|Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):|
This car, which will be available in both the United States and Canada, uses a 148-horsepower turbocharged 2.0-liter diesel 4-cylinder engine and a 6-speed automatic transmission. The company is projecting 42 mpg on the highway (the same EPA rating as the current TDI Jetta) and GM claims that the car will offer best-in-class driving range.
First; If GM
is "predicting" 42 MPG, you can be very certain you will never see anything like 46 MPG. much less in the 50s.
|Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):|
Cruze will be the first diesel car offered by General Motors since Chevy sold a diesel version of the Chevette in 1986. The diesel Cruze is expected to be available for purchase in American Chevy dealerships by late spring 2013.
The engine GM
put in what few diesel Chevettes they built, wasn't built by GM
; it was made by one of the Japanese companies, and was a very good small diesel; To my knowledge, the diesel they plan to use in the Cruze is GM
built; which means that it will be "dogey" at best, and sh***y at worst. (which seldom, if ever. produces substantial sales)
Which is the first of about 10 reasons people will never buy it in sufficient numbers to break even, let alone make a buck on the thing.
|Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):|
My personal preference is natural gas (switchable to petrol). Ive seen that for years in taxis in Sydney & Melbourne. Worked well in the full sized cars, would help car makers meet emission standards and can be less expensive. We also have a huge supply in the ground.
Most of that is true; however, you're talking about Australia; this is the U.S.; there's a HUGE difference between "what works" in a "fleet" (busses and cabs), and the general car market; cars MUST be built for the "people" who are going to be driving them; If you were watching the recent thread about "who drives standard shift" here, you will have noted that, anyone under about 30 or 35 yrs old, is greatly "challenged" to be able to tie their own shoes, much less to be able to "cope" with standard transmissions, NG
or LPG fuel systems, PLUS, it would cost "somebody" about ten trillion bucks to build all the infrastructure to "fuel up" your NG
(or LPG) daily driver. (I'm sure "some one" could figure out a way to make the "rich 1 %" PAY for the whole thing though.) My best guess is, within the next five years, there will be NO MORE shoe strings in shoes. (for the same reason) (velcro is just soooooo much "simpler" !)
|Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):|
Right now diesel fuel costs more; three months from now it may very well cost less.
You are right about "costing more", but the difference is greater than 15 to 20% more. also.......almost NO possibility of diesel getting down to gas prices, because No. 1, it's controlled by a much different "market", and 2. it costs refiners substantially MORE to produce, (thanks to your "Gubmint" (EPA)
|Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):|
Yes, gas engines are still more complicated, but diesel engines have gotten more complicated and all engines are built better.
Quote; gas engines are still more complicated Quote=BMI727 That statement tells me that you have never taken a diesel engine OR
injection system apart, and put it back together again; diesels always have, always will....cost much more to build than a comparable gas engine. For MANY reasons; yes, diesels HAVE gotten more "complicated", but most of the added "complication" is in the fuel system, rather than in the "lower end"; the lower end, (block, crank, connecting rods, pistons, cam shaft , etc aren't so much "more complicated", as they are "built to much higher tolerances", simple because they MUST BE
, due mainly to the fact that ALL
diesel engines are dependent on "compression ignition", rather than "spark ignition" as is the case in ALL
gasoline engines. When you add all of that extra cost up, THEN add on another $.50 to a dollar a gal. for fuel, you have just built a car that the American car buying public are going to "walk on by", on their way to the nearest Toyota Dealer. (Mark this down and remind me I was right in a year from now!)
If you ever have, you were doing a very unwise thing, cost wise.
In a nut shell, there are many reasons why GM
got into the hole they were in , and are still in; the main one being, their basic philosophy on "marketing"; GM
's "philosophy" is: "We'll figure out what WE
think the public "needs", then we'll be the 800 pound gorilla, and MAKE them buy it, (whether they like it or not); that "philosophy" used to work; (but that was BEFORE Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru, and about 9 more Asian car makers came along; (it DOESN"T "work" anymore !)
buys about 6 oil refineries and starts selling diesel fuel 15 cents less than gasoline, the diesel "car"market will remain right where it is right now; in 2500 and 3500 series P/U trucks. Period.
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein