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Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:57 pm

South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint is stepping down at the end of the year to take over the Heritage Foundation.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...l-step-down-from-senate/?hpt=hp_t3

Anyone else think he's setting himself up for a run for President in 2016?

With Obama winning reelection and the Democrats strengthing their position in the Senate he's looking at four years that won't look great on a resume during a presidental election. Either he compromises and burns bridges he's built in the conservative camp which is bad in the primary, or he holds the conservative line and gets painted as an obstructionist in the general election. This seems like a good way to stay plugged into the conservative base of the party and avoid further building a voting record that can be used against him in four years.
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:59 pm

A run for the GOP or Tea Party primary maybe, but I doubt the former would be stupid enough to nominate him !
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 1):
A run for the GOP or Tea Party primary maybe, but I doubt the former would be stupid enough to nominate him !

They nominated Romney, who outside of one good debate performance was a disaster.

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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:39 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Thread starter):
Anyone else think he's setting himself up for a run for President in 2016?

I doubt that. He is far too right to be acceptable to the majority of voters and the GOP knows it. Especially after the last group of primary candidates.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 1):

A run for the GOP or Tea Party primary maybe,

I think he bailed because the Tea Party is looking weaker these days. It also might be helpful to look at his new compensation package. I can see Mr. DeMint ending up a wealthy man.
 
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:45 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
I can see Mr. DeMint ending up a wealthy man.

I wonder if he'll also turn around and become a lobbyist too.
 
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 4):
I wonder if he'll also turn around and become a lobbyist too.

What do you think the President of the Heritage Foundation is?
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:39 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

What do you think the President of the Heritage Foundation is?

Captain of the voyage to the Nonsense Planet?   
 
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:27 am

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 6):
Captain of the voyage to the Nonsense Planet?   

I mean, besides that.  
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:29 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
What do you think the President of the Heritage Foundation is?

The largest conservative think tank in America.

www.heritage.org
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:39 am

Maybe he hears footsteps of scandal coming closer to him. Better to leave before it breaks, go to a nice high paying gig as a major lobbyist. Maybe he 'wants to spend more time with his family' instead of spending most of his waking hours raising money for his next political race and for other Republicans races. Political critics note DeMint was actually a very weak Senator, with few bills sponsored with his name and mainly a supporter of the general Republican policies.

Apparently the Republican Governor of SC can appoint a replacement for DeMint. I wish they would appoint a fiscal and social moderate, not some friend of the Tea Party. A possible appointment could be a current SC State Senator, an African-American Republican, which would mean finally breaking the all white lock on the current US Senate. I am not sure if that person would be in office for the remaining part of DeMint's unfilled term or if a special election would be held in a set time or at the next major state election or with the next November general election.
 
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:20 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
A possible appointment could be a current SC State Senator,

That's Congressman Tim Scott, who represents South Carolina's First Congressional District in the US House of Representatives - he's not and has never been a state senator. He's well-loved by the tea party types - in the Republican primaries in 2010 he managed to defeat the son of one of South Carolina's most popular former governors, Carroll Campbell, as well as Strom Thurmond's son, Paul. Not easy things to do in that state. I'm not a fan of his politics, personally. Another rumor I've come across is that Haley will resign as governor and strike a deal with the Lt. Gov, Glen McConnell that he'll appoint her for DeMint's Senate seat once she resigns.
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:00 pm

It shows DeMint is a fraud. He was elected to serve the people of SC for a full term, and he's leaving not to take a job of public service or to run for a higher office, but to line his pockets.
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 11):
He was elected to serve the people of SC for a full term

He's never exactly been about service to the people of South Carolina...
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
I am not sure if that person would be in office for the remaining part of DeMint's unfilled term or if a special election would be held in a set time or at the next major state election or with the next November general election.

Whoever is appointed will serve for two years. In November 2014, the seat will come up for election, for the remaining two years of the term, and the appointee can choose to run at that time to retain the seat. In 2016, the seat will come up for election in its normal 6-year cycle.
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 8):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
What do you think the President of the Heritage Foundation is?

The largest conservative think tank in America.

www.heritage.org

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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Thread starter):
Anyone else think he's setting himself up for a run for President in 2016?

Not a chance.

He has no national bona fides other than being a behind-the-scenes Tea Party puppeteer. But even then, he's no Michele Bachmann.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
I think he bailed because the Tea Party is looking weaker these days.

This is the reason. His power and influence is at its apogee in the Senate -- to maintain or grow, he had to go.
 
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:15 pm

Geez, just because he's a congressman with different opinions than some of our own doesn't mean he's automatically doing something sleazy or corrupt. Some of you guys are going off the deep end here, kinda like how some people assume everything the President does is corrupt.

Maybe he has some cynical motive, or maybe he really does want to help his cause out or spend time with his family or whatever
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:34 pm

I was shocked to have heard this; DeMint is a true conservative and unapologetically so. Damn shame to see his voice gone. I thinkt he GOP's internecine war will only continue with his departure.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 10):
Tim Scott

Would LOVE Tim Scott...solid, solid pick.

NRO had a brief rundown of potential successors:
http://www.nationalreview.com/campai...t/334980/contenders-replace-demint
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 16):
Geez, just because he's a congressman with different opinions than some of our own doesn't mean he's automatically doing something sleazy or corrupt.

I don't know about corrupt, but the reasoning he used to vote against ratifying the UN disabilities treaty (which is basically the same as what US law is) - a general distrust for the UN - was pretty sleazy.

I don't wish him any ill, but I'm not sad to see him go.

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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 17):
I thinkt he GOP's internecine war will only continue with his departure.

Or it will abate somewhat. Let's not forget that DeMint was one of the worst out there for backing hardline tea party challengers to compromise-minded Republicans like Specter and Crist. As a former South Carolinian who voted against him, I, for one, am glad to see him gone.
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
They nominated Romney, who outside of one good debate performance was a disaster.

Please don't underestimate the GOP!

Well he was a decent candidate, very hurt by having to toe the party line and flip flop between the primaries and the election.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 10):
Another rumor I've come across is that Haley will resign as governor and strike a deal with the Lt. Gov, Glen McConnell that he'll appoint her for DeMint's Senate seat once she resigns.

Would that fly with the electorate ? Especially Tea Party types that don't really like politicians to begin with.

Quoting slider (Reply 17):
DeMint is a true conservative and unapologetically so

But then again he supports things that he should clearly be apologetic about.
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:51 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):

Would that fly with the electorate ? Especially Tea Party types that don't really like politicians to begin with.

She's recently said she wouldn't do it, but I could see it fly. She does poll well with the Tea Party types and it would allow her to escape some of the heat in SC she's been facing over a massive data breach that compromised the social security numbers of millions of South Carolinians.

The problem is that SC uses a system where Governor and Lt. Governor aren't elected on a single ticket, so the current Lieutenant Governor, Glenn McConnell, doesn't have a particularly strong affinity for Haley - in fact they've regularly clashed in the past and don't get along. On top of that, it would elevate McConnell to governor despite being unelected to either the governorship OR the lieutenant governorship (McConnell became Lieutenant Governor when former Lieutenant Governor Ken Ard resigned in March due to ethics violations. McConnell, as the President Pro Tempore of the State Senate, stepped up to become Lieutenant Governor). There's also the fact that McConnell has a little bit of a neo-Confederate problem. He's spoken the praises of the Confederate flag, was photographed at a party dressed as a Confederate general along with two black people dressed as slaves (McConnell is also a Civil War reenactor), and has openly stated the state needs to start its own "naval militia." I think he's a little too cuckoo even for SC to stomach as governor for the remainder of Haley's term, especially considering he would have slid into the position unelected.
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 15):
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):I think he bailed because the Tea Party is looking weaker these days.

This is the reason. His power and influence is at its apogee in the Senate -- to maintain or grow, he had to go.

I suspect it is also to remove himself from the current tax increase debate and "preserve" his image as a staunch anti-tx person in case he ever does eek higher office.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 16):
Geez, just because he's a congressman with different opinions than some of our own doesn't mean he's automatically doing something sleazy or corrupt. Some of you guys are going off the deep end here, kinda like how some people assume everything the President does is corrupt.

Maybe he has some cynical motive, or maybe he really does want to help his cause out or spend time with his family or whatever

This was all planned well in advance. There have been several other Republican's doing similar where their seat is essentially safe and will be filled by another Republican. They ran for reelection as part of a plan to keep and increase the Republican presence in the legislature (which did not come to fruition) even though they were already planning to do something else this year because you want to run a strong "known name" campaign and not have to try to run an unknown which takes more money to get the electorate familiar with and to favor. The Republican's would have been at risk to likely lose more seats if more new names ran.

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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
Apparently the Republican Governor of SC can appoint a replacement for DeMint. I wish they would appoint a fiscal and social moderate, not some friend of the Tea Party.

This is going to be a critical choice for her - especially with her election coming up. I've read that there is going to be a unique election there in 2014 - BOTH Senators and the governor on the ballot at the same time. That has to impact how she goes about naming DeMint's replacement.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
Apparently the Republican Governor of SC can appoint a replacement for DeMint. I wish they would appoint a fiscal and social moderate, not some friend of the Tea Party.

That is where the challenge comes in. How did the last election go in SC? What impacts could any shift have on the Governor's office with her election coming up?

Quoting slider (Reply 17):

I was shocked to have heard this; DeMint is a true conservative and unapologetically so. Damn shame to see his voice gone.

I've thought of him as one of the bullies in the Senate. A worst example of a Tea Party wingnut who puts cash over country.
 
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:52 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
I've thought of him as one of the bullies in the Senate. A worst example of a Tea Party wingnut who puts cash over country.

You know I was almost persuaded to vote democrat. After all I lost my job at NWA after 17 yrs and the corporate raiders forced me and my friends to the street.. But you see I am an Asthmatic and I use a little over the counter product called Primatine Mist..Well the democrats and environmentalist zealots forced it off the market. It was THE only over the counter relief for those of us with Asthma. All of this stemmed from the propellant in this inhaler is a CFC. So I can see them getting the R12 for refrigerators off the market but the miniscule amount this puts out and taking a product off the market that keeps people like me from having to go to the ER is bullshit. Sen Jim DeMint tried to get an exemption for Primatine Mist but all the democrats voted it down...So the democrats have put all us Asthmatics at risk of death by taking our only over the counter product off the market..Oh and by the way the prescription inhalers suck. and you cant get them in the middle of the night the only option now is a hospital trip if you lucky enough to be near one.. Democrats a party of the people?? Not hardly!! They will NEVER EVER get my vote.

[Edited 2012-12-14 18:53:58]

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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 10):
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
A possible appointment could be a current SC State Senator,

That's Congressman Tim Scott,

Well it appears that it will be Tim Scott!

Quote:
South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley on Monday named Rep. Tim Scott as the replacement for outgoing Sen. Jim DeMint.

Haley announced her decision at noon on Monday at the Statehouse. Scott was elected to Congress in the 2010 Republican wave. Haley's selection would make him the first black U.S. senator from South Carolina.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...-to-announce-sen-demint-successor/

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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:46 pm

Glad Nikki Haley didn't pull a Rod Blagojevich by selling the seat to the highest bidder.
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:49 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 17):
Would LOVE Tim Scott...solid, solid pick.

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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 24):
But you see I am an Asthmatic and I use a little over the counter product called Primatine Mist..Well the democrats and environmentalist zealots forced it off the market. It was THE only over the counter relief for those of us with Asthma. All of this stemmed from the propellant in this inhaler is a CFC. So I can see them getting the R12 for refrigerators off the market but the miniscule amount this puts out and taking a product off the market that keeps people like me from having to go to the ER is bullshit.

Epinephrine is not considered safe for asthma treatment. Monica Kraft, president of the American Thoracic Society, says:

Quote:

It is my strongly held view and the view of the American Thoracic Society, that returning epinephrine inhalers to the U.S. market, even for a limited time, would be ill advised.

This view is shared by several other physician organizations including, the American Academy of Allergy Asthma and Immunology, the American College of Asthma Allergy and Immunology, the American Association of Respiratory Care and the National Association for the Medical Direction of Respiratory Care.…

The take away message is that in the majority of cases, asthma can be successfully treated by working with health care professionals to find the right combination of safe and effective medications.

Epinephrine is NOT one of the medications that is considered safe for the treatment of asthma.…

For years the medical community has recognized the dangerous side effects of epinephrine for the treatment of asthma and has recommended against it use for asthma. In 1999 the American Medical Association 1) urged that warning labels on over the counter epinephrine inhalers be strengthened to warn patients about the dangers of epinephrine use, 2) encouraged FDA to consider removing inhaled epinephrine from the market and 3) requested studies to determine whether the availability of inhaled epinephrine is a risk factor in asthma morbidity and mortality. The American Medical Association again reaffirmed this position in 2009.…

The American Thoracic Society strongly encourages any patient who is using over the counter medications--like Primatene Mist CFC--to treat their asthma to see a healthcare provider who can help the patient develop an asthma management plan and recommend more effective and safer medications to manage the asthma. ...

If the intent of the legislation is to restore a safe and effective asthma drug to the market place, then this legislative effort is mis-informed. Inhaled epinephrine is not a safe drug for the treatment of asthma. The adverse side effects of epinephrine are serious and well documented. No current clinical practice guideline for the diagnosis and treatment of asthma recommends the use of epinephrine. In fact, asthma guidelines specifically recommend against inhaled epinephrine for treating asthma.

Hardly an environmentalist plot.....
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:25 pm

Tim Scott is a hard line Tea Party Politician and ultra strong gun supporter (not a good thing this week).

He is the first black elected to the Senate since Reconstruction.

Overall he appears to be a bright guy - for a Tea Party type.

Odds are, however, that he will do nothing to open the GOP to people of color, which is what the GOP needs these days.

Overall my bet is that he will be a follow the leader Republican in the Senate.
 
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:46 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 29):
ultra strong gun supporter (not a good thing this week).

Excellent. Supporting legal gun rights is a good thing every week.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 29):
He is the first black elected to the Senate since Reconstruction.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.
He is being appointed. Also, William Brooke (R-MA) was the first black elected to the Senate since reconstruction in 1966. Then Carol Mosley Braun (D-IL) in 1992, then Barack Obama (D-IL) in 2004.
Roland Burris (D-IL) was appointed in 2009 after the selling of Obama's Senate seat by Rod Blagojevich.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 29):
Odds are, however, that he will do nothing to open the GOP to people of color,

Well of course. The lamestream media will go after him all day & night just as they did with Sarah Palin and Herman Cain. The press do not like Blacks and other minorities that do not tow the Democratic Party line.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 29):
Overall my bet is that he will be a follow the leader Republican in the Senate.

Better than following Harry Reid I guess.  

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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:38 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
Excellent. Supporting legal gun rights is a good thing every week.

I am all for supporting "legal gun rights", the key question though is exactly what should those legal gun rights be....

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Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:40 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
Well of course. The lamestream media will go after him all day & night just as they did with Sarah Palin and Herman Cain. The press do not like Blacks and other minorities that do not tow the Democratic Party line.

Good lord, I'm glad both of those fools didn't get anywhere nearer to the Oval Office than the White House tour. From what I read of this Tim Scott guy, I'm hoping his political career ends the same way. I wish Senator Scott all the best as a Senator but hope there's a large opposition to temper his vote. Assuming he doesn't have a change of heart in several of his views, of course.
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 28):
Epinephrine is not considered safe for asthma treatment. Monica Kraft, president of the American Thoracic Society, says:

I don't care what they say I have been using it for 40+ years as well as others who have Asthma plus they did put another totally crappy substitute on the market that has epinephrine in it and it flat out sucks. Clogs on the very first use is bulky and costs 3 to 4 x what Primatene mist did.. So again I say it is a combination of both the medical and the environmental nazis that took this great product that has saved my life more than once off the market. Sorry to see you go Sen DeMint.
 
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
Excellent. Supporting legal gun rights is a good thing every week.

Which is why the NRA has been very, very quiet this week.  
Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Oooops! Left out "from the South". As in Confederate States.

I do remember William Brooke - I put him in a class with the gentlemen of the Senate. Like Everette Dirksen, Daniel Inouye & Edward Kennedy.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
Better than following Harry Reid I guess.

Most Democrats will hope he doesn't follow Harry Reid or do anything to make the GOP attractive to minorities.  
 
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:29 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 34):
Which is why the NRA has been very, very quiet this week.  

Yep, because they condone shooting up school children.  
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 34):
I do remember William Brooke - I put him in a class with the gentlemen of the Senate. Like Everette Dirksen, Daniel Inouye & Edward Kennedy.

  
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RE: Sen. Jim DeMint Resigning

Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:40 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
The press do not like Blacks and other minorities that do not tow the Democratic Party line.

To be more specific, they don't (and rightfully so) don't like Uncle Toms.

There is not an Uncle Tom in history that has done anyone any real good in history (other than him/herself) except for providing cheap laughs for those of a limited mental capability and socially conservative whites. History is littered with this act playing out time and time again. Always presented (by conservatives) as something new (and it is new to those ignorant of black experiences in America - which includes Blacks themselves who try and distance themselves from the associated painful past with that history or embarrassment and self-loathing). In the last 40 years it has been a handy but limited tool of use by conservative whites - as in this case. And there is no shortage of desperate blacks willing to be the GOP/Tea Party show poodle - both sides are happy until the usefulness has run it's course - see J.C. Watts, Thomas Sowell, Armstrong Williams, Larry Elder, Clarence Thomas and as of late the embarrassment that is Alan West of Florida.

Scott will not win the special election of 2014 if he follows West's Tea Party act (and he won't win vs Stephen Colbert) ...but let's see what he does with the opportunity and see if he galvanize S.C. blacks and appease conservative whites statewide (a high wire act if there ever was one).

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Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:29 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 34):
I do remember William Brooke - I put him in a class with the gentlemen of the Senate. Like Everette Dirksen, Daniel Inouye & Edward Kennedy.

I think you mean Sen. Edward Brooke of Mass.

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