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Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:34 am

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-0.../racist-rant-on-sydney-bus/4604374

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(Unfortunately Korea, where my family is from, is not immune to the disease of racism. However, things are changing for the better as the country opens up more.)
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:53 am

I have no idea how the whole racial situation is in Australia, although I have heard a few things. However, this incident, as related by the newspiece, seems your typical psycho (real psycho I don´t mean that as derogatory) mouthing off to whomever his enemies of the day were.

I don´t think this event in particular can be taken as a symptom of things in Australia. Or can it? That´s for our Australian friends to share with us I suppose.
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:18 am

Not really that surprising. Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians. Despicable none the less.
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:08 am

Sad and disgusting to see. Luckily he wasn't physical. You have idiots in every country and luckily this is not a representative of Aulstralians as a whole.
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:23 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
Not really that surprising. Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians. Despicable none the less.

Sources? This guy is a psycho and probably shouted at others for different reasons the day before and the day after.

"Recent history of abuse"? No, a recent history of conflict between a subset of moneyed Indian students who didn't know how to behave and certain Australian red necks who didn't know how to behave, beaten up in the Indian press as hyper racism and reaching your ears. Ask established Indian immigrants in Australia and you'll find they did not at all agree with this supposed 'anti-Indian' sentiment of Australia.

BTW, I could have taken similar footage of myself being verbally abused on the metro at similar volume by drunken youths from "les banlieux'" in Paris for speaking French with an English accent. The abuse went on for 10mns. It has, however, never happened before or since.



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RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:53 am

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 4):
Sources? This guy is a psycho and probably shouted at others for different reasons the day before and the day after.

"Recent history of abuse"? No, a recent history of conflict between a subset of moneyed Indian students who didn't know how to behave and certain Australian red necks who didn't know how to behave, beaten up in the Indian press as hyper racism and reaching your ears. Ask established Indian immigrants in Australia and you'll find they did not at all agree with this supposed 'anti-Indian' sentiment of Australia.

BTW, I could have taken similar footage of myself being verbally abused on the metro at similar volume by drunken youths from "les banlieux'" in Paris for speaking French with an English accent. The abuse went on for 10mns. It has, however, never happened before or since.

Looks like I hit too close to home. Where is the 'side-eye' smiley... If I were on the bus...
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:19 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 5):
Looks like I hit too close to home. Where is the 'side-eye' smiley... If I were on the bus...

Calling a nation racially abusive usually hits close to home.  

If you were on the bus.... What would you have done or my metro for that matter?
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:27 am

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 6):
Calling a nation racially abusive usually hits close to home.  

If you were on the bus.... What would you have done or my metro for that matter?

Unfortunately, this is the type of thing that has taken place in a litany of circumstances. I did not call the whole nation abusive, and I do not believe them as such. I would visit OZ myself. In this situation...the police definitely would have been called darling. Or at least a vivid exchange would have taken place.

But, I tend to be the type of person who stands up for myself and others like me.

I still stand by my first post.
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:38 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 1):
I have no idea how the whole racial situation is in Australia, although I have heard a few things. However, this incident, as related by the newspiece, seems your typical psycho (real psycho I don´t mean that as derogatory) mouthing off to whomever his enemies of the day were.

Given the location (Sydney CBD) & mode of transport (Bus), I'd say this guy is either a nutcase, drug-addled, or both......
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:45 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 7):
I did not call the whole nation abusive

Yes you did, pretty clear really

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians.
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:02 am

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 9):
Yes you did, pretty clear really

Ok really, what else is there to say? Maybe you should look at your own country if you think that.
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:03 am

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Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:22 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 10):
Ok really, what else is there to say? Maybe you should look at your own country if you think that

Look, I just pointed out that you did in fact you did call the whole of Australia abusive......in spite of your protestations...

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians

Please tell us what experience are you coming from, or are you just talking about media coverage you have read?

Explain to me why, from one article, you can call Australia abusive, this is one person being an idiot......I could find plenty of articles in US media of people doing stupid/dumb/racist things - should I then call all Amercians stupid/dumb/racist?

BTW I am not Australian it is not "my" country just so we are very clear here, I just live here and find most people not "abusive", in fact quite the opposite, just the same as I found when I lived in the US. I suggest you come and live here before you make these uninformed comments
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:41 am

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 12):

Look, I just pointed out that you did in fact you did call the whole of Australia abusive......in spite of your protestations...

The country of Australia does have a recent history of this.

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 12):

Explain to me why, from one article, you can call Australia abusive, this is one person being an idiot......I could find plenty of articles in US media of people doing stupid/dumb/racist things - should I then call all Amercians stupid/dumb/racist?

One article I do not think so. I criticize my country, the USA, more than any.

Let us see...because I do not make uninformed comments, no matter how unbeknownst they may be to anyone...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ov/23/australia-safe-debate-racism
http://etn.sagepub.com/content/7/4/564.abstract
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...s-teo/story-fn7x8me2-1226247766763
http://travel.cnn.com/sydney/life/racism-sux-581537
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/societ...ralians-racist-20120512-1yjcp.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...is_australia_unusually_racist.html
http://www.thenational.ae/news/racism-in-australia-cannot-be-ignored
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Australia

On and on and on. Of course racism isn't exclusive to Australia or white Australians. One link?
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RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:24 pm

I don't think Australians are any more racist than people from any other western countries, every country has idiots like this.

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Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:35 pm

Horrible behavior that paints a bad picture. Oddly, not the first filmed incident of racial abuse on public transport in the last few months in Australia

Having lived in Australia for years, my observations are that the society is split. The isn't general racism right across society. But there is a big portion that is quite racist. And it's very ingrained and therefore hereditary.

But the part of society in Australia that isnt racist compensate well for this group. Itwould be hard to find a warmer, more inclusive group anywhere in the world. Australia is a place where differences are celebrated, and the notion of homogenizing the culture is not part of the vision.

I think Australia needs to be a bit more honest with itself. Whenever issues of racism come up, politicians, police, society try their hardest to blame some other phenomenon, (Cronulla riots are a good example of this). As a mature country, they should be prepared to face up to a few warts honestly. Doesn't mean that they are not a great country, with great people.
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:25 pm

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 12):
Please tell us what experience are you coming from, or are you just talking about media coverage you have read?

Explain to me why, from one article, you can call Australia abusive, this is one person being an idiot......I could find plenty of articles in US media of people doing stupid/dumb/racist things - should I then call all Amercians stupid/dumb/racist?

BTW I am not Australian it is not "my" country just so we are very clear here, I just live here and find most people not "abusive", in fact quite the opposite, just the same as I found when I lived in the US. I suggest you come and live here before you make these uninformed comments

Well, I have lived in Australia, so I'm coming from experience when I say that Pellegrine isn't totally off base. I've only lived in two countries, Canada and Australia, and I can't say with certainty that Australia is more racist, but they're certainly more open about it. I find in North America people try to keep their racist tendencies, whereas many Australians just let it all out. I found it especially shocking how openly racist people were towards the Aboriginals.

But that is here nor there. Australia's racism has nothing to do with this story. This story is of a man who is clearly disturbed and happened to lash out at these unlucky Koreans (if they are in fact Korean). As has been mentioned, you're going to find these mentally ill people in the CBD of any city.

I'm just curious why the driver didn't intervene when this all started going down. Surely he/she must have heard the commotion?
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:03 pm

There are racists in all countries I have ever visited, including Australia. My wife, who is of Asian origin, has been racially abused by white Australian yobbos, but also by elderly Asians who criticised her for dating a guy of Anglo-Saxon origin. Most of the abusers seem to be drunk and that's what really pisses me off. We are far too tolerant of offensively drunk d'heads in Australia. The drinking culture here is disgusting. Just ask the NSW Police Commissioner.

When you encounter drunken, iced, mentally disturbed or otherwise violent or offensive passengers on Sydney transport the usual response is to pull your head in and try to avoid escalating the conflict, especially when they have "mates". I get the impression that any criticism of them is enough to invite a violent response, which may occur at a time after the initial event.

What I would like to see is bus drivers and train guards immediately call for police assistance when they observe this behaviour and have the offenders apprehended.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:42 am

The target of this mans abuse has now spoken to the media:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...st-time-bus-race-abuse-victim-says

Again, just use my sweeping generalisation brrom, I find that it is exactly these type of people that hassle visitors about "not speaking English", that you find in Bali, getting pissed, not speaking Indonesian, and being totally disrespectful of Indonesian culture and values. And the sad thing is, they are too stupid to understand the irony of how they act. Ethno-centricism at it's worst.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:21 pm

From someone that was born and grew up in Korea and has family in Seoul, this makes me sick. If it was me, I would've punched that Aussie in the face, but kudos to the man for keeping his cool. I can imagine how he and his wife had to feel after this idiotic, pathetic, @#$face Australian while on their visit to an AMAZING country.

Quoting allrite (Reply 17):
What I would like to see is bus drivers and train guards immediately call for police assistance when they observe this behaviour and have the offenders apprehended.


As do I, but what is sad with most countries is that the majority of the people will absolutely do nothing if that happens. Stuff like this happens everyday in the US and people just watch and mind their own business.

I would LOVE to be the bus driver in that video. A loud GET THE HELL OFF MY BUS to the Aussie and shuts door. Pardon my french.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
The country of Australia does have a recent history of this

So you are calling all of Australias racist??

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians.

Seeing you have an issue understanding my argument, I will put in simple terms.
I disagree with tarring all Australians with the [racist] brush. By making your comment, you are in fact calling my partner who is a white Australian a racist - how dare you

I don't disagree there are pockets of racism, but to call all white Australians racist is pathetic especailly coming from someone who hasn't even been here.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 10):
Ok really, what else is there to say? Maybe you should look at your own country if you think that.

From the country that gave us the KKK   ....based on your argument, should I call all white Americans racist?

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
Let us see...because I do not make uninformed comments, no matter how unbeknownst they may be to anyone...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ov/23/australia-safe-debate-racism
http://etn.sagepub.com/content/7/4/564.abstract
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...s-teo/story-fn7x8me2-1226247766763
http://travel.cnn.com/sydney/life/racism-sux-581537
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/societ...ralians-racist-20120512-1yjcp.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...is_australia_unusually_racist.html
http://www.thenational.ae/news/racism-in-australia-cannot-be-ignored
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_...ralia

So yes you agree, you are basing your agrument on media coverage, how can this be an informed an unbiased viewpoint?
If I was going to base all my views on the media reports, can you imagine how "gun toting America" looks?

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
One article I do not think so. I criticize my country, the USA, more than any

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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:56 pm

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 20):
Your silence on this thread
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That thread was only started only a couple hours ago. I doubt Pellegrine is on A-net 24/7.  
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:57 pm

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 20):
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
The country of Australia does have a recent history of this

So you are calling all of Australians racist??

Because that is exactly what he said.  
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:47 am

Quoting gocaps16 (Reply 19):
I would LOVE to be the bus driver in that video. A loud GET THE HELL OFF MY BUS to the Aussie and shuts door. Pardon my french.

Sadly I've heard more than a few bus drivers express racist sentiments themselves. And there's been a fair bit of media about bus drivers themselves getting physically assaulted - sometimes because they kicked someone off the bus earlier. Oh well, you could always catch a taxi and listen to a Sikh (in Canberra) claim that all Victorian police are racist or maybe learn to drive yourself - with a Jewish driving instructor who says that all Arabs and Germans should die.

Oh, and if anyone is feeling racist today, try to think of a counter example of whatever behaviour is making you upset from that particular ethnic group. I always can.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:53 am

Methinks some dost protest too much. Pellegrine has not stated that all white Australians are racist but that Australia does have a history of racism and abuse. It is undeniable that Australia does have people who are racist as individuals. It is also undeniable that in the past there was institutionalised racism, both in the treatment of aboriginal Australians and in the treatment of non-white migration. The "White Australia Policy" was a fact of history. Anti-Chinese riots on the gold fields in Victoria and anti-Italian and Dalmation riots on the goldfields in Kalgoorlie have been adequately described by historians and in contemporary reports. OK, the riots in Kalgoorlie were in 1934 but the language test applied to would be migrants from the sub-continent continued into the 1970s. Not everyone was welcoming of refugees following the fall of Saigon.

More recent, while a large part of the debate against refugees is framed in terms of queue-jumping, there is no doubt that underlying the debate is opposition to people arriving from mainly Muslim countries. We do not hear anywhere near as much opposition or anger directed at white Europeans who come to Australia and overstay, blending in and working illegally. Why do the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition not make equally public announcement about this unlawful presence as they do about shipping "boat people" off to Nauru?

So yes, there is racism in Australia. That isn't the same as saying that all Australian's are racist or that only whites are. People from all ethnic backgrounds can be racist. There have been a number of videos posted on youtube recently showing what appear to be racially motivated incidents. The ABC reported on one of its own staff being the victim of a racist diatribe on a bus. How common these events are, I don't know as I don't travel all that often on public transport.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:31 am

Oh...

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 20):
So you are calling all of Australias racist??

Didn't we go through this already. Nope, but if that is what you want to believe, whatever will be will be. It's not like we even know each other, and I have zero hate for you. My opinion is quite clear. I despise racism though, and I am just the one to call it like I see it.

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 20):

Your silence on this thread
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LOL

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 21):

That thread was only started only a couple hours ago. I doubt Pellegrine is on A-net 24/7.

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Quoting Rara (Reply 22):

Because that is exactly what he said.

  
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:53 am

This tuoches on a point I made earlier:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/cur...rvasive-racism-20130404-2h9i1.html

I agree. Isolated issues like this one are not the big problem. It's the more widespread attitudes and culture
 
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Quoting Quokkas (Reply 24):
More recent, while a large part of the debate against refugees is framed in terms of queue-jumping, there is no doubt that underlying the debate is opposition to people arriving from mainly Muslim countries. We do not hear anywhere near as much opposition or anger directed at white Europeans who come to Australia and overstay, blending in and working illegally.

Every Ashes year I have issues with the bloody English immigrants who come over here, don't integrate properly and start waving their Union Jack (minus the Southern Cross and Star of Federation) in my face. Something tells me this year is going to be particularly bad.  
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:57 pm

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):

Unfortunately, this isn't the first incident, nor will it be the last. It is also not the first incident that has been filmed. A few months ago, young French tourists were abused on a Melbourne bus.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 4):
"Recent history of abuse"? No, a recent history of conflict between a subset of moneyed Indian students who didn't know how to behave and certain Australian red necks who didn't know how to behave, beaten up in the Indian press as hyper racism and reaching your ears. Ask established Indian immigrants in Australia and you'll find they did not at all agree with this supposed 'anti-Indian' sentiment of Australia.

I agree that racism does get beaten up in the media from time to time, but this isn't one of those occasions. This is a clear incident of racial abuse, and the offender should be arrested and charged.

I agree that Australia as a whole is not racist, and that there is no widespread anti- sentiment. I'm a migrant to Australia myself, and have been taunted because of my race, but did not go so far as what that man experienced on the Sydney bus. That doesn't mean, however, that there is no history of racism in this country.

Quoting joffie (Reply 11):
Bogans exist everywhere

Unfortunate, but true.

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 15):
Horrible behavior that paints a bad picture. Oddly, not the first filmed incident of racial abuse on public transport in the last few months in Australia

  

Quoting allrite (Reply 17):
We are far too tolerant of offensively drunk d'heads in Australia. The drinking culture here is disgusting.

      

The drinking culture in Australia is unfortunately one of the root causes of idiotic behaviour and "boganism" in this country.

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 20):
I disagree with tarring all Australians with the [racist] brush. By making your comment, you are in fact calling my partner who is a white Australian a racist - how dare you

That's not what he said. He said that Australia has a history of racism. That is correct. That is not the same thing as saying all Australians are racist.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 24):
Pellegrine has not stated that all white Australians are racist but that Australia does have a history of racism and abuse. It is undeniable that Australia does have people who are racist as individuals. It is also undeniable that in the past there was institutionalised racism, both in the treatment of aboriginal Australians and in the treatment of non-white migration. The "White Australia Policy" was a fact of history.

  

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Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:00 am

And now another one:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/it...ught-on-camera-20130412-2hp76.html

Nice to see some of the other passengers steping in in this case. At least the gentleman that was the target of her abuse can go away believing it to be an isolated incident with some nutcase
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:13 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 29):

They should of just pushed her off the train at the next station. Too many drugged up idiots on these lines. This, however happens more than you think but more and more people are happy to record anything for youtube.

Lucky no one was hurt.
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:25 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 27):
Something tells me this year is going to be particularly bad.

I fear you are correct but not because of cricket.
We are facing an extended and unusually divisive general election process where immigration is one of the hot topics.

I myself was caught up in one of these incidents the other day, lining up at a fast food outlet in the area where I live(an area with a very high immigrant asian population) a caucasian woman.. struggling with an adequate description.. don't want to offend anyone with the term "trailer trash" but let's go with that, pushed her way to the front of the line and thrust an un wrapped burger at the young girl behind the counter shouting this was not what she ordered, offensively berating the young girl with abuse, continuing the abuse even after the manager apologised and offered a replacement.. still the racist abuse of the young student behind the counter and the manager went on. As I was about to say something an elderly gentlemen in the line beside me quietly leant forward and said "excuse me maam.. they are fixing it can you please calm down, it is a nice day and there is no reason for a simple mistake to ruin your day"
Her response, she then turned on the gentlemen while still spewing abuse at "those people who should not be in our country"

His response,a quiet but affirmative, repeated.. " maam, just shut up and go away!" (while pointing her in the direction of a quiet area) after a while she realised she was not getting anywhere and slunk away!!

Yes I fear these scenes will become more frequent in what is becoming a very divisive year in Aus society.
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:21 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 31):
Yes I fear these scenes will become more frequent in what is becoming a very divisive year in Aus society.

I share that fear. And I can not but think that our politicians, people who are meant to represent all Australians and not just a minority interest, are in large part to blame.

In saying that I am not discounting the responsibility of individuals to think things out for themselves, but both major parties have been jumping on the band-wagon of difference. Instead of seeking to unite Australians behind a platform that advances the interests of all they have both chosen to go for the easier route of seeking scapegoats and isolating those who don't fit the mould.

So we see Gillard and Abbott trying to prove themselves on who is most determined to deter refugees. We both Gillard and Abbott refusing to countenance gay marriage in Australia and refusing to recognise those legally conducted overseas. In Abbott's desperation to play he racist card we see him linking crime in Sydney ( a state responsibility) to the Federal Labor Government. That might not matter were it not for the fact that the State of NSW has a Liberal Government, but the intention is clear: link crime with immigration. If Abbott were serious about crime he might question the policies of his own comrades in NSW, but no. Indirectly use race to condemn Gillard.

Both parties are pursuing strategies that will only increase intolerance towards ethnic minorities. To me that is far more important than a stupid, ignorant diatribe on a bus. I condemn the diatribe on the bus but unless our politicians reflect and recognise that their choice of concentrating on difference for electoral success fosters such attitudes, I do not see things improving.
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:55 am

Some of you may have seen this:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-says-australia-comfortably-racist

Kind of supports what I was saying earlier. I have meant plenty of racist Australians that would be completely surprised to hear that they are racist.

I once worked for a very iconic Australia tourism operator, and we were planning the welcome and intinerary of a senior government delagation from a South East Asian nation. My boss asked me to alter their intinerary because he wanted "to avoid the risk of exposing the visitors to Aboriginies in the street". This guy was at CEO level in a big company. This instruction was given to me in a meeting with about 10 people present, and all seemed to feel that this was an approriate strategy. I challenged a couple of them one on one after the meeting and they were offended at being labelled "racist".

If that's not racism, I am not sure what is.....
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:18 pm

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 33):
Some of you may have seen this:

I saw that, I am under no illusions there are racists in Australia, I know the problem is likely worse at the moment due to the devisive political environment.
And I am not proud of some things happening today in Australia but it remains one of the planet's better multicultural societies.
What really irritates me is the sanctimonius attitude of those from the land of the KKK, the UK and the racial dogfight it has become and worst of all the racist, mysoginistic, intolerant hellhole of the subcontinent.

Yes, we have work to do but you all have a ways to go!!

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Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:14 pm

There was something on the unspeakably awful Today Tonight (which pretends to be a current affairs show and don't ask why it was on our tv) last night amounting to a story about "How rich foreigners (generally from Asia) are stealing our land and driving out hard working real Aussie battlers through high prices." Afterwards, the host said something about Today Tonight being called racist and how it wasn't racist, but hard working real Aussie battlers had a right to know what was going on. The host, Helen Kapalos, is of Greek heritage and I remember how when I was a kid the "horror" of how some suburbs were "overrun" by immigrants from the Mediterranean countries to the detriment of Anglo-Saxon "decent Australians".

It would be kind of funny to see what fuss would be raised if ownership laws mirrored those of each investor's country (sorry, only 99 year leases for you and you sir need to transfer all IP to a local partner in the compulsory joint venture), just to point out the hypocrisy across the world, but generally speaking, these things are often blown out of proportion and are often only for the short term. Why, I remember when Australia was going to be wholly owned by the Japanese.  
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:00 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 35):
There was something on the unspeakably awful Today Tonight (which pretends to be a current affairs show and don't ask why it was on our tv) last night amounting to a story about "How rich foreigners (generally from Asia) are stealing our land and driving out hard working real Aussie battlers through high prices." Afterwards, the host said something about Today Tonight being called racist and how it wasn't racist, but hard working real Aussie battlers had a right to know what was going on. The host, Helen Kapalos, is of Greek heritage and I remember how when I was a kid the "horror" of how some suburbs were "overrun" by immigrants from the Mediterranean countries to the detriment of Anglo-Saxon "decent Australians".

It would be kind of funny to see what fuss would be raised if ownership laws mirrored those of each investor's country (sorry, only 99 year leases for you and you sir need to transfer all IP to a local partner in the compulsory joint venture), just to point out the hypocrisy across the world, but generally speaking, these things are often blown out of proportion and are often only for the short term. Why, I remember when Australia was going to be wholly owned by the Japanese.

It's funny. The only Australians that seemed to generally accept immigration with some level of grace, (initially), were the Aboriginies. And look how they are treated within society now.

I have a lot of Australian friends of Asian, Pacific Island, and European friends. At what point do they get to join the club of "little Aussie Battlers"?
 
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RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:46 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 14):
I don't think Australians are any more racist than people from any other western countries, every country has idiots like this.

I wish more productive Asians came to Finland instead of all the illiterate refugees we receive from Somalia and other such countries.

Difinitely your second sentence gives a lot of meaning to your first statement.
 
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RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:07 am

Quoting bogota (Reply 37):
Quoting pvjin (Reply 14):I don't think Australians are any more racist than people from any other western countries, every country has idiots like this.

I wish more productive Asians came to Finland instead of all the illiterate refugees we receive from Somalia and other such countries.
Difinitely your second sentence gives a lot of meaning to your first statement.

Oh yes! I missed this one! A clear example of how racism can become an ingrained, casual, accepted part of a national psysche.
 
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RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:25 am

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 32):
If Abbott were serious about crime he might question the policies of his own comrades in NSW, but no. Indirectly use race to condemn Gillard.

This just out today Quokkas.....

Apparently something the Libs are doing seems to be working lowest crime rates in 10 or 20 years ago.   

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/...-show-nsw-safer-than-20-years-ago/
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RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:38 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 39):
Apparently something the Libs are doing seems to be working

Yes, indeed. This incident is an example of how the leaders of major parties are prepared to play the race card in an endeavour to attract votes. They seek to profit from making racism acceptable.

And the report reinforces how much Abbott simply shoots from the hip without checking if the target is in sight. He chose to link immigration with crime in New South Wales and attribute blame to Gillard, without bothering to check any facts. Perhaps he should apologise to his comrades in NSW.
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RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:22 pm

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 29):
At least the gentleman that was the target of her abuse can go away believing it to be an isolated incident with some nutcase

The woman involved in this incident has now been charged by police and is due to appear in Court.

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She has been charged with using obscene language in a public place, and with behaving in a riotous manner in a public place.

The woman was granted bail and will appear in court next month.

It will be interesting to hear what, if any excuses she comes up with to justify her outburst or whether she will play the "I'm really sorry" act.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-1...ged-over-racist-train-rant/4635938
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RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:29 pm

This incident isn't surprising. Having spoken with a few people who lived in Australia, most have made it pretty clear that racism there is more open and more prevalent than in North America. Which is sad actually, considering how beautiful the country is.

Hopefully, more could be done to prevent incidents like this in future.

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