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Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:33 am

This pretty much says it all.....
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:38 am

I think Republicans and Teabaggers are the biggest drama queens in the universe....and trust me, i've been around a few in my 50 years.

 
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:47 am

Quoting johnboy (Reply 1):

I think Republicans and Teabaggers are the biggest drama queens in the universe.

That's about it.

But let's add that they are unable to see past their tax shelters. My Aussie brother-in-law in a Skype video chat told my wife that one poll in Australia had 95% of Australians wanting Obama to win. I wouldn't be surprised if strong majorities in other advanced countries didn't feel the same. Maybe not that strong a majority, but strong majorities.

Personally I feel far safer with a President that works hard to pull us out of a massive recession than the President that drug us into that Great Recession.

As far as "trajectories" go, the Bush/Cheney Trajectory headed directly South. Anything is an improvement over that.
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:48 am

Oh brother. I don't even know where to begin. This seems to be the narrative I'm hearing emerging: President Obama did win fair and square, but it's because everyone is dependent on government on stuff.

Well guess what, there are lazy leeching liberals that are doing nothing good for this country, but there are PLENTY of good, hard working, productive liberals out there. I think you may misunderstand their message: It's not that they want to give handouts to everyone too lazy to work, they want to make a level playing field so that everyone has a shot to work hard and achieve their goals.

Liberals acknowledge that there will always be "welfare queens" and that is the reality in giving everyone a fair shot. A conservative example (just to make a point, I'm not condoning anything): we know military action will result in some collateral damage/civilian deaths, but we shouldn't stop all military action because of that. (for the record, I'm anti-war most of the time, I'm just trying to make a point.)

Now you are free to disagree with that line of thinking... but please at least understand what exactly their message is. Maybe it will make sense to you, and you might have a good idea that goes in that direction but still stays within the conservative line of thinking (aka, a compromise.)

America has been through much worse and will continue to do well. Despite a global recession and what you think is an ineffective President, we are recovering, slowly. Under these worse case scenarios, we are recovering. We'll be fine.

This coming from a right-leaning person... it just helps to understand the other side
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:50 am

The ignorance of the article's author is astonishing.

I am saddened by the loss of millions and millions of American soldiers who have died....


There hasn't been "millions and millions" of American soldiers who have died. Ever. Total. Anywhere.



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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting johnboy (Reply 1):
Teabaggers

When you respond to a post you think is outrageous with a comment equally outrageous (using the term teabagger) you're not doing anyone any good. Here I am trying to convey you and other liberals' points of view and all you're gonna do is enrage him and set up a pissing match with insults flying anywhere.

May be koom-bie-ah-ish (however you spell it) but really, let's have a real discussion instead of fulfilling, in many's minds, a liberal stereotype of throwing insults around
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:10 am

Oh no, the less conservative candidate won twice. Hey listen. You've got to put up with your electoral defeats as well as your failures. It's how we built this country. Maybe you do know the true path, maybe you have information unrevealed to the world about how people who have never once even mentioned socialism and have never affected any serious structural change to the current free enterprise system are actually communists, or that assistance from the government hypnotizes people into voting for the guy with the (D) next to his name. Maybe you do.

But if you really value the creed of this country, you have to recognize that the changes, the improvements, they weren't made by the people who had the purest motivations and goals alone. They were made by elections and votes; ergo by people who had their own reasons, and their own opinions, just as much as the zealots convinced they were right.
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:14 am

I hate to be too cynical here, but this woman has already turned her back on one country, I'm sure she's looking for another today. Good riddance if you can't be a Good American and accept defeat with grace.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:19 am

Pretty much in tune with the doomsday posts I have been reading on FB and other social network websites. It is the end of America as we know it blah blah blah.

Quote:
How long we will still have freedom of speech, movement, assembly, and control of our private property remains to be seen. Faith and churches will be driven underground; allowing secularism to prosper and take deep roots among the progressives whose God is Mother Earth.

Ummm, what?

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The welfare dependent Americans, unions, and illegal aliens have chosen for the rest of us the dark path of serfdom to big government and to socialist utopia.

And they keep marginalizing the American voters who voted for Obama. They HAVE to either be lazy or illegal aliens, they just have to! Even sadder that people comment on this piece, calling it "inspirational" and an "eye-opener"...
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting pu (Reply 4):
There hasn't been "millions and millions" of American soldiers who have died. Ever. Total. Anywhere.

Maybe if you count veterans that die of natural causes.

Frankly, if Spain and Greece haven't imploded yet, there is no reason why the US won't survive four years of Democratic power.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
This pretty much says it all.....
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.

Yes it does. the GOP is full of a bunch of self entitled crybabies, that do not understand that there is a necessary Ying and Yang and a pull between the two that establishes the balance of this Democratic Republc. a few years of democratic goverment followed by a few years of republican government is a good thing. It is when there are long periods of unchecked leadership that true disasters occur.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
My Aussie brother-in-law in a Skype video chat told my wife that one poll in Australia had 95% of Australians wanting Obama to win.

That's great and all. But he doesn't represent the Australian people, he represents the American people. I'm glad he is liked abroad but he still has to keep us happy at home.

I'm so sick of these doomsday posts. I'm a republican that voted for Romney and this whole destruction talk is just sad. We are such a closed minded country it is pathetic. Why can't we focus on the positives and start working together to fix this country. Republicans and Democrats, even though many claim it is only the republicans unwilling. It works both ways. If you don't vote for him or want him reelected, fine. But he isn't just the president. He is our president. And although I may not agree with a lot of what he does, I wish him the best.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:14 am

I think i'm going to print that out just so I can wipe my ass with it. Thanks.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:20 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
When you respond to a post you think is outrageous with a comment equally outrageous (using the term teabagger)

Is it really?



I understand most of us think about the double entendre and giggle, but is it really that offensive and outrageous to call people who dress up like tea bags, and hang tea bags around their hats as 'teabaggers'.

Cue an inevitable speech about liberals are so politically correct...
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:53 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 11):
I'm so sick of these doomsday posts. I'm a republican that voted for Romney and this whole destruction talk is just sad. We are such a closed minded country it is pathetic. Why can't we focus on the positives and start working together to fix this country. Republicans and Democrats, even though many claim it is only the republicans unwilling. It works both ways. If you don't vote for him or want him reelected, fine. But he isn't just the president. He is our president. And although I may not agree with a lot of what he does, I wish him the best.
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And from an Aussie perspective, it's refreshing to hear a Republican voter with a reasoned perspective.

The fundamentalist politicking of the teabaggers (I choose that term of derisions specifically, as I see many Tea Party policies as offensive as the practice of teabagging), along with the senate Democrats will have impacts outside the USA and compromise seems to be the only way forward.
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:55 am

"Representative Allen West lost his seat by a narrow margin to the infamous Wasserman Schultz from Florida."

Uhh...

No, they're completely separate districts. Patrick Murphy beat West. DWS easily won her election.

Why would the author think 2 incumbent representatives would be facing each other? That's about as stupid as the rest of it.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:02 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Liberals acknowledge that there will always be "welfare queens" and that is the reality in giving everyone a fair shot. A conservative example (just to make a point, I'm not condoning anything): we know military action will result in some collateral damage/civilian deaths, but we shouldn't stop all military action because of that. (for the record, I'm anti-war most of the time, I'm just trying to make a point.)

Now you are free to disagree with that line of thinking... but please at least understand what exactly their message is. Maybe it will make sense to you, and you might have a good idea that goes in that direction but still stays within the conservative line of thinking (aka, a compromise.)
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Under these worse case scenarios, we are recovering. We'll be fine.

I consider myself Republican and I respect the views of others. I have a few concerns though:

Looming tax increaes due to the Bush tax cuts expiring may slow economic growth. However due to increasing debt, I don't see these cuts being extended by Obama. Whether Romney would, I don't know.

Employers hiring less due to Obama Care requirements. You either need to reduce your workforce to less than 50 full-time employees or reduce their hours to under 30 hours per week. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction

People like me who are otherwise healthy, seeing a huge increase in health insurance premiums. As a college student I can not afford this.

Increased government regulations making it more costly and harder for businesses to do business. It is to the point here in Iowa where you can get in serious legal trouble from the Iowa DNR (the EPA is behind this) for too much cow poop contaiminating the ground, even in a small family run farming operation. Things that haven't been issues ever before suddenly are.

And on a personal note regardless of which side you are on, I can not stand these young women and others on Facebook stating they are excited they will still get free cell phones and birth control. It is incredibly narrow minded to think that way when much more important things like the millions are still unemployed and the debt continues to increase.

[Edited 2012-11-08 21:51:56]
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:18 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

The only thing that has died is some fantasy country that never existed where everyone has dyed blonde hair, goes to the same church, and smiles all the time.

This country is economically in much better shape than we were in at this time four years ago. We could be doing better, but when the GOP took the House in 2010 and flat-out said that they were going to make the country fail to get rid of Obama, well... that's the result. They thought that the American people were stupid enough to not notice what they were doing and would blame it on Obama. It was horribly cynical of them but apparently about 48% of voters fell for it.

They flat out said it, folks. So if you still think this is all the falt of "liberals" (and Obama is not a liberal, really), then you weren't paying attention.

But if you really think it's that dire, there are plenty of countries with more conservative economic and social policies. There's Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iran (although don't they have universal healthcare?), Indonesia, the UAE, and if you *really* hate big government, Somalia. I'm not being facetious. As far as industrialized democracies go, we're as conservative as it gets.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:42 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
This country is economically in much better shape than we were in at this time four years ago

Even with the possible fiscal cliff? We may be okay right now. But whats to say 6 months down the road we aren't in the beginning of another recession. I'm not out saying "Oh it's Obama's fault!" I'm hoping the WSJ and CBO are wrong about this fiscal cliff. But we are still in real uncertain times. Better than 4 years ago, but theres no reason to think it is just going up.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
but when the GOP took the House in 2010 and flat-out said that they were going to make the country fail to get rid of Obama,

Can you provide a link? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just want to read what was said and by whom.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:57 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):


I appreciate your post and believe it or not, I appreciate your discourse on this web site.
But that's not me, and I don't expect everyone to like it. To me they'll always be Teabaggers and anathema to this country. Didn't used to think that way, but then this is not my father's Republican Party.

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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:31 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 18):
Can you provide a link? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just want to read what was said and by whom.

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." We all remember that, right?

And then:

http://blogcritics.org/politics/arti...hope-obama-fails-just-took/page-2/

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David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. Jerry’s response was, "I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was, It doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”

Remember Boehner's comment after the first debt ceiling talks? "I got 98% of what I wanted." And then he turned around and accused the Democrats of not negotiating in good faith and not being willing to budge. But Americans seem to have really short memories.

But of more recent memory was the October jobs report. Remember the GOP reaction to that? A loyal party would be happy. The GOP was not. Outrage! Conspiracy! Investigation! They really need to work on their poker faces.

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Of course they aren't stupid enough to say it outright, although I would love to see if they have it in their internal documents on strategy. "Leadership says we can't play."

Then there's this article, too. The Fed tries to maintain the economic growth and who wants to stop them? Well, have a guess: http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...s/2012/06/05/gJQAht78GV_story.html

Reid came out and said it: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...ic-cantor-of-economic-sabotage.php

You can dismiss it as me being blindly partisan... except I'm actually not. It's just that the GOP since about 2000 has been so blindingly wrong about almost everything that it's hard to sound balanced. But hey, it's exactly what Barry Goldwater predicted would happen.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:15 am

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):

oh please...spare me. Please, wander back over to Redstate. People need to stop drinking the kool-aid and stop watching Fox News.
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:35 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 11):
I'm so sick of these doomsday posts. I'm a republican that voted for Romney and this whole destruction talk is just sad. We are such a closed minded country it is pathetic. Why can't we focus on the positives and start working together to fix this country. Republicans and Democrats, even though many claim it is only the republicans unwilling. It works both ways. If you don't vote for him or want him reelected, fine. But he isn't just the president. He is our president. And although I may not agree with a lot of what he does, I wish him the best.
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finally some rationality coming from a Republican. Thing is, im sorry, but you guys really need to turn off Fox News and their ilk. Its poisoning the rational discourse in this country.
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:37 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 15):
Why would the author think 2 incumbent representatives would be facing each other? That's about as stupid as the rest of it.

It happened in Texas in the 2000s. After the 2001 redistricting did not give the Republicans a majority of the House of Representatives seats - Tom Delay orchestrated a campaign to elect Republican 'super majorities' to the Texas House and Senate.

In 2003, the new Texas Legislature threw out the 2001 Congressional District redistricting map, and implemented a partisan Republican map.

Martin Frost - a Democratic Representative from Fort Worth, who was a personal enemy of DeLay, found his district broken into many small pieces - and Frost ended up running for re-election against another incumbent - Republican Pete Sessions - who won the revised district.

The Texas 23rd district was redrawn to put two Democrat incumbents running against each other in the Primary.

[Edited 2012-11-09 01:41:39]
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:35 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." We all remember that, right?

Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:42 am

This past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become, and for many reasons...at this point she deserves what she gets...just look to the east for her future. Iran shoots down American UAV, China months away from Nuclear subs, already copied the FG-35, I mean "Stole", ....or purchased the blueprints from Biden/Obama...next,...Weeks ago Russian nuke sub 300 miles off east coast of US. We have a weak leader and now it is time for the lions to pounce. So whats Obama gonna do about it?...Cut defense!...absolutely brilliant.
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:12 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 24):

It happened in Texas in the 2000s.

I understand it CAN happen in certain circumstances. But it's a rarity, an anomaly. It didn't happen in Florida here.

My point is not to say incumbents cannot ever face one another, my point is to say the author was flat out wrong and looked very foolish.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 26):
This past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become, and for many reasons...at this point she deserves what she gets...just look to the east for her future. Iran shoots down American UAV, China months away from Nuclear subs, already copied the FG-35, I mean "Stole", ....or purchased the blueprints from Biden/Obama...next,...Weeks ago Russian nuke sub 300 miles off east coast of US. We have a weak leader and now it is time for the lions to pounce. So whats Obama gonna do about it?...Cut defense!...absolutely brilliant.

I don't get that at all. Obama is not weak. I can think of a really good example of how Obama is not weak. Just because he doesn't like to beat war drums like we've come to expect from Republicans doesn't make that true. There are some areas where I question Obama is the most competent in, but I am extremely happy to have him as a CinC for 4 more years. And cutting defense spending they never even wanted... sounds good to me! Lots can also be saved from the more archaic aspects of the military which won't serve much use in modern warfare.

And what, you want us to 'stop' China from having nuclear subs?? Oh good, lets add them to the war list too. Maybe we can just start war with North Korea, Iran, Russia, China, Cuba, Pakistan all at once, and worry about deficit spending. That will be just phenomenal for us all.

Glad you think we are the ignorant ones.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:41 am

[/quote]
Good, now you and all of your kind should definitely start thinking about emigrating away. What about Somalia? There you can do whatever you want without government forcing you to do anything and you don't have to pay any taxes either.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 26):
is past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become, and for many reasons...at this point she deserves what she gets...just look to the east for her future. Iran shoots down American UAV, China months away from Nuclear subs, already copied the FG-35, I mean "Stole", ....or purchased the blueprints from Biden/Obama...next,...Weeks ago Russian nuke sub 300 miles off east coast of US. We have a weak leader and now it is time for the lions to pounce. So whats Obama gonna do about it?...Cut defense!...absolutely brilliant.

Hah, so you think that everyone wants to attack you? No, they are not mad. Attacking United States and that way possibly even starting WW3 would give absolutely no benefit to any country on this planet.

In fact militarist people like you who see rest of the world as your enemies are the biggest threat to world peace. If USA hadn't been playing world police with its military power world would be way safer place nowadays as most of the hate and terrorism towards western world would not exist. Your past governments caused all this terrorism we have seen so far, including 9/11. Cause war and destruction elsewhere - > It will come back at you.

I hope big masses of rational Americans will never ever let militarists like you run their country. George W Bush and many presidents in past gave world enough of that.

Recently I found really good song from one good Iraqi-English artist, it tells exactly the truth about actions of US government all around the world during last 50 years or so and how it often very well meets definition of terrorism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCqp6RZf4Eo

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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.

  

Seriously, you're giving liberals and Obama WAY too much credit.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:36 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 29):
Hah, so you think that everyone wants to attack you?

No, I don't think "everyone" wants to attack me. But there do exist "some" that are hell bent on doing so. Thats just the way it is and apathy regarding this has no place in any government.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 29):
Attacking United States and that way possibly even starting WW3 would give absolutely no benefit to any country on this planet.

Agreed!...

Quoting pvjin (Reply 29):
In fact militarist people like you who see rest of the world as your enemies are the biggest threat to world peace

Just a silly statement...While I do like shooting guns, I'm hardly a warmonger. Don't think Vietnam was necessary, don't think Iraq was necessary, Libya, etc...If countries want to kill each other have at it. The US can't clean its own house, don't know why she thinks she can clean others. See...your way off dude, gotta relax. Bush administration=sucked, Obama administration=sucked. And will another 4 years unless President Obama learned something about the American people during his campaigning but I have my doubts.

History will teach you in the past US involvement by invitation during war time help to make the world a safer place (for a while), that includes Finland. Read the history books, not the quran.

Speaking of which...9/11 was perpetrated by hate mongers. Hate has no place anywhere to the extent it has any benefit. As I recall the existence of the US in middle eastern countries served them well with US oil dollars...Dubai, Bahrain come to mind. Osama Bin Laden had a prosperous construction company as a result but he had bigger plans for his money, hate used it all of and also used up his time on earth. Middle Easterners have hijacked US commercial aircraft, blown up US airports, held hostages long before you were born. Why, they hate the Jews and Americas association with them. If you knew anything about Americans you would be surprised that most would agree we are too involved around the world and pay very little attention to our own internal issues. Every soldier I have spoken to that served in Vietnam/ Iraq and Afghanistan stated that our presence in all only aggravated the regions and will ultimately have accomplished nothing. I agree with them so that hardly classifies me as "militarist". However...this does not negate the fact that other superpowers still would like to gain the upper hand. I'm not sure the US in short term will be strong enough for the challenge, at least with the continuation of this administration. One more note,...I understand that Bin Ladens Son, Hamza, has joined the ranks of AlQaeda. Do you think he is not being watched? You never hear his name mentioned at least not yet. A word Obama used..."revenge"...think Hamza uses it too. I'd be pissed if some one killed my father.
 
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:34 pm

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 31):
No, I don't think "everyone" wants to attack me. But there do exist "some" that are hell bent on doing so. Thats just the way it is and apathy regarding this has no place in any government.

No, no country in this planet wants to start a war with the US. There are some terrorist groups sure, but fighting against them by invading countries where they operate only raises their popularity.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 31):
. Don't think Vietnam was necessary, don't think Iraq was necessary, Libya, etc...

Good, at least Vietnam and Iraq did way more bad than good. Libya, well at least there the revolution was started by Libyans themselves, not forced by the US, I personally think helping rebels in Libya was ok thing to do.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 31):
History will teach you in the past US involvement by invitation during war time help to make the world a safer place (for a while), that includes Finland. Read the history books, not the quran.

During WW2 you were helping Soviets at the same time when we were fighting against them. Sure, maybe during cold war US kept Soviets out from rest of Europe, but truly US has done nothing good to Finland during actual war time. I have never read Quran and even if I did it doesn't include anything about modern times politics.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 31):
Middle Easterners have hijacked US commercial aircraft, blown up US airports, held hostages long before you were born.

And US navy has shot down commercial airliner belonging to Iran Air during Gulf War, killing over 200. Also United States has given asylum to some terrorists who bombed down Cuban passenger airliner.

But yeah sure those fighting against US have also been involved in horrible things, I just dislike to see their actions always recognized as terrorism and then similar actions committed by US forces as rightful acts that belong to war. I doubt someone who has lost his/her whole family in US airstrike gets much relief to his/her pain from hearing that it was just an accident and was not intended to kill civilians.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:59 pm

$19 Trillion on the way.
Harry Reid on Hiking Debt Limit to $18.794T: ‘We’ll Raise It’
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/harr...-debt-limit-18794t-we-ll-raise-it.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin

Lets see your   posts in 2014.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 30):

Seriously, you're giving liberals and Obama WAY too much credit.

It's the PEOPLE that voted FOR him. He is just the vehicle for them to suck this country dry.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 32):
No, no country in this planet wants to start a war with the US. There are some terrorist groups sure, but fighting against them by invading countries where they operate only raises their popularity.

I Don't disagree...the situation cannot be ignored either as not reacting creates more resolve....

Quoting pvjin (Reply 32):
Good, at least Vietnam and Iraq did way more bad than good. Libya, well at least there the revolution was started by Libyans themselves, not forced by the US, I personally think helping rebels in Libya was ok thing to do.

Truth is...all of us only regurgatate the information we glean from TV/ internet etc...we never really know what goes on unless we were there.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 32):
I have never read Quran and even if I did it doesn't include anything about modern times politics

Yes it does...the ideology is a clear danger to many other than the US...

Quoting pvjin (Reply 32):
And US navy has shot down commercial airliner belonging to Iran Air during Gulf War, killing over 200. Also United States has given asylum to some terrorists who bombed down Cuban passenger airliner.

True...a mistake?...probably, intentially definatelly not, but who really know. Never said the US was perfect. The shoot down was a terrible event either way...the answer could have been TWA800...maybe/. maybe not...

Think you and I would agree war sucks, especially war for profit which I believe this country is guilty of but sometimes it is a necessary evil for the survival of race/country. I condone it only if attacked. We have been and have done nothing, but that is my opinion probably shared only by myself... Gotta run!...g
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 28):
And what, you want us to 'stop' China from having nuclear subs??

Considering the PLAN has had SSNs since 1974, I think that horse has LONG left the barn and there was little Obama could have done. Unless, of course, soon7x7 wanted a 13-year old Obama to infiltrate the Bohai Shipyards, steal the plans for the Han-class boats, assassinate Peng Shilu, and sabotage the units under construction. And what, pray tell, is the "FG-35?" I was unaware the US Military was so heavily invested in glider technology these days!
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:23 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
When you respond to a post you think is outrageous with a comment equally outrageous (using the term teabagger)

Is it really?

No. Before I really saw what the TEA movement was all about, I might have been tempted to look at it the way DL90 there wants people to. But that kind of thinking really needs to be left to entities deserving of any kind of respect at all, ever.

The term "Teabagger" is indeed well accepted by mainstream America, and objectively speaking, yes, having a probolem with that is more than a little sensitive.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
It is to the point here in Iowa where you can get in serious legal trouble from the Iowa DNR (the EPA is behind this) for too much cow poop contaiminating the ground, even in a small family run farming operation.

Not to make light of your concern, but is there anyone out there who really wants an unlimited amount of cow poops in their yard?

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
And on a personal note regardless of which side you are on, I can not stand these young women and others on Facebook stating they are excited they will still get free cell phones and birth control.

Well if it makes you feel better, I'm equally irritated by the same number of postings lementing the invetiable, and pledging to move to Canada, Germany, Australia, & other more "Christian" places that don't have socialistic non-religious leadership.

I get what you're saying though. Some people are just beyond help, it seems.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
This country is economically in much better shape than we were in at this time four years ago.

And I think that wraps it up right there. Some things are certainly going to get more expensive, but that's the prevailing trend at virtually any point in history. Anecdotally, I can say without fear of contradiction that I have never done better than in the last four years. I don't think that political conditions caused that, but they for damned sure didn't hurt it. And this is part of why I was unable to buy into the gloom & doom t he GOP was trying to sell this time around. We have a good thing going (well starting maybe), and America made it clear she doesn't want that messed with.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:33 pm

Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
$19 Trillion on the way.
Harry Reid on Hiking Debt Limit to $18.794T: ‘We’ll Raise It’
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/harr...-debt-limit-18794t-we-ll-raise-it.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin

What's your solution?
You do realize that we ran a deficits of 1.1 trillion for 2012 ,which should be less than last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/bu...ar-falls-to-1-1-trillion.html?_r=0
About equal with and below what Bush left Obama with on Jan 20,2009, at the height of a recession.

Death of the republic? Hopefully is the end of uneducated people that can't do math in the GOP, and then rely on the liars at Fake News and Right Wing Radio to do it for them .

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/rom...ey-wrong-on-deficits-auto-bailout/
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41753



We need the Debt Limit hiked , because even though the deficit is getting better, we aren't out of the woods yet, and even though we would like to cut a lot of spending, we can't do it at once. The Debt limit needs to be raised and our congress needs to work out a plan. Declaring Death of the Republic and blaming the 50 % of the country is only viable for people with no understanding of math and policy.

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Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 35):
Yes it does...the ideology is a clear danger to many other than the US...

Quran itself includes no mention about modern day politics, its like a bible, full of stories or such though I think they are in different kind of form. There's nothing wrong with Quran itself, just with some people who take some stuff too seriously and intentionally use Quran to justify their violent actions. You know, truly terrorism against west is political and not about religion. Radical Islam is just used to justify this political violence.

Sure you can find a lot of violent bad stuff from Bible too if you want.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.

If this means the current incarnation of the GOP and their vision of the US will not recover, then I certainly hope so.

Right wing commentators are squealing as they see how marginal their vision of America has become. The fact that O'Rielly and others are so openly explaining this in purely racial terms shows their true colours. It is very satifiying to see them realize that this game is over for the Tea Party and other right wing extremists. America is not in their zone and is not likely to be there in the future. Great.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 40):
The fact that O'Rielly and others are so openly explaining this in purely racial terms shows their true colours.

And the fact that it's a man named O'Reilly that's saying it speaks volumes for how little these guys have analyzed history.

But yes, calls that the Republic is dead are not only the kind of melodrama ripe for an MTV reality show, but rather 180 degrees from reality. This vote against the 2012 Republican view of the world (as opposed to the 1984 Republican view of the world more closely espoused by the electee) is proof that in fact, America is _not_ ignorant, but rather has designs on not turning back the clock to the point in time where it was.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting n318ea (Reply 34):
It's the PEOPLE that voted FOR him. He is just the vehicle for them to suck this country dry.
Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 26):
This past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become,

Are you suggesting that Democracy is not the way to go?


     
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:39 pm

The predictable responses from the usual Moonbat's. I would not use that term but I do take offense to remarks about "teabagger's" and other derogatory remarks made by several posters here. You just can't hide your contempt to opposing points of view can you? Liberal's "tolerance"is bull$hit and a one way street.I DID realize the error of the original post reference millions of dead before I made linked to her blog. I thought the insight of a former citizen from a Communist country would be more important and that error would overlooked.
The failure of this country by BOTH parties to follow the Constitution has led to this point. There is NO way to recover from this deficit with a country infected by people who think they are owed something for the poor choices they have made/make.
I hope I can check back in this forum and tell you how wrong I was and apologize profusely to everyone. Well not all of you but some. Unfortunately I doubt that will be the case.
In the mean time, keep the hate coming!

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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
I thought the insight of a former citizen from a Communist country would be more important and that error would overlooked.

Her views are bull$hit, or maybe Republicans paid her to write such rubbish.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:50 pm

Only God can save us now with his mercy and grace.

Oh, OK, well in 2016 let's have everyone write him in, and we'll see how that goes for 4 years.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
Liberal's "tolerance"is bull$hit and a one way street.

An interesting thing is that we don't have to tolerate everything. I don't have to show any tolerance towards people who deliberately misunderstand me, or dismiss my arguments without having thought about their validity. Tolerance towards intolerance is a very bad concept.

As a general rule: If you aren't respected, you're doing something wrong. It does not matter how educated you are and how much you actually know about a topic. We can still talk respectfully.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
In the mean time, keep the hate coming!

...well.


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Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
The predictable responses from the usual Moonbat's. I would not use that term but I do take offense to remarks about "teabagger's" and other derogatory remarks made by several posters here.

So the best you can do is lower yourself to "their" level?

By the way, I first read the term "teabagger" in connection to the "TEA party" movement. I'd be surprised if it wasn't the same for most others.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
You just can't hide your contempt to opposing points of view can you?

Can you? Let's see.

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.
Quoting n318ea (Reply 34):
It's the PEOPLE that voted FOR him. He is just the vehicle for them to suck this country dry.
Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
Liberal's "tolerance"is bull$hit and a one way street.
Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
a country infected by people who think they are owed something for the poor choices they have made/make.

Hmm...    I'd have to say no, you can't.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
In the mean time, keep the hate coming!

Odd... when people advocate for peace, love and harmony, they are usually declared a naïve wimps by self-proclaimed "real Americans" and their ilk in other countries. But as soon the views of those hard, tough and straigh-talking people are criticised, the wimps are suddenly called vicious, hateful bastards.   
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:49 pm

I will say it yet again.

If you think the ship is sinking, you are welcome to bail out any time. But good luck finding an industrialized nation that has more conservative politics than the U.S.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:55 pm

n318ea, So far you have substantiated *nothing* - not one single allegation, accusation or incrimination. Same with the author of the article blog entry. Unless you start arguing and at least try to provide some reasons why Obama has put America on a "trajectory that (you) will not recover from" this is nothing more than drivel.
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RE: Death Of The Republic

Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
$19 Trillion on the way.
Harry Reid on Hiking Debt Limit to $18.794T: ‘We’ll Raise It’
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/harr...e-it.

Indeed, causing a national default is sure to be a much more satisfying solution to every global financial market on Planet Earth.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin

You'd be surprised who's gaining the most relative to government policy from your idealized visions of the past. One side effect of the reactions to LBJ's Great Society programs is that a massive amount of "entitlement" money now goes to the middle class and other "honest hard-working Americans" because it's easier to sell that type of policy to a suspicious nation when the bulk of the electorate benefits as well.

Also, one side effect of Reagan and his economic policy is that the tax rates for the wealthiest Americans are half of what they were in 1956, and owing to changes in how elections are conducted money is now more important to the course of elections than it has been in years. As such it's hard to believe that the self-reliant supermen who this country depends on (apparently) aren't voting a bit more take-home pay themselves. Indeed, it's practically in their creed to keep taxes on the successful as low as they can. So who's to say they aren't voting themselves even more money than the people who turned out for Obama?

Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
Lets see your   posts in 2014.

I'll be sure to remind you how society hasn't collapsed yet and government is still a functioning entity carrying out the actions necessary and proper for the general welfare of the United States, just as the Constitution (from 200 years ago written by people who, to the best of all possible knowledge, did not have any means of predicting the future) prescribes.  
Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
In the mean time, keep the hate coming!

Oh how I would so love for this to be an unrestricted license to flame you.

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