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Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:12 pm

Steven Seagal will be leading an all-day training exercise for volunteers in Arizona, the training which will be demonstrating ways to respond during a school shooting.

Does anyone find anything wrong with this? I don't have a problem with this, he is a real-life reserve deputy sheriff and a martial art expert but I have seen online that some people think this is a bad idea.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywo.../seagal-arpaio-school-gun-training
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:32 am

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Does anyone find anything wrong with this?

I'm sure they will but that is just the name of the game...
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:57 am

I see nothing wrong with this. These skills will come in handy if you are under siege.
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:16 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
These skills will come in handy if you are under siege.
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:01 am

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
I have seen online that some people think this is a bad idea.

Does that really surprise you ? You're going to find people "on line" that think EVERYTHING is a bad idea.

Personally, I think it's damned good idea.

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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:05 am

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Steven Seagal will be leading an all-day training exercise for volunteers in Arizona, the training which will be demonstrating ways to respond during a school shooting.

PR stunt

He's probably going to have a book stand there flogging his wares after the course is over  
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:32 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):

Well played, sir.
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:09 pm

Who wants to live in such a world? Where mass shootings in schools are so common that it's a good idea to train kids what to do for when an armed madman comes for them. Awful awful awful.
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:50 pm

He the Patriot, that is out for justice and wants to make sure his guys, are hard to kill, should they find themselves marked for death on deadly ground or as Superfly stated, "under siege" from somebody that thinks they are above the law and is out for a kill. This was an executive decision by the Sheriff to make the Glimmer man, teach his deputies, although he is the foreigner to Arizona, but there are too many exit wounds. and he does not want to become a dead man walking in a dark territory, since according to him, there is a fire down bellow the border, in Mexico. This is True justice, from a Sheriff with a bad ticker, that lives in the belly of the beast, just saying  
 
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:30 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Who wants to live in such a world? Where mass shootings in schools are so common that it's a good idea to train kids what to do for when an armed madman comes for them. Awful awful awful.

Well they are common, and no matter what actions taken right now, they can potentially continue. What's wrong with this? It's not the only solution, just a solution for the time being
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:52 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Who wants to live in such a world?



Me.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Where mass shootings in schools are so common that it's a good idea to train kids what to do for when an armed madman comes for them. Awful awful awful.



Who wants to live in such a world were people are only allowed to call 911 and wait while they're being gunned down by a vicious murderer?
Honestly I wish we could all live in a world where everyone was good but that world does not exist. I prefer to living in a society were I am allowed to defend myself.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):
PR stunt



No actor has EVER done such a thing....  
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:26 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Me.

Then go live there !

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Who wants to live in such a world were people are only allowed to call 911 and wait while they're being gunned down by a vicious murderer?

Emergency services work well in plenty of other civilized countries, sham America is different !

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Honestly I wish we could all live in a world where everyone was good but that world does not exist. I prefer to living in a society were I am allowed to defend myself.

Man, you really need to see more of the world. It exists !

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
No actor has EVER done such a thing....

Cheap shot, and at others expense... pretty sick really !
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:28 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Who wants to live in such a world were people are only allowed to call 911 and wait while they're being gunned down by a vicious murderer?

Good luck with the Anders Behring Breiviks of the world. They have all the time to prepare, train and scout the area before they hit.

At the Columbine High School, two campus officers where there, but they were outgunned and had to seek cover.

Waiting for a SWAT team is the best you can do in these cases. Training and arming people to be on par with a Mr. Breivik is prohibitively expensive. We already see in civil aviation how much that post-9/11 security is costing the passengers and the taxpayers, and I'm sorry to say that Al-Qaida has won that economical war.

The shooting of Charles Whitman in 1966 has demonstrated the need for SWAT teams. Although civilians proficient with guns helped greatly with limiting the damage he has done, we better do not count on good luck.


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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:36 am

Whatever, I bet in the end in such a situation this kind of training has 0 effect to the outcome.

Also those messed up people who do things like this will always find a way. What about explosives? Guns are totally useless if somebody creates a home made bomb (which I believe aren't that hard to create from pretty easily available chemical stuff) and explodes it in a school class for example. No time to react and probably very effective too.

Nah, United States should really start fixing its mental health services and other social problems to make these horrible events happen less.

"I wish we could all live in a world where everyone was good but that world does not exist"

I bet with proper social policies amount of "bad" people in the US would reduce very much.

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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:12 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 13):
What about explosives?

SWAT teams would expect explosives, while the average firearm aficionado and schoolyard cop does not.

Bombing a school would be a slaughter (e.g. Bath School Disaster, 1927) and nobody can protect the kids in such a case, but you can still save the lives of the first responders.


Of course, every sane policy is based on what one can reasonably do, and there is:
a) improving SWAT police units, or creating smaller SWAT units so they can be more flexible and based in smaller towns
b) improving mental health (both prevention and treatment)
c) a ban on firearms which purpose is killing as many people as possible (e.g. Tec-9 guns with large magazines)
d) a change in the mindset. Somehow, Canadians manage to shoot up much less people in malls, schools and universities.


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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:05 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Who wants to live in such a world were people are only allowed to call 911 and wait while they're being gunned down by a vicious murderer?
Honestly I wish we could all live in a world where everyone was good but that world does not exist. I prefer to living in a society were I am allowed to defend myself.

Seconded.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 14):
a change in the mindset. Somehow, Canadians manage to shoot up much less people in malls, schools and universities.

So, you're saying things don't happen there? Or that the mindset is different because of some identifiable trait or feature?
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:38 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
Then go live there !


I already do.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
Man, you really need to see more of the world. It exists !


I guess so. I've only been to 42 countries...

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
Emergency services work well in plenty of other civilized countries


They don't seem to be working so well with home invasions, rape, stabbings, muggings and other similar crimes that happen in other "civilized" countries.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
Cheap shot, and at others expense... pretty sick really !


Calm down. What has you so upset?

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 12):
Good luck with the Anders Behring Breiviks of the world. They have all the time to prepare, train and scout the area before they hit.


...and all attacked 'gun free zones'.
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:09 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 13):
Whatever, I bet in the end in such a situation this kind of training has 0 effect to the outcome.

Also those messed up people who do things like this will always find a way.

No one is talking about ending this violence this way, it is about reducing deaths. I don't know what the training involves, but I'm sure it has some tips on how to hide/secure yourself if a shooter does show up... there is a few lives saved right there.

I doubt it will have 0 effect and no one is claiming the effect will be 0 deaths
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
...and all attacked 'gun free zones'.

Which does not matter. The average firearm owner can't do anything against a trained shooter like Charles Whitman or Anders Breivik. If nobody has a gun ready if a shooter begins shooting, surviving is 80 or 90% luck. If some people have concealed guns, surviving is still not guaranteed by a large margin.


I just recommend a good read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21379912


Excerpt:

Prof Killias cannot hide his anger with those in America who use Switzerland to illustrate their argument that more gun ownership would deter or stop violence.

"We don't have a gun culture!" he snaps, waving his hand dismissively.

[...]

"We have guns at home, but they are kept for peaceful purposes. There is no point taking the gun out of your home in Switzerland because it is illegal to carry a gun in the street. To shoot someone who just looks at you in a funny way - this is not Swiss culture!"

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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:35 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
I already do.

Then begging your pardon, I understood you live/reside in Thailand with some very attractive women.   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
I guess so. I've only been to 42 countries...

Then Im surprised you say what you say

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
They don't seem to be working so well with home invasions, rape, stabbings, muggings and other similar crimes that happen in other "civilized" countries.

Nothing and nowhere in life is perfect, you can be stung by a bee out in the garden and die. Generally speaking though, other society's manage very well without massive gun ownership, compared to what happens in the States, wouldn't you agree ?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
...and all attacked 'gun free zones'.

Not sure if this latest shooting was in a "gun free zone" or not ?
But 3 more dead in court house killing, and 2 officers wounded.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/three-de...house-shooting-20130212-2e9ci.html

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 18):
this is not Swiss culture

Quite right, its not thank God.
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:25 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 18):


I have a better read, an actual study from Harvard.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...pp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
 
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 4):
Does that really surprise you ? You're going to find people "on line" that think EVERYTHING is a bad idea.

This. No matter what, people online will disagree with things. Always. It's more or less a rule of the internet.
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:46 am

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 18):
The average firearm owner can't do anything against a trained shooter like Charles Whitman or Anders Breivik.


That is why it's best to learn how to shoot and defend yourself. That is what Steven Seagal is doing. Training people.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 18):
surviving is 80 or 90% luck.


That is without a gun.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 19):
Then begging your pardon, I understood you live/reside in Thailand with some very attractive women.


Yes I do but I will always be an American. By the way, guns are very easy to buy here in Thailand. I know several places here in Bangkok that sell them and they are sold on the open market. The only requirement is ca$h.
No background check, no fingerprints, no waiting period, just cold hard ca$h is all that is required. Many locals that I know own guns & rifles. Heck I even saw a gun advertisement in a in-flight magazine on Nok Air.
Everyone I know living up country out in the woods and the jungles own guns - both locals and expats.
Now if you really want to 'off' somebody, you can just pay a poor guy 10,000 baht ($300 USD) to 'off' someone for you. (Yep, that is the starting price for someone's head)
No gun needed at all on your part.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 19):
Then Im surprised you say what you say



You shouldn't be. I go beyond the tourist areas of places I visit and I don't waste my time hanging around left-wing Eurosnobs & backpackers that love to bitch about America when I travel abroad.
I've even been to the Middle-East where they cling to guns & religion more than the Tea Party people in the United States...

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 19):
Nothing and nowhere in life is perfect,


Glad you're coming around and realizing that.  
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 19):
Generally speaking though, other society's manage very well without massive gun ownership, compared to what happens in the States, wouldn't you agree ?


No I do not agree and crime in your country has shot up once your law abiding citizens handed in their guns to your government.
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:41 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
and crime in your country has shot up once your law abiding citizens handed in their guns to your government.

Sorry to disappoint you Superfly, but it has gone down, NOT up as you like to claim  http://world.time.com/2012/12/17/whe...essons-from-the-u-k-and-australia/

And

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...gun-control-laws/story?id=18007055

And

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...nd-changed-gun-laws-after-shooting
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:46 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 23):
Sorry to disappoint you Superfly, but it has gone down, NOT up as you like to claim

Not a disappointment at all. Crime in your country has gone up since the gun ban.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847
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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:14 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 24):
Not a disappointment at all. Crime in your country has gone up since the gun ban.

We are talking of "gun" related crime, eg shootings, killings,But feel free to manipulate it which ever you want  

Living in a "peaceful" country as I do, I can appreciate it.... pity you cant !@  

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RE: Steven Seagal To Lead School Arms-training Event

Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:42 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 25):
We are talking of "gun" related crime, eg shootings, killings,But feel free to manipulate it which ever you want



Cute, but guns cut down on non-gun related crimes as well which includes rape, assault, robbery and even murder.
Australia is a great country and all but it is far from "peaceful" as you describe.
Sorry to burst your bubble...
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