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CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:23 pm

Nice of him to wait until Obama was re-elected. I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair. Sources expect the President to offer the top spy boss position to Deputy Mike Morrell.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/natio...xtra-Marital-Affair-178159541.html
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair.

Normally, I'd agree, but you really don't want your CIA director involved in something that could be an opportunity for blackmail. Disloyalty is a problem in that position.

A real shame, though.

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Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:46 pm

Do you think one day the US populace will stop caring about the sex life of their politicians ? I mean caring in a bad way, reading on it in glossy magazines is fine.

A top minister of the French government, Minister of Industrial Renewal Arnaud Montebourg, a media darling and popular candidate in the socialist primary (I voted for him), has been dating prominent TV and print journalist Audrey Pulvar for years, making it to many such magazines. Just yesterday she kissed another journalist to show their support for marriage equality : could you imagine that all situation in the US ?



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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:23 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):
Do you think one day the US populace will stop caring about the sex life of their politicians ?

I would generally agree with you, but in this case, this is the head of the CIA. Do we really want that hanging over his head?

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Disloyalty is a problem in that position.

The other question is who he was having an affair with. Supposing I ever find myself in the position of his wife, I don't know whether forgiveness will be an option (one of these situations you have to be in to really know, I think), but I certainly can't imagine that forgiveness would extend to staying at the same job if that is where the affair began.
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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:27 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
I would generally agree with you, but in this case, this is the head of the CIA. Do we really want that hanging over his head?

It only hangs because revealing the affair would be damaging.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
The other question is who he was having an affair with

His biographer, apparently. Not a great idea to bang a journalist when you are a nation's top spy.

[Edited 2012-11-09 14:35:30]
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:35 pm

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Nice of him to wait until Obama was re-elected. I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair.

You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Seriously?
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:43 pm

I'm sorry to see him go, but appreciate him waiting until after the election before acting. I also appreciate his service to the nation over many years and hope his personal life can be returned to a better relationship.

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair.

There are positions in government where a security clearance is taken away when things like this happen. Head of the CIA is clearly one of those jobs.

Now I believe it is time to let the guy move into private life. We can have a lot of respect for his service, but now we should leave him and his family alone.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:44 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Nice of him to wait until Obama was re-elected. I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair.

You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

That's what I thought when I first saw the story. An affair is just a convenient excuse for something else, either his own dissatisfaction or the administration's.
 
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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Seriously

I'm sure all kinds of batshit crazy right-wingers are working on various crackpot theories as we speak but until we hear, via the usual channels, what they are this story is pretty much all we have to go on.

Petraeus seemed to be well respected across the political spectrum so in that sense it's a pity he has to resign.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:49 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Normally, I'd agree, but you really don't want your CIA director involved in something that could be an opportunity for blackmail.

More importantly, he's the director of the CIA and he can't even keep his own affair a secret.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Yes. There's no reason to start all the conspiracy theories until there's actual evidence.
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:50 pm

I'm pretty sure on the list of "woman the Director of the CIA shouldn't have an affair with" journalist comes right after that "that sweet secretary working at the Chinese embassy".
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):

You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Seriously?

And here we go!

The timing is iffy to be sure but I think it was for the best for everyone involved that the announcement happened after the election rather than before- you don't want a politicized CIA or military beyond what we have already. And people have in resigned over nothing more than affairs in the past, so it's not out of the question. But if it is in fact related to his job performance we'll probably know soon enough, there are enough people with an interest in finding the full story and enough people who'd probably be happy to talk about it.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:57 pm

Somebody has to take the fall for the clusterf**k that is our involvement in Libya. Beyond that, there are far greater considerations when people with top secret clearence are screwing around. It is a well known door for spys.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:09 pm

Just curious, is it illegal to have an affair? I know in some countries it is, This is what wikipedia says
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery
United States
In the United States, laws vary from state to state. In those states where adultery is still on the statute books (although rarely prosecuted), penalties vary from life sentence (Michigan)[51] to a $10 fine (Maryland) to a Class B misdemeanor (New York)[52] to a Class I felony (Wisconsin).[53] In the state of South Carolina, the criminal fine for adultery is a fine no greater than $500 and/or imprisonment for no more than one year [South Carolina code 16-15-60], yet the divorce laws codified at South Carolina Code Section 20-3-60(A) deny alimony to the adulterous spouse, which in some cases can cost the adulterous spouse millions of dollars in future income.[54]
In the U.S. Military, adultery is a potential court-martial offense.[14] The enforceability of adultery laws in the United States is unclear following Supreme Court decisions since 1965 relating to privacy and sexual intimacy of consenting adults.[55] However, occasional prosecutions do occur.[56]


In Indian law, adultery is defined as sex between a man and a woman without the consent of the woman's husband. The man is prosecutable and can be sentenced for up to five years (even if he himself was unmarried) whereas the married woman cannot be jailed.[46] Men have called the law gender discrimination in that women cannot be prosecuted for adultery[47] and the National Commission of Women has criticized the British era law of being anti-feminist as it treats women as the property of their husbands and has consequentially recommended deletion of the law or reducing it to a civil offense. The Government is yet to act.[48] Extramarital sex without the consent of one's partner can be a valid grounds for monetary penalty on government employees, as ruled by the Central Administrative Tribunal.[49]
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 8):

You really think he's going to put his wife through this public humiliation to hide something else????
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation

Yep, SOS Clinton will be right behind him as wanting to spend more time with her family.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 13):
nd. It is a well known door for spies

She's a journalist, 'nuff said.

The story is that AG Eric Holder knew (via FBI). And that means the White House knew. So why did the Obama Administration let a compromised asset stay (until after the election)?

[Edited 2012-11-09 15:56:24]
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Normally, I'd agree, but you really don't want your CIA director involved in something that could be an opportunity for blackmail. Disloyalty is a problem in that position.

This is exactly correct, and probably the top reason for the resignation.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
Yep, SOS Clinton will be right behind him as wanting to spend more time with her family.

Clinton had already hinted that she was stepping down as Secy of State at the end of the term, which is quite typical. Few Secretaries of State or Attorneys General have ever stayed for two terms. (Bush43: Powell/Rice, Clinton: Christopher/Albright, Reagan: Haig/Schultz/Baker, Nixon: Rogers/Kissinger)

So yeah... history says this isn't a conspiracy.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
The story is that AG Eric Holder knew (via FBI). And that means the White House knew.

1) Holder is not in the White House
2) The Story is not cited anywhere in your post. Gotta link?
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
And that means the White House knew.

Do you have any idea how much information enters the White House every day from various government agencies?

More than can be read by the entire White House staff.

Information provided to the President is only a very small part of that total.

Back during the Iran-Contra Congressional Hearings, Adm Poindexter was asked why he did not tell the President certain specifics about the Regan administration trading with Iran. He said because he wanted the President to be able to deny knowledge of the details.

That happens a lot in major corporations and in government.

If Holder knew, until he had proof positive, he would not tell the President. He might tell the National Security Advisor and leave the decision to tell or not tell the President to him. Holder isn't exactly the President's favorite cabinet secretary these days.

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Here is something else to thing about - Petraeus would be eligible for about $14,000 per month in retirement pay. A quick internet search says in 1999 the $5,000 per year limit for retired officers employed in civilian federal government positions was removed.

Laws to protect military spouses entitle his wife to take half of his retirement pay if they divorce. He needs to work hard on patching up his marriage. He also probably pays $910 per month for the Survivor Benefit Plan - which allows his wife to receive 55% of his retirement pay if he dies before her. If they divorce, he will not be allowed to cancel that deduction.

So if his marriage breaks up - his wife gets $7,000 per month before taxes and he gets $6,090 per month put pays taxes on $7,000.

[Edited 2012-11-09 16:33:42]
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:32 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 15):

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 8):

You really think he's going to put his wife through this public humiliation to hide something else????

The Company comes before anyone, or anyone's wife. It is perfectly plausible that it is only an affair however if the White House was happy with him I doubt they'd really let him resign over it and it is a politically expedient and morally righteous way for them to get rid of him if they wanted to. Most likely just a reshuffle after the Benghazi incident which should not have happened.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:44 am

... you know how skeptical I am of whether there was a Benghazi cover up, but it does seem kinda suspicious/coincidental that he'd resign now
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:06 am

Sad to see him go down like this. He is one of the best generals we have had in a VERY long time. Probably since Eisenhower/Patton/McAurther. Marital or non-marital issues aside, my hat is off to him.
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:20 am

Just read that the CEO-in-waiting for Lockheed Martin just resigned because the process that was screening him for the CEO job discovered he was dipping his pen in the company inkwell. The reports about Petraeus seem to indicate he was boinking his biographer, who wasn't in his chain of command at the time.

I guess this means we need to wait to find out who #3 is.
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:38 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
The story is that AG Eric Holder knew (via FBI). And that means the White House knew. So why did the Obama Administration let a compromised asset stay (until after the election)?

One of the news stories was that the FBI was given a "tip" and started an investigation.

I have a feeling that the progress of the FBI investigation was the main factor in everyone else's schedule. Neither Holder nor anyone in the White House was going to touch this bomb while the election was on the table.

Quoting D L X (Reply 17):
This is exactly correct, and probably the top reason for the resignation.

The CIA is one of those government agencies that will have a lot of very important rules and regulations. It is the duty of the DIrector to uphold those rules and regulations - not break them.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:55 am

What is interesting is that this biographer was being investigated by the FBI for allegations she was trying to get into his confidential e-mail accounts. That brought out the alleged affair. To let someone even get near that is cause to be fired/resigned. Problem with many rich/powerful people is that they usually can get away with affairs and all kinds of bad stuff but in this day of the Internet, Twitter and 'gotcha' media you can't get away with it.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:59 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Yes. There's no reason to start all the conspiracy theories until there's actual evidence.

But, that does not sell. It does not sing. The bottom line is what drives FOX and the right-wing media. Every hour there will be something new and this will not be over. Not even if God Himself comes down from the Heavens and says "Here is the truth" the right-wing media will declare it is all a hoax by the "liberal" MSM.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
SOS Clinton will be right behind him as wanting to spend more time with her family.

She was already going to resign.
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:31 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Seriously?

Yes. Petraeus has always struck me as an honorable man. If he didn't have an affair, why would he allow his name to be sullied by saying that he had, when he could have just used the "to spend more time with his family" line?

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Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:29 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):

More importantly, he's the director of the CIA and he can't even keep his own affair a secret.

As director of the CIA, he should have known that NOTHING stays a secret for long.
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:54 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

And they're off...

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
There's no reason to start all the conspiracy theories until there's actual evidence.

But it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory if facts were involved.   

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
The story is that AG Eric Holder knew (via FBI). And that means the White House knew. So why did the Obama Administration let a compromised asset stay (until after the election)?

So they could win the election, dummy. It's all part of the liberal-media socialist plan. Jeez.   
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:46 am

Quoting racko (Reply 5):
His biographer, apparently. Not a great idea to bang a journalist when you are a nation's top spy.

The woman is not your ordinary journalist/reporter.

Here are Paula Kranz' credentials:

Paula Broadwell is a research associate at Harvard University’s Center for Public Leadership and a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of War Studies, King’s College London.
She spent much of the past year in Afghanistan as an embedded author, extending her doctoral dissertation on transformational leadership and organizational innovation based on the career of U.S. Army General David Petraeus.
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She has served with the U.S. intelligence community, U.S. Special Operations Command, and FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces. Paula earned an M.A. with honors from the University of Denver’s Josef Korbel School of International Studies and an MPA degree from Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government.

http://www.penguinspeakersbureau.com/speakers/page/paula_broadwell

Harvard graduate, reporter, access to one of the US most powerful military commanders.

 


David Petraeus Almost Resigned Over Obama's Decision To Withdraw Surge Forces From Afghanistan, New Book Claims

WASHINGTON — Four-star general-turned-CIA director David Petraeus was urged to resign as Afghanistan war commander over President Barack Obama's decision to quickly draw down surge forces, according to a new insider's look at Petraeus' 37-year Army career.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...-petraeus-biography_n_1174109.html

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Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:32 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
Harvard graduate, reporter, access to one of the US most powerful military commanders.

And apparently worth a roll in the hay.

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Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 30):
And apparently worth a roll in the hay.

The mistress --> Paula Broadwell

Quite nice looking in fact... which the wifey apparently isn't.

Look here:

Wednesday January 25, 2012
Paula Broadwell
Paula Broadwell discusses her time spent with General David Petraeus in war-torn Afghanistan while researching her book "All In."
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-25-2012/paula-broadwell

Any who think that the alleged affair is all that there is to this story are incredibly naive.

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Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:26 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 31):
Any who think that the alleged affair is all that there is to this story are incredibly naive.

President Obama has absolutely nothing to gain politically or personally from the resignation.

It actually hurts him more than it could possibly help him in any investigation.

He isn't going to be re-elected in the future. He isn't going to be impeached. He isn't going to have any thing happen because of any investigation. It is all political posturing.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 32):
President Obama has absolutely nothing to gain politically or personally from the resignation.

Why was Obama hiding this Petraeus situation until after the election same as they also hid the US drone attack by Iran?

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Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:50 pm

Have you seen a timeline about when the affair occurred and when the FBI determined there was enough evidence to inform the Attorney General?

Have you seen anything that proves when the Attorney General told the President?

1. The drone attack is a non-issue in the US. Nobody cares.

2. The timing of the resignation might have been postponed until after the election since Prateus is obviously such a strong Democratic Party supporter. However, the decision to resign hurts rather than helps the President.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 34):
2. The timing of the resignation might have been postponed until after the election

Lt. Col. Ralph Peters On Petraeus: "Timing Is Just Too Perfect"
LT. COL. RALPH PETERS: The timing is just too perfect for the Obama administration. Just as the administration claimed it was purely coincidence that our Benghazi consulate was attacked on the anniversary of September 11th. Now it’s purely coincidence that this affair -- extra-marital affair -- surfaces right after the election, not before, but right after, but before the intelligence chiefs go to Capitol Hill to get grilled.

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Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
The woman is not your ordinary journalist/reporter.

Wich makes it all the more amazing that she participated in the affair. Surely she understood that it would end up in the public view.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 31):
Any who think that the alleged affair is all that there is to this story are incredibly naive.

Emails were the problem. The FBI was given a tip of abuses on emails and started an investigation. That was the start of the end.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 32):
President Obama has absolutely nothing to gain politically or personally from the resignation.

Obama held off making a decision to accept the resignation for 24 hours. He was obviously saddened by the situation and would have preferred that it had not happened.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
Why was Obama hiding this Petraeus situation until after the election same as they also hid the US drone attack by Iran?

I doubt very seriously that he was aware of the situation until this eek. He had far more important things on his mind before then.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 34):
Have you seen anything that proves when the Attorney General told the President?

It appears that Petraeus was the one that told the White House, not the AG. I have a feeling that Holder would have minimized any involvement in the investigation. There was nothing needed from him by the FBI and there was probably little desire to handle that politically hot potato.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:09 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
Lt. Col. Ralph Peters

You need to quote a credible source rather than a Soviet intel specialist who has been wrong, wrong, wrong in his political commentary over the past 10-12 years. But since he appears to be very good at telling people their conspiracy beliefs are correct rather than searching for truth - he has make a lot of money.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 36):
There was nothing needed from him by the FBI and there was probably little desire to handle that politically hot potato.

Over the past 20-30 years, the FBI has worked very hard to keep their investigations separated from the political process. Not always without success, but they do try.

The FBI does not bring an incomplete investigation to the AG and the political section of the Justice Department. The FBI does have a certain degree of political independence.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 37):
The FBI does not bring an incomplete investigation to the AG and the political section of the Justice Department. The FBI does have a certain degree of political independence.

I'll agree with that, but I believe that there are some situations where the AG will be advised of an investigation that has been started. Not for political reasons, but as SOP. This particular situation was, IMO, more related to the nature of the CIA than anything political.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:39 pm

Just spotted this - a pretty good indication why the FBI got involved in hte first place:

[quote
The collapse of the dazzling career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said.

When Petraeus’s name first surfaced, FBI investigators were concerned that the CIA director’s personal e-mail account had been hacked and security had been breached. But the sexual nature of the e-mails led them to conclude that Petraeus and Broadwell were engaged in an affair, the officials said.
[/quote]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...b2-eda299503684_story.html?hpid=z1
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:04 pm

Director of the CIA and not able to use a random email account and cryptography ?
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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 40):
Director of the CIA and not able to use a random email account and cryptography ?

No.

As a senior military officer, and more importantly as Director of the CIA - he would be required to use an e-mail account to which his agency had access.

Just think of it - the FBI finds out the top spy in the country is communicating with an unknown person with a secret e-mail account and using encryption to keep the agency from knowing what he is sending. An affair would be the 'best case'.
 
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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:56 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 32):

President Obama has absolutely nothing to gain politically or personally from the resignation.

Just a hunch, but I think Petraeus was set up because this affair happened in a flash (less than a month). If push ever came to shove in the Benghazi deal it was going to be Petraeus who could throw Obama under the bus. Someone needed to discredit him and make him a non-factor. How can Petraeus be trusted with anything he says, He's an immoral scumbag!

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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:32 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 41):
No.

As a senior military officer, and more importantly as Director of the CIA - he would be required to use an e-mail account to which his agency had access.

Just think of it - the FBI finds out the top spy in the country is communicating with an unknown person with a secret e-mail account and using encryption to keep the agency from knowing what he is sending. An affair would be the 'best case'.

Well I'm not saying he should use a random account in general, just that he should have used one with the woman, and of course not on CIA property but rather from a disposable cellphone or something. Of course if discovered it would look suspicious, but at least there is less chance of being discovered. A smarter thing to do (aside from not screwing around) would be to not communicate at all with her outside of scheduling interviews, which was easy since they had a legitimate reason to meet. Paper mail is also an option.
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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 43):
just that he should have used one with the woman, and of course not on CIA property but rather from a disposable cellphone or something. Of course if discovered it would look suspicious, but at least there is less chance of being discovered. A smarter thing to do (aside from not screwing around) would be to not communicate at all with her outside of scheduling interviews, which was easy since they had a legitimate reason to meet


The classified material agreements I signed while in the US Navy were not on his security clearance level, nor his command level. And they were long before e-mail.

But I gave the US Navy the right to look at any communication I sent or received, which at time was mail or telephone.

I'm sure he was warned in such an agreement that using private communications was not only a career ending offense, but possibly a criminal offense.

I agree with your basic thought - but if he was thinking clearly, he would never have taken his pants off.
 
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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:33 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 42):
Just a hunch, but I think Petraeus was set up because this affair happened in a flash (less than a month). If push ever came to shove in the Benghazi deal it was going to be Petraeus who could throw Obama under the bus. Someone needed to discredit him and make him a non-factor.

If he has something on the President, they would have done everything possible to cover this up and keep him in office.

This resignation does not discredit him, and it makes him a much bigger factor in any investigation.

He will testify in Congressional Hearings. The resignation will not stop that.
 
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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 42):
Just a hunch, but I think Petraeus was set up because this affair happened in a flash (less than a month)

Do we really know how long the actual affair was going on? Do we really care? Let's be blunt - he was caught in an unacceptable situation and it was exposed because of emails. I hate to say it, but how stupid are some supposedly bright people who get caught because of emails. The guy was discredited because of his overactive penis.
 
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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 46):

While I agree we should be staying out of others'/politicians' personal lives, he did use official computers/emails for inappropriate use. If he had looked at porn he would have been in deep trouble as well, so I can see sending dirty emails is very similar. Plus, I'm not a security expert, but there may have very well been some security issues here. I think this may have been very different than the typical over-hyping over sex.

That being said, GEN Petraeus has served his country extremely well. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and congratulate him on a great career
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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 46):
I hate to say it, but how stupid are some supposedly bright people who get caught because of emails.

Indeed, but the core issue isn't his use of e-mail, but the fact that he put himself into a position to be subject to blackmail.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 46):
The guy was discredited because of his overactive penis.

I suppose if he was unmarried and didn't fear exposure of the affair and was discreet, he and his overactive penis could have gotten away with it.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 47):
Plus, I'm not a security expert, but there may have very well been some security issues here. I think this may have been very different than the typical over-hyping over sex.

There are - he could easily been blackmailed. This type of thing is well known in espionage as the honey pot or honey trap. It is known to work well with all the various genders and sexual orientations.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 47):
That being said, GEN Petraeus has served his country extremely well. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and congratulate him on a great career

Yeah, I suppose, but boy was he stupid to let an affair undermine himself and his office and his family life.

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RE: CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:05 pm

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