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Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:45 pm

Good to see John Kerry finally get some redemption after his narrow loss in 2004 Presidential election.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/21/politi...ry-nomination/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Now wait and see if Hillary is thinking about becoming a female Ronald Reagan as first and oldest woman elected President. (She will be 69 in 2016 - same age as Reagan in 1980. )

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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:53 am

John Kerry is a good man and will be as good a Sec State as Susan RIce would have been.

Of course we'll need to see if thee Swift Boat Captains climb out from under their rocks to cause a problem.

Hillary? She certainly has the intellectual strength (as opposed to W) and the experience if government, both domestic and internationally. Other major countries have had women at the head of government - Margret Thatcher is a good example.
 
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
Hillary? She certainly has the intellectual strength (as opposed to W) and the experience if government, both domestic and internationally. Other major countries have had women at the head of government - Margret Thatcher is a good example.

Personally, I think the Dems need a younger and more vibrant person to take on that job. Look at how the job ages a person. Also being Secretary of State seems to have aged Hillary a lot.

I really hope Hillary and Uncle Joe step aside and let a younger person take the job. Unfortunately I have no idea who that younger person would be at this point in time.

Not to mention Hillary has her own baggage (health care anyone?) and it also brings Bill back into the spotlight.

Uncle Joe? C'mon... Nice guy to rally the party faithful, but not vigorous to have the top slot (and may the almighty help us if it ever comes to that...).

Personally I hope they find something useful to do with themselves on the sidelines of politics. Bill Clinton's speech at the Dem Convention was a masterpiece, and that's the kind of stuff they should be doing.
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:29 am

I was only 14 during the time, young and extremely bias, but can anyone give me a no-BS assessment on how you think he'll do? I mean not "he'll do fine because he's democrat and I'm democrat" but an accurate assessment. Does he have much experience in this kind of a job? I'm sure you need to be well versed in diplomacy
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
I was only 14 during the time, young and extremely bias, but can anyone give me a no-BS assessment on how you think he'll do?

Kerry will be fantastic.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Does he have much experience in this kind of a job?

Kerry has had a keen interest in foreign relations since at least high school. He is currently chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, which is responsible for aiding the President in negotiation of and ultimately bringing to the floor the ratification of any treaty. He has been at the forefront of the Senate's Foreign Relations dealing since the time he came into office, which started with the Kerry Committee report on Iran Contra.

So yes - he has tons of experience in this field.
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:36 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
Not to mention Hillary has her own baggage (health care anyone?) and it also brings Bill back into the spotlight.

Hillary worked pretty hard on health care, but made it too complex. As a real test of the need, look at the price of health insurance premiums when she worked on it and the costs today. Then start looking at the impact on the P&L's of companies stuck with paying for nanny care. At least Hillary tried to do something about the world's most expensive health care.

Bill has never been out of the spotlight. From raising money with W's Dad to the Clinton Initiative - Bill has been in the international spotlight since he left office. And he still delivers one hell of a speech.
 
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:23 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
At least Hillary tried to do something about the world's most expensive health care.

I agree with what you are saying, but it seems to me unless Obamacare becomes very popular very quickly, it's a factor that will work strongly against her.
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:55 pm

He's certainly qualified for the job and the best pick we could expect from an Obama administration.

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
Good to see John Kerry finally get some redemption after his narrow loss in 2004 Presidential election.



Agreed. I maintain that he was the better choice in the 2004 election.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Does he have much experience in this kind of a job?



He became a US Senator before you were born. He has solid military credentials, speaks French and is chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.

Not that it matters but this would probably make him the richest Secretary of State too. He married an old bag and became 3 times richer than Mitt Romney. 
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:16 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
I agree with what you are saying, but it seems to me unless Obamacare becomes very popular very quickly, it's a factor that will work strongly against her.

I understand Hillary Clinton's connection with healthcare reform under Clinton's white house. I am not seeing her connection to Obamacare.
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
Personally, I think the Dems need a younger and more vibrant person to take on that job.


Why?

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
I really hope Hillary and Uncle Joe step aside and let a younger person take the job.



How about Corrine Brown (D-FL), Robert Menendez (D-NY) or one of his interns...?
Honestly I don't see how being younger adds to one's qualifications. I rather have Hillary and Joe Biden because of their years of experience. I tend to trust the older liberals more then the younger ones anyway. If given the choice, I'd go for Joe Biden just for all the jokes he'll bring as a President. We'll need something to humor us as we're in a free-fall off the cliff.

My choice for the next President would be Joe Mancin (D-WV) or Mary Landrieu (D-LA).
I hope one of those two decide to run.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
Also being Secretary of State seems to have aged Hillary a lot.


Being married to Bill may have a lot to do with that. She has to cover for Bill and Obama. I'm surprised she's not a pill-popper and alcoholic at this point.
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:35 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
Hillary? She certainly has the intellectual strength (as opposed to W) and the experience if government, both domestic and internationally. Other major countries have had women at the head of government - Margret Thatcher is a good example.

She certainly has the resume for it. I'm not sure how I feel about her personally (Bill will always be my favorite Clinton), but I have to say she would be a very strong, respectable, and all around great for this country pick for the position.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
I was only 14 during the time, young and extremely bias, but can anyone give me a no-BS assessment on how you think he'll do? I mean not "he'll do fine because he's democrat and I'm democrat" but an accurate assessment. Does he have much experience in this kind of a job? I'm sure you need to be well versed in diplomacy

Ironically, for a lot of the reasons he lost in 2004. He's a great deal more introspective about world affairs and has a very good ability to translate this into broad range, long term thinking and policy making/enforcement.

His primary weakness at the time was an inability to convey this to the public as something that would be good for us. However, as a Secretary of State, there's really no need for that part of the job. He has an excellent history for this position, but then so do a lot of other folks. He's a good pick because his experience has translated well into positions on a lot of foreign policy issues.

That's my take anyway.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
I maintain that he was the better choice in the 2004 election.

Indeed. I regret not having voted for him.
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
wait and see if Hillary is thinking about becoming a female Ronald Reagan as first and oldest woman elected President.


Hillary Clinton will be an excellent president. And John Kerry is an excellent choice for USA Foreign Minister
 
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RE: Senator Kerry To Succeed Clinton As Sec. State

Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:09 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
unless Obamacare becomes very popular very quickly, it's a factor that will work strongly against her.

This is going to be interesting to watch. Start with the "pre-existing conditions" problems with private insurance. How many people in this country have someone with a pre-existing condition, or know someone with a pre-existing conditions problem in their family? It can be a huge factor in the standards of health care in the US.

Then there are those, like me, who believe that the exceptionally high costs of employer nanny care needs to be eliminated. Those in other countries who work for companies without nanny care on the P&L know what I'm talking about.

And there are those, again like me, who believe it is insane to have 50 state admin departments for Medicaid when all those patients can be managed at the national level with a far higher standard of care delivered to the poor.

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