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Do You Give Money To Beggars? If Not, Other Help?

Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:51 pm

This question is the result of a discussion, well disagreement really, I had with a friend the other day. I was approached for money by an obvious vagrant who was in a very sorry-looking state, and I said no, but asked if he was hungry and if he would like something to eat. He said yes, so I duly furnished him with BK burger and a hot cup of coffee. He was very grateful and scoffed the burger immediately.

Anyway, 'sucker' was what my friend called me for doing this. When pushed for justification of this label, his main thrust seemed to be along the lines that he was sure the guy could get proper help if he wanted it and was basically too lazy or disorganised or whatever to sort himself out.

I consider this to be pretty callous, and I was pretty disappointed in him (not that I'll hold it against him!). The bottom line for me is that he was in an obviously bad way, it was cold and we'd had snow, and regardless of why he is in this position I will not begrudge someone a bit of food if I can afford to give it to them, have the time etc. (well, if you can call BK food.....). I am not happy to simply dish out money to unknown ends.

So the question - do you give money or any other form of help to homeless people sometimes? If so, in what form? If never, why not?

I realise I can't help everyone, but I do buy a hot drink or bite to eat for people now and again if the attitude is ok and they appear to need it. I really don't see anything wrong with it.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:03 am

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
He said yes, so I duly furnished him with BK burger and a hot cup of coffee. He was very grateful and scoffed the burger immediately

The last straw was when a bum asked me for food while he was standing infront of a door at the McDonald's om Woodward Ave, in Detroit. I told him I would buy him anything he wanted, but he said he wanted Wendy's and could I give him the money instead. I asked where he would get Wendy's and he said "down the block" I told him there was no Wendy's around here and he said he just wanted money.

We get worthless bums comming into my church all the time asking for food. I have taken many of them to the big pantry we have in the back for just such a reason and they tell me they want hot food. I then say "go down the street to the Methodist church they have hot food" then they say I want the money. Women who come in want the food and are happy to have it, the men really just want money.

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
do you give money or any other form of help to homeless people sometimes? If so, in what form? If never, why not?

Never, Never, Never, I am have been burned enough times. I will give my church's food to people who actually want it and I contribute to organizations that will actually feed people, but I will not give a penny to a beggar on the street.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:13 am

Elderly people: Due to our sorry Social Security system, many elderly men and women live in total abandon and / or squalor. They obviously can´t work and usually live alone, in srtuctures that can hardly be called a home. I give to them anytime I can.

Children: Never. A child begging is being exploited by an adult. Giving them money is promoting that exploitation.

Adults: Mentally ill? I´ll get them food, but no money, as it only makes them targets and usually loose it or spend it in alcohol or drugs. Not mentally ill? Sorry, I need that money too.
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:19 am

It depends. When in the car I have change around which will only sit there for years or go to parking so once in a while I will give the person come change it really just depends and it's fairly random unless I actually believe the sign they are holding.

As for food, it has only happened once but a man in a drive thru line asked if I could order him a meal and I did. I have no problem with that. I'm lucky enough to never had to worry about anything like so might as well help people out who are when possible.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:33 am

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
So the question - do you give money or any other form of help to homeless people sometimes? If so, in what form? If never, why not?

Depends. I usually go for non-cash donations. If some homeless person asks me for food I will gladly get some for them. I have run on homeless people sitting outside convenience stores and they sometimes ask if I could get them something to eat and drink. I would not give money because I think it would be wasted on non-essentials such as drugs and alcohol.

I have only given money twice, both times when visiting back home in Greece. On one occasion I saw a very old lady looking for food in a trashcan and a few days later the same scene with a mother and two children. I did give them enough money to get some food, since the crisis has eliminated any state-sponsored safety nets.

I don't really agree with people that consider them bums who are too lazy to get a job and get their life going. Some people screw up badly and end up on the street. That is enough self-inflicted "punishment" for them and I can only assume that going from the street to a position capable of getting any job is very hard to almost impossible.
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:42 am

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
So the question - do you give money or any other form of help to homeless people sometimes? If so, in what form? If never, why not?

No, I don't anymore. Give them money, they'll be out looking for their next hit or score instead of actually trying to help themselves. It's pathetic. So, I stopped helping.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:43 am

In Paris, I assume, like in London, most beggars are Roma (Romanian Gypsies): an organised petty crime mafia. They harass you on every second corner, they live in shanty towns on the edge of town and the proceeds go straight to the tribal boss, then the mafia boss. They abuse their children and use them as emotional capital from a very early age. They drug them as the get too old for being nursed for sympathy so that they sleep all day, compliant in their arms to attract more revenue. This is out and out child abuse and illegal in France.

I give to anyone who does not fall into the Roma category, as with the Roma I am only supporting a culture of oppression. Lone and obviously independent beggars I am willing to give something to.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:59 am

I used to give money, but there's a small problem where in EVERY single intersection there's someone begging. And if you gave to one and have no money for the next one, you're the bad guy.

I switched to buying them food or something else, but the last straw was a guy at McDonald's who came to me begging to eat. He wanted money but I told him I could buy anything he wanted from the restaurant. Not only did he ask for the most expensive meal, he actually threw it away.

I no longer give anything to anyone, even if my pocket is jingling and full of coins. Too much risk. Give them a penny, they might take a gun out and rob you of everything.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:04 am

Quoting falstaff (Reply 1):

The last straw was when a bum asked me for food while he was standing infront of a door at the McDonald's om Woodward Ave, in Detroit. I told him I would buy him anything he wanted, but he said he wanted Wendy's and could I give him the money instead. I asked where he would get Wendy's and he said "down the block" I told him there was no Wendy's around here and he said he just wanted money.

That sucks. If you're hungry you take what you are offered. I had the opposite experience to you not so long ago, when I was by a well-known coffee chain. A shivering guy asked for cash, no I said, but would he like a hot drink and food? He said yes please, and I said he could have anything he liked within reason. The ONLY thing asked for was hot milk.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):

No, I don't anymore. Give them money, they'll be out looking for their next hit or score instead of actually trying to help themselves. It's pathetic. So, I stopped helping.

Yes, but reading my whole post money wasn't the only focus. One can help in other ways.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 6):
In Paris, I assume, like in London, most beggars are Roma (Romanian Gypsies): an organised petty crime mafia

Yup, they are about and will get NOTHING from me.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:11 am

I have...now that I work downtown it is a daily occurance to be approached, a friend was going into a CVS to buy beer, he got a 6-pack of Miller High Life to have some on the train home, he saw a street person on the way out and asked if he'd like a beer, of course the guy said "yes" so he gave him a beer..as he walked away all he heard was "f**$ing High Life" I knew another who saw a Mcdonalds that offered 2 Big Macs for the price of one and he gave the 2nd one to a homeless woman..her answer was not thank you but "where are the fries and drink"..like we owe these F*%$s anything..they are there because they want to be and I can tell you more of what I've observed..screw 'em
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:14 am

Quoting charlienorth (Reply 9):
..like we owe these F*%$s anything..they are there because they want to be and I can tell you more of what I've observed..screw 'em

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Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:28 am

We don't don't seem to high a high level of vagrancy or begging going on around here. The occasional person on the side of the road or at the top of an exit ramp, but nothing over the top. I really can't recall when someone may have come up to me and ask for money in this city. I'm not so naive to think that they don't exist; maybe they aren't as aggressive here?

But, I never, ever provide cash. To tell you the truth, I rarely provide anything. My wife and I give generously to our church and our local charities.

On a rare occasion, when something in particular moves me, I will provide some food. Sometime in the early fall, I saw a man and 2 children at the top of the exit ramp and something told me they really needed some help. Instead of heading right to work, I went to a Subway, bought some turkey sub meals and returned to the intersection. I just handed the bags to the dad(?), said God bless and moved on.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:42 am

I'll give a little money if I have it (and can spare the change) every once in a while. The city I live in isn't huge, and we don't have a huge number of beggars, but there are some. I also buy a magazine called "Faktum" which is sold by homeless people. They receive a 50% commission, I believe, and it's actually a pretty decent rag.

I've started to notice what appears to be an organised group of young beggars (including children looking to be around 8-10) coming through town and spening time sitting and asking for money on the sidewalk. They come through town every few months and stay for a few days. First time I came across them, it was a small child outside my local grocery wearing a sweater and sweatpants in -10C weather. I called the social services, who came and took the child in, fed him and gave him new clothes. When I called the next day to see what happened, the story I got from the social service the child's "uncle" had collected him, as they were only "passing through", and there was nothing they could do. I've seen the same kid when the group has come through town since.

I won't give anything to them. Seems to be a Fagin-like character, this "uncle" pulling the strings and pocketing the money, who apparently doesn't mind his minions risking freezing to death in order to make them look more pathetic and thus bring in more money.

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Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:35 am

Twice I gave about $5 to woman who said they where homeless and they wanted money for food. I used to give to homeless more often but the question on how they use the money has come into question, alcohol and drug by itinerants is something I have seen from time to time. I have never given money to people on the freeway exits. I do though give to organizations like the Salvation Army but little to anyone else. A lot of these people in Long Beach who solicit and possibly grift ask for money (to help homeless) don't show or disclose the organization they are working for so I don't give to them anymore.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:43 am

I have volunteered at organsiations to help street people, runaways and women trying to escape abusers. In North America and the EU someone begging for money on the street is 95% of the time someone who has decided that begging for money is their occupation. It sounds a rough life to most of us, but by panhandling and selectively using the available social services they eat well enough and are effectively on one long camping trip, or one long vacation from membership in conventional scoiety.

Not that they don't deserve help, but helpless is not the correct term for their situation in most cases.


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Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:09 am

Quoting Pu (Reply 14):
who has decided that begging for money is their occupation.

A long time ago, when I was in high school, I would ride the 'A' train to school. I noticed this one pan-handler I'd seen almost everyday and decided following him would be more interesting than whatever was going to be going on in school.

The guy went from car-to-car and I figure he picked up about $2 a car. During the morning rush, the 'A' train was 10 cars and the guy would work his way through the train in 15-20 mins. He would get off the train walk to the front of the platform. By the time he got to the front, another train would be coming into the station...about 8 mins or so.

So, he worked 2.5 trains an hour for about 3 hours. I suspect that he did the same for the night rush.

So, in 1984'ish, this guy was pulling in about $50/hour for 5 or so hours a day. I'm sure some days were worse than others, but it did seem to be a pretty good gig.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:11 am

Not often, where I now live there are few homeless folk in the street.

A couple of years back at the station entrance I passed through on the way to and from work there was one regular and as I had just come off a longish unemplyed spell and was in an entry level role I rarely had much to spare in any case, he was always ready with a smile and a have a nice day whether you gave or not, so one day I asked if I could get him a coffee or a cool drink and he readily accepted, we had a nice chat and after that every week or so I would stop have a bit of chat and maybe I would get a sandwich or two..

I pass that way every few months and he is sometimes there, I hope others get as much reward from his good humour as I did!
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:20 am

It really depends. In Germany, our social systenm supports anyone without a regular income and that should be enough. However, if a guy looks genuinely in trouble I give.

A problem we have here is beggars who come in from places lke Romania and are held like slaves by their owner, whatever you give them is taken from them to finance the boss' fancy live style. Old women mutate to young women once the shift is over and they are driven in a Benz to their shabby dwellings. It is actually organised crime which should not be supported.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:21 am

In a case like this , I will by anybody a good feed and a drink. I never give money, as 9 times out of 10 it ends up being spent on alcohol. If they don't want the food , so be it but they cant have the $$ equivalent I sometimes get called names from them for this as they need the $$ for grog.

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Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:22 am

Most of the beggars around here are gypsies, I'll never give money to them, especially after I watched one take a dump outside the Storting in Oslo, right beside the public toilet, they are almost subhuman IMO. The stupid Norwegian govt made begging legal a couple of years ago now the country is flooded with Roma, there isn't a clean sidewalk or street corner in Oslo, they piss and shit everywhere, just nasty, nasty excuses for humans. Some cities in Norway have even provided toilet and showering facilities for them, they go unsed. Our local group were kicked out of the motorcamp they were staying in, for nonpayment, they completely trashed the caravans and campsite, they are now living in the hills somewere outside of town.
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:20 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
Most of the beggars around here are gypsies

Around these parts gypsies are usually involved in home improvement scams and other construction related rip offs. A buddy of mine who owns a business gets them stopping in from time to time to "reseal" his parking lot. He got burned by it 30 years ago, when it turned out to be used motor oil.

When I was a teenager in, St. Louis, Missouri, I remember seeing news reports on the local channels about gypsies being spotted in the area and tips on how to spot and avoid their scams.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:21 pm

I think the EU needs to develop a policy on the Roma. They are illegally present in very large numbers now in most EU countries and are a major social and security problem. Avoiding talking about them as a group is just impossibly stupid PC behaviour. They ACT AS A GROUP: a dehumanising organised crime ring built on the abuse of the children and the exploitation of the many for wealth of a few crime bosses. The EU is currently, with its generous policies, providing the perfect 'Petri dish' to ferment their activity and numbers.

The only way to break the cycle of hopelessness for their children and social problems for their 'host' nations is to smash the criminal rings that operate their activities. This will require some tough 'love' action.

PC does not cut it with the Roma problem.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:26 pm

I agree with food donations other than money but what I hate is when these people stand or sit next to ATMs as its very intimidating. The Police should move them on.
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:40 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 20):
Around these parts gypsies are usually involved in home improvement scams and other construction related rip offs.

I think there's a world of difference between gypsies in the US and UK (Irish Travellers) than the human detris Roma gypsie that we get in Norway. Our gypsies wouldn't know a job if it came up and slapped them in the face, they don't understand the concept of cleanleness, they sleep rough, they aren't ashphalt contractors, they probably can't drive. They don't have big fat gypsie weddings like they do in the UK and US

American/UK style gypsy



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Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:23 pm

It's different everywhere, but in this country you get supported by the taxpayer if you can't afford to support yourself for whatever reason. There are additional allowances and programmes designed to get people on their feet, into jobs and off the dole.

I appreciate that the are all sorts of circumstances and stories, and that homeless people have generally lived very difficult lives or are going through difficult periods. But there is a point where they've got to get up and at least try to do more than just sit and wait for others to give money.

I virtually always give the guy standing at the traffic lights washing windows a few dollars. If I have some cash then I'll buy a copy of the Big Issue (which I don't think is in the US yet). But I never give anything to beggars...
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:31 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
Roma gypsie that we get in Norway

I was pretty shocked last time I was in Oslo. Couldn't believe how many there were in the centre.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:16 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
aren't ashphalt contractors

They aren't here either, they just want you to think they are.  
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
Roma Beggar

I have run across them in Europe. If they talk to me I swear at them in German and keep on walking.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:26 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 25):

I was pretty shocked last time I was in Oslo. Couldn't believe how many there were in the centre.

It's like an infestation of roaches, nearly impossible to get rid of, especially when the do gooder politicians legalised begging a few years ago.

like starbucks one on every corner!

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Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 26):
I have run across them in Europe. If they talk to me I swear at them in German and keep on walking.

just ignore them and try to stay away from them. .

It's what i meant when i spoke about organised crime, whatever they collect they have to give to their owner who gives them a crappy place to sleep and trash to eat. .
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:33 pm

I give a sizeable amount to the Salvation Army every year. Conscience salved and you know that the funds will be wisely spent.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 6):
most beggars are Roma (Romanian Gypsies)

Rroma are not necessarily Romanian. There are Rroma throughout Europe.

You can call them whatever you like, and many, if not most, are from Romania, but many Europeans put an equal sign where there shouldn't be one.

Because of these people, however, I will never give money to any beggar in Europe. I'd rather burn it.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
Some cities in Norway have even provided toilet and showering facilities for them, they go unsed.

They don't wash. That's the truth.. Back in Romania and Bulgaria they will not live in a house with a toilet inside, even if given for free. It's "against their culture".

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
Most of the beggars around here are gypsies, I'll never give money to them, especially after I watched one take a dump outside the Storting in Oslo, right beside the public toilet, they are almost subhuman IMO.

I agree.

Here's one of their boss' houses and what you are financing if you're giving them anything:
http://www.neuronu.ro/wp-content/upl...de_tigani_-Buzescu_Teleorman_1.jpg


Furthermore, their whole culture is based on un-traditional work... but, preferably, separating suckers from their money. This guy gives you a crash course: http://kingofromania.com/2010/04/13/hey-hey-were-the-gypsies/

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Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:35 pm

When I give, and that is extremely rare because of all the scams, exploitation, etc. it tends to be old people, specially women and indigenous. Around here, they are the disadvantaged among the disadvantaged.
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:35 am

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 30):
I'd rather burn it.

I agree. In fact, I'd also prefer to flush my money down the toilet.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:38 am

I don't. Instead I work with my church and donate to LCCI which is Limestone County Churches Involved. That money and time and food and everything else that is donated is not wasted.
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:19 am

A woman that I used to work with had a very soft heart, when it came to giving to the homeless, etc. However, she was not careless about doing so and to that end, she came up with an interesting scheme:

Her bugdet for giving was about $50/month, so what she would do is to purchase (10) $5 gift cards for McDonald's or some other fast food joint, and when she was in the mood to give a homeless/hungry man a little help with getting a basic meal, she would give them one or two of the gift cards.

The cards are pre-paid, and the only place that they can be redeemed are at the store on the face of the card, so you cannot buy booze with them (well, I suppose that they could be sold for the face value, but that would take some effort).

I have, on ocassion, given someone in line at the grocery store, some extra change or a few bucks to cover their tab, but as a rule I no longer give cash to people on the street.

The pre-paid gift card idea is not the worst in the world - it gives you (the generous donor), some assurance that it will be spent on something legitimate.

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Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:49 am

My wife and I don't give to street beggars but we do have organizations that we support. John 3:16 gets checks throughout the year and I make what is now an annual run to Sam's to get cases of food for the DAV's Christmas drive.

In terms of handing out money on the streets, I always carry cash during the holidays for the Salvo's Bell Ringers. It would be easier just to put a few large bills in, but I think the folks ringing the bells need a Thank You as well as some folded green going into their bucket.
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:05 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
No, I don't anymore. Give them money, they'll be out looking for their next hit or score instead of actually trying to help themselves. It's pathetic. So, I stopped helping.

Nice attitude. Might I suggest donating to a credible charity? Or the victims of Hurricane Sandy can use your help. How about donating to a Children's Hospital?

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):
Give them a penny, they might take a gun out and rob you of everything.

This, unfortunately happens frequently. The scenario is, a street person will approach your vehicle and ask for money or just randomly start cleaning your windshield and expect to be compensated. And as you pull out your purse or wallet, they'll either grab it and run off or they'll stick a gun in your face. If you want to give money to a street beggar, or someone standing on an off ramp on a freeway, take the money out of your wallet/purse and have it in your hand before you pull up to them or call them over to your vehicle. Time's on your side in this case. And make sure you have a quick escape route, should things go south.
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:32 am

I generally give. I am quite happy to take the risk of enabling bad behaviour on the off chance that I can actually help someone genuinely in need.

Everyone hits rock bottom at some point, be it emotionaly, financially, physically/health, etc. I would like to think that the human spirit as not become so "Darwinian" as to just brush off our obligation to assist other human beings, under the guise of some kind of "survival of the fittest" ethos.

I help a lot of people, and when I need help, I will not be too ashamed to ask for it.
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:22 am

If I give to 100 people, and only 1 of them is "legit," I have done the right thing.
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Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:08 am

I don't give money to beggars. When I am in United States or Canada. We saw plenty of beggars in Mexico. I took the same attitude there as I do with beggars here: they don't need it because they will just use it for booze or drugs or they make enough already. But, Mexico was the only time I had to deal with that income gap. If I had it to do over again, I would give some of those kids 10 pesos or so. But, when I see healthy adults in the United States standing on the side of the freeway off ramp holding a sign, I just roll my eyes. If they can stand for 12 hours a day holding a sign, they can stand for 6 hours a day flipping burgers and contributing to society. And I can guarantee they are not all Vietnam veterans. Especially the 25 year olds.
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RE: Do You Give Money To Beggars? If Not, Other Help?

Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:22 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 39):
Especially the 25 year olds.

No they are the War on Terror and Gulf War(s) vets.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:29 am

I never donate money to homeless people here. Local citizens can get all the help they need. Free healthcare, a place to stay, free food and the list goes on. I already paid for that through my taxes.

The foreign beggars also steal and rob people here, are organized and arrive here in coaches/vans from Eastern Europe. Donating anything to them will only make the problem worse.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:10 pm

Well majority of beggars around here are foreigners who come from somewhere around Eastern Europe so no, I don't support beggar tourism and crime related to it. And then there are very very few Finnish people that would actually need to beg, after all this society does still relatively good job offering all its members good enough healthcare, food and place to stay.
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Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:38 pm

I take it on a case by case basis. Here in Roanoke I rarely encounter instances of begging.

Back in Atlanta was another story. Atlanta, which is FULL of agencies that help the poor with, clothing, food,medicine, housing, rent and free utilities, still has, it would seem, hundred of people begging for cash.

Does that guy still hang-out at the intersection of loop road at the entrance to the DL Jet Base? He may have become a millionaire by now and moved to Gulf Shores.

Anyway, I have no problem helping out when I can. If I end up getting duped----oh well----- I've thrown more money away at disco's over the years than I ever gave to the starving----I'm ashamed to say.

BTW, what's with all the hate-speech over Gypsies? Wow, sounds like a call for ethnic cleansing-----whaaaaat-----from our peace loving and liberal membership? Don't say it's true!  
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Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:28 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 43):
BTW, what's with all the hate-speech over Gypsies? Wow, sounds like a call for ethnic cleansing-----whaaaaat-----from our peace loving and liberal membership? Don't say it's true!

Unfortunately, the fact is that in western Europe there is a serious and very acute problem with regard to Roma gypsies from eastern Europe. They often arrive with nothing, are prolific and very organised beggars who don't think twice aboutusing or exploiting children, and are responsible for a lot of petty crime. I wish it wasn't so, but it's real. In the UK the Police have regularly bemoaned the fact that little can be done to prevent the presence of those who only want to take. It's not 'hate', it's an understandable reaction to the facts.

The problem is that they have long been victimised in their own countries, treated as second-class citizens for generations. Hence, they have not hesitated to transplant themselves en masse and behave in this way. They need help, but in general are doing themselves no favours with the citizens in their new countries by commiting so much crime.

See this, for example:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...ckpockets-in-west-end-7953180.html
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Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:06 pm

In the UK it really isn't necessary to give money to beggars.

They can get food from soup kitchens every night, churches give out food too. No one starves here in the UK as we all can see.

The immigrants get the same protection in benefits as a full-blown Uk tax payer, free hospital access and free education.

A lot of that street begging seems to be people with emotional or psychological problems.
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RE: Do You Give Money To Beggars? If Not, Other Help?

Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:37 pm

Not at all. I stopped giving after I saw a "beggar" get into a BMW or Mercedes (this was several years ago, so some details have faded) and drive away a few hours later.

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Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:14 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 45):
A lot of that street begging seems to be people with emotional or psychological problems.

Maybe, but many might therefore be in bad states and perhaps not particularly capable of planning. They might still need help, even if in principle there is stuff out there for them.
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RE: Do You Give Money To Beggars? If Not, Other Help?

Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 43):
BTW, what's with all the hate-speech over Gypsies? Wow, sounds like a call for ethnic cleansing-----whaaaaat-----from our peace loving and liberal membership? Don't say it's true!

Because they are a blot on the landscape, crime follows them like fleas on an old dog, they aren't worth wasting money on.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 44):
They need help, but in general are doing themselves no favours with the citizens in their new countries by commiting so much crime.

Lots of countries have tried to help but they don't want it and won't accept it, they have a way of life which isn't compatible with the rest of us and they don't want to change, so we are stuck with them.
 
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RE: Do You Give Money To Beggars? If Not, Other Help?

Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:37 pm

I live close to a small city, which is deemed to be not only one of the most affluent in the UK, but also an international tourist destination. The result is that at times down and outs flock to us like flies to poo as they see easy pickings. Do they ever have local accents ? no, Scots, Irish, Geordie, they're all here. Fortunately we have a number of hostels to take them off the streets, otherwise the problem would be intolerable.

On that basis my judgement is that handing them money just draws more in to the area. The other guiding factor is that we also have very low unemployment, the only way that they can't get jobs is due to addictions to drugs or alcohol, and money will just make them worse.

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