we get those two issue out of presidential politics like they should be the Republicans can have much more success.

The right can't say it because they lose their base. If the issues don't come up naturally, you can bet that the left will be throwing them out there just so the GOP has to answer to/defend their positions. Then you get the wackos spouting off and things get all twisted around and....well, here we are.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 23):
Clint Eastwood, 2016?

Doh!

Quoting Revelation (Reply 25):
A hardcore social conservative cannot win the Presidency, IMHO. There's just too many folks of moderate or liberal social views.

While there are other factors at play, that is likely true.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 25):
What the GOP needs to find is a soft social conservative with a good record of being a fiscal conservative. On top of that, the person needs to have some charisma, some ability to get people to follow them, because to a large degree it is about the candidate themselves. Ideally this person would be relatively young and a minority or woman to help capture those demographics, and from a swing state that the GOP needs to win.

I agree with that.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 27):
Biden might be a good choice, were it not for the fact how many times he put his foot in his mouth the first term, and I can't wait to see how many times he does it this next four years.

Biden would be horrible, imho. The guy comes off as a real jerk and I think the foot-in-mouth things happen because he's trying to hide his true feelings but fails. Just my opinion.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 28):
The GOP needs to abandon social issues and embrace minorities, women, and the LGBT community.

Perhaps, but then what's the point? You've just described the democatic party. The GOP needs to soften their stand on social issues but if they "abandon" them you will see a third party rise in it's place. Without the social issues, and with their poor track record on being fiscally conservative, I simply think they'd be toast.

But I'm fine with that. I would like to see a center-right perhaps Libertarian party rise, if only so that we can get things done.

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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 27):
No. After his father and brother, there will never be another Bush in the White house...unless it's a plant,

I'm sure there are plenty of Bushes in the White House, I really doubt all the ladies shave! 
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:43 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 32):
Perhaps, but then what's the point? You've just described the democatic party.

No. Not really. You can agree with your rivals on rights without agreeing with them on fiscal policy. I'd like to see a good counterpoint to the liberal tendency to regulate, spend, and tax.

Right now, the only counterpoint is to NOT regulate, spend enormous amounts on the military only, and not tax. That's not a very viable alternative.
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:11 pm

Cant remember his name-------but, what about the keynote speaker @ the Dem Convention??
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 35):
but, what about the keynote speaker @ the Dem Convention??

Bill Clinton? I don't think he wants the job.     

Julian Castro is the man you're thinking of. Oddly, not a Spanish-speaker. But I do wonder if the next election cycle isn't going to wind up with two women running against each-other.
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:02 pm

That would be a dream match up for the media, but I hope it doesn't happen. Hillary has been a career Washington politician, which is something I do not want to see in the next president. Jeb Bush is a great man, and while I think he would do a good job, I think would be harmed big time by his last name, even though I believe he is smarter than his older brother.

On the Democratic Side, the names to keep an eye on are Andrew Cuomo, who is a very well respected Governor, Deval Patrick, who could be the new AG if holder leaves, Martin O'Malley, and Amy Klobuchar.

On the Republican Side, Bobby Jindal is almost certainly going to run, as is Chris Christie, and Marco Rubio has to be mentioned as well. Nikki Haley and Susanna Martinez would also be great candidates, and of course don't count out Paul Ryan.
 
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 37):
On the Democratic Side, the names to keep an eye on are Andrew Cuomo, who is a very well respected Governor, Deval Patrick, who could be the new AG if holder leaves, Martin O'Malley, and Amy Klobuchar.

I guarantee you the last name "Klobuchar" is not going to win. Seriously, the most inane things can sink can sink a candidate.

"Obama" is easy to spell, easy to pronounce, easy to remember. Had his last name been "Njdoubwe" I promise he would never have gotten as far as the Convention. Honestly, the strangest last name to win the Presidency is "Eisenhower." And that's only because he'd just finished winning a World War for the USA.
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:28 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 33):
I'm sure there are plenty of Bushes in the White House, I really doubt all the ladies shave! 

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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:31 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 37):
On the Republican Side, Bobby Jindal is almost certainly going to run, as is Chris Christie, and Marco Rubio has to be mentioned as well. Nikki Haley and Susanna Martinez would also be great candidates, and of course don't count out Paul Ryan.

I'd think Santorum would try again but likely not succeed. He came popular toward the end of this year's Republican primaries after the circus show of Bachmann, Perry, Cain and Gingrich. Christie, I suspect might not because of the weight issue.

It'd be interesting if a non white candidate like Jindal clinched the GOP Presidential nomination and later to see his support on Election Day across many red states in the south.
 
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:23 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 28):
Unfortunately, that's the way it works. He can rise to Governor or Senator, but not President. His appearance is too much of a distraction. Even if he gets bariatric surgery and loses the weight, the weight loss will be a distraction from his campaign.

François Hollande lost a lot of weight before starting campaigning and is now president.

The new mayor of Antwerp, Bart De Wever, lost 60Kg in less than a year, while campaigning.
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:04 am

Hillary Clinton is definitely possible for the Democratic nomination.

Now, for the republicans....

Neither Sarah Palin or Jeb Bush. Palin, because the media had a field day with her in 08' for some reason, 2016 wouldn't be any different and Jeb Bush because of so many people still blaming things on George W. Bush.

The Republicans are more likely to go with Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Bob McDonnell, or Rand Paul.
 
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:17 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 41):
François Hollande lost a lot of weight before starting campaigning and is now president.

You are comparing French politics and image politics to US politics. In France, the President has an affair and people laugh about it.

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 42):
The Republicans are more likely to go with Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Bob McDonnell, or Rand Paul.

Agree with Ryan.

Jindal may run, but he won't make it past the primaries. He's too scrawny and nerdy-looking and just downright goofy in his general demeanor. Standing next to Paul Ryan, he's going to look like the school nerd standing next to the Homecoming king. Remember, appearances are really important.

McDonnell has the image down. Handsome, square-jawed with just enough grey hair. But he's got a lot of skeletons in his closet, especially on social issues. He's going to have to openly reject some of his past statements, including his 1989 thesis that called working women a threat to the family. What the GOP learned in the election is that they need to tone down the social issues because it distracts from their economic message. What's good about McDonnell is that he's actually economically reasonable. He believes that the government should build infrastructure, plan transportation, and support businesses.

Rand Paul is going to run into the same problem his father did, I'm afraid.
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:41 am

I bet on Castro vs Rubio.

(no, not that Castro, either Juan or Joaquin Castro, can't decide which)

Other names who might make the list, in my opinion, are Huntsman, Portman, Santorum, Ryan, Christie and Haley on the right, Emanuel, Napolitano, Booker and Biden on the left.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 27):
there will never be another Bush in the White house

If the GOP loses in 2016, watch out for George P Bush in 2020... There are more Bushes than you can shake a stick at!

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 30):
I watched his speech at the DNC in 2004 and said - out loud - "That guy is going to be President someday."

Ditto, and I am going all-or-nothing on one of the Castro brothers...
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):

I feel Christie even though he's "super sized" is electable for the President. Maybe not as much as in the 1950's but sometimes people equate success at least in men with corpulance. Though I'm a lifelong Democrat, I like Christie at least as a person. He rose to the occasian and worked with the President after Hurricane Sandy. He has that teddy bear take no sh*t attitude. Many of our dad's had that Tony Soprano, Chris Christie tough love thing going. (I'm a baby boomer, so my dad was from the end of the WWII early Korean War generation. Sometimes the hippo set can communicate the bitter pill we may have to swallow and we'd swallow it. However we are still living the double standard, a woman of size would have trouble getting elected POTUS. Had Sarah Palin looked like a pregnant obese Jessica Simpson she would have never even made it to the vetting stage. Let's face it, the MILF body and athletic legginess besides her job as governor elevated her to the spotlight. When she was first nominated (before opening her mouth) I felt the GOP had a slam dunk, Mc Cain and Palin ticket. Then, she yapped, her hottie daughter had an illegitimate baby with that questionable dude Levi and the rest is history.

With Hillary Clinton if she kept in better shape and kept her bob hair style (during the 1992 campaign) she'd have a better chance at winning the prize (POTUS)

On the GOP side if Ryan toned down the right wing Tea Party pro fetus banter he could pull it off. Our society is fickle and forgets yesterday's news. Just look at Paris Hilton. Several years ago that's all you saw and heard. Now, she's out of the limelight and it's the "Kartrashian Sisters, and Honey Boo Boo and her retarded family."
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:10 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 45):
I feel Christie even though he's "super sized" is electable for the President. Maybe not as much as in the 1950's but sometimes people equate success at least in men with corpulance.

There's a belly and then there's... that.

Believe me, I'd love a choice between Christie and some Democrat. President Christie would not make me want to leave the country. I could be OK with President Christie.
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:22 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 46):

I even hold hout the remote hope Christie leaves the dark side and comes to the D's. With much of the country hippo sized (I can include myself) he or someone else of size could pull it off it they had the personality and balls to handle the job of POTUS.

Look at the Donald. He's not of size but that goofy look on his face and that 1970's billy goat combover hair style from hell and he get's lots of attention. I bet a lot of this country would elect him if he ran for POTUS. I can count myself as one who would just say hell no. The Trumpster looks like a middle aged Down's syndrome male but I imagine if he wanted it the GOP would nominate him.
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):
I even hold hout the remote hope Christie leaves the dark side and comes to the D's.

Doubt it. Besides, I like him over there. He's actually reasonable.

It's lovely to fantasize about the GOP becoming completely irrelevant and ultimately compromising a permanent 30% minority in government. Well, it's lovely until you realize that a one-party government isn't really a very effective democracy.

I want a loyal opposition. If we can't have a multi-party government, we can at least have a loyal opposition. Since 2008, the GOP has not been a loyal opposition. Mr. Christie can teach them how to be that again.
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RE: Will It Be Hillary Clinton Vs. Jeb Bush In 2016?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:53 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 11):
I don't know who that is, but the current president was some random senator from Illinois.

See below...

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
Obama gave a speech at the 2004 convention and it seemed like kind of an open secret that he would run for president in 2008.

I'm not even from the States but I saw snippets of that speech and an interview on CNN, if I recall correctly, and it seemed pretty clear to this cat that his sights were set on 2008. He was touted as a rising star within the Democratic ranks back then.... kind of how Ryan's star was highlighted this election. The difference being that Ryan's star fell hard on the national stage, having not made a big impression on those outside of the Republican party.

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