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Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:36 pm

"As many as 250,000 illegal immigrants would be able to get a special driver's license in Illinois under legislation that advanced in the Senate today."

"Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, maintained the bill is needed to make Illinois roads safer because drivers licensed under the program would be insured and tested for vision and driving ability."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...-advances-20121129,0,7441518.story

I dont know how they would pay for the insurance? Its also quite sad to see how many Illegal immigrants are here in my State of Illinois.

Also on a side note, Illinois license plate fees go up an additional 2 dollars from $99 to 101/ 1 dollar to help construction, 1 dollar to help the state parks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ssion-1129-20121129,0,325075.story

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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:49 pm

It somewhat sounds like France where any illegal alien is allowed to work. All illegal aliens who can prove they have worked 8 months in France will get resident cards with all incurring benefits -including unemployment money, medical, housing, bringing relatives, etc....

 
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:46 pm

I'm probably not as harsh to illegal aliens as many, but they really need to NOT pass laws like this and work on making people legal. Being illegal here just flies in the face of the law IMO and making accommodation like this just supports lawlessness. They need to make these people legal--maybe not citizens, but something--rather than just accepting the fact that they are breaking the law and make accommodations for them
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:05 am

Doesn't Texas issue Drivers Licenses to them already?
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:46 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 3):
Doesn't Texas issue Drivers Licenses to them already?

From a brief search Virginia, Tennessee, Utah and Texas have laws that allow illegal immigrants to get a driver's license.

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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:08 am

Two things:

1. How many illegals are really going to go for this?
2. IF illegals do get a liscence, that information can be passed on to ICE to say "Hey... here are the illegals!!" Isn't that what the right-wing wants? And this is a DEMOCRAT proposing this??? Why does the right wing hate Democrats so much? They seem to be on the same side.
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:03 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 5):
2. IF illegals do get a liscence, that information can be passed on to ICE to say "Hey... here are the illegals!!" Isn't that what the right-wing wants? And this is a DEMOCRAT proposing this??? Why does the right wing hate Democrats so much? They seem to be on the same side.

That's why they have "Sanctuary" cities in Texas. The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 addressed the relationship between the federal government and local governments. Minor crimes, such as shoplifting, became grounds for possible deportation. Additionally, the legislation outlawed cities' bans against municipal workers' reporting persons' immigration status to federal authorities
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:37 am

Quoting LFutia (Thread starter):

I dont know how they would pay for the insurance? Its also quite sad to see how many Illegal immigrants are here in my State of Illinois.

You'd be surprised how many illegals could afford that.
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:35 pm

What a ridiculous principle. If you know where an illegal immigrant is, such that you are going through an application process with him for a driving licence, then arrest him and deal with him.
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:48 pm

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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting LFutia (Thread starter):
I dont know how they would pay for the insurance?

You would be amazed how many people don't have auto insurance to begin with.

Just because somebody has a license doesn't mean they will have insurance. You can have a license and not own a car, therefore you don't need insurance.

There are probably thousands of people in Illinois with no insurance who drive everyday. They either have paid for insurance long enough to get their car registered or don't have a valid plate on it to begin with. Here in Wayne county, Michigan it is said one in five drivers doesn't have insurance. If you start looking closely you would see a large number of plates that are expired. I have seen it in a lot of places too. My parents live in a condo complex in the western suburbs of St. Louis and every car in their complex with out of state tags are expired and the people drive them daily. These people aren't poor either they just don't bother. I guess they figure the cops won't notice. I even said something to my parents neighbor who has a Mercedes with three year old California plates. I said "watch out for the cops with those expired plates" She said that she was avoiding Missouri personal property tax and was going to keep her expired plates until she got a ticket. I assume my parents other neighbors with expired Florida plates on their cars are doing the same thing.

Illinois has always been a bit loose on drivers licenses, registrations, and insurance. I once had an Illinois license and didn't really live in Illinois. I was able to get instate tuition that way.

I spent a number of years living in St. Louis, Missouri and it was well known that if you saw a car with Illinois temp tags you knew that the driver likely had no insurance. At one time, maybe still, you didn't even need to live in Illinois to get an Illinois temp tag and they were good for months and you didn't need proof of insurance.

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
From a brief search Virginia, Tennessee, Utah and Texas have laws that allow illegal immigrants to get a driver's license.

Michigan has several thousand non citizens on its voting roles. At one time they were asking everyone to register to vote when they got their license (I did that when I moved to Michigan). Since Michigan wasn't checking citizenship non citizens were registered.

Quoting LFutia (Thread starter):
"Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, maintained the bill is needed to make Illinois roads safer because drivers licensed under the program would be insured and tested for vision and driving ability."

I wonder how much money Illinois will get from the people getting a drivers license? A few years ago Michigan switched license plates and they estimated they got an extra $5,000,000 in plate fees from people who usually didn't bother to renew their plates. Because all the old plates would go away after a year it was obvious if you were driving on expired plates. Illinois is broke and I am sure they would rake in some bucks from Illegals who got a drivers license.
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 10):
There are probably thousands of people in Illinois with no insurance who drive everyday.

It amazes me how some people think that just because the government passes a law that people with just magically fall in line and comply. If someone is in a country illegally, they obviously have no respect for the law in the first place.
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:20 pm

And so IL continues to circle the drain...

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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:37 pm

About two years ago Texas implemented a system where police and state troopers can verify if an individual has auto insurance instantly from their squad cars computer. The database it is linked to is updated monthly. Now they can catch the people who only pay for a month or two on their insurance and then stop paying.

The coverage cards show you have a policy for a year even if you pay month to month. So people were just paying enough to get a card then not paying the rest resulting in an expired insurance policy but they have a card showing they are covered. Now the police don't even ask you for your coverage card anymore. They just check on the computer.

In Texas you need to show your proof of insurance card when buying a car, renewing your license plates (even though the renewal office has the same computer the police do), and annual safety inspections.

And even with this system in place there are still a lot of people out there without insurance in Texas. And a lot of the fatal DUI type of accidents involve illegal aliens from Mexico.

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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:39 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
It amazes me how some people think that just because the government passes a law that people with just magically fall in line and comply.

A lot of people just comply with whatever the government tells them and they think everyone does the same. In some areas, like the city of Detroit, a lot of the motor vehicle laws are willfully disregarded by police because they have a lot bigger fish to fry with the man power they have.

Remember when we got pulled over back in '09? I assumed I was going to jail because I disregarded several laws, including one that was a felony. The cops just told us to go home; I guess they had bigger trouble to deal with that night. I honestly think they let me go because I was driving a junk truck and they probably figured I had no money and since the I had insurance and valid plates they figured I was too honest to be up to no good.

I got pulled over last spring and the cop never even asked to see my insurance. He asked me if even had a drivers license. When I produced a valid license he seemed impressed. He was even more impressed that I had a valid plate that was registered to the truck. The cop even told me what to say to get the charge reduced when I went to court. A lot of places no police officer would do that and they would check all the documents too. I asked a friend of mine who is a policeman in the same city about his brother officer asking "do you happened to have your license?". My friend told me that usually anyone driving a $500 vehicle in these parts doesn't have a license, insurance, valid plates, or a combination of the three.
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:45 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 13):
The database it is linked to is updated monthly. Now they can catch the people who only pay for a month or two on their insurance and then stop paying.

We need that in Michigan. If we did I am sure the civil rights advocates would claim it was bigoted towards poor people (which to them always means minorities, not the poor whites in my neighborhood). Even though Michigan requires insurance I am sure people would be complain.
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 6):
"Sanctuary" cities

I hate this concept. I think it should be illegal or at the very least federal or state funding should be cut to cities that do this kind of stuff.

Quoting slider (Reply 12):
We just don't learn. And leftist Democrats hit the gas....

Just like those in Virginia, Tennessee, Utah and Texas?

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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 16):
Quoting slider (Reply 12):We just don't learn. And leftist Democrats hit the gas....
Just like those in Virginia, Tennessee, Utah and Texas?

A lot of business minded Republicans like to keep the illegals here too, they keep wages low. Some Republicans talk a good game about border security, but don't really seem to mean it. The illegal problem isn't ever going to be fixed. Democrats will cater to them because they think they think that if they eventually get legal they'll vote for them and Republicans that are backed by big business will continue to let them walk across the border to keep wages down.
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 14):
Remember when we got pulled over back in '09?

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Quoting falstaff (Reply 14):
I assumed I was going to jail because I disregarded several laws, including one that was a felony.

I was concerned about that.
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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:34 am

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 7):
You'd be surprised how many illegals could afford that.

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RE: Illinois Soon To Allow D.L. To Illegal Immigrants

Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:44 am

Quoting slider (Reply 12):
We just don't learn. And leftist Democrats hit the gas....

Who is included in "we"? Obviously not "leftist Democrats"....
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