Not having ever met General Dempsey, I'm not able to say anything about him, one way or another; but regardless of what he OR
Leon Panetta think, they both get their orders from the same place.
One other thing that a few have touched on, and no one can refute this, because it has already happened, has BEEN happening since the beginning of time, and WILL continue to happen, regardless of who thinks what. We already have at least one female commanding a ship; I don't recall the type; I can see that working, and as far as I know, it already IS
"working"; however, that's getting awfully close to the one place in the whole Navy I DON'T see a female crew member EVER "working out"; aboard submarines.
I wasn't a "sub sailor" when I was in the Navy, but I did spend 4 years working on them, to the extent that I had the rare opportunity to "go out" on a brief "shake down" after making a repair on a couple of old, WW
2 Fleet Type subs; you can read every submarine book out there, but until you have served as crew aboard a submarine, you have NO IDEA just how "different" life aboard a submarine really is. There is a very old joke among sub sailors that alludes to life aboard a submarine; it goes like this; "80 a**holes and no portholes"; (if that tells you anything)
My own opinion is.......you may possibly see women in Seal teams before you see women in submarines; but I also think that's highly unlikely, and probably for about the same reasons.
The whole notion of women in all different areas of our armed forces was a "social experiment" from the get-go; it has ALREADY proven what the people who were against it were trying to point out.
Military commanders have a HUGE problem on their hands already, even before the first woman "added to" the "problem". I'll try to explain what I'm talking about; (this isn't an opinion, just a reflection on an "experience";
The first ship I was on was the U.S.S. Fulton, AS
-11; (A is for "auxiliary", S is for "submarine") The Fulton was a 629 ft long, 19,000 ton floating submarine base; in Navy-speak, a "sub-tender"; all auxiliary ships spend the bulk of their time either tied to a pier, "tending" what ever type of vessels they're designed for, or else "anchored out" someplace near some island, but doing the same thing. Anyway, the Navy was having this HUGE "joint" operation in the Carribean, and the Fulton was deployed to Puerto Rico to serve as an "over night" base for the old type subs of those bye-gone days;
The trip from New London, Ct. to Puerto Rico took "5 or 6 days", give or take; ( sub tenders DON'T "go fast" ); anyway, on the trip down to PR
, it was one LONG "cautionary, explanatory" "training session"; (all about the very real "dangers" of "men" (meaning "us"), "catching" all manner of venereal diseases. I don't know how many have ever BEEN to PR
, but there were a LOT of "women" there; and 98% of them were "real babes"; the problem is though, (or at least "was") (I'm talking 1952 or 3 here) there was not much for all of these gorgeous young girls to "do", so they were ALL
"doing" the same thing; "entertaining" men, (for a "price") All the way to PR
we were shown film after film after film; all of the same things; extreme close-ups of male genitalia suffering the effects of all manner of VD
(as it was referred to back then) (today they've changed that to "STD") (same thing, different name)
When the films stopped, the lectures began; "Don't do this", Don't do that", (or "your's will look like "this"!) All the way to PR
, we are being "indoctrinated"; I'm thinking...."Boy, this is gonna be ONE well trained bunch of guys when we get there!" Oh....I almost forgot.....just after the don't do this and that lecture, came the "but if you do" lecture, which consisted of intensive indoctrination of a bunch of young 19yr olds on "what to do", immediately after "doing" what you have just received a week of "training" about "what NOT to do"; as I'm sure Captain J.S. Coye, Jr. (our CO
) fully expected everyone WOULD do, the minute we arrived in PR
, 1st section and 2nd section went on liberty, (while 3rd section (the "duty" section) stayed "aboard", and by midnight (when liberty was "up"), everyone came back to the ship, and the "head" (that's the "room" on a ship where sailors pee) looked like a HUGE VD
clinic; everyone was attempting to use the provided "pro kits", (which, as I remember, consisted of a small tube (with convenient "spout") to get the contents "up in it", plus all of the little oily papers intended to "wrap it up in"; And the next day, guess what ? Exactly as was predicted.........2/3 of the crew of the U.S.S. Fulton are lined up at sick bay, being treated for "infected genitalia".
See, the people who run the Armed Forces have "been there, done that"; they already KNOW what guys are gonna "do" when females are "available"; Hey......it's ALWAYS been "against the law" to rob banks; have you ever noticed how many don't pay any attention to THAT law ?
And that concludes MY
reasoning relative to "why" women won't work on submarines. Thank you.
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein