User avatar
zippyjet
Topic Author
Posts: 5089
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2001 3:32 pm

Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:21 am

I didn't see this in the threads so here goes. There's talk of employees staging a walkout at Target and Walmart and possibly some of the other big box retail giants. Why? They are protesting the extended hours, starting Black Friday Sales on Thanksgiving Day and night. I hope they succeed and changes are made. I feel at least the one day American Thanksgiving should be for families. I have been off and worked on Turkey Day in the past. I have no problem with it. At least with my workplace FL/WN, the company shows good faith and provides us with a decent Thanksgiving repast with almost all the trimmings. This year I have the good fortune of being off. There is plenty of time for people to shop and take advantage of those supposed killer Black Friday deals. I've even felt making people come in like 0200 on Black Friday Morning is cruel and unusual punishment. This tradition of storming retail giants to save on an I Pod or whatever is crass and takes away from the meaning of Thanksgiving. Only folks that should be working on Turkey day are essential things like medical, police, fire. I know our industry flies albeit a modified schedule. At least in our industry it's generally reduced hours.
So, let this discussion begin. I vote for the employees. Target and Walmart for heaven sake take Thanksgiving off and remain closed. Your bottom line won't suffer.
For business that make their people work Thanksgiving Day how about at least show them some thanks for their hard work. Providing a nice meal for example like we do. I bet if your run of the mill government workers had to work on Turkey Day you'd have rioting in the streets.
I'm Zippyjet & I approve of this message!
 
User avatar
Jetsgo
Posts: 2697
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:31 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:29 am

Sure it's ridiculous and I choose to not support it by holding off my shopping, but the simple fact is that it's RETAIL. Retail sucks. They chose this job and at the end of the day they are quite replaceable. However, like you I hope they're somewhat successful.

[Edited 2012-11-14 19:30:50]
Marine Corps Aviation, The Last To Let You Down!
 
Maverick623
Posts: 4640
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:13 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:46 am

Are you seriously serious?

That's how business works. If hoards of people want to slam the stores at 2AM on a Friday morning, it would be a bad business decision to keep the store closed. If you don't like it, find another job or stand in the unemployment line.

Both companies have very specific policies that they tell you BEFORE you sign up, and it goes like this:

"You must be able to work a flexible schedule, including nights, weekends, and holidays."

Oh, and by the way:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
There's talk of employees staging a walkout at Target and Walmart and possibly some of the other big box retail giants.

I guarantee you any employee who does that will quickly find themselves without a job.
"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
 
Ken777
Posts: 9061
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:39 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:48 am

I would have no problems with Black Friday starting at a reasonable hour on Friday - like 9 AM. Reality is that they will have the same level of customer response as a Thursday opening would have.

I'll also note that brick & mortar retailers want to get sales in before Black Monday. They have disadvantages when it comes to competing with internet sites. No sales tax is right up there, along with property taxes at good retail sites.

As far as I go, there is a clear need to have a nap after a big T Day Meal with the trimmings & family & friends. If I can stay awake I might actually watch a football game. Then there are leftovers for dinner and a good night's sleep.

With a day like that why would I want to fight heavy traffic at the malls, or at the big box stores?
 
User avatar
DeltaMD90
Posts: 8245
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:25 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:51 am

I'm not trying to be anti-worker and I always try to have an open mind... but really, if you choose to work at Walmart or Target or something, accept the hours. Even my dad with a "respectable" airline job is working Thanksgiving Thursday. I think Black Friday is stupid but I don't work for a retail store and expect to get Thursday off. Life sucks sometimes, get over it
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
User avatar
zippyjet
Topic Author
Posts: 5089
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2001 3:32 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):

That's why God willing I will never have to work at either place. The nastiness in people rears it's ugly head when it comes to Christmas. The crass commercialism, It's an example of the dumed down "Sheeple." This is why God invented the Internet where great deals abound aplenty. I still think back to that Christmas season from hell several years ago where a Walmart employee was trampled to death all for some off brand Hi def TV made in China at a rock bottom price. I wonder how this poor soul's family is doing all for this retail stupidity and madness. Makes us look bad as a nation.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):

Been there done that I know it goes with the territory and at least I get the satisfaction that our industry makes it possible for one to be with their family at this special time of year. And as mentioned luckilly our company looks out for us.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):

True, it's part of the deal but it seems each year these cattle car retailers seem to take advantage of their worker bees. As a commentator said on the radio earlier today, had this come up during the halcyon economic go go days of the late 90's, these workers might have had a better chance of getting their point across. Now, these big box heartless retailers are in the driver's seat and can fire people and hire others probably for cheaper wages. Here's to hoping the Internet trumps all their bravado hoopla and BS with these sales and promotions.

If Rod Serling were alive today, he could write a Twilight Zone where all the government drone paper pushers were forced to work Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's day under penalty of termination. I bet, they'd be crying, and fighting in the streets.

Hey Walmart, Target and other big box prisons why don't you just stay open round the clock and get robots to do your dirty work during these crunch times. I bet the CEO's of both will be at their palatial estates ordering their servants to tote that barge and lift that bale to serve them and their families.
I'm Zippyjet & I approve of this message!
 
User avatar
DeltaMD90
Posts: 8245
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:25 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 5):
True, it's part of the deal but it seems each year these cattle car retailers seem to take advantage of their worker bees.

But in all honestly, the "travesty" here is working on a holiday... sucks but there was a "call to action" last year and now there seems to be murmurings of something this year... I'm sorry for ya, but having a certain holiday off is not a sacred right, and if your company wants to open ridiculously early for black Friday, well, I'm sorry... there's the front door
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
User avatar
zippyjet
Topic Author
Posts: 5089
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2001 3:32 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:07 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 6):



As I said I'm thankful that you and me do not work for such companies! Have a safe and most of all happy Turkey Day. Here's an idea: Let convicts work these stores on these ridiculous shopping days. They can have RFID Chips attached to ankle bracelets so if they try to get a 5 finger discount, they get zapped. Then the sheeple (a lot of paper pushers and government workers) can get their jollies and fight each other and crush each other for that el cheapo made in China must have electronic toy for their spoiled ungrateful undisciplined children! Then the regular workers get their holiday off. Ho Ho Ho! Meanwhile if I have to work Thanksgiving day I'll be thankful I'm far away from those big box cattle cars.
I'm Zippyjet & I approve of this message!
 
blueflyer
Posts: 3657
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:17 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:20 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
Both companies have very specific policies that they tell you BEFORE you sign up, and it goes like this: "You must be able to work a flexible schedule, including nights, weekends, and holidays."

This is not the Securities and Exchange Commission. Past history is an acceptable prediction of future behavior. I wouldn't blame the employees one bit for walking out over having to work Thanksgiving dinner because it isn't, and has never been, the company's normal conduct, just as I would condemn someone making the same complaint of any employer that does have a history of running 24/7/365.

I only hope that if the walkouts do go ahead, enough employees join so as to make reprisal impossible. They may be easy to replace individually, but try replacing and training half a store's workforce before the busiest time of the year. Big box stores need to thread carefully, especially when they apparently settled on a strategy of well-informed employees having direct contact with customers to compete against their online competitors. It doesn't jive very well either with green employees, or seasoned but angry employees...

That said, I do think any walkout is one year too late.
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has no clothes.
 
jetblueguy22
Posts: 2541
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:26 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:34 am

People on Black Friday are absolutely insane. My best friend works at a target in the electronics department and he got trampled last year. Someone would scream they want the tv that is 20 bucks off and someone wanted the video game that was 5 bucks cheaper. He said it is insanity. I don't blame people at all for wanting to walk out. It's amazing how poor a lot of these employees get treated by customers. Though my friend said in general working for Target is actually a great job for a college kid.
Blue
Look at sweatpants guy. This is a 90 million dollar aircraft, not a Tallahassee strip club
 
User avatar
zippyjet
Topic Author
Posts: 5089
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2001 3:32 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:45 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):

Those stores give a rat's ass on customer satisfaction at least on those insane retarded sales blitzkriegs. I believe they feel they are doing the public a favor by cutting prices on some China made goods and the public should lick their bootstraps. Meaning they could care less by firing scores of employees and bringing new people on. It's chaos already so what's a little more inconvenience. Remember Walmart and Target knocked $20.00 off that made in China off brand must have toy. As long as they can get away with it, barbaric hours, treating employees like sh*t they will do it. They have a built in base of suckers who will stomp, trample each other whatever the cost as long as they buy the marked down crap for Christmas. So what if an employee of a Walmart is made into fish chum from trampelling crazies. As long as the cash register rings cha ching, Walmart or whoever will just write off the death of that poor employee and hire someone else. Anybody know what became of the family that had their breadwinner trampled to death thanks to this Christmas retail bull $h*t?

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 9):

Give the employees of these cattle cars Tasers (with a weaker than standard charge) if it gets too crazy zap em. BTW tell your friend I give my blessing and approve of him or some other Target employee snuffing out that obnoxious "Target Lady" who is literally climaxing over the fact that the Target Black Friday Sale starts Thanksgiving Day at 0200!
I'm Zippyjet & I approve of this message!
 
User avatar
kngkyle
Crew
Posts: 397
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:33 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:48 am

I work for Target and will be there for the first shift. (9pm thanksgiving) The store that shoppers go to first is the one they tend to spend the most money at, so the stores are in a race to the bottom to open earliest. Target didn't decide on an opening time until the other retailers made theirs public, so they're more following than leading the trend. Target is also paying us more for working black friday. I'll be getting nearly double what I usually make for the first part of my shift.

I think the stores opening during dinner time is just ridiculous though. Thankfully Target isn't one of them, so I can still have a nice thanksgiving dinner with my family before going into work at 9pm.

To be honest though, I'm kind of excited for it. I've never been a black friday shopper, so it will be kind of new for me. And instead of spending money, I'll be making money.

Also Target let us pick what shift we wanted to work, open, midday, or close. I'm not sure if everyone got what they wanted or not, but I did.

[Edited 2012-11-14 21:51:27]
 
User avatar
zippyjet
Topic Author
Posts: 5089
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2001 3:32 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:55 am

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 11):

Best of luck to you! You have a great attitude. Make an employee petition to let y'all have Tasers for this tacky fest.
I'm Zippyjet & I approve of this message!
 
dlramp4life
Posts: 996
Joined: Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:23 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:26 am

I am a former Target team member and I must say everyone in the store I worked at enjoyed black friday because of the rush and how time flies. But that was when we would open our doors at 6am... I don't understand how Walmart does this year after year, opening earlier and earlier. Even though you pay your employees next to nothing let them have a thanksgiving, the cheap TV for 50 bucks will still be there at 6am or 5am on BLACK FRIDAY.

On my last black friday I was working at the customer service counter, it was part of my duty when the store opened to hand people shopping carts as they came in. I almost got knocked down by a fat lady in a gray sweat suit, I have never seen a fat lady move that fast.
SEA Ramp, wettest place on earth
 
fr8mech
Posts: 6672
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:00 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:13 am

When I happen to be off during the holidays on any given year, I will not shop on Thanksgiving, nor will I get up early Friday morning.

Retail is retail...just like the airline industry is the airline industry and emergency services are emergency services, etc., etc. The world is getting flatter and, quite simply holidays don't mean much anymore, at least when it comes to time off, for those in the service industries, retail included.

We, the collective, have decided that we will shop on holidays. Therefore, the retailers will open their doors to us. Christmas is next.

If you choose to, or have to, work in the retail industry, you need to roll with the punches or go elsewhere.
When seconds count...the police are minutes away.
 
User avatar
Pellegrine
Posts: 1828
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:19 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:21 am

Working in a retail job sucks, IMO. My first jobs were in retail and food. We had nasty drunks coming in late hours sometimes... And you're working for a shi**y wage. Please.

A lot of people work in retail because they have to. Not because they want to. I make the differentiation there. There's a lack of suitable jobs for people. Americans like to buy s*** they can barely afford....ergo lots of crappy retail jobs hawking s*** from China.

Let these people rest on a de-facto national day off. The government is closed...

I never go shopping on "black friday". I don't even want to...or care about the sales LOL. To me the retail industry is one of the most disrespectful industries towards their workers. I would walk out too.
oh boy, here we go!!!
 
fr8mech
Posts: 6672
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:00 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:35 am

Quoting pellegrine (Reply 15):
Let these people rest on a de-facto national day off. The government is closed...

The government is closed on at least 10 days every year.

Quoting pellegrine (Reply 15):
I would walk out too.

Then be prepared to lose that job.
When seconds count...the police are minutes away.
 
ltbewr
Posts: 12424
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:48 am

I live near Paramus, NJ, one of the biggest retail shopping locations in the USA. With so many stores (3 malls, numerous big box stores and strip malls), they kept the old 'Blue Laws' to assure a 'day of rest' for local citizens and do not allow stores to be open on Sundays, major holidays like Thanksgiving as well as not before 7 AM or after 11 PM. They do allow grocery stores, convenience stores and gas stations to be open without restrictions. Bergen County, which Paramus is located in also has similar rules county-wide. It is flashback to my youth in the 1960's to see all but the grocery section of my local Walmart closed off on Sundays. I wish that most places on a statewide basis would have similar rules except allowing Sunday opening with limited hours.

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 11):
The store that shoppers go to first is the one they tend to spend the most money at, so the stores are in a race to the bottom to open earliest.

This is exactly why we have seen the Black Friday 'creep' to max the opportunities for sales and limited profits for the retailers. One has to wonder how much the real payoff is considering the higher labor costs, including for security, liability for injuries and the disappointing of too many customers for not having nowhere near enough of the limited numbers of 'doorbuster' items.

Another part of the 'Black Friday' walkouts/protests is at several warehouse locations for Walmart in So Cal and near Chicago, IL operated by 3rd party companies. They pay their workers minimum wage, no benefits, no opportunities for full time work, with dangerous conditions and severe demands to work to the point of encouraging injuries. They hope to attract unions to give them a better work place.

I have gone out early on 'Black Friday' but not earlier than 7 AM to nearby stores, but now I wait to at least 9 AM and this year may not go out until the big rush is over later in the morning and will go with my 83 year old mom on Saturday to do major Christmas shopping and still do pretty good financially.
 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 5393
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:20 pm

In the current recession, there are many workers who will work for a price

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 11):
I work for Target and will be there for the first shift. (9pm thanksgiving)
Quoting kngkyle (Reply 11):
. I'll be getting nearly double what I usually make for the first part of my shift.

Economic incentives on the Employee, Employer, and Customer side is what drives this zealous sales event.
The employers know that customers will shop, and the employees want money. It is a win/win for all involved.

I will be on of those, not participating. However I understand the incentives for those involved.

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
There's talk of employees staging a walkout at Target and Walmart and possibly some of the other big box retail giants.

I am sure there is talk, but I doubt it is enough to make waves. It is much like the secession threads going on. People that walk out will be replaced.

[Edited 2012-11-15 05:23:30]
Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
 
varigb707
Posts: 1236
Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 6:02 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:32 pm

I have never gone shopping on Black Friday. Not worth my time. Stores should, however, do a Black Week instead of just one day. That would give more opportunities to everyone involved.
First, I said 'hey' and then I said 'now'. "Hey Now!" - Hank K.
 
Cadet985
Posts: 1958
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2002 6:45 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
This tradition of storming retail giants to save on an I Pod or whatever is crass and takes away from the meaning of Thanksgiving.

The sad thing is that the big deals, aren't even generally on newer high quality electronics. Look at a Best Buy ad for Black Friday. The laptops they use as door busters are usually last year's models, bad specs, yet you'll have a line 1000 people long trying to get one of maybe 6 that the store has in stock. I've been there, done the early morning shopping thing, and it's not for me anymore and I'm only 27. Besides...who are people kidding? You aren't giving that 60-inch plasma screen TV to anyone as a gift, except yourself.

If I were to go anywhere on Black Friday, I'd wait until the afternoon/evening. A few years ago, a group of us went holiday shopping Black Friday evening, and we had no trouble finding parking, and the mall wasn't that much more crowded than normal.

I 100% support the workers in this case. Thanksgiving should be a time to be with family/friends/whomever, and not have to worry about getting to bed at 2 so you can be up at 6 to go into work at 8.

Sorry Walmart, Target, etc. You won't find me in stores on Black Friday. I'd rather watch TV and wait for Cyber Monday...if I'm buying gifts - which this year I'm not since everyone on my list is getting something from my upcoming trip to Israel.

Marc
 
User avatar
KaiGywer
Crew
Posts: 11182
Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:59 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:14 pm

Last year I didn't leave home on Black Friday. Did a lot of shopping online though. Amazon has good deals all day, and with Prime, I get free shipping. My kind of shopping   This year, the wife and her mom are going shopping. Her dad and I don't have any plans yet, but will probably involve beer  
“Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, an
 
User avatar
falstaff
Posts: 5577
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:17 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
Even my dad with a "respectable" airline job is working Thanksgiving Thursday

I'll be an airline passenger on Thanksgiving day, like always.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 14):
nor will I get up early Friday morning.

I'm usually hung over and can't get up early

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 16):
Then be prepared to lose that job.

and have another guy take the job in no time. If you don't like working on Thanksgiving I am sure the store can easily find another person who does and will happily take the job.

Everyone is all worked up about the "poor retail employees" having to work on a Holiday. I don't hear people complaining about the Police, fireman, airline employees, railroad workers, restaurant staff, TV and radio workers and countless of other jobs that work every holiday. Some jobs require work during nights, weekends, and Holidays. If you don't like the job get a different job; I did.
My mug slaketh over on Falstaff N503
 
Silver1SWA
Crew
Posts: 4458
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:11 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 22):
Everyone is all worked up about the "poor retail employees" having to work on a Holiday. I don't hear people complaining about the Police, fireman, airline employees, railroad workers, restaurant staff, TV and radio workers and countless of other jobs that work every holiday. Some jobs require work during nights, weekends, and Holidays. If you don't like the job get a different job; I did.

I think there is one detail mentioned in this thread that is getting overlooked. I'll quote it below.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):
Past history is an acceptable prediction of future behavior. I wouldn't blame the employees one bit for walking out over having to work Thanksgiving dinner because it isn't, and has never been, the company's normal conduct, just as I would condemn someone making the same complaint of any employer that does have a history of running 24/7/365.

I agree with this. These ridiculous Thanksgiving/Black Friday hours are a new thing and they are getting worse every year. Sure, the new seasonal workers know what they are getting into, but not everyone working retail signed up for this. Working black friday, yes. That's something that has been long established that you can count on. But having to start a shift during or right after Thanksgiving dinner? That's ridiculous and I feel bad for the people who after years working at one of these stores, now have to worry about their Thanksgiving plans.

And for the record, I work for an airline so I know all about working holidays.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
j.mo
Posts: 652
Joined: Fri Feb 15, 2002 12:29 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
I bet if your run of the mill government workers had to work on Turkey Day you'd have rioting in the streets.

I usually agree with your rants Zippy, just not sure who you are referring to here. Police, fire, military and ATC are all Govt jobs. I have worked many Thanksgivings as a controller and in the Navy. No whining here.

That being said, I support the employees on this one. It's BS to open on Thanksgiving Day to pad the bottom line. Where does it stop? Next year they will open at 6pm on Thanksgiving? I'll support them by NOT shopping there.

JM
 
vikkyvik
Posts: 11855
Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:58 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 23):
Sure, the new seasonal workers know what they are getting into, but not everyone working retail signed up for this.

Times change. Business changes. If you can't or don't want to change with your employer, it's probably time to find a new employer.

I've had jobs where I didn't work Veterans Day, Columbus Day, Patriots Day (for us New Englanders), MLK Day, etc. Now I work all those. It's just how it goes.

My company now also has the week between Christmas and New years off. But if they decided we had to work that week next year, I wouldn't try and stage a walkout, just based on past history.
I'm watching Jeopardy. The category is worst Madonna songs. "This one from 1987 is terrible".
 
Silver1SWA
Crew
Posts: 4458
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:11 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):
Times change. Business changes. If you can't or don't want to change with your employer, it's probably time to find a new employer.

I get that. But all this "they should have known what they signed up for" crap isn't entirely fair, in my opinion. From here on, perhaps. But not everyone working in retail signed up for this.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
vikkyvik
Posts: 11855
Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:58 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 26):
I get that. But all this "they should have known what they signed up for" crap isn't entirely fair, in my opinion. From here on, perhaps. But not everyone working in retail signed up for this.

I'm sure they didn't. But if they read their contract, they probably did sign up to possibly work holidays and weekends as necessary.

I don't personally go shopping or anything on or near Black Friday. But the demand is clearly there. Blame consumers.
I'm watching Jeopardy. The category is worst Madonna songs. "This one from 1987 is terrible".
 
User avatar
DeltaMD90
Posts: 8245
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:25 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 26):
signed up for this.

Signed up? It's a job, life sucks sometimes. Times are changing so if working Thanksgiving is so unacceptable, there's the front door. Thanksgiving day is not some God given right.

First world problems

(that all being said, you'll never find me out on Black Friday. I think it's ridiculous honestly)
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 11):
Target is also paying us more for working black friday. I'll be getting nearly double what I usually make for the first part of my shift.

Hogwash. I worked two Black Fridays at Target (before bolting to F9) and never received such pay. My pay during Black Friday was my standard hourly rate.

There is no Black Friday pay at Target.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
User avatar
kngkyle
Crew
Posts: 397
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:33 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 29):
Hogwash. I worked two Black Fridays at Target (before bolting to F9) and never received such pay. My pay during Black Friday was my standard hourly rate.

There is no Black Friday pay at Target.

Perhaps there was no Black Friday pay. But unless my boss just lied to everyone during huddle the other day, then yes we will be getting a bonus for Black Friday, and a much larger one for the hours that fall on Thanksgiving day.

Believe what you want.
 
User avatar
par13del
Posts: 6689
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:14 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
So, let this discussion begin. I vote for the employees. Target and Walmart for heaven sake take Thanksgiving off and remain closed. Your bottom line won't suffer.

Well, rather than worrying about Tea Party, Fiscal Cliffs, poor infrasturcture, lack of Medicare / Medicade, jobs, government debt, rich not paying taxes, middle class bleeding, poor getting poorer the populous should have issues like this on the ballots when they go to the polls. These are the every day items that are shoved aside and not debated which have the greatest impact on the individual lives. What percentage of a business sales for the year takes place during the Thanksgiving and xmas week, I believe is it huge.

This is something to be taken to the politicians who have the authority to pass the laws to ensure that there is a level playing field. I am certain that there are a number of retailers who are hoping that these employees do walk off the job and make Target and Wal-Mart sales tank because theirs will be improved.
 
Silver1SWA
Crew
Posts: 4458
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:11 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 28):
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 26):
signed up for this.

Signed up? It's a job, life sucks sometimes. Times are changing so if working Thanksgiving is so unacceptable, there's the front door. Thanksgiving day is not some God given right.

First world problems

(that all being said, you'll never find me out on Black Friday. I think it's ridiculous honestly)


Come on man, please read my posts. I'm specifically targeting the argument that retail workers should have known when they applied for the jobs. Yes, that's true to an extent especially for Black Friday, but with regard to starting at dinner time on Thanksgiving, that is very new to these retail stores and not something that was once expected or accepted.

Look, like I said. I work at a job where working holidays is normal. I have put my time in. I'm fortunate enough now that I don't have to work Thanksgiving and Christmas unless I choose to (which I have for Thanksgiving morning this year).
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 30):

I still have friends that still wok at Target. Just text messages two of them (one is a supervisor for overnight flow) and the responses I got was more along the lines of "What's that? We never got that."

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 30):
Believe what you want.

   I'm believing the people that I worked with that are still there. I think you're just a bit too hopeful that you will receive such pay that doesn't exist. But that's for another thread.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
User avatar
kngkyle
Crew
Posts: 397
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:33 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 33):
I think you're just a bit too hopeful that you will receive such pay that doesn't exist. But that's for another thread.

I think I'm just repeating what the Logistics ETL at my store told everyone. Maybe she is wrong. I don't know why you would think I have some agenda to lie about it. As if me posting false information here would somehow make it a reality.

               
 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 5393
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 34):
I think I'm just repeating what the Logistics ETL at my store told everyone. Maybe she is wrong. I don't know why you would think I have some agenda to lie about it. As if me posting false information here would somehow make it a reality.
http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/io...=11034096#page:showThread,11034096

According to this article target is offering holiday pay. So maybe some folks will get a bit extra. However I doubt those working after 7 or 8 am on Friday will get it.
Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
 
D L X
Posts: 11663
Joined: Thu May 27, 1999 3:30 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
If hoards of people want to slam the stores at 2AM on a Friday morning

That's the thing. Hoards of people do not want to slam the doors at 2am om Friday morning. Rather, hoards of people want to be first in line for a gigantic sale so they don't get there and find that the things they wanted are all gone.

If no one opened their stores until 2pm on Friday, those Hoards would be just as happy (actually happier) than if the stores opened 2pm on Thursday.
 
BMI727
Posts: 11123
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:29 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 36):
If no one opened their stores until 2pm on Friday, those Hoards would be just as happy (actually happier) than if the stores opened 2pm on Thursday.

Of course if there's a store that opens earlier, they'd go there instead. It's a valid point: 2 AM sucks for shopping, but there's a point of diminishing returns to opening at a later but more convenient time.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 32):
Yes, that's true to an extent especially for Black Friday, but with regard to starting at dinner time on Thanksgiving, that is very new to these retail stores and not something that was once expected or accepted.

Things change. And those people working at such stores are quite replaceable, even if not on an immediate basis.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:50 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 35):

If that's true, then it must be a brand new thing that Target is doing this year. But still, my friends that are still working there have no clue about any holiday pay.

I'll forward this article you found to them. Thanks, Casinterest.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
Maverick623
Posts: 4640
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:13 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 5):
True, it's part of the deal but it seems each year these cattle car retailers seem to take advantage of their worker bees.

My sister's boyfriend works at WalMart, and a high school classmate just quit his job at Target.

I can assure you they take advantage of them almost every single day (especially at WalMart).

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):
This is not the Securities and Exchange Commission. Past history is an acceptable prediction of future behavior. I wouldn't blame the employees one bit for walking out over having to work Thanksgiving dinner because it isn't, and has never been, the company's normal conduct, just as I would condemn someone making the same complaint of any employer that does have a history of running 24/7/365.

That's a nice piece of interesting.... crap. Since when do people have the right to walk off the job on a holiday because of "past history"? And since when does "past history" overrule a "contract" (since the vast majority of those stores are in right-to-work areas)?

Sounds like a load of bullcrap from the entitlement crowd. I suppose you think they should get paid for walking out as well?

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):

I only hope that if the walkouts do go ahead, enough employees join so as to make reprisal impossible.

  

Name one company, whose employees staged a mass walkout on a holiday.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 33):
I still have friends that still wok at Target. Just text messages two of them (one is a supervisor for overnight flow) and the responses I got was more along the lines of "What's that? We never got that."

Seriously, what are you trying to prove?

[Edited 2012-11-15 13:57:28]
"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
 
lewis
Posts: 3578
Joined: Thu Jul 08, 1999 5:41 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:08 pm

Well, yeah it sucks being away from family but it is not the end of the world! They work in retail and the trend for the past couple of years has been for such retail stores to open earlier each year, since Black Friday is such a big thing.

For my current job, I have no specific clause that says that I may have to work weekends or holidays but it does say that my working hours are dependent on the time required to complete my tasks and meet my deadlines. I have worked many holidays in the US, I have worked 4th of July and some of my colleagues working on a specific project will be working on Thanksgiving, out of town! They are not the only people that will be working Thanksgiving day and they are quite replaceable!
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:08 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 39):
Seriously, what are you trying to prove?

That never received such pay when I worked there. But see reply 37 & 38.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
Maverick623
Posts: 4640
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:13 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:27 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):

That never received such pay when I worked there. But see reply 37 & 38.

Sounded like you were trying to call someone a liar... but glad to see you come to your senses.

Quoting lewis (Reply 40):
They are not the only people that will be working Thanksgiving day and they are quite replaceable!

  

Just because a store won't be able to replace someone the next day, doesn't mean they're immune from being replaced. Pull out all the applications, call them in, train them, and then once you have the staffing fire everyone who walked out.

BTW, in some states, walking off the job like that constitutes "job abandonment", even if you try to come back the next day... which makes those people ineligible for unemployment benefits.

Still think it's worth it to get a night off?
"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:40 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
glad to see you come to your senses.

   Huh?
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
fridgmus
Posts: 1296
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:28 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:29 pm

I use Target's pharmacy, but other than that, I don't go there and NEVER to WalMart.

I do ALL of my Christmas shopping online, throughout the year, what little of it there is! And almost all of my regular shopping is done online as well. I just hate crowds and I never travel on holidays. Of course it helps if you're single with no family!!!

As for the employees of Target and WalMart, well, I support you, but you did know what you were getting yourselves into when you signed on with these companies. Like my Mom used to say, "Retail sucks!"

f
The Lockheed Super Constellation, the REAL Queen of the Skies!
 
Geezer
Posts: 1413
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:37 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:19 am

Quoting par13del (Reply 31):
This is something to be taken to the politicians who have the authority to pass the laws to ensure that there is a level playing field. I am certain that there are a number of retailers who are hoping that these employees do walk off the job and make Target and Wal-Mart sales tank because theirs will be improved.

How's this ? "politicians who have the authority to pass the laws to ensure that there is a level playing field."

Wow! that kinda sounds like communism to me ! Are you seriously suggesting that politicians should "make laws" which prohibit retailers from opening for business whenever they think the demand is there for what they sell ?

So many people "feel sorry" for those who work in retail, and are required to work on holidays, night shifts, etc.?
There's an old axiom which states.........."people who work at un-skilled jobs tend to get paid in direct proportion to the difficulty of replacing them"

So.....how hard will it be for, say, Wal Mart to "replace" those dozen workers who chose to "stage a walkout"? My guess would be, a single "NOW HIRING" sign on the front of the building, and in about one day, they would have sufficient applications to last them for the next six months or so.

Understand, I'm NOT belittling the people who work at Wal Mart, (or any other retailer, fast food place, restaurant, or whatever) what I AM pointing out is.......while you are still young, (the younger the better), take a hard, cold look at how people in different "occupations" live, the advantages and disadvantages associated with different occupations, than make a PLAN ! PLAN how you can PREPARE yourself to have a "skill" which will not be SO EASY to replace, (rather than following the "herd" in front of you, and ending up in a slaughterhouse).


There are relatively few "dream" jobs "around"; ( yes, I'm well aware of how much money NBA players, NFL players, MLB players, and so-called "movie stars" make); I'm also equally aware of how difficult it is to get each and everyone of those "jobs" ! ( and what a MESS many of them make out of their lives ! )

I could sit here and list a hundred people who are now independently wealthy, simply because they "prepared" themselves when they were a bit younger, rather than "following the herd"........( having to work in a "big box store", obliged to work on Thanksgiving, etc. etc. etc.)

Hers's just one example of what I'm talking about; this young boy was born in Chile (around 50 yrs ago) his father was a violist with a symphony orchestra; while he was still quite young, his father started teaching him the viola; later, his father became a "world-class" violist, ended up playing with some of the world's greatest musicians; all of this time, young Roberto kept studying, kept learning; during this time, there was a great English violist, named William Primrose. William Primrose is to this day, regarded by many as being the greatest violist of the 20th century; and young Roberto's father had studied under the great William Primrose, then "passed on" his knowledge to his son, Roberto.

Now.....anyone who is "into" classical music is aware that all string players, ( violinists, violists, cellists, and bassists ALL seek to obtain better and better instruments; during William Primroses's long career, his principal performing instrument was a viola made in the late 1700's by Andrea Amati, ( the first but not the most famous of the great Amati violin makers)

Anyway, after William Primrose "passed on", he left this rare old instrument to a friend, and over a course of years, it was eventually purchased by the Philadelphia Orchestra, (one of the world's great orchestras) Finally, after some number of years, Roberto graduated from Julliard, and joined the Philadelphia Orchestra, and after just a few years, rose to become the Principal Violist with that great orchestra; during his time with the P.O., Roberto negotiated to "lease" the Amati viola of the late William Primrose. After a few more years, Roberto was honored to be chosen as the new Director of the prestigious Curtiss School of Music in Philadelphia. I have no idea what such a position pays it's director, but it must be "quite substantial", because Roberto was able to finally purchase the Amati from the Philadelphia Orchestra.

Now.........I have been greatly interested in violins and violinists all of my life; (or at least since I was in the 1st grade) I already knew quite a bit about the great violin makers of Cremona; but something happened that caused me to do a LOT more "studying";

My "soon to be" step-son met a young lady in a park, and after a year, they were married; my "soon-to-be" step daughter-in-law is a very highly paid teacher and governess; at one one point, she took one of her "charges" for a tennis lesson at a posh indoor tennis club; while there, she happened to meet a very nice man, they became acquainted, and he ended up hiring her to teach HIS children; we were hearing in her emails, "my new "employer" is a musician'; (and that she was now taking HIS child for tennis lessons in his new Bently ! Then, one day he gave her a CD that he and another musician had made; as she is quite uninterested in classical music, she sent ME the CD. While reading about it, I noticed the name "William Primrose", who I was very familiar with, as he used to perform in a trio with my "hero", Isaac Stern. Shortly after, I found that my soon-to-be step son's wife was now working for the great Roberto Diaz, (one of the world's most acclaimed violists), and he was playing the Amati viola on the CD she had sent me; I quickly rushed it back to her, had her get Roberto to autograph it for me, and it is now one of my most "prized possessions" ! Incidentally, while I was in Chicago, I stopped in a famous violin shop, was chatting with the owner, and mentioned Roberto's Amati, and inquired as to it's "worth"; his answer was........most likely in the vicinity of "four" (like in million)


So..........that's just one great example of just what "preparing one's self" can do for your future life style.

But I'm sure, for every great musician capable of owning a rare old multi-million dollar instrument, there are BOUND to be thousands of "average people", FORCED to work at Wal Mart, and FORCED to work on Thanksgiving !

Charley
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
 
User avatar
mad99
Posts: 897
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:33 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:04 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 17):
do not allow stores to be open on Sundays, major holidays like Thanksgiving as well as not before 7 AM or after 11 PM

Here in Madrid shops are now opening Sundays..
It started with one Sunday a month and now its every Sunday, not good if you ask me.

Why would anyone queue to get into a shop on a holiday at 7 am? Insane
 
Geezer
Posts: 1413
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:37 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:06 am

Quoting mad99 (Reply 46):
Why would anyone queue to get into a shop on a holiday at 7 am? Insane

It's called, FREEDOM; ( to do WHAT you want to do, WHEN you want to do it ! )

(and it's kinda like "different strokes for different folks")

Why must ANYONE measure the world, using themselves as the yardstick ?

Charley


P.S. For anyone not familiar with "yardsticks"........they're kinda like "metersticks" only slightly shorter........
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
 
User avatar
mad99
Posts: 897
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:33 am

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:45 am

Quoting Geezer (Reply 47):
It's called, FREEDOM

Ya we've got that here as well but on the 7th, first day of discounts.

People queue to get super discounts on needless junk!
 
User avatar
par13del
Posts: 6689
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:14 pm

RE: Wal Mart/Target Employee Walkout

Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:36 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 45):
How's this ? "politicians who have the authority to pass the laws to ensure that there is a level playing field."

By passing laws to ensure that all retailers open at the same time, come on, read the entire post.
These employees are pushing for a Holiday feature by penalizing their employer, if Wal-Mart and Target are forced to not open how does that affect Sears, Macy's, JC Penny, Radio Shack, etc etc etc. it creates an uneven playing field.
If the employees want the public holiday shopping hours restricted it needs to be addressed by the politicians who are the only ones who controls the hours.
The employers have voluntarilly made the decision to extend their hours, it is in the employee contract of employment, if you choose not to work those hours you can chooes to work elsewhere and some employers actually have an opt out others a annual rotation where you do not have to work two years in a row.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Redd, seahawk, speedbored, speedygonzales, TheSonntag and 14 guests