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N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:13 am

I say possibly, as it hasn't been confirmed:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...-north-korea-nuclear-test/1911587/

Earthquake, same magnitude as the previous tests, detected near N. Korea nuke site.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000f5t0#summary

Depth of 1 Kilometer underground---excessively shallow for it to be a normal earthquake for this region.
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N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:17 am

It was coming.

Was it yesterday evening or today that they said they were "Continuing with their tests for their program?."
 
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N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:19 am

North Korea is not prone to seismic activity. It conducted nuclear tests in 2006 and 2009, and both times other nations detected the vibration of these nuclear tests. I think we have a bonafide nuke test taking place. BBC News also reporting the test as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21421841
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N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:32 am

the sanctions wont do anything at this point im afraid  .
 
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N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:45 am

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 3):
the sanctions wont do anything at this point im afraid .

They very rarely ever do, except to add more obstacles and hardship, to an already oppressed people.
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N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:05 am

It is now all over the news. Great, and I still need to do some more work ...

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 3):
the sanctions wont do anything at this point im afraid

China could let NK go bankrupt within months. But they won't.
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N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:11 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 4):

They very rarely ever do, except to add more obstacles and hardship, to an already oppressed people.

the sanctions are supposed to be against the nuclear material, not against civillian items, right?
 
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N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:40 am

Sanctions are almost always useless. They haven't worked even against countries like Cuba, Iran and such where civilians still do have pretty good amount of freedoms left compared to North Korea, so how would one expect them to work against a country with a government that couldn't less care about its people and keeps them so badly under control that most of them probably don't even think about rising against the government and with all the control that would be near impossible to do successfully anyway.

Now of course if China stopped supporting North Korea that would be different thing indeed.
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N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:52 am

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 3):
the sanctions wont do anything at this point im afraid .
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 4):
They very rarely ever do, except to add more obstacles and hardship, to an already oppressed people.

Well with China being the lifeblood of N. Korea....

Quoting pvjin (Reply 7):
Now of course if China stopped supporting North Korea that would be different thing indeed.

   for once, I agree with you......And with China slowly....ever so slowly.....getting peeved with the activities of the younger Kim.... I find that these days of support may be slowing to an end.....

Some more news articles:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/world/...rea-seismic-disturbance/index.html

South Korea confirming it was indeed a nuke test:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...-korea-north-idUSBRE91B04820130212


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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:58 am

Another desperate cry for attention.

I guess little Kim needs more money for the Party. Maybe he needs a new fleet of Luxury cars? More cake?
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:19 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 9):
I guess little Kim needs more money for the Party. Maybe he needs a new fleet of Luxury cars? More cake?

I think he wants another magical flying Octopus:




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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:29 pm

Someone needs to nip this crap in the bud, and by someone, that would have to be China I guess. Not going to happen though. It will end in tears one way or another.
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:39 am

I don't think anyone should be worrying about whether or not NK can launch a missile to target a city but whether or not they are capable of launching an EMP attack with their missiles? Doubtful but that can cause a lot more disruption and chaos in this day and age!
 
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:13 am

Jeez, here comes the UN with their word for word rhetoric.
However I would wager a heavier bet on China to intervene on this matter. Definitely not a good sign that they send up a satellite a few weeks back and now detonate this.
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:44 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 7):
Now of course if China stopped supporting North Korea that would be different thing indeed.

Well, their attitude has changed a bit.

Now that China, Russia and USA have judged this test we may see some action in the near future.

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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 7):
Now of course if China stopped supporting North Korea

They're not, they were being circumspect about the situation and protecting their own interests.

Their stance might change a bit. No one likes to have a brain-deficient paranoid neighbor with powerful nukes, even if he is not your proclaimed enemy.
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:18 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 9):
I guess little Kim needs more money for the Party

Which is why I believe the time has come for the U.S. to cut-off the "allowance" to little Kim. None of the money goes to the people anyway.
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:10 pm

For the life of me I can't understand China's determination to build up North Korea's nuclear weapons program (or allow it to happen) or Russia's similar role in Iran. Pakistan already went rogue enough proliferating nuclear weapons know how in the 80's and 90's and these two countries spreading the knowledge further is putting us all in very grave danger.

Can anyone explain the strategic advantage or national interest either Russia or China gains by their actions? I'm at a complete loss. The first case may finally lead to all out war in the Middle East and the second inevitably leads to Japan building and deploying 100 long range nukes within 18 months. Putin is obviously unhinged but China surprises me.
 
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:45 am

For anyone wondering about why North Korea acts the way they do, set some time aside and watch this video:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/292562-1

It goes a long way to filling in the blanks; at least, it did in my case. I'm not saying his theories are totally correct, but he makes a very convincing argument as to why they act the way they do.
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:47 am

Quoting wingman (Reply 17):
The first case may finally lead to all out war in the Middle East and the second inevitably leads to Japan building and deploying 100 long range nukes within 18 months.

China would never allow this. Nor will any other country.
 
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:01 pm

The biggest question I have is when China will act/ if they do. Since they are one of the only countries who gives anything to North Korea I think whatever happens when talking about NK is directly related to what China will do.
 
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RE: N. Korea Conducts Nuke Test

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:47 am

Quoting wingman (Reply 17):
Can anyone explain the strategic advantage or national interest either Russia or China gains by their actions? I'm at a complete loss. The first case may finally lead to all out war in the Middle East and the second inevitably leads to Japan building and deploying 100 long range nukes within 18 months. Putin is obviously unhinged but China surprises me.

The Chinese clearly *don't* want the North Korean's to have nukes, although the regime is astonishingly resistant to outside influence even from its few friends. They also don't want the DPRK to collapse, as that would lead to millions of refugees crossing the Yalu, not to mention a very large military organization with no real controls to stir up trouble. Nor do they want a South Korean and American presence right on their border. That the DPRK antagonizes the South Koreans and (especially) the U.S. is a nice bonus, but not really a major policy driver.

The Chinese *could* do major harm to the NK regime, but even if that didn't lead to collapse, it would strip China of what influence it has.

So they prop up Pyongyang as their least bad choice. It's not like they're the first country to prop up an odious regime for strategic reasons.

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