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WBC Key Member Megan Phelps-Roper Sees Light

Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:26 am

... leaves the abominably Westboro Baptist Church (or rather "church") and takes her younger sister Grace with here. The remaining Phelps family is fuming.
Actually she already left in November last year, but apparently didn't make it public.

https://medium.com/reporters-notebook/d63ecca43e35
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...stboro-baptist-megan-phelps-leaves

“I don’t feel confident at all in my beliefs about God. That’s definitely scary. But I don’t believe anymore that God hates almost all of mankind. I don’t think that, if you do everything else in your life right and you happen to be gay, you’re automatically going to hell. I don’t believe anymore that WBC has a monopoly on truth.”
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RE: WBC Key Member Megan Phelps-Roper Sees Light

Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:34 am

She does not need to lose faith to be a good Christian. I just hope, before judgement day, the rest of that clan wakes up to the fact that God does not hate. Ever.

But, probably not.
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RE: WBC Key Member Megan Phelps-Roper Sees Light

Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:29 pm

It's good to hear that, and very brave actually to change what you've been thinking all your life by yourself despite what your family (basically her only support network) thinks

Quoting NoUFO (Thread starter):
I don’t think that, if you do everything else in your life right and you happen to be gay, you’re automatically going to hell.

   I don't have any beef with anyone that thinks being gay is a sin but doesn't try to push that belief on others. I disagree with it, but at least no one is affected by that belief. But what I don't get is how a nice, good Christian who so happens to be gay is worse than your run of the mill Christian who probably has had pre marital sex all the time and maybe affairs in the marriage when he/she finally gets there... so be it if you think being gay is a sin but how is it so much worse than anything else that doesn't get attention?

You'd think people working on Sunday would be worse than a gay person that doesn't work on Sunday, for the former is breaking an actual commandment. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
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RE: WBC Key Member Megan Phelps-Roper Sees Light

Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:51 am

Just wanted to stress that the quote above ("I don’t feel confident at all in my beliefs about God. That’s definitely scary ...") is what Mrs Phelps-Ropers said. Not sure why the quote-tag didn't work. Personally I am still an agnostic, which isn't something that scares me at all.

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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 2):
You'd think people working on Sunday would be worse than a gay person that doesn't work on Sunday, for the former is breaking an actual commandment. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Yes, imagine a pastor telling his congregation that you'll go straight to hell if working on Sunday - best during the Sunday mass. People understand that at least some will have to work on Sunday. It appears rational to them (which is true) whereas being gay appears unnatural to them (which is not true). People can't despise police, doctors et. al. but some think they can safely despise gay people because that kind of harassment can't fall back on them.

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Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:33 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 2):
You'd think people working on Sunday would be worse than a gay person that doesn't work on Sunday, for the former is breaking an actual commandment. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

I have done research into the three major branches of my sect. Very interesting. One sect believes that showing dominion and power over serpents is holy because one verse in the Bible talks about dominion over serpents. One sect believes anyone convulsing on the floor of the Church is overcome with the spirit of the Lord. I will not say that any sect is better than any other but, I do know this for a fact:

GOD DOES NOT HATE!!

If He did, tornados would constantly rip through West Hollywood and Castro instead of Alabama and Kansas.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:38 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
GOD DOES NOT HATE!!

   Agreed
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:36 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
GOD DOES NOT HATE!!

That's a nice thing to think/believe there. But the problem with that logic is that it's every bit as presumptuous as saying god does hate fags. We can't really know what god's thinking about, and I agree that that makes it irrational to say that god hates homosexuals. Unfortunately, it applies all the way around.


My beef with folks like westboro isn't that they believe that about god. It's that they accept that. If it were made unquestionably clear to me* that god does indeed hate gays, or anyone because of what they are or how they were born, then the only acceptable response is to hate god right back. Such a god that would ask us to think and act in such way sure as hell isn't worthy of worship or anything but contempt for that matter. I wouldn't wish to spend eternity with the kind of monster that would create something so it can hate it... Just sayin...



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RE: WBC Key Member Megan Phelps-Roper Sees Light

Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:56 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
GOD DOES NOT HATE!!

If He did, tornados would constantly rip through West Hollywood and Castro instead of Alabama and Kansas.

He clearly hates trailer parks!
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RE: WBC Key Member Megan Phelps-Roper Sees Light

Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:00 am

This doesn't surprise me. After having watched the BBC special a couple years ago, as well as the Tyra Banks interview, Megan didn't seem to fit in with the rest. Whenever discussing non-religious topics, such as her hobbies, you could see her entire demeanor change and she would be quite happy and engaged. It's refreshing to see that she was able to break free from that hateful upbringing and do the right thing.

Although I think this is a great story of someone finally "seeing the light", I hold little hope for the rest of them (around 80 or so I believe?). Just seeing the way they indoctrinate those children with hate from the time they're able to speak; they don't even really have a chance.  
Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
If He did, tornados would constantly rip through West Hollywood and Castro instead of Alabama and Kansas.

I'm not questioning your belief or love for god, but that argument doesn't holds water. It's like saying "God does not hate because 900 million people in the world suffer from malnutrition instead of all the atheists." You can't justify god's love by saying that 'unfortunate event X' happens instead of 'unfortunate event Y' and that is proof he doesn't hate. Especially when we can scientifically prove why 'unfortunate event X' happens and 'unfortunate event Y' doesn't.
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RE: WBC Key Member Megan Phelps-Roper Sees Light

Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:08 am

I feel really sorry for these folks and my heart goes out to them. It must really suck to:
- A) be related to these Neanderthals and grow up within an environment of such hate.
- B) be disowned by one's family (albeit a crazy one) just for being a moderate.

I hope that lots more of the younger WBC members defect also, although doing so must be hugely difficult for them.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
GOD DOES NOT HATE!!

   That's what I teach the Youth Group that I run. The quote 'there is nothing you can do to cause God to love you any more than He already does and there is nothing that will cause God to love you any less' comes to mind.
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