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Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:02 pm

Dictionary.com says:

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neu·ro·sis

1. Also called psychoneurosis. a functional disorder in which feelings of anxiety, obsessional thoughts, compulsive acts, and physical complaints without objective evidence of disease, in various degrees and patterns, dominate the personality.
2. a relatively mild personality disorder typified by excessive anxiety or indecision and a degree of social or interpersonal maladjustment.

I'm trying to decide if some of my neighbors suffer from (1) or (2) above with regard to snow removal.

One was out last night around 2 hours into our predicted 28 hours of snow fall shoveling the first inch or so of what is now around 24 inches and still increasing. Others were out taking various swipes at it as it was falling like crazy.

Another is out now while it's still falling and the wind is still howling, whilst the prediction is that it will all end in another 2-3 hours or so and the winds will drop down significantly.

None of my neighbors have young children or safety critical jobs - most of them are retired!

The one next door that does have a young child is also waiting it out like I am.

So, why are these folks so compulsive about snow removal?

While I'm on the topic, why do retired folks go food shopping on weekends? I can't understand why they'd be crowding into the stores when they can go on a weekday just as easily...
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:27 pm

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
first inch or so of what is now around 24 inches and still increasing. Others were out taking various swipes at it as it was falling like crazy.

I don't know about shoveling 1 inch 24 times, but it's easier for someone (especially one with a weak back) to shovel 4 inches of snow 6 times than than 24 inches of snow all at once, especially if it gets iced over.

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
None of my neighbors have young children or safety critical jobs - most of them are retired!

Who cares? This doesn't really make a difference.

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
The one next door that does have a young child is also waiting it out like I am.

They should make the kid do the shoveling! Kids love shoveling, or at least I did when I was a kid.

Also consider that their wives may be inside ordering them to shovel, or driving them crazy such that going out to shovel the walk is their most obvious escape. [Edited to add] They could also be bored to the point that shoveling is fun.

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
While I'm on the topic, why do retired folks go food shopping on weekends? I can't understand why they'd be crowding into the stores when they can go on a weekday just as easily...

Maybe there are better samples/product demonstrations on weekends. Also, because they are conducting other business on weekdays. Also out of habit.

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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:28 pm

1) sometimes it is much easier to shovel a small amount of snow than a large amount of snow. When i shovel snow(often) i find it a lot more difficult to shovel a foot vs. a couple inches.

2)maybe they are like me and go shopping when they need stuff. if that ends up on a weekday, fine, if it ends up on a weekend fine.
 
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:34 pm

My landlords shovel four or five times per day. I do it once in the morning when I leave for work, and that's it.

When I get home, everything will be meticulously cleaned of snow.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:40 pm

I will routinely shovel a couple of times during an extended snow fall. It makes the job lighter. I won't do the entire thing, but certainly take care of routine access (driveway and walk path).

I look forward to passing this task, among others, to my son.
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:45 pm

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
So, why are these folks so compulsive about snow removal?

Are any of them equally neurotic/compulsive about lawn care in general during the warmer months?

Quoting Loubert (Reply 1):
I don't know about shoveling 1 inch 24 times, but it's easier for someone (especially one with a weak back) to shovel 4 inches of snow 6 times than than 24 inches of snow all at once, especially if it gets iced over.

^ Most logical answer, and what I'd be doing in a similar situation.

Quoting Loubert (Reply 1):
Also consider that their wives may be inside ordering them to shovel, or driving them crazy such that going out to shovel the walk is their most obvious escape. [Edited to add] They could also be bored to the point that shoveling is fun.

^ Most likely the real reason(s) for several of your neighbors being neurotic (hag-ridden?) about snow removal.  
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:35 pm

Thanks all for expanding the set of possible reasons!

Quoting Loubert (Reply 1):

I don't know about shoveling 1 inch 24 times, but it's easier for someone (especially one with a weak back) to shovel 4 inches of snow 6 times than than 24 inches of snow all at once, especially if it gets iced over.

I see that point, but we're talking about a blizzard here.

Quoting Loubert (Reply 1):
They should make the kid do the shoveling!

The kid I'm talking about is a 2 year old, so that's out.

I hated shoveling. I spend my first substantial pay check on buying a snow blower for my mom's house.

Quoting Loubert (Reply 1):
Also consider that their wives may be inside ordering them to shovel, or driving them crazy such that going out to shovel the walk is their most obvious escape.

I feel sorry for anyone in that situation. I solved it a while ago. As the old joke goes, divorce is costly because it's worth it!

Quoting Loubert (Reply 1):
Maybe there are better samples/product demonstrations on weekends. Also, because they are conducting other business on weekdays.

Not likely, from what I can tell.

Quoting Loubert (Reply 1):
Also out of habit.

Very likely. It's a habit I wish they'd break.

Quoting scrubbsywg (Reply 2):
2)maybe they are like me and go shopping when they need stuff. if that ends up on a weekday, fine, if it ends up on a weekend fine.

I'd think it's not fine if the task ends up taking a lot longer and involves a lot more hassle and could be avoided with a bit of foresight, but hey, that's just me.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 3):
My landlords shovel four or five times per day. I do it once in the morning when I leave for work, and that's it.

When I get home, everything will be meticulously cleaned of snow.

Sounds nice.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
I look forward to passing this task, among others, to my son.

Also quite nice.

Quoting TSS (Reply 5):
Are any of them equally neurotic/compulsive about lawn care in general during the warmer months?

In fact, one or two are. Another probably falls into the "I want out of the house even if it means shoveling in a blizzard" category.
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:41 pm

I think some retired people do this also because it gives them something to do. I know of a few retired folk that never do their grocery shopping all at once. Why? Because going multiple times over a period of a week gets them out of the house and gives them something to do.
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:46 pm

Here nobody shovels so I can't answer that part, but old people go shoppings on week-ends because they like seeing young people.
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:18 pm

I have a brother who is compulsive about snow removal. I am not. I get to it in stages. Stage 1. What is critical. Stage 2. What I can leave there safely to melt on its own. I am retired, we shop when it is convenient. I really avoid weekends.
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:40 am

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
So, why are these folks so compulsive about snow removal?

Some people just like it.


I love snow removal! I have two snowblowers. Both of which are overkill for my driveway, but I love engine powered machines. I also have a plow for my garden tractor. I usually remove the snow from the neighbor's driveways too.

Quoting TSS (Reply 5):
Are any of them equally neurotic/compulsive about lawn care in general during the warmer months?

I love cutting the grass too. I love vintage yard and garden equipment as much as I love beer, cars and airplanes.
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:53 am

I'd much rather shovel 4 inches a few times than 2 feet at once. Easier on the back, plus you don't have to stay outside for as long at a stretch.

Also, even though we had a snow-blower, it wouldn't handle more than about 8 inches at once - less if it was wet snow.
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:21 am

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
So, why are these folks so compulsive about snow removal?

One other thing occurred to me: I've heard some cities where snow is a common event have ordinances that require residents to have their sidewalks/walkways/driveways clear of snow so that emergency services can get to the home with minimal effort in case of a problem. Is your area covered by such an ordinance?
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:43 am

It's much easier to shovel 4 inches at a time, a few times, than it is to shovel two feet. Additionally, we go out and shovel every time the city's plow truck comes through so that we can get rid of what it deposits in front of the driveway so we don't have to deal with a mound of heavy, packed, frozen plow remains when the storm is done.

There are many, many, many deaths due to heart attack after digging out of a storm like this. It is very important that people, especially those who are older, expend as little effort as possible when shoveling, so doing it more often (since you said they're retired) is probably a very good idea.

Why does it bother you so much? So what if they're outside? I really don't understand how it can be a concern to you. And if it really is, go over and let them know that if they'd prefer not to expend the effort, you'll go over and snow-blow their driveways for them.

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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 13):
It's much easier to shovel 4 inches at a time, a few times, than it is to shovel two feet.

As above, I am learning more about what people do and why they do it via this thread.

Really, there are only two neighbors that are shoveling, all the rest are using snow throwers.

One that shovels is a young new homeowner and I presume he does it because he has a very much shorter walk and drive than we do, and the walk has steps so a snow thrower wouldn't be of much use.

Another is the neighbor with a young child and I've offered him the use of my snow thrower yet he's not taken me up on it. He says he likes the workout.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 13):
Why does it bother you so much?

A lack of understanding as well as a big dose of cabin fever on my part, it seems.

I'm feeling much better today, now that the drive is clear and the sun is shining!
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:15 pm

I live on Boston's South Shore and we elected to remove snow late Friday afternoon even though only an inch and a half had accumulated by that point.

The reason why?

Because the first snow was very wet and it became a melty mush as soon as it hit. We knew that even though all of our effort would be overwhelmed by the blizzard to come it was in our best interest to not have this mushy first layer turn into ice once the big storm arrived and the temps got much colder.

We were rewarded. Even though yesterday was an arduous effort in removing 6 foot snow drifts from our driveway, we managed to hit concrete and asphalt without any ice accumulation.

So call it neurotic if you want, but we saved ourselves a ton of effort and may have prevented a few slip and falls.
 
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:47 pm

As bad it was it doesn't nearly compare with the Blizzard of '77 in Buffalo....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_of_1977

This year also marks the 20 year anniversary of the Superstorm of 1993. That was much worse still...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Storm_of_the_Century

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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:48 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 7):
I think some retired people do this also because it gives them something to do.

Oh come on. The answer to this is easy. Old people go out and shovel snow because they finally get to enjoy the snow. Remember, when they were kids, they had to walk a mile, to and from school, in the snow, uphill both ways, and with no snow boots on, just worn out shoes that stayed wet all day in the one room school house with no heat.
  

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Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:37 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 17):
Oh come on. The answer to this is easy. Old people go out and shovel snow because they finally get to enjoy the snow. Remember, when they were kids, they had to walk a mile, to and from school, in the snow, uphill both ways, and with no snow boots on, just worn out shoes that stayed wet all day in the one room school house with no heat.


Let me think about this. I walked a quarter mile to school until the 5th grade. I then was bused until the 11th grade. I walked to school all during my senior year. I lived 4 streets over from the school. I graduated in the 50's. I obviously had a ton of time to enjoy the snow, which I always have. It is the removal of snow that I do not enjoy all that much. We did not have a one room schoolhouse, although some were of wooden construction, coal heat. Most were at least built in this century. 1920's and 1930's. Most of them are gone, or turned into senior centers. My high school was brandy new that year. I was colder at home, than I ever was in school.
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:33 pm

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
While I'm on the topic, why do retired folks go food shopping on weekends...



Similar question: Why do retired folks move their lawns on weekends?
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
While I'm on the topic, why do retired folks go food shopping on weekends? I can't understand why they'd be crowding into the stores when they can go on a weekday just as easily...


I have noticed that you can go to Costco on a Saturday or Sunday hungry and pretty much leave with a full stomach from all the free samples. Maybe the older retired people save money by eating all the free samples on weekends that are not there on weekdays.

As for the snow, I grew up in Pennsylvania and retired from the Navy in San Diego where I will never have to shovel snow again. Do not miss that aspect of winter at all!!

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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:59 pm

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 20):
I have noticed that you can go to Costco on a Saturday or Sunday hungry and pretty much leave with a full stomach from all the free samples.


Ha. My boy won't eat anything but chicken nuggets and pasta. But, if a stranger gives him food on a stick, he bolts it down like it was mana from Heaven.
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RE: Snow Removal Neurosis?

Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:17 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 19):
Similar question: Why do retired folks move their lawns on weekends?

Have you ever tried moving your lawn during the week? Delivery people, mail men, kids going to school all use it. On the weekend, you can can move it free of distractions.  

But seriously, I love shoveling and for some it is easier to remove snow in smaller manageable passes than all at once. Anyway, strike up a conversation and just ask.   
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