|Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):|
There you go..start right off by being insulting. That will always garner support for any argument you may put forth.
The very first thing we hear out of anyone on the left who are all so "terrified" by guns, is ALWAYS........anyone who owns a gun is a "nut".
|Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 3):|
Don't you think that teachers should teach and guards should guard ?
What I really think is, people in Australia should should be MORE concerned about things happening in Australia, and much LESS concerned about things happening in the U.S.
|Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):|
Teachers have learned that anything which has a high pawn or underground sale value isn't safe in schools. Too many kids lift things from their teachers in today's schools.
I don't think anyone will disagree with that, Chief; and the exact same thing holds true every time you park your car anyplace in public.......if you leave anything of value in it, not only does it have a very high likelihood of being stolen, but you are also very likely to have a VERY substantial repair bill to replace the broken windows in your car; and I might mention, being fully aware of this, I NEVER leave things of value, ( especially a weapon ), in an un-attended car.
|Quoting seb146 (Reply 6):|
What is one teacher with one gun going to do to stop one nut carrying an AR-15?
No one (other than you) has said anything about "one teacher"; as far as the rest of your question..........I'm sure anyone attempting to answer it would have better luck explaining their "views" to a tree.
|Quoting seb146 (Reply 10):|
Private schools that can afford that sort of thing. But public schools that are constantly being de-funded by the right then given tons of guns? How can they suddenly afford firearms training but can not afford more teachers?
why is it that you seem to think "public schools are constantly being "de-funded" by "the right" ? and please give us an example of anyone being given "tons of guns".............( other than the Mexican drug cartels, by "you know who" ! And DON'T try blame THAT on GWB, because he had NOTHING to do with it, (unlike Eric Holder)
|Quoting seb146 (Reply 10):|
Okay, then. What is the point of private citizens owning that many military grade weapons? To overthrow the government?
You have THAT exactly backwards ! The "private citizens" you are referring to, have no plans what-so-ever to "over-throw" the government; unfortunately, I'm afraid the same cannot be said about "the government". (let's try to keep this discussion on the original topic)
|Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):|
What is a Teacher going to do, wear it on their side or keep it locked up? Who is going to pay for the training, the qualifying and maintaining of proficiency and the bonding? What happens when a Teacher forgets to lock it up and the curious little kids, pull it out and want to see it and someone gets shot? Before you blast me, I have been a Paramedic for 20 years and I have worked a few accidental shootings, that happened just like that at home and it is never nice seeing a little kid shot.
You're asking many questions; then, you're attempting to "suggest" that the "inevitable" will always happen....a "curious little kid" will cause someone to get shot. and don't worry.....I'm not going to "blast you"; your obvious concern is a valid one; I've thought of it myself. And it's partly why I don't advocate teachers, (or anyone else), keeping loaded weapons in desk drawers in class rooms. There is obviously only ONE safe place to "keep" weapons in a school, and I have no intention of going into the "specifics" of CC
on a forum with 85% being against weapons being carried by anyone, outside of "law enforcement".
|Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):|
People seem to think it is as simple as just giving someone a gun and letting them have at it, because of the 2nd Amendment, but do you understand the amount of training LEOs and Military have to go through to not only carry a weapon, but be able to defend someone from taki
Not knowing you, never having met you, I really have no idea about your knowledge regarding the proper training and safe handling of weapons, nor do I believe you have any about mine; what I AM
absolutely positive of is though, we are ALL
living in a society that has changed considerably (for the worse), over the past few decades. People on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested solutions; so far, I have not seen ANY from "the left" that have any chance what ever of improving the problem; at the same time, all suggestions from "the right" are immediately dismissed, mostly by people who I seriously doubt have ever held a hand gun, much less fired one. My question is, why are we even having this discussion ? I think about everyone on A.net who has followed the Non-Av forum for any time, knows by this time who is "for" and who is "against";
Some seem to believe that..."teachers don't know anything about guns, and should only "teach"; I can easily show anyone willing to listen, that a lot of "teachers" don't know anything about "teaching" either, and their "results" PROVE it!
It could even be accurately stated that........many police officers would be hard pressed to "hit a large barn" with their weapon; and at the same time, I can SHOW you HUNDREDS of "ordinary civilians" who can "out shoot" many LEOs.
It all depends on which civilian and which LEO you're talking about.
The "left" has advocated placing "gun free zone" signs on schools and such; why not put them on banks and liquor stores as well ? Many large banks have had armed guards since I was a child; may I suggest you contact the F.B.I. and request "statistics" on bank robberies over the last 50 or so years ? Every suggestion having even the slightest chance of lessoning gun violence is met with one more idiotic response from the left; "put a sign at the entrance; NO GUNS ALLOWED !" If that's what you really believe, please explain this;
The state of Illinois: most restrictive gun laws in the U.S. Chicago; ditto; no guns allowed by anyone except LE; yet Chicago's murder rate and victims of gun-shot wounds coming to hospitals far exceeds any other city in the U.S.
every time this is pointed out, we always hear more far-fetched "schemes" for getting "all the guns" out of the hands of......the law abiding people who haven't broken any law !
|Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 18):|
The teachers will literally have to carry the guns with them at all times, and that won't happen.
I really don't think "removing the 100,000,000 or so guns from all the "private citizens" is going to "happen" any time soon either.
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein