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Any Tobacco Snuff Fans Here?

Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:09 pm

Having given up smoking (two months just about now, all going great there), I do nonetheless continue to indulge my occasional snuff habit.

My favourite would be Wilsons of Sharrow Extra Menthol Snuff. I also like McChrystal's Clove.

I like the paraphernalia, snuff boxes, spoons and such. Is there anyone else here who takes the occasional pinch of snuff? If so, what are your preferred brands and flavours?

I know it's still bad for you, but I think the odd pinch of snuff still has to be way better for you than smoking regularly. It also still has the air of a nice, gentlemanly habit, which I also appreciate.
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:06 pm

No, and I've never smoked.
But one of my colleagues, a German, who smokes, tells me that the Swedish "snus" is the best snuff around. I think snuff is "healthier" than smoking, so if you'll continue with snuff, it might be worth seeking some of this out.

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RE: Any Tobacco Snuff Fans Here?

Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:15 pm

Quoting signol (Reply 1):
But one of my colleagues, a German, who smokes, tells me that the Swedish "snus" is the best snuff around. I think snuff is "healthier" than smoking, so if you'll continue with snuff, it might be worth seeking some of this out.

Snus is a slightly different beast - moist, pliable, and generally packed under your upper lip or inside your cheek. Not great for teeth, and probably a higher risk of mouth cancer vs. nose cancer give the extended period of contact. Still nice though, have tried it a few times in Norway.
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:12 am

I used to use chewing tobacco, long cut, used skaol spearmint, Copenhagen straight, and redman. Chewed up my gums and quit a few months ago.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:52 am

I smoke cigarettes. I went through a very brief "dip" phase and stopped as it really is disgusting.
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RE: Any Tobacco Snuff Fans Here?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:27 pm

Quoting MrCazzy (Reply 3):
chewing tobacco
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4):
dip

I don't think he's talking about dip (moist snuff) or chewing tobacco. Dry snuff is actually inhaled.

I used to do snuff daily and still do it occasionally. My favorite is Poeschl's Red Bull, it has a nice strong kick to it. I'd like to get my hands on some of the mysterious White Elephant snuff though. It's made in India and is also said to be available in parts of Russia. There are individuals willing to ship it to Europe but prices are pretty steep.
 
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RE: Any Tobacco Snuff Fans Here?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting Koosi (Reply 5):

I don't think he's talking about dip (moist snuff) or chewing tobacco. Dry snuff is actually inhaled.

Exactly, though it needn't be dry necessarily - snuff comes in a variety of moistures and grinds. But the thing is, people abuse the word 'snuff'. It's not chewing tobacco, it's not dip, it's not snus - it's snuff - nasal snuff, taken by sniffing.
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RE: Any Tobacco Snuff Fans Here?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:17 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Exactly, though it needn't be dry necessarily - snuff comes in a variety of moistures and grinds.

Yeah, I know, I just used that to illustrate the difference between dip and nasal snuff  
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
people abuse the word 'snuff'. It's not chewing tobacco, it's not dip, it's not snus - it's snuff - nasal snuff, taken by sniffing.

  
 
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RE: Any Tobacco Snuff Fans Here?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:22 pm

Quoting Koosi (Reply 7):
Yeah, I know, I just used that to illustrate the difference between dip and nasal snuff

  

Have you tried many different varieties? I'm more of a menthol fan than anything else, though I do like Poeschl Ozona Orange - it's intensely orangey, with a light, background menthol. It's delicious - and it lingers a long time. If anything, perhaps a little too long - you need to plan if you're going to eat something totally contrasting, for example!
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Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:32 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Exactly, though it needn't be dry necessarily - snuff comes in a variety of moistures and grinds. But the thing is, people abuse the word 'snuff'. It's not chewing tobacco, it's not dip, it's not snus - it's snuff - nasal snuff, taken by sniffing.

Well, I learned something today. Had no idea that snuff was inhaled (or snorted, to use the common drug term).

Don't think I could ever even try it. The thought of snorting anything is utterly unpleasant.
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Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:47 pm

Never had the orange Ozona but I found the cherry one to be pretty mild. I haven't really tried that many varieties to be honest, I liked Red Bull's kick (and price) so I decided to stick to it. You should definitely try that one if you're a menthol fan.
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:15 pm

Snuff is much better than cigarettes. You don't annoy everyone around you with that horrible horrible smell.

I wish smokers would be able to do this or chewing tobacco instead.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 9):
Don't think I could ever even try it. The thought of snorting anything is utterly unpleasant.

Not as much as smoking something if you ask me. Especially something that smells as bad as cigarettes.
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:16 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
nice, gentlemanly habit

Sorry to be "that guy" that says this, but:

what the hell? It is a nice, gentlemanly habit?
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RE: Any Tobacco Snuff Fans Here?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:38 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 12):
Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
nice, gentlemanly habit

Sorry to be "that guy" that says this, but:

what the hell? It is a nice, gentlemanly habit?

Hahaha I was thinking the same thing. I've heard of cigars being gentlemanly (I'll have one once a year or less just for kicks) nothing other than that
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RE: Any Tobacco Snuff Fans Here?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:54 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
Sorry to be "that guy" that says this, but:

what the hell? It is a nice, gentlemanly habit?
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
I've heard of cigars being gentlemanly (I'll have one once a year or less just for kicks) nothing other than that
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RE: Any Tobacco Snuff Fans Here?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:11 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 9):
Had no idea that snuff was inhaled (or snorted, to use the common drug term).

'Snorted' really is the wrong word. If you 'snort' the average snuff then you will immediately end up with a throat/sinus full of tobacco, which will be both painful and unpleasant. A light sniff to keep it in the nose (depending on the grind or moisture, for some drier and finer varieties barely any appreciable sniff is actually required) is all that is needed.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 12):
what the hell? It is a nice, gentlemanly habit?

   It had such a reputation, yes. Hence why there are so many valuable antique snuff boxes being collected and in many cases fetching absurd prices at auction. Like I said, this is not chewing tobacco we're talking about.
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Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:05 pm

I am so confused by this, you sniff the stuff? I can't imagine and I'm someone who probably wouldn't have much of a problem sniffing other powdery substances....

Anyways I often use chewing tabacco, I'm a mint Skoal kind of guy. My wife HATES the stuff with a passion and on a long vacation to Europe I realized on the DEN-ORD part of our DEN-ORD-LHR-LCA flight I had forgot to sneak it into my bag, so I search the gift shops at ORD and can find nothing. I figure the Hilton would have some so I attempt to run to the hotel and of course don't make it and manage to make a 767 full of people mad that I delayed their flight. That's my chew story!
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:34 pm

Quoting ual747den (Reply 16):
I figure the Hilton would have some so I attempt to run to the hotel and of course don't make it and manage to make a 767 full of people mad that I delayed their flight. That's my chew story!

You'll only find chewing tobacco (snus in Europe) in thee countries, Norway, Sweden and Åland, it's illegal everywhere else.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:07 pm

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 17):
You'll only find chewing tobacco (snus in Europe) in thee countries, Norway, Sweden and Åland, it's illegal everywhere else.

Sort of. Firstly, I'd point out that snus and chewing tobacco are slightly different beasts, both in how they are prepared (snus is cured using steam in a process that results in significantly lower levels of nitrosamines and various other horrid compounds) and in how they are used. Snus is not generally chewed, rather wadded in the mouth and left to infuse.

Also, it's not exactly correct to say that snus is 'illegal' elsewhere in Europe. Commercial import/export into or from other EU countries other than Sweden is what is prohibited. There is absolutely no law preventing me from going snus shopping in Sweden and bringing my purchases home to the UK, for example.

In any event, it's an idiotic situation when movement of smoking products is freely allowed within the EU and is far more harmful. There's a fair chance that the prohibition will be lifted in the future, though who knows with the EU....
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:40 pm

When I was growing-up in Atlanta in the early '50's Atlanta still had a "deep south" mentality. It was nothing like the huge metropolis it has become. Anyway, it was not unusual to go into someone's home and see a big snuff-jar on a table or mantle somewhere.
My folks kept a jar of "Bruton" brand snuff on the mantle in the living room for guests who wanted a "dip".(There was also a fine crystal dish on the coffee table that was divided into two compartments. One side had Winston cigarettes and the other side Salems.) Most of the time the only person "hitting" on that snuff jar with regularity was our housekeeper. She loved it.
Tobacco, in every form, was very much a part of life for most southerners in those days.

I recall the "spitoons" amongst the rows of seats at the old Atlanta airport. Nasty. My mother wouldn't let us near one. Of course, there were ashtrays everywhere for the smokers as well. Every once in a while you would see a "boy" or "girl" come along to clean them. That is what they called black employees back then------no matter what age they were. Duh!

I remember all the airlines offered miniature packs of different cigarettes on board the aircraft and in their "lounges". I don't recall a "dip" or "chew" being offered.

I can also tell you that after a lengthy career as a Funeral Service Professional I have seen a lot of the much less glamorous effects of tobacco use. I've seen people missing their tongues, larnyx, whole lower mandible, etc. I don't know how they survived as long as they did but it must have been a horrible death. Then there are all of the cardio-vascular issues, allergies, etc.

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Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:41 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
Also, it's not exactly correct to say that snus is 'illegal' elsewhere in Europe. Commercial import/export into or from other EU countries other than Sweden is what is prohibited. There is absolutely no law preventing me from going snus shopping in Sweden and bringing my purchases home to the UK, for example.

You can easily buy it online for delivery to any EU country. You just have to tick a box that says it will be used as chewing tobacco and not for its intended use! It's a legal loophole which I still don't fully understand...
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 20):
You can easily buy it online for delivery to any EU country. You just have to tick a box that says it will be used as chewing tobacco and not for its intended use! It's a legal loophole which I still don't fully understand...

I'm sure people are doing that, but I'd be very dubious about whether that's totally legit. In any event, I think hopefully if I go to Norway in the next couple of months I'll be able to get a 6-hr stop in Sweden on the way back, long enough to leave the airport in Stockholm and get some snus to take back intra-EU to the UK!
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:00 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 15):
'Snorted' really is the wrong word. If you 'snort' the average snuff then you will immediately end up with a throat/sinus full of tobacco, which will be both painful and unpleasant. A light sniff to keep it in the nose (depending on the grind or moisture, for some drier and finer varieties barely any appreciable sniff is actually required) is all that is needed.

Oh, fair enough then. Thanks for the info.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:18 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 21):
I think hopefully if I go to Norway in the next couple of months I'll be able to get a 6-hr stop in Sweden on the way back, long enough to leave the airport in Stockholm and get some snus to take back intra-EU to the UK!

Snus is cheaper tax free in Norway than it is in Sweden, so no need to leave the airport and run around Stockholm looking for snus, which you can by tax free in the airport anyway. Now the smart person loads up with the maximum allowance in OSL then buys more in ARN. This is what I do for a couple of guys I work with.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:12 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 21):
I'm sure people are doing that, but I'd be very dubious about whether that's totally legit. In any event, I think hopefully if I go to Norway in the next couple of months I'll be able to get a 6-hr stop in Sweden on the way back, long enough to leave the airport in Stockholm and get some snus to take back intra-EU to the UK!

It's completely legit. Before the loophole needed to be created, you could openly buy snus and have it shipped to any EU country, as it's only illegal to SELL it outside Sweden. When buying online, you were buying from Sweden and then there's free movement between countries. One of the major online shops was then closed down though (thanks to the anti-smoking lobbies), and a new EU directive said they couldn't ship to other EU countries anymore. A loophole was then created where cans of snus were labelled as "chewing tobacco" in the warehouse, and if you ticked a box saying you'd use them as chewing tobacco, they could be shipped to you. The best thing is, you pay less tax on the "specially labelled" snus as chewing tobacco actually has less tax. You can get 10 cans for £22 incl. shipping to the UK, which is a bargain at £2.20 per can.

http://www.northerner.com

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 24):
It's completely legit. Before the loophole needed to be created, you could openly buy snus and have it shipped to any EU country, as it's only illegal to SELL it outside Sweden. When buying online, you were buying from Sweden and then there's free movement between countries. One of the major online shops was then closed down though (thanks to the anti-smoking lobbies), and a new EU directive said they couldn't ship to other EU countries anymore. A loophole was then created where cans of snus were labelled as "chewing tobacco" in the warehouse, and if you ticked a box saying you'd use them as chewing tobacco, they could be shipped to you. The best thing is, you pay less tax on the "specially labelled" snus as chewing tobacco actually has less tax. You can get 10 cans for £22 incl. shipping to the UK, which is a bargain at £2.20 per can.

http://www.northerner.com

If you look closely at that site, you'll notice that many varieties are not available for delivery from inside the EU. SOME limited choice is available shipping it from Denmark, the other varieties sent from the USA. However, you should typically still pay duty on it as you are not transporting it yourself, you are having it sent to you. Certainly in the UK at least, even though smokeless tobacco doesn't bear duty normally, for personal import it is treated as though it does.
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Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:53 am

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 25):
If you look closely at that site, you'll notice that many varieties are not available for delivery from inside the EU. SOME limited choice is available shipping it from Denmark, the other varieties sent from the USA. However, you should typically still pay duty on it as you are not transporting it yourself, you are having it sent to you. Certainly in the UK at least, even though smokeless tobacco doesn't bear duty normally, for personal import it is treated as though it does.

They only recently took the major brands like General off the site, and it's temporary - they'll be restocking every major brand again next month for delivery within the EU. They had some logistical problems involving a warehouse move.

As for duty, well I've imported close to 30 orders into the UK and never paid taxes. Any packages coming from an EU country don't even have customs labels on and no tax is due.

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