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Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:51 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21976584 says:

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The Republican congressman representing the state of Alaska has apologised for using a word considered derogatory to Hispanic workers in a radio interview.

Don Young, 79, said he "meant no disrespect" when he referred to Hispanic labourers on the California farm where he grew up as "wetbacks".

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During a discussion on a local radio station of the US labour market on Thursday, Mr Young said of his father's farm: "We used to have 50-60 wetbacks to pick tomatoes."

"It takes two people to pick the same tomatoes now. It's all done by machine," he added.

In a statement later, the 21-term congressman said: "I know that this term is not used in the same way nowadays" even though it was in common use when he was a child.

This dude is way out of touch.

IMHO he should consider immediate retirement.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:02 pm

So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi... it's runs in circles my friend.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:05 pm

I don't care what side you're on, what views you hold, or how you perform... nobody should be allowed to serve 21 terms. Perhaps this will be the nail in his coffin.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:08 pm

Now that I agree with.. The single largest issue our country has is not having term limits for the House, Senate and Supreme court. Member's of Congress should get average pay and no lifetime benefits once they leave.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:13 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi... it's runs in circles my friend.

Apart from people saying stupid thing on both ends..

The GOP is falling over itself to appeal to Hispanics..

When "left wing nuts" called GWB a Nazi - they did not want to appeal to the Germans..

That the difference: This guy is insulting the very people that the GOP wants to appeal to.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:27 pm

I'm not saying its right to call them that publicly; however, there is a huge double standard in the media between what the left can say and get away with compared to the right.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:30 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 5):
however, there is a huge double standard in the media between what the left can say and get away with compared to the right.

No there is not. The story here is not "politician says stupid things" - the story is the irony that he is insulting the very people that the GOP wants to appeal to and how that flies in the face with recent problems that the GOP is having
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:35 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):

When "left wing nuts" called GWB a Nazi - they did not want to appeal to the Germans..

Kinda funny - leftists calling GWB a statist socialist...

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
That the difference: This guy is insulting the very people that the GOP wants to appeal to.

I don't know about you, but part of my family lived in Texas and grew up in the early 20th century using such language. I never heard the term used in a mean manner - I always heard the term to generally mean people who both a) crossed the border in perhaps not the most legal prescribed way, and b) would work their butts off for relatively little pay. Their willingness to work hard was always respected. The attitudes of my grandparents was "yeah, they are illegal, but they work hard and they must really be poor at home to come work for these wages, so we feel sorry for them". Of course that was long before they numbered over 10 million strong... It was not meant as an insulting term, like, let's say, "Jiggaboo", which can only be interpreted in one way.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:42 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
early 20th century
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
I never heard the term used in a mean manner -
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
It was not meant as an insulting term

Sorry to tell you, the early 20th Century was a long time ago. I honestly do not think that Mr Young (at 79 years old) meant it as an insult.

However, it highlights the "old" "white" problem that the GOP has - That's the story here.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:49 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
However, it highlights the "old" "white" problem that the GOP has - That's the story here.

I think it has more to do with the "new" "intolerant" to me.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:57 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
I think it has more to do with the "new" "intolerant" to me.

You now consider Bohener intolerant? He had harsh words for the Gentleman from Alaska.

John Boehner the Intolerant. I must remember that one  

""Congressman Young’s remarks were offensive and beneath the dignity of the office he holds," Boehner said. "I don’t care why he said it -- there’s no excuse and it warrants an immediate apology."'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n-boehner-don-young_n_2979277.html
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:57 pm

As one of his constuants i am still trying wrap my head around the thread title of him as, "Elderly"

I doubt he is going anywhere anytime soon. He has always enjoyed the support of the native corperations up here.

This is par for the course. Besides we can't get rid of somebody who was willing to threaten an interior department facist with an Oosik.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:08 pm

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):

This dude is way out of touch.

IMHO he should consider immediate retirement.

At 79, anyone should be considering that. Although I do get what you're saying.

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):

So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi...

Crap, that's confusing. Which one is that meant to insult?

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 2):

I don't care what side you're on, what views you hold, or how you perform... nobody should be allowed to serve 21 terms.

Seriously, I'll buy that. 21 terms and you're not a Senator, you're an Arch - Duke.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
It was not meant as an insulting term, like, let's say, "Jiggaboo", which can only be interpreted in one way.

Wow. First time I've heard that one in this hemisphere...

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
I think it has more to do with the "new" "intolerant" to me.

No, not really. There's a huge (and likely deliberate) misperception that the GOP and right wingers seem to enjoy perpetuating that being tolerant means somehow tolerating intolerance. It doesn't, and never will.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:30 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi...

I don't see the connection to Nazi-ism. I just go with idiot or dope.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 2):
nobody should be allowed to serve 21 terms

I believe in term limits and a mandatory retirement age. They wouldn't be necessary in an ideal world, but this is not an ideal world. We see people like Harry Reid (yes, I'm criticizing a Dem...) who are more concerned with the prerogatives of the Senate and the Senators and less concerned with implementing any of the policies he and his party were elected to implement, and that bothers me.

I'd be fine with something like 12 or 18 years, 2-3 senatorial terms, as a max for both Senate and House.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 11):
As one of his constuants i am still trying wrap my head around the thread title of him as, "Elderly"

Dictonary.com gives us:

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elderly
adjective
1. somewhat old; near old age: a resort for elderly people.
2. of or pertaining to persons in later life.

He doesn't look at all youthful in the picture in the article and I think by 79 one can cope with the title 'elderly', IMHO. Where do you draw the line?
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:55 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
I don't know about you, but part of my family lived in Texas and grew up in the early 20th century using such language. I never heard the term used in a mean manner

Tell you what.......travel to East L.A. and call your fellow pedestrians that with a smile on your face.

I think you'll find out you're in the 21st Century.
 
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:05 pm

This guy's an idiot. His family farm was located in California, so whatever Hispanic workers may have been there probably weren't actually wetbacks. Get that man a map.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:27 pm

Well to be fair, Young did apologize you know "I'm sorry if I offended you, we don't in the good ole days anymore". Boehner made made say sorry. If the Republicans want to bring Hispanics and other people, why don't they stop being a party of angry old white men and women who reminisce of the great bygone days of America.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:47 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi... it's runs in circles my friend.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Kinda funny - leftists calling GWB a statist socialist...

The difference is that the term Nazi/socialist/communist/stalinist/facist etc are not really considered racial slurs. You don't go around calling people wetbacks, the n word, cracker, etc in public settings such as a radio interview.
 
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:57 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 17):
You don't go around calling people wetbacks, the n word, cracker, etc in public settings such as a radio interview.

Especially, as has been said, when you are trying to appeal to that same people.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:18 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
I don't know about you, but part of my family lived in Texas and grew up in the early 20th century using such language.

I spent the 50's in Texas and, yes, it was a common term at the time - and it wasn't delivered in a demeaning manner most of the time.

So we've gone from "Wetback" to "Illegals" to "Undocumented" - and maybe something in-between.

But "african Americans" have also gone through different phrases. When I was young it was "Colored People", then "Negro", then "Black" and now African American, which IMO has too many syllables.

Basically you cal pretty well guess a person's age range by which terms he or she uses.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
Sorry to tell you, the early 20th Century was a long time ago.

Just a little over 13 years ago.

A long time ago was something like 1969 when man first walked on the moon.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
However, it highlights the "old" "white" problem that the GOP has - That's the story here.

The GOP in this century is only about money. Cutting taxes for the wealthiest individuals and companies regardless of the costs to the country or those in "lower economic situations". They could care less about equal rights, immigration reform or gay marriage outside of how it impacts their ability to achieve their financial related goals.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:25 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
Just a little over 13 years ago.

A long time ago was something like 1969 when man first walked on the moon.

No, 13 years ago was the end of the late 20th century, and the beginning of the 21st century. I don't know what you would consider the cutoff between early and mid 20th century to be, but it is certainly older than 1969.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:57 am

It is sad when a member of Congress uses such an obsolete and offensive term in this day an age. At 79, he is really to old to be a member of congress, he could retire now and live very well on his pension. No problem that a conservative R would replace him, so no loss there. I have long advocated that there should be a maximum age one can be in elected or appointed office, for example many states cap serving as a Judge to age 70-75.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:15 am

Hmm....I wonder why this one escaped the conversation?

http://news.yahoo.com/rep-bruce-bral...ics.html?bcmt_s=m#ugccmt-container

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
The GOP is falling over itself to appeal to Hispanics..

Well,we just didn't understand the ultra liberal playbook of illegal is legal under Obama and his state media..We got it right now.Thanks.In 2014 we will control the Senate and the POTUS in 2016.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
However, it highlights the "old" "white" problem that the GOP has - That's the story here.

As oppose to ultra liberal extremists hijacking the democratic party.Read the DOMA act of 1996 and the democrats reaction.Talk about flip-flop from a bunch "old" white folks who are still in place with the demos,wow!We just need to learn that art.And didn't Obama from the first term?

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:39 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
But "african Americans" have also gone through different phrases. When I was young it was "Colored People", then "Negro", then "Black" and now African American, which IMO has too many syllables.

African American seems odd to me because it makes them sound foreign. Many of their families have been here longer than mine but I don't consider myself European American.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
The GOP in this century is only about money.

Be nice if it was, they'd be better liked.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
They could care less about equal rights, immigration reform or gay marriage outside of how it impacts their ability to achieve their financial related goals.

I am totally behind that platform. I have enough actual problems of my own to not want to take on everyone else's issues, which is what liberals seem interested in doing.

Quoting Polot (Reply 20):
I don't know what you would consider the cutoff between early and mid 20th century to be, but it is certainly older than 1969.

From an American perspective, I think you'd have to say the end of the Cold War.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:26 am

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):

Hmm....I wonder why this one escaped the conversation?

Because it was a term that referenced a sad event in history in reference to a sports loss and not a derogatory slur on a bunch of people that the GOP is trying to court. It was a dumb statement, but at least not a derogatory term.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
African American seems odd to me because it makes them sound foreign

It always strikes me as odd, as people from many parts of that Continent, do not meet the acceptable skin coloring to qualify.
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Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):
Thanks.In 2014 we will control the Senate and the POTUS in 2016.

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Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):
Well,we just didn't understand the ultra liberal playbook of illegal is legal under Obama and his state media..

Obama ultra liberal? LOL! You should go out and meet some hard-left liberals some day and find out how pissed they are about Obama.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):
We got it right now.

Not much evidence of that. See the CPAC thread.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):
Thanks.In 2014 we will control the Senate

It'd take a miracle.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):
and the POTUS in 2016.

Depends on who you get to run. Dems have the real problem of being in charge too long and putting up an aging/aged traditionalist like Biden or Hillary. They need to find the next Obama.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):
As oppose to ultra liberal extremists hijacking the democratic party.

If so, they're doing a piss poor job of it. Gitmo still opened, Patriot Act not repealed, no single payer system for medicine, military still in Afghanistan, etc.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
I have enough actual problems of my own to not want to take on everyone else's issues, which is what liberals seem interested in doing.

The issue is you can't just ignore things you don't personally care about and expect to have a functioning and thus productive society.

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Quoting Polot (Reply 20):
I don't know what you would consider the cutoff between early and mid 20th century to be, but it is certainly older than 1969.

From an American perspective, I think you'd have to say the end of the Cold War.

Early 20th: everything before WWII
Mid 20th: WWII - Vietnam
Late 20th: Watergate - Bubba-gate
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:41 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi.

So it is settled then. Don Young is a right-wing nut.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):
I wonder why this one escaped the conversation?

Because this isn't the NYT and we don't believe in the absolute necessity to find an equal amount of bad deeds on both sides lest we be accused of taking one!

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):
Well,we just didn't understand the ultra liberal playbook of illegal is legal under Obama

Well, if you call having the biggest border security budget ever and the highest number of extraditions of illegals ultra liberal policies, you're not getting it still and this is why...

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:18 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 27):
Well, if you call having the biggest border security budget

Just because you spend money does not mean you are accomplishing anything.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 27):
the highest number of extraditions of illegals

BS. The reason Obama claims the high number of extraditions is the administration is counting those intercepted at the boarder and returned without any judicial involvement - which used to be not counted as an extradition, which used to be defined as those ordered via a judicial decision.
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:19 am

I grew up in Southern California in the 70's. I have never heard wetback used in anything but a bad way. When using a term for migrant farm workers it was always the term 'Mexican'.
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:13 am

It is a term still used in Texas, and maybe you have to be from here to understand its true meaning since it originated here. If someone did illegally immigrate here via the Rio Grande then they are a factually a wetback. It is not a racist or derogatory thing, but rather it is a term coined to designate what the person did to get to the US. Should you say it without knowing a specific person's history? Absolutely not, but if you know the person illegally immigrated via the Rio Grande then the term works.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:57 am

It really shows you how racist a lot of conservative Americans still are. This is prejudice plain and simple. He wouldn't have apologized if he hadn't been caught and embarrassed.
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Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 30):
If someone did illegally immigrate here via the Rio Grande then they are a factually a wetback.

Shhhh... They did not immigrate illegally. They immigrated without documentation.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 31):
It really shows you how racist a lot of conservative Americans still are.

Please explain to me how it is racist. Do you even know what the term means, or are you simply tossing a grenade into the room?
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:25 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 28):
Just because you spend money does not mean you are accomplishing anything.

Yet conservatives want to spend billions of extra dollars on border security (also known as corporate welfare payments to defense contractors) that won't accomplish anything.

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 30):
If someone did illegally immigrate here via the Rio Grande then they are a factually a wetback.

No they aren't. Many cross the Rio Grande in vehicles across bridges. Some uses rafts/boats as well.
 
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Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 33):
Yet conservatives want to spend billions of extra dollars on border security (also known as corporate welfare payments to defense contractors) that won't accomplish anything.

No, we want to control the border. How much it costs to do that (whether more or less) is completely irrelevant.
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:23 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 31):
It really shows you how racist a lot of conservative Americans still are. This is prejudice plain and simple.

Giving welfare and food stamps to a black person costs just as much as doing the same for a white person.

Besides, he's from Alaska. I'm sure he can get together with the dozen Hispanics he represents and talk this out over some chalupas.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 31):
He wouldn't have apologized if he hadn't been caught and embarrassed.

Of course you don't apologize unless you get caught.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 33):
Yet conservatives want to spend billions of extra dollars on border security (also known as corporate welfare payments to defense contractors) that won't accomplish anything.

I don't care much, or at all really, about Jose the fruit picker coming to the US. The economy needs an underclass of cheap labor anyway, lest lettuce prices go through the roof.

That said, border security is important because not everyone's intentions may be so benign.
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:17 pm

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 30):
It is a term still used in Texas, and maybe you have to be from here to understand its true meaning since it originated here. If someone did illegally immigrate here via the Rio Grande then they are a factually a wetback. It is not a racist or derogatory thing, but rather it is a term coined to designate what the person did to get to the US.

Tip: if you want to try and gain a broader following from a certain ethnic group, trying to convince them that the term they view as racist isn't really racist isn't going to help.

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Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:22 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 36):
Tip: if you want to try and gain a broader following from a certain ethnic group, trying to convince them that the term they view as racist isn't really racist isn't going to help.

In fact, if you are not careful how you do so then trying to explain it can make you sound more racist than just using the term...
 
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Quoting Polot (Reply 37):
In fact, if you are not careful how you do so then trying to explain it can make you sound more racist than just using the term...

Actually, I'm not sure there's any way to try and explain it without sounding more racist.

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Quoting Mir (Reply 36):
Tip: if you want to try and gain a broader following from a certain ethnic group, trying to convince them that the term they view as racist isn't really racist isn't going to help.

Since when could illegal aliens have a say in political matters they have no right being involved? Mexicans in Texas dislike illegal aliens just as much, if not more, as white or black Americans.

Tip: It is not a racist term if it is something that they supposedly created. According to Texas lore, the term was coined by the riverine immigrants to distinguish themselves from others.
 
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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:02 pm

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 39):
Tip: It is not a racist term if it is something that they supposedly created.

Keep digging yourself that hole.

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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:21 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
African American seems odd to me because it makes them sound foreign. Many of their families have been here longer than mine but I don't consider myself European American.

Yeah, I consider themselves just American rather than African American. Like you said, we don't refer to white Americans as European Americans, do we? One term I absolutely hate is "person of color..." it just reeks of PC crap and that overly sensitive garbage that's coming about lately


As for him calling the workers "wetbacks," I do believe that it could once have been used non-insultingly, but I've never heard it that way, and he should have known better. There are parts of South America that refer to US citizens as "gringos" and it is non-offensive in come places, but it would be to us in the US. Sen Young may be in the same boat, who knows, but again, he should have known better


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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:59 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
But "african Americans" have also gone through different phrases. When I was young it was "Colored People", then "Negro", then "Black" and now African American, which IMO has too many syllables.

When I hear the term "African American" used to refer to someone based strictly on their race, I often wonder how the speaker knows that the person they're referring to isn't a visitor from Nigeria, Kenya or Ethiopia etc.
 
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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:11 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 42):
When I hear the term "African American" used to refer to someone based strictly on their race, I often wonder how the speaker knows that the person they're referring to isn't a visitor from Nigeria, Kenya or Ethiopia etc.

And never mind people like a friend of mine, White and blue-eyed, born in South Africa and emigrated here some years ago. He's a true African American...
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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:01 am

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 30):
It is a term still used in Texas, and maybe you have to be from here to understand its true meaning since it originated here. If someone did illegally immigrate here via the Rio Grande then they are a factually a wetback. It is not a racist or derogatory thing, but rather it is a term coined to designate what the person did to get to the US. Should you say it without knowing a specific person's history? Absolutely not, but if you know the person illegally immigrated via the Rio Grande then the term works.

I really don´t know which part of Texas you are from, but the parts from where I spent most of my childhood, the term "wetback" was derogatory, insulting and racist. No matter what sort of weird apology you are trying to make for the term, it´s just not true.

The term "gringo" also has a perfectly valid ethimological explanation but it still does not make it fine to referr to a group of Americans as such.

Read again what you wrote. You are saying that if a person immigrated by swimming across the Río Bravo it´s ok to call him/her "wetback." That´s a load of crap. The only time EVER I got called a "wetback" was by an imbecile at ENRON, and he was fired. And I´m sure it was not because he was using the term "incorrectly" as I did not come into the US swimming in.

Apologists for racist slurs...that´s one I have not seen in a while on this site.

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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:13 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 32):

Please explain to me how it is racist. Do you even know what the term means, or are you simply tossing a grenade into the room?

"Wetback" is a very specific racist term. If you want to bring it, I will meet you there. I do not stand for racism. If that means tossing a grenade into a room filled with racists, so be it. I stand up for what is right.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 35):

Giving welfare and food stamps to a black person costs just as much as doing the same for a white person.

Besides, he's from Alaska. I'm sure he can get together with the dozen Hispanics he represents and talk this out over some chalupas.

What does black/white and/or welfare have to do with this. See above.

Additionally, no matter who you represent, if you are disrespectful and prejudiced towards a group of people...you deserve to be called out.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 35):

Of course you don't apologize unless you get caught.

That statement shows more about your mentality than you even know.


"Wetback" is a racist term, just like "nigger" or "spic" or "slanted-eye" (sic). This is very offensive and anyone who defends this man, or any other who uses terms as such, is very questionable in my eyes.
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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 45):

"Wetback" is a very specific racist term. If you want to bring it, I will meet you there. I do not stand for racism.

But how is it racist? As far as I know, the only races within the human race are white, black, and asian.

You may call it xenophobic - in which case I would argue that how can one be xenophobic if he's OK with Mexicans who immigrate legally, just not those who sneak across the border? A xenophobe would be against them all, legal or not.

And that is what pisses us off the most about you guys. You call us anti-immigrant, conveniently leaving out the "illegal" component. I'm an immigrant myself - but my arrival was legal. My wife is also an immigrant - we had to go through nearly a year of paperwork but she's legal. Why should we accept people who don't follow the law and come in according to the rules?
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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:41 pm

Ok I'm born and raised in Texas. To the hispanic community it is derogatory and it's understandable, in the white communtiy maybe the black too, I'm not sure, it's generally not meant in a derogatory fashion. In the modern world it's time for that term to end but it's still used a fair amount in Texas.
 
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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:54 pm

79 year old, 42 years in the House. Oligarch all the way. Senile old bat.

GTFO!!!! Wake up Alaskans....ridiculous.
 
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RE: Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"

Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:43 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
This guy's an idiot.

Can't be too much of an idiot, he's been voted in 21 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
African American seems odd to me because it makes them sound foreign.

It's really no different than Japanese American, Chinese American, Italian American, Polish American or Irish American. I always wondered why Americans like to preface America with a country they have little in common with apart from a surname.

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