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Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:27 am

Couldn't see this posted, apologies if I missed it.

The Duchess of Cambridge is expecting a child - so congrats to the happy couple. It is significant because this child will succeed to the throne after William, regardless of sex - as detailed in the article here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20600543

Personally, I think it's about time we had a funkily-named monarch, so here's hoping for something slightly more unusual in the naming department (wishful thinking, I know).

Anyway, Kate has been hospitalised the last couple of days owing to severe pregnancy-related sickness. Here's hoping she'll be fine.
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:32 am

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Anyway, Kate has been hospitalised the last couple of days owing to severe pregnancy-related sickness. Here's hoping she'll be fine.

Yes, Congrats to them both.         

They say her severe morning sickness is due to the fact that she may be pregnant with twins, Oh the nappies !!!
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:39 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 1):
They say her severe morning sickness is due to the fact that she may be pregnant with twins

If this were to actually happen, then I presume that the first one out gets the throne?
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting hOMSaR (Reply 2):
If this were to actually happen, then I presume that the first one out gets the throne?

Correct !
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Personally, I think it's about time we had a funkily-named monarch, so here's hoping for something slightly more unusual in the naming department (wishful thinking, I know).

The bookies are already all over it: http://www.entertainmentwise.com/new...al-Baby-Names-Sex-and-Hair-Colour-

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Anyway, Kate has been hospitalised the last couple of days owing to severe pregnancy-related sickness. Here's hoping she'll be fine.

I heard on the news this evening that her hospitalization was the only reason they disclosed that she was pregnant. Her original plan was to tell the family at Christmas. The same news report said that the Queen was only told the good news about half an hour before the media knew!

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 3):
Quoting hOMSaR (Reply 2):
If this were to actually happen, then I presume that the first one out gets the throne?

Correct !

That would certainly make for a very bitter second-born!
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:01 am

Ohh boy, more hype   sure this baby's going to be the next monarch, but seriously, watch the US do something, such as, knock off Kim Jong-Un right after this baby's birth   
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:04 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 4):

The bookies are already all over it
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Ohh boy, more hype

Indeed.....I am preparing myself for months on end of reading about little but 'royal baby this' and 'royal baby that' in the news here.....
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:18 am

This potential person of the throne may not make there until they are in their 70's or about 2080 or so, considering the longevity of his ancestors.
Please, give mom and dad their privacy and the media go away.
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:22 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 4):
That would certainly make for a very bitter second-born!

Or a very bitter first born. The second born will get everything the first born gets except the same relentless degree of scrutiny and pressure for their entire lives that the crown brings.

Sure there would be expectations placed on both, but you just have to look at Diana vs Sarah Fergusen to see how differently the future successor and his/her siblings are seen/treated ( and yes I know that the situations were very different).
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:22 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 7):
Please, give mom and dad their privacy and the media go away.

Privacy? Well, in relative terms at least, here's hoping. As for the press going away? Never, just not going to happen - more's the pity.
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:42 am

Yes, congrats to the Royal couple.

I hope the child inherits HER looks and HER intelligence. I can't think of too much genetic contribution from William would benefit this child. I'm a Monarchist but not overly impressed with William.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 1):
They say her severe morning sickness is due to the fact that she may be pregnant with twins

I hear another cause was her low body weight which can contribute to severe morning sickness. There is a medical term for this which escapes me.
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
It is significant because this child will succeed to the throne after William, regardless of sex

I don't see how that's significant, there is a queen right now isn't it ?

As for succeeding, well, we have many decades to live before that may happen !
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 11):
As for succeeding, well, we have many decades to live before that may happen !

So many, that I will surely won´t be around to see it. Kinda funny feeling.
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:24 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
sure this baby's going to be the next monarch

Third-in-line, actually. Charles is poised to be the next monarch.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
but seriously, watch the US do something, such as, knock off Kim Jong-Un right after this baby's birth   

I fail to see how those two potential events are even remotely related or why they would ever be.
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:56 am

Quoting cws818 (Reply 13):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
but seriously, watch the US do something, such as, knock off Kim Jong-Un right after this baby's birth

I fail to see how those two potential events are even remotely related or why they would ever be.

After the royal wedding, we took out Bin Laden.

     
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:27 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 11):
I don't see how that's significant, there is a queen right now isn't it ?

If the Queen had a younger brother then he would have been King. She is only Queen because there were no male offspring.

The new laws that are going through now mean that the eldest child will be the successor regardless of their gender.
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:33 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 11):
I don't see how that's significant, there is a queen right now isn't it ?

It is significant because up until recently, a daughter would only be heir to the throne if she had no male siblings. If her parents later had a male child, she would rank below her younger brother.

If this baby is born a girl then it will be 3rd in line to the throne regardless of any other siblings, whereas before she would only be third in line as long as William didn't give birth to a subsequent male child.
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:18 pm

And the giveafuck-o-meter is registering a big fat zero. This may change slightly if we get a public holiday to celebrate the birth (very unlikely).
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 11):
I don't see how that's significant, there is a queen right now isn't it ?

As others have pointed out - only because she had no male sibling.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
And the giveafuck-o-meter is registering a big fat zero. This may change slightly if we get a public holiday to celebrate the birth (very unlikely).

I sympathise with this view. Nonetheless, a significant bit of news that I felt was worthy of a bit of discussion, not least to find out how many other people were pretty underwhelmed by it.
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
After the royal wedding, we took out Bin Laden.

We? I had no idea you were part of that mission, I suppose you hd to keep it very secret.

Congratulations toboth of them. I think they will make great parents.

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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:47 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 20):
DDDOOOOOOOONNN'TTTTT CAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRREE.

So just ignore it then? Unless that is you wouldn't mind us going into the droves of pointless American-related threads on here and voicing our lack of interest in those topics.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
Or a very bitter first born. The second born will get everything the first born gets except the same relentless degree of scrutiny and pressure for their entire lives that the crown brings.

That's a good point. But title seems to be fairly important to this group, so I would assume that it will always be with the second-born that they were minutes from being one step ahead in line.

But we don't even know if it's twins yet, so we're arguing a hypothetical here.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 10):
I hope the child inherits HER looks and HER intelligence. I can't think of too much genetic contribution from William would benefit this child. I'm a Monarchist but not overly impressed with William.

Genetic contribution from William: Better judgement than Harry.  
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 19):
We? I had no idea you were part of that mission, I suppose you hd to keep it very secret.

"We" as a collective term for the US.
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:41 pm

Congrats!         

I believe ti's great news. I can see all the little old ladies already starting to knit booties for the baby.

Overall I can see this boosting the people's confidence in the UK. Good news does seem to improve a lot of things.

In terms of benefitting the UK, there is going to be a LOT of souvenirs & commemorative plates on the market, bringing in a lot of money.

And tourists. Look for a banner year of tourists flooding the UK. We will probably go, but that has ben planned since I had enough miles.  
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:44 am

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Personally, I think it's about time we had a funkily-named monarch, so here's hoping for something slightly more unusual in the naming department

When I was a kid, I used to think that males in the royal family weren't allowed to have a name other than Edward, George, Henry, Charles, or Richard.

I suppose it is OK if RussianJet gets his way and they name the baby "Sunshine Space-Tweezers."
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:27 am

Congratulations to the Royal couple on the expectant birth of the new third in line to the throne  
Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Personally, I think it's about time we had a funkily-named monarch

I have a feeling that if the child is female, she'll be named Diana in honour of the late Princess Diana.

I don't think we should have a funkily named monarch, personally, but maybe it's because I'm too old fashioned  
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:53 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 24):
I have a feeling that if the child is female, she'll be named Diana in honour of the late Princess Diana.

Maybe one of her names but not her first name, that would be stupid and sure to create problems.
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:49 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 24):
I have a feeling that if the child is female, she'll be named Diana in honour of the late Princess Diana.

I hope not. I think the expectations heaped on the child, especially by the media, would be awful.

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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:55 am

I was visiting some old folks today...they couldn't talk about anything other than the royal foetus.  
More seriously, I wonder what will be left of the realm by the time it becomes monarch. I am pro-monarchy, but as ltbewr pointed out, it is going to be a very long time before it becomes monarch and plenty of the Commonwealth realms could have become republics by then.

I hope this new royal makes a good King/Queen, not that I'm likely to be alive at the time.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Indeed.....I am preparing myself for months on end of reading about little but 'royal baby this' and 'royal baby that' in the news here.....

The gossip magazines will be having a field day.   

Quoting Airstud (Reply 23):
I suppose it is OK if RussianJet gets his way and they name the baby "Sunshine Space-Tweezers."

   Part of me now hopes they name it something simillar.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 24):
I have a feeling that if the child is female, she'll be named Diana in honour of the late Princess Diana.

Not more of her again.  
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:14 pm

Nice to hear, I wish all three involved a happy time ahead! One cant say that the Windsors do have much problems these days.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 24):
I don't think we should have a funkily named monarch, personally, but maybe it's because I'm too old fashioned  

Absolutely agreed, a royal child is a sign of continuity and the bearer of a countries dignity, so its likely another Edward or George, or Elizabeth, or Anne. Arthur and Edgar are too distant in history to have a chance? And Diana not royal enough?

Quoting Airstud (Reply 23):
I suppose it is OK if RussianJet gets his way and they name the baby "Sunshine Space-Tweezers."

Good god, if you want to see the child become a brainless drug addict...

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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
I hope not. I think the expectations heaped on the child, especially by the media, would be awful.

That's a fair point. I sincerely hope that no one has to go through the sort of attention and invasions of privacy that Diana had to endure.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 27):
I am pro-monarchy, but as ltbewr pointed out, it is going to be a very long time before it becomes monarch and plenty of the Commonwealth realms could have become republics by then.

Could be, but not necessary. I can't speak or anyone else, but as long as I have a right to vote in this country, I will vote against a republic every single time. And based on polls I have seen recently, the majority of the population would also vote against a republic.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:02 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 29):
Could be, but not necessary. I can't speak or anyone else, but as long as I have a right to vote in this country, I will vote against a republic every single time. And based on polls I have seen recently, the majority of the population would also vote against a republic.

Interesting. Perhaps the change to become a Republic doesnt change anything to the positive. From far away, I cant see anything that would make life of the Australians better without the Queen while good connections to the UK and the commonwealth surely must have some positive effects without costing much.
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:48 pm

I'm sick of Anglo-Saxons already.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting pellegrine (Reply 31):
I'm sick of Anglo-Saxons already.

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Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 7):
Please, give mom and dad their privacy and the media go away.

The Royals don't want privacy. It's the media attention that keeps them on the throne. Wills and his brother are groomed to have constant newsworthy movements. The Royals have unbelievable control over the media. If they read your comments they would laugh.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 9):
Never, just not going to happen - more's the pity.

In Kazakstan? Wow, didn't know anyone in those parts would be interested in our monarchy.

I'm a royal fan and this new royal baby addition is happy news for everyone. It's good news for business, tourism and the UK.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:37 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 33):
I'm a royal fan

I'm a Kate Middleton fan!
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:56 pm

We now have 7 months of media frenzy to look forward to. Waiting in the queue to buy my morning paper yesterday and a man in front of me was moaning that his previosu days paper had 13 pages full of the pregnancy announcement. On that basis I son't even want to think about the covergae for the birth.

The way its going at the moment I have visions of a photographer with a long lens photoing the royal dilated cervix !!

It must be women who are interested in reading all about it, as all the men I've spoken to so far are either already fed up with the coverage, or totally uninterested.
 
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:48 pm

Oh no, now media will be full of useless hype even in here Finland... I hope it won't be as bad and annoying as when Swedish royal family got a new member to waste tax money.

And I hope all the best to them, I just hate all the media hype this kind of events create.

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Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 36):
And I hope all the best to them, I just hate all the media hype this kind of events create.

There will surely be a Media overkill, I just hope they leave them a little privacy. But the less official news, the more lies the Yellow Press will tell.
Anyway, still better to read about such positive things than about the drunken exploits of spoiled brats like Lindsay Lohan which would be the alternative...
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:19 pm

BTW, I heard the TV say the conception happened in France, don't know if it's true but it would be funny.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:41 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 33):
The Royals have unbelievable control over the media. If they read your comments they would laugh.

Not always enough control it would seem....

Remember a few weeks ago in the worlds press corp.

The topless pics of Kate, while they were on holiday. Buck Place almost went into lock down because of that.
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting babybus (Reply 33):
In Kazakstan? Wow, didn't know anyone in those parts would be interested in our monarchy.

Probably not there, but you never know. But here, in the UK where I was born and brought up, and live, it will be in the press a lot.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 39):
Not always enough control it would seem....

Remember a few weeks ago in the worlds press corp.

The topless pics of Kate, while they were on holiday. Buck Place almost went into lock down because of that.

That was the foreign press. The British press is a whole different kettle of fish, as the Diana legacy still maintains a lot of influence in the relation between the Royals and the newspapers, aside from other regulatory differences.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:08 am

Congrats to the "royals" haha I cannot even type that with a straight face...
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
And the giveafuck-o-meter is registering a big fat zero.

Amen.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 20):
So just ignore it then?

I'd love to, except it's freaking everywhere. The media just immerses itself in this royal crapola incessantly and it's everywhere.

I've never understood the fascination, nay--obsession, with the royals. I despise the concept.

And I couldn't give two shits about some limey bastard baby who is born with a silver spoon in its mouth before it even sees the light of day. An aristocratic heir that will never have to work a day in its life, be fawned over for NO reason other than a happy accident of its birth.

This royalty garbage is actually quite embarrassing and would be shameful if those who give this crap the time of day had any shame. God save the queen--barf.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 42):
I'd love to, except it's freaking everywhere.

Not here on A.net it's not. There's just this one single thread. You can choose not to click on it.

Quoting slider (Reply 42):
An aristocratic heir that will never have to work a day in its life

That just shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. But I guess ignorance is bliss ...  
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 43):
That just shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. But I guess ignorance is bliss ...

So please correct me then if I'm mistaken.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 42):

Why then do you waste some minutes to write such a long post and even come back later?

Quoting slider (Reply 42):
An aristocratic heir that will never have to work a day in its life,

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Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 42):
An aristocratic heir that will never have to work a day in its life, be fawned over for NO reason other than a happy accident of its birth.

The unborn child's father and future uncle are both working - by choice - in the military, with one of them in the front line in Afghanistan and an announced target of the Taliban.

Quoting slider (Reply 42):
I've never understood the fascination, nay--obsession, with the royals. I despise the concept.

You don't like it, you don't want it - you don't understand it - fine. You live in another country with a different system which - I think - has some serious flaws to it. A healthy percentage of your electorate does not believe that your head of state is "legitimate."

For myself, I prefer the system of constitutional monarchy to any other.

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Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:52 am

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 32):

Quoting pellegrine (Reply 31):
I'm sick of Anglo-Saxons already.

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other people's cultures...and the Dutch."

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Ok well I'm not intolerant of anyone's culture. I don't think US news needs to dominate on this...understandable if British news chooses to. Even if I were a Scot I'd be a little miffed. There's much more serious shit going on in the world than Kate's pregnancy. I watched the Royal Wedding too. But. Meh.
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Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:08 am

Quoting slider (Reply 44):
So please correct me then if I'm mistaken.

Members of the British Royal Family have traditionally served - and indeed are expected to serve - in the military. Prince William is a RAF Rescue Helicopter pilot; Prince Harry is on the front lines in Afghanistan; Prince Andrew served in the Royal Navy as a pilot and saw action in the Falklands War; Prince Charles was a pilot with the RAF and flew HS 780s; then served in the Royal Navy and served as a helicopter pilot; Prince Philip served in the Royal Navy and saw action during World War II; hell, even the Queen herself served in the British Army as a truck driver and mechanic. When this child reaches 18 years of age, he or she will probably attend a university to get a degree and then serve as a military officer.

Aside from their military careers, they represent the nation in many State functions. Their lives are devoted to duty; there is rarely a time when they are off duty, and even when they are off duty, the media attention they get anywhere they go pretty much ensures that they rarely have time to themselves. It is an erroneous assumption to believe that they just sit on their backsides in their palaces and get their servants to do all the work.

Quoting mariner (Reply 46):
You don't like it, you don't want it - you don't understand it - fine. You live in another country with a different system which - I think - has some serious flaws to it. A healthy percentage of your electorate does not believe that your head of state is "legitimate."

For myself, I prefer the system of constitutional monarchy to any other.

I agree.
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RE: Royal Baby Expected

Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:20 am

I don't understand what this hype is all about. She's pregnant, so what? All the best for her and her kid! But just because she is married to a Royal makes this special? This is so overrated!
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