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Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:10 pm

So this is getting alot of press. Lots of views on the subject. Cunard has long been a more traditionalist line in terms of dressing up rather than down. The trend on other lines is moving away from so many formal nights and now it seems Cunard are doing that also.

So is Cunard moving with the times or ditching a tradition ?

Cruise passengers anger over Cunard decision to make on board dress code more casual

Cunard's controversial decision to relax the dress code on its ships has sparked a series of complaints among passengers, who have accused the cruise line of 'dumbing down'.

Cruise fans who enjoy the old-world charm of Britain's most traditional liners have taken to online forums to debate the news that Cunard is changing its evening-wear options from ‘formal’, ‘semi-formal’, and ‘elegant casual’ to simply ‘formal’ and ‘informal’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...-introduction-informal-nights.html
 
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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:36 pm

Well, beside operating the most beautifully appointed ships afloat the dress code is one of the cornerstones of the line. I have travelled 3 times with them and I really like it that everybody is dressed so well. Its truly special and something you cannot experience anywhere else, on sea or land, not even at a grand opera premiere the average guest is so tastefully dressed. Conservative, yes, but as their is no elegant modern dresscode.

As much as I heard they are planning to loosen the dresscode only a bit and not as dramatic as your post suggests. But what many Cunard fans fear is that it might be the beginning of a landslide that will take away much of the unique distinction of the line. True ship buffs will still prefer Cunard because of the ships, but if the atmosphere changes to the laissez faire holiday style to be found everywhere on the world the very faithful community of repeaters might erode considerably.

I say: dont change, as I cant see a reason that would make sense to do so. Sometimes I met people on board who complained a bit about carrying so much expensive dresses, but that I found to be a very small minority and has nothing to do with age, more with the purse or just an aversion to match the majority. No true Cunarder wants people with funny T-shirts and flip-flops in the restaurants. Badly dressed people have plenty of other places.
 
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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:40 pm

I guess there are two ways of looking at it. Either you can consider that seeing as you pay all that money you should choose to wear what you like within reason. Or, you can consider that you know what you're buying and what the deal is before choosing to book, and as na pointed out above, the dress code is part of what makes the product special. On balance I come down on the latter option's side. If you want to dress down there's plenty of choice out there for you with other operators.
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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:50 pm

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
So is Cunard moving with the times or ditching a tradition ?

As our resident Cruise afficionado I had hoped you could steer us in the right direction.  

To be frank, I like cruise liners where dining is open seating and when you wish. This may not mean a lowering of dress standards as many passengers will "dress up" appropriate for the time of day anyway because they feel the trip is special.

On the cruises that I have enjoyed, I found that passengers were less concerned with how people dressed than how they behaved.

But I guess that as cruises become more "popular", or as competition forces prices down we will see an effort by some operators to maintain an air of distinction, even if others try to attract a less discerning (dress-wise) market. It may appear elitist but for a number of years the new "Chic" has been to look as if you have come in from digging up potatoes or changing the engine oil. If I am not mistaken, a word was invented: grunge, or I couldn't give a sh....

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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:05 pm

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 3):
As our resident Cruise afficionado I had hoped you could steer us in the right direction

Phil wouldn't know, as he spends all his time on board cooped up down in steerage class with no access to windows, let alone people in evening wear.   

Sorry. You said 'steer'......
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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:51 am

Are we still in the days of the Titanic and her sister ships? No. This is 2013. If Cunard wants to move into the 21st Century, then they need to come out of the 19th. Hell...I went to Israel for my best friend's wedding. I packed ONE suit. If I'm going on a cruise, I'd pack the same, knowing that there's one formal night. Cunard should certainly not expect any business from me, even if I had the money.

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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:19 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 5):
If Cunard wants to move into the 21st Century, then they need to come out of the 19th.

If people were wanting to move out of the 19th century they wouldn't be on a ship at all.
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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:08 am

Quoting na (Reply 1):
No true Cunarder wants people with funny T-shirts and flip-flops in the restaurants. Badly dressed people have plenty of other places.
Quoting na (Reply 1):
On balance I come down on the latter option's side. If you want to dress down there's plenty of choice out there for you with other operators.

THe problem is, how many "Cunarder's" are really left? This may be what is prompting the move.
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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:16 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
If people were wanting to move out of the 19th century they wouldn't be on a ship at all.

Disney, Carnival (despite recent incidents), Norwegian, and a lot of other cruise lines would tend to disagree with you. Honestly, people don't need to cruise to get to a destination anymore...worldwide, your vacation-going demographic is getting younger and younger. Younger people tend to be more casual in general.

Example (and I'm not trying to incite the British on here): We (Americans, and from my limited travel overseas, most other countries) have suits. You have morning, lunch, evening, supper, etc. suits. Certain occasions on a cruise, I could see a suit: a formal night (which even Disney has), and the Captain's Dinner, if that's not the same as the formal night - which I wouldn't know because in all honesty, being an out of work college graduate, I can't afford a cruise other than on the Staten Island Ferry.

Most of the time, people go on vacation to relax. How can you relax if you're worrying about suits and formal attire?

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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:24 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 8):
Most of the time, people go on vacation to relax. How can you relax if you're worrying about suits and formal attire?

Why would you worry about it?

It's very simple and the idea of a dress code is so that you know and don't have to worry.

If I go to MacDonalds I wouldn't wear a tie. If I went to Le Cirque in New York, or Maxim's in Paris, I would always wear a tie - and know that a tuxedo wouldn't be out of place.

It doesn't matter to me, though, what other people wear.

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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:18 am

Quoting casinterest (Reply 7):
THe problem is, how many "Cunarder's" are really left? This may be what is prompting the move.

From my observation, the vast majority of passengers onboard gladly accept the dress code, its even a key reason to book that line and no other. A few months ago a friend sailed together with her 13 year-old-son aboard Queen Victoria for the first time. He enjoyed it tremendously and already asks for to repeat it.
From what I know, one problem is that a certain part of the wealthy "Grill´s" clientele increasingly likes to dress down on holidays and doesnt bother what others say (talk about the world never being so rich and so badly dressed).

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 8):
Most of the time, people go on vacation to relax. How can you relax if you're worrying about suits and formal attire?

Why should those kind of people bother to step onboard QM2? Dressing up is part of the fun at Cunard, for a short while, a week or three, its great to be among 2000 people in black tie and long skirts and diamonds. And dont forget, the dresscode applies only after 6 p.m., before that you can dress like if being in any 5-star holiday hotel.
 
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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:40 am

Quoting na (Reply 1):
Well, beside operating the most beautifully appointed ships afloat

I suggest you take a look at the Silverseas and Seabourne vessels before making statements like that. Cunard is 5 star Seabourne is 6/7.
 
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RE: Cruise Passengers Anger Over Cunard New Dress Code

Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
Cruise fans who enjoy the old-world charm of Britain's most traditional liners have taken to online forums to debate the news that Cunard is changing its evening-wear options from ‘formal’, ‘semi-formal’, and ‘elegant casual’ to simply ‘formal’ and ‘informal’.

I hope people aren't confusing 'informal' and 'casual', as they're quite different things. Informal attire is essentially a suit and tie for the men (even though the article said that ties would be optional, the strict definition of informal attire is suit and tie).

While I agree it's a certain 'dumbing down', it's not to the point of people on board wearing t-shirts, shorts and flip flops. If anything, by removing 'elegant casual' and putting 'informal' attire in its place is a "dressing up".
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