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North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:53 pm



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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:54 pm

Their glorious leader uses a Mac, 'nuff said.



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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting flanker (Reply 1):
Their glorious leader uses a Mac


What make you think he knows how to use it, it could just be there for decoration!!
 
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:19 pm

He looks good in that suit color, I like how it highlights his hairline.
 
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:00 pm

Is there any way I could acquire one of those hats? They are awesome..
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:37 pm

Quoting aircatalonia (Thread starter):

"This cake looks papery."

Quoting flanker (Reply 1):
Their glorious leader uses a cheap Chinese knockoff of a Mac

FTFY.


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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:58 pm

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 4):
Is there any way I could acquire one of those hats? They are awesome..

The French style or the Russian style?
 
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:04 pm

Quoting johns624 (Reply 6):

Either, they just look awesome
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:40 pm

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 4):
Is there any way I could acquire one of those hats?

The French style hat is called kepi; maybe that helps finding one (but I doubt it).

Quoting aircatalonia (Thread starter):
North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

And what difference does drawing proper trajectories make?
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:06 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 8):
And what difference does drawing proper trajectories make?

Well, it makes no difference. It's just that if they were to launch a (hypothetical) missile I don't think it would follow parallel 40 all the way to America. It would fly north, then south, as airplanes do. But, yeah, I don't think they have the weapon 
 
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:55 pm

I like the three telephones. He couldn't get a multiple line model? It's disappointing that one doesn't have a big red light on it.

That guy is 29 or 30 years old. What a strange, unique life he is going to have to deal with.
 
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:27 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...ea-north-war-idUSBRE92T00020130330

More empty threats I bet, I doubt they would have truly any reason to start a war with South.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:36 am

I think I've worked out why the North Korean generals think the US is in range of their missiles. They must have been searching A.net and came across this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/non_aviation/read.main/1111948


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Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:49 am

Once again the wingnuts that run NK are trying to extort China, SK, the USA and the rest of the world to make one sided deals without any human rights changes in their country, to end their exporting of missiles and bomb tech. NK is also deeply involved in the illegal drug trade, using their 'diplomats' to obtain Euros and USD's. I hope their next bomb test ends up landing deep in their capital city and take out their sick leaders.
 
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:26 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):

The inability to take a joke in that thread, which is all to common on A.net, really is a head shaker. Pathetic really.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:11 am

Quoting johns624 (Reply 6):
The French style or the Russian style?

I like them both... I dig the uniforms too. I wonder what all those ribbons mean. It isn't like the DPRK has been in war after war where a man could earn all those medals.


When the DPRK finally goes away just think of all the neat junk that will be on the surplus market. I remember surplus stores being full of DDR and USSR stuff in the early/mid 1990s. I got me one of the cool Soviet Navy clocks, maybe I could score a North Korean clock for a companion piece one day.
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:42 am

Quoting falstaff (Reply 15):
I wonder what all those ribbons mean.

There's the "I'm over 5 feet tall" medal.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:02 am

What kind of haircut is that? I can't get over that, it looks freaking ridiculous.
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:19 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 17):
What kind of haircut is that?

The kind you get when Asian people watch The Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:30 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):

The kind you get when Asian people watch The Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

Haha, now that you say it.

Didn't his dad have the very same haircut?
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:47 am

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 4):
Is there any way I could acquire one of those hats? They are awesome..

Defect. Then get put in a gulag for spying. Then get your arse bombed by us.

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:58 am

The kepis are a little "fat" (they should be cylindrical) but OK, however the other hats look like inverted mushrooms, I can't take someone wearing that seriously (I find that the oversized ones in Russia are already over the top).
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:49 pm

All those maps are FAKE big time....
Missile tracks are planned as Great Circle tracks and not Rhumbline (straight) like the one on the maps from the pics.
Any USAF will tell you this concept. Great Cirlce tracks can use Polar routes. They mean the same.
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Secondly, does anyone believe NK has even missiles? NK is one of the poorest countries 2nd to Haiti and you tell me that they can afford to own missiles? Come on....
 
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:56 pm

Quoting wardialer (Reply 22):
Secondly, does anyone believe NK has even missiles? NK is one of the poorest countries 2nd to Haiti and you tell me that they can afford to own missiles? Come on....

We know they have missiles. They've test-launched them.

NK is poor because they divert all their money into the military. If they need to induce more poverty to afford a small missile stockpile, they'd have no problem doing it.

Of course they don't really need that many missiles, since their main enemy is South Korea, and artillery will work just fine for that.

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 23):
NK is poor because they divert all their money into the military. If they need to induce more poverty to afford a small missile stockpile, they'd have no problem doing it.

Recent reports seem to indicate that sanctions are starting to bite even the military. I read in a foreign policy newsletter (sorry, can't recall which, probably Foreign Affairs) that the current increase in tension may have as much to do with the need to find a reason why some army units are not getting sufficient food ration on time, that is because they are too busy prepping and moving into position ahead of a military confrontation.

The army elite is still well fed, of course, but it is a small corps.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:58 pm

Maybe we should train Kim on how to use GCCS mapping tool such as this one.
http://www.disa.mil/Services/Command...-Control/GCCS-J/Technical-Training

But seriously, why he even bother disclosing the missile tracks in the first place. Its in plain view in the background.
Im sorry, but this is mocked up to the bone. If the NK leader wanted to attack the US or SK, then I strongly think that he would be that "dumb" to disclose all the plans from that picture to the media in the first place.

Look, and how come Obama is keeping hush hush about this???
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:02 pm

Quoting wardialer (Reply 25):
I would have the SEALs pin out his compound and take him out in the head.

That would be bad idea. Much worse than just ignoring him.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:35 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):

Recent reports seem to indicate that sanctions are starting to bite even the military. I read in a foreign policy newsletter (sorry, can't recall which, probably Foreign Affairs) that the current increase in tension may have as much to do with the need to find a reason why some army units are not getting sufficient food ration on time, that is because they are too busy prepping and moving into position ahead of a military confrontation.

The army elite is still well fed, of course, but it is a small corps.

The Chinese apparently got fed up after the last nuke test and really closed the border, even interdicting smuggling.

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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:13 pm

Quoting aircatalonia (Thread starter):
North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Yes, I realize we're joking here, but unless someone here can read Korean, how do we know it's a trajectory map?

Quoting johns624 (Reply 6):
The French style or the Russian style?

I'm digging the Russian style. Reminds me of General Ourumov from GoldenEye.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
Then get your arse bombed by us.
Quoting wardialer (Reply 25):
I would have the SEALs pin out his compound and take him out in the head.

Did you guys learn diplomacy from Team America: World Police?

Quoting Mir (Reply 23):
Of course they don't really need that many missiles, since their main enemy is South Korea, and artillery will work just fine for that.

Very true. I believe Seoul is only 50kms or so from the DMZ? These missiles are just NK's attempt at intimidation tactics. We all know that a NK missile will never get anywhere near the US.

On that note, I saw Olympus Has Fallen last night. Once you get over the inaccuracies, it's actually a really entertaining movie!
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:11 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16):
There's the "I'm over 5 feet tall" medal.

Ouch!
But with a lot of truth in that joke too.
The huge famines of the 1990's and continuing food shortages have stunted a whole generation of North Koreans.
(Except of course, Kim's gang. Both the boy now nominally leading the country and his late father, don't miss meals).
When you see footage of younger DPRK troops on the DMZ border, their uniforms often seem to be hanging off them. The average North Korean is several inches shorter than his Southern counterpart of the same age.

As for the 'trajectory' maps, a specialist on Korea on the news today reckoned they are merely US airliner route maps, presumably from the web.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:15 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 29):
When you see footage of younger DPRK troops on the DMZ border, their uniforms often seem to be hanging off them. The average North Korean is several inches shorter than his Southern counterpart of the same age.

Supposedly they always assign their tallest and healthiest looking soldiers to the border.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:45 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 30):
Supposedly they always assign their tallest and healthiest looking soldiers to the border.

Yes, and so does the south, but by average they are indeed taller.
A 20-year-old from North Korea is about 1.60 m (5.2 ft), a South Korean of the same age is 6 cm taller.

Worse, in the north even babies are often born malnourished, because the mother did not have enough to eat during her pregnancy. And breastfeeding is unpopular in NK, perhaps because it is quite demanding when the woman barely has enough to feed herself, but it doesn't add to the child's health.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:01 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 30):
Supposedly they always assign their tallest and healthiest looking soldiers to the border.

True, they also have faked up model villages just over the border as well.

It's likely that again, this whole blood curdling belligerence from the DPRK is about two things.

1, Trying to apply pressure to get more food/economic aid - since that whole 'Juche' self reliance policy from granddaddy has't quite come to fruition yet.

2. The new boy has to show his mettle as much to the military and other centres of power within the government, as the outside world.

Another interesting thing, Seoul has a quite sizable Chinese community living there, a lot of businessmen I'd imagine. Who are in as much danger from any aggression from the North as South Koreans. Given the DPRK's reliance on an increasingly exasperated China, you wonder what they make of all the bellicose rhetoric from Pyongyang.
 
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:10 pm

If hes making these threats of targeting the US, why not charge him with US Fedral law which would be a Felony.
I dont understand why we cannot send FBI agents there and arrest the leader along with his generals??




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Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:31 pm

The trouble is, now, that nerves are stretched to breaking point; all it would take would be one North (or indeed South) Korean troops to be too trigger happy or misinterpret something done by the other side. It has become an extremely dangerous situation now; sure, the North may be playing a very high risk poker game (they must be, because they know the consequences of actually going to war), but there are very few, if any, safety nets now.

What if a Korean Air 737 is mistaken for a RoKAF Wedgetail 737 AEW aircraft; the closer they push towards the brink, the greater are the chances of something going terribly wrong and there is no little or no protection against this (not least because the hotline to Seoul has been cut).

The South Korean military may now be discussing its options, which may include pre-emptive strikes against artillery positions. After the Yeongpyeong Island incident last year (?), individual South Korean military units were given much greater freedom to respond directly to provocation. The "Swiss cheese" model comes to mind and now, all the cheeses seem to be lining up ...
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:55 pm

Quoting wardialer (Reply 33):

If hes making these threats of targeting the US, why not charge him with US Fedral law which would be a Felony.
I dont understand why we cannot send FBI agents there and arrest the leader along with his generals??

Last time we wanted to do that we had to invade the whole country.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):
What if a Korean Air 737 is mistaken for a RoKAF Wedgetail 737 AEW aircraft;

Then it's the biggest, and possibly last, mistake the North Koreans will make.
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:17 pm

Quoting wardialer (Reply 33):
If hes making these threats of targeting the US, why not charge him with US Fedral law which would be a Felony.
I dont understand why we cannot send FBI agents there and arrest the leader along with his generals??
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):
What if a Korean Air 737 is mistaken for a RoKAF Wedgetail 737 AEW aircraft

That would be a terrible tragedy, although I have a feeling that there would be far more backlash in this event than with the KE 007 accident. There would likely be an immediate retaliation, and a quite violent one at that.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 36):

Except that it's been done before. Manuel Noriega was tried in Florida and sentenced to 17 years in prison which he served before being passed off to the French so they could bring him up on some other charges.

It could be done, it's just a matter of building up a case and then getting the target.
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:59 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 37):
Manuel Noriega was tried in Florida and sentenced to 17 years in prison which he served before being passed off to the French so they could bring him up on some other charges.

Noriega was a drug lord that trafficked drugs to the US. He actually committed crimes against the US and it could be proven. This is besides the fact that the invasion was considered a breach of international law, but the US government hasn't always concerned themselves with that.

Kim Jong Un and his generals haven't committed a worthwhile crime against the United States. Suggesting the FBI go over pick him up for making empty threats against the US is absolutely asinine.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 37):
getting the target.

This was the main reason for my facepalm. I would seriously question anyone who thinks it's justified to put American lives at risk to arrest a man who has made threats against the US. Unless certain comments in this thread was just huge trolling, it's not at all realistic to think you guys can just waltz into Pyongyang, arrest Kim, and extract him without a bloody war ensuing.
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:41 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 28):

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
Then get your arse bombed by us.
Quoting wardialer (Reply 25):
I would have the SEALs pin out his compound and take him out in the head.

Did you guys learn diplomacy from Team America: World Police?
Quoting wardialer (Reply 33):
If hes making these threats of targeting the US, why not charge him with US Fedral law which would be a Felony.
I dont understand why we cannot send FBI agents there and arrest the leader along with his generals??
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 27):
The Chinese apparently got fed up after the last nuke test and really closed the border, even interdicting smuggling.

They did sign on to the sanctions so I'm assuming they're enforcing them as much as they can
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:27 am

What is this thread actually about except for a few conservative American (or western) Airliners.net members thumping their chests and posturing on a forum???
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:06 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 40):

You're more than welcome to share your opinion. Please enlighten us on a different course of action.
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:36 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 40):
What is this thread actually about except for a few conservative American (or western) Airliners.net members thumping their chests and posturing on a forum???

Any posturing and chest thumping is being done by the N Koreans. I don't think there is anything wrong with speculating on likely responses or a possible chain of events. This is becoming a very serious situation - and that is Pyongyang's doing, not anyone else's.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:26 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 40):
What is this thread actually about except for a few conservative American (or western) Airliners.net members thumping their chests and posturing on a forum???

It's rather amusing that North Korea doesn't realize or acknowledge the fact that they could be summarily curb stomped at pretty much anytime.
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:48 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 42):
Any posturing and chest thumping is being done by the N Koreans. I don't think there is anything wrong with speculating on likely responses or a possible chain of events. This is becoming a very serious situation - and that is Pyongyang's doing, not anyone else's.

Nothing serious about this, just North Korea doing its usual threats to strengthen the order inside the country. It's nothing to worry about.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 43):
It's rather amusing that North Korea doesn't realize or acknowledge the fact that they could be summarily curb stomped at pretty much anytime.

North Korean leadership very well knows what they are doing, surely they know they would have no chances in actual war, they just need to keep this show up for their brainwashed people.

I doubt Americans could ever capture Kim Jong Un alive, so why waste time on that. I wish United States would instead go and capture some terrorists inside their borders, but unfortunately it seems like terrorism against civilians is okay if those civilians happen to be from a country that disagrees with the US.
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 43):
It's rather amusing that North Korea doesn't realize or acknowledge the fact that they could be summarily curb stomped at pretty much anytime.

The have the fourth largest standing army on the planet defending a mostly mountainous area approximately the size of Pennsylvania. For comparison's sake the third largest standing army belongs to India. Add the reported North Korean indoctrination and it would not be a curb stomping. It would be real. It would be awful, and it would be bloody. And a lot of South Koreans and probably Japanese would die in the process.
 
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:48 pm

Quoting luckyone (Reply 45):
The have the fourth largest standing army on the planet defending a mostly mountainous area approximately the size of Pennsylvania. For comparison's sake the third largest standing army belongs to India. Add the reported North Korean indoctrination and it would not be a curb stomping. It would be real. It would be awful, and it would be bloody. And a lot of South Koreans and probably Japanese would die in the process.

I don't think we'd go in all willy nilly... we'd do what we always do: strike communications (I'm sure there is a cruise missile pointed at every comm facility in NK) and we'd go after their anti-aircraft capabilities to establish air superiority. Those two alone will do a great deal of damage and reduce effectiveness, and that wouldn't involve a single boot on the ground

I doubt we'd just charge into the mountains. After neutralizing their long range threats and probably taking out their leadership, we could probably just wait for them to try and roll past the DMZ which I'm sure would get crushed by airstrikes and all. Size of an army really isn't that important if the right steps are taken to deal with it, I don't know why everyone freaks out about the "size" of an army

The real damage NK would do is their initial strike. They are close and they are ready, and I'm sure any strike would be initiated by them (surprise attack advantage for them.) We have extremely good anti-missile capabilities (I have Army friends in Korea and in the air defense artillery) but a lot of civilians would get killed... the bases are very well protected, trust me. The initial ground blitz would be a conventional war which the US is very good at, but at the very beginning, it would be very overwhelming... studies have gone into NK and the ones I've read all stressed that they need to act very quickly and the most damage would be done in the first day
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:49 pm

Quoting luckyone (Reply 45):
The have the fourth largest standing army on the planet defending a mostly mountainous area approximately the size of Pennsylvania. For comparison's sake the third largest standing army belongs to India. Add the reported North Korean indoctrination and it would not be a curb stomping. It would be real. It would be awful, and it would be bloody. And a lot of South Koreans and probably Japanese would die in the process.

If I recall Iraq had the 4th largest Army in the world in 1988 and had close to a million men and they folded fairly quick in 1991.

Even of the they have a 1,000,000 man army, if they are hungry and poorly equipped it doesn't matter much. If the DPRK were to send men over the border to the south they would need occupation troops and occupying the south would prove to be difficult. It wouldn't shock me if the DPRK troops would raid the grocery stores and consumer goods shops and get preoccupied with that. Hunger and greed can overcome a lot of indoctrination. The other thing is that they DPRK has spent so much time playing war that they may be out of touch with modern tactics. I have always heard and read that armed forces prepare for the last war and if that is true the last war for them was 60 years ago and A LOT has changed in tactics since then.

Fight in North Korea would be tough, kind of like fighting in Pennsylvania would be, lots of places to hide. If there was a ground war it would be rather bloody, which is something the civilized world isn't used to seeing much anymore.
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:38 pm

Saw a funny comic on Facebook the other day, but can't find it now. Basically it's a hissy fit Kim Jong Un throwing a rocket at a giant US Soldier and it bounces right off.

This one is kinda funny too  
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RE: North Korea's Military Can't Draw Trajectories

Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:47 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 44):
North Korean leadership very well knows what they are doing, surely they know they would have no chances in actual war, they just need to keep this show up for their brainwashed people.

I'm not sure that's the case.

First, the control of the media and message there is complete. There's no reason why they need to actually say or do anything to show off for the North Korean people, all they have to do is say they did. Hell, they could probably concoct a story that they are invading the south, maybe fire off a few blank artillery rounds, say that the lack of a reaction is because the imperialists are being soundly defeated, and North Koreans would buy it.

Second, they've been doing this crap for sixty malnourished years. Un is a third generation despot and this is all he's ever known and the same could probably be said for all of those around him. You see it all the time with the situation of having too many "yes men" in a given place: how many brainwashed people can a leader listen to before he's brainwashed himself? It's easy to say "the top brass knows the actual situation" but in this case they might actually not since they've all come up in the same brainwashing as everyone else.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 45):
The have the fourth largest standing army on the planet defending a mostly mountainous area approximately the size of Pennsylvania.

It might take a while, but it would never be a real threat. They have a lot of bodies but all that will get them is a lot of bodies. They don't have much equipment, probably even less that works, along with poor health and fitness. I don't doubt they'd try hard, but it would look like a girl's high school team playing the Miami Heat.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 45):
Add the reported North Korean indoctrination and it would not be a curb stomping.

The brainwashing might make it cleaner, for us anyway. If we were to run into a situation where virtually everyone (including women and children) was acting as a soldier in rough terrain, it makes it easier to call in tactical nuclear weapons.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 46):
I don't think we'd go in all willy nilly... we'd do what we always do: strike communications (I'm sure there is a cruise missile pointed at every comm facility in NK) and we'd go after their anti-aircraft capabilities to establish air superiority. Those two alone will do a great deal of damage and reduce effectiveness, and that wouldn't involve a single boot on the ground

That would be basically the blueprint for it. After that you just take out targets as they present themselves.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 46):
studies have gone into NK and the ones I've read all stressed that they need to act very quickly and the most damage would be done in the first day

To be fair, I'm sure studies on most places say that. It's like the sideline interview: "To win we need to rebound, play good defense, and make our shots."

Quoting falstaff (Reply 47):
If I recall Iraq had the 4th largest Army in the world in 1988 and had close to a million men and they folded fairly quick in 1991.

   And the Iraqis by comparison had better equipment and plenty of real world experience.
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