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In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:53 am

After a few visits to Los Angeles, I'm convinced it's the most underrated major city in the world. (When was the last time you read or watched a detailed feature about LA, in contrast to say London, Paris or New York?) For a start, A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains. Looking out at the sprawling metropolis below, crisscrossed with more freeways than some entire countries have, it thrills me to think it's also home to the same number of people as some countries, like Australia.

Then, of course, there is its spectacular setting: a vast plain with a mountain range rippling through it, dramatically ending at the Pacific Ocean. Forget the old-world classics of Paris, Rome and Venice; LA's beauty is of the 20th century kind, designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate. Wide, open boulevards. Winding, narrow mountain roads. Palm trees everywhere, sometimes in the most unlikely places. And then there are the homes! Some of the most opulent in the world, built in every architectural style imaginable, from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.

For me, the city has a whimsical, almost surreal quality which I've never experienced anywhere else in the world.

I've noticed many A-netters are based in or have visited LA, so I thought this post would be the ideal place to celebrate this remarkable city.

To Los Angeles!
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:20 am

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate.



Translation: tacky strip-mall on every corner.   

I appreciate your admiration but personally I think it's an overcrowded, dirty, traffic-congested dump.......and slapping down some palm trees doesn't "pretty" it up at all. JMHO.
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:36 am

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains

Only in winter, if you happen to be on the right side of the plane to see it!

It's far too spread out for me.. I've only ever gone into the city center for things like the Auto Show and for basketball games and to be honest, I don't feel like I'm missing out on much either. I also couldn't believe how cold the water was in September when I was there last! I guess I thought of the California coast to be too much like Hawaii...

They do have one good thing though - the In-N-Out on South Sepulveda Blvd under the approach for the 24s 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:56 am

Now I have to pay for FirstClass membership here, for the purpose of adding icanfly to my RU list.

Los Angeles was where I moved to when I was a teenager who'd just been kicked out of casa (and didn't know if he was gonna end up homeless or what, therefore had to go somewhere warm  ). It's a tremendously meaningful place for me and I remember it with all the zeal and vigor I first brought to it when I was making it my chosen home. The Los Angeles Times isn't the newspaper it was back then, but back then it was an impossibly insightful, incisive, perspicuous daily masterpiece. I couldn't believe I could pick it up for 35¢ and score as much superb reading material as if I'd just dropped $100 in a bookstore - every. single. day.

African Theater from the BBC Africa Service was aired by KCRW-FM, the college-affiliated, NPR-affiliated radio station out of Santa Monica; the station also brought us Morning Becomes Eclectic   every weekday.

I was fascinated by the topography of the place - Los Angeles a place where the desert nearly meets the ocean, and the mountains meet the canyons.

It's a place that helped this boy meet manhood.

I wish I had more time to flesh out this here encomium, but for now, I just wanted to give props to icanfly for having the cajones to come out and say the truth about one of our country's majorly awesome and oft-wrongly-maligned urbs.

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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:32 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):
I just wanted to give props to icanfly for having the cajones to come out and say the truth about one of our country's majorly awesome and oft-wrongly-maligned urbs

Thank you so much Airstud for sharing your very personal connection with Los Angeles. It feels great to see someone else feels the same    For years before I actually visited LA, I'd noticed nearly everyone who had been there complained about it...johnboy's comment is typical.

Then, when I actually visited for the first time, I couldn't believe those people were talking about the same city! For me it was the most magical place I'd ever been. I started this thread in the hope others who feel the same will come forward and share their love too.

One repeated complaint I hear is about the freeways. But for me, they are beautiful. Like rivers of freedom, they sweep across the plains, down to the sea and through the mountains, linking distant communities. Even more than the Statue of Liberty, they are the ultimate symbol of American liberty...they carry hundreds of thousands of people wherever they want to go, at any time of the day or night.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:29 am

I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful. A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty. Oh well, to each his own. I hate LA but then I despise all cities equally.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:31 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):

I was fascinated by the topography of the place - Los Angeles a place where the desert nearly meets the ocean, and the mountains meet the canyons.

I think it is because I grew up in a place that really doesn't have much of that (though a lot of nice man-made stuff) that I really do appreciate that more here. One thing I love about town is how (when the smog's not out) you can just see so damned far. From the Ralph's I shop at, you can see Catalina from one side and out almost to Oxnard from the other. From other local spots, you can see out to San Berdo one way, and down past Long Beach, Orange County, and to the Mountains near San Diego the other (it's slightly elevated where I live so that helps). On the East Coast, there simply aren't vistas like that.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):
For years before I actually visited LA, I'd noticed nearly everyone who had been there complained about it...johnboy's comment is typical.

People complain about everywhere. I'm sure there's someone who will tell you what a shithole Aspen is, or how much they can't stand Nice, or how run down Cape Town is.

When my company transferred me back out to LA, I knew what I was getting into, warts and all. But I still love it out here. You're right, it's a beautiful town and nothing like the cultural wasteland people want it to be.

One thing I also like about it is that despite the "rep" as a plastic, lily consumer nest, it's actually a pretty industrial town too. We have the nation's largest Deepwater Seaport here, some of the largest rail junctions and yards in the world, refineries all over the place, factories too, and even a good amount of Oil Drilling operations, both off-shore and on. If you're into urb-ex at all, and/or like industrial looking backdrops for your photography, this place has all of that in spades. We may not be quite the equal of Detroit in that way, but it isn't all Lawyers and Talent Agents either.

In all seriousness, I firmly believe that LA County could very easily function as it's own country if it ever had to. There really is that much going on here.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):

One repeated complaint I hear is about the freeways. But for me, they are beautiful. Like rivers of freedom, they sweep across the plains, down to the sea and through the mountains, linking distant communities.

I'd certainly like to see more rail mass transit here (though it is a lot better now than it has been), but yes, our freeways are a lot more useful than folks acknowledge.

Our roads are generally pretty good here too. I've noticed a lot of municipalities, especially near where I live going to white LED lighting for their street lamps lately. I hope this really catches on.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:49 pm

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):

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You, sir, are welcome to take my spot here in Los Angeles.

What a terrible city. One of the only good things is:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):

African Theater from the BBC Africa Service was aired by KCRW-FM, the college-affiliated, NPR-affiliated radio station out of Santa Monica; the station also brought us Morning Becomes Eclectic  every weekday.

My favorite radio station. That's all I listen to.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:23 pm

The setting are nice and some areas are no doubt very nice places to live.

As a tourist it's not really obvious what to do or where to go. It doesn't feel like a city, just a never ending sprawl of urban area. You need a car to get anywhere, the transport is appalling and it lacks pedestrian friendly areas. Roads dominate the place, you feel like an ant walking around at the mercy of cars.

I don't hate it but nothing really draws me there. It's a convenient base for the SoCal area so i'm usually in a good mood if i'm there because i know i'm not far away from much nicer areas.
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:41 pm

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
After a few visits to Los Angeles, I'm convinced it's the most underrated major city in the world.

  

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Forget the old-world classics of Paris, Rome and Venice; LA's beauty is of the 20th century kind, designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate.

Exactly. Screw that old shit and it's "character." Make it big, make it useful, make it air conditioned, and make it with a big parking lot.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):
One repeated complaint I hear is about the freeways. But for me, they are beautiful. Like rivers of freedom, they sweep across the plains, down to the sea and through the mountains, linking distant communities.

Right again. And for that matter, how many movies have been made about taking the bus?

Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty.

Mountains mostly get in the way, trees are mostly useless unless you cut it down and turn it into a table, boulders roll to inconvenient places, and women complain a lot.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6):
In all seriousness, I firmly believe that LA County could very easily function as it's own country if it ever had to. There really is that much going on here.

...and Orange County would like to function as their own country.

Truthfully, the whole eco-hipster BS has infected many places and LA didn't seem especially worse than anywhere else.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:56 pm

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate.

Indeed. Build a metropolis in a semi-desert, and deal with perpetual water shortages.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
For a start, A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains.

Absolutely not. Approaching LA at night is the way to go. During the day, you see the disgusting brown soup you are about to start breathing in. At night, you just see a beautiful vast sea of lights, and the smog can pass for fog or clouds.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Palm trees everywhere

I thought that was awesome at first, too. Until I realized palm trees are the most useless trees in existence.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Some of the most opulent in the world, built in every architectural style imaginable, from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.

And, of course, the vast swaths of tract homes and McMansions.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:29 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Mountains mostly get in the way,

Interesting (to me) aside on this...

Aside from one year in the Midwest I have always lived within a short distance of either the Atlantic Ocean or the Great Lakes, which has given me a kind of geographical agoraphobia.

If I were to live somewhere other than near the sea I would probably have to live near mountains, specifically because they get in the way!
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:51 pm

Quoting johnboy (Reply 1):

Translation: tacky strip-mall on every corner.

er -- that'd Orange County..

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
You, sir, are welcome to take my spot here in Los Angeles.

What a terrible city

Take his place!

Butbe warned, you may have to assume his place at the Catholic school to which he makes a daily grueling arduous trek.

Having lived on the east coast, been to every large city in America (500K or more) and 41 of the 50 states (incl Alaska & Hawaii plus Guam and PR)... there is simply no better place in the USA to live if you like a thriving and vibrant city where all things are possible. And you can handle the periodic earthquakes. It's a great party city if you're 'in the know', a great sporting city for anything to do mountain activity to those of the seas. The hottest women come here chasing film dreams (as do the guys) where you can break your neck and your lunch grow cold because you're so busy looking (that is if you're not yet accustomed). The Wilshire Corridor can fill that need of living in a Manhattan-like elegant highrise. It is the only place you can step out to let a Prius driver have it for taking up too much space by awkward parking .. and it be driven by a celebrity. You're sure to bump into your favorite porn star in a nightclub or at the beach. It is also a huge pet-owner city with dog parks everywhere including a dedicated doggy beach (ok, that's in OC too) but you can get away with it in Marina Del Rey if you know where to go. Mastering the stunning Pacific Coast highway drive on one of many perfect days with the right car can only be rivaled by a drive along the Amalfi coast.

Although, like every major city on earth, it has it's bad sections of town (you really need a car to get to the majority of them) and too many Prius drivers, there is no question it is the best place to live IMHO. And having LAX nearby is the icing on the cake. A very hard to beat combo!

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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:04 pm

I lived in Los Angeles for a brief period in the mid-1980s after having attended college in northern California. Compared with the San Francisco bay area I found L.A. to be a letdown in terms of the vibrancy of its culture. I enjoyed the southern California weather but felt L.A. was somewhat soulless when compared to the bay area. Upon reflection I now realize most of my dissatisfaction with Los Angeles was a function of my unhappiness in my job. If I had to do it over again I would try to leave my job stress behind and enjoy what southern California had to offer. I think I missed out on what L.A. had in its favor and wouldn't mind having the chance to try over under different circumstances.
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:18 pm

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 13):
Upon reflection I now realize most of my dissatisfaction with Los Angeles was a function of my unhappiness in my job. If I had to do it over again I would try to leave my job stress behind and enjoy what southern California had to offer. I think I missed out on what L.A. had in its favor and wouldn't mind having the chance to try over under different circumstances.

An admirable admission.

And I find a majority of the LA haters have similar baggage that they'd rather omit... and focus on complaining.

But you are indeed correct on this..

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 13):
but felt L.A. was somewhat soulless when compared to the bay area

If you are floundering, this is will be a front and center & accurate observation. But NYC is the same exact way, you must be connected in some way to avoid that trap. The Bay Area is unique in that aspect, it seems to offer community in a way that actually reaches or calls out to the person that needs it most - any time, all the time. LA is somewhat souless due to the competitive pressures 'we place upon one another' in unspoken competition. Your insecurities must be kept in check to survive here or it will overwhelm you and send you packing.

Visitors having a bad spell, well all I can say to that is... you most likely have bad spells everywhere you go or resort to better planning skills.

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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:35 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
Having lived on the east coast, been to every large city in America (500K or more) and 41 of the 50 states (incl Alaska & Hawaii plus Guam and PR)... there is simply no better place in the USA to live if you like a thriving and vibrant city where all things are possible.

Is the air quality as big a deal as it's made out to be? I only visited LA one time (by sea) and I don't remember it.
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:05 pm

I'm a cityboy through and through, but my thoughts about LA? Meh...

I don't have any reason to hate it, but I don't have any reason to love it either. If I had one complaint it's that the sprawl is out of hand. I prefer to see cities build up rather than build out. Also, the pollution there is pretty nasty, but it's not going to stop me from going there.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 8):
I don't hate it but nothing really draws me there. It's a convenient base for the SoCal area so i'm usually in a good mood if i'm there because i know i'm not far away from much nicer areas.

   My thoughts exactly.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
how many movies have been made about taking the bus?

Speed  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
trees are mostly useless unless you cut it down and turn it into a table
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
women complain a lot

Yeah! Who needs breathable air or reproduction, anyway?

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6):
In all seriousness, I firmly believe that LA County could very easily function as it's own country if it ever had to. There really is that much going on here.

What about "going on" would make it a successful country? The only way LA would ever survive as a country is if they became a free trade zone. I honestly can't think of any other way.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting Smittyone (Reply 15):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
Having lived on the east coast, been to every large city in America (500K or more) and 41 of the 50 states (incl Alaska & Hawaii plus Guam and PR)... there is simply no better place in the USA to live if you like a thriving and vibrant city where all things are possible.

Is the air quality as big a deal as it's made out to be? I only visited LA one time (by sea) and I don't remember it.

yes and no...depending on where you live.

If you live in the San Fernando, La Cresenta or San Gabriel Valleys and about 5-7 miles in from the Orange County shoreline... on a bad smoggy day, you're on the crappy end of business. It's really gonna suck.

Hollywood from about La Brea Av (running north/south) all the way down to Ladera Heights (just northeast of LAX).. it's gonna suck, then the n/s delineation line moves east towards the Western avenue (n/s divide) because all communities along the shoreline about 5-10 miles in - receive a constant off shore breeze keeping all that pollution at a distance (and blowing all our pollution eastward trapping it up against the eastern range of mountains. So looking at a map, Malibu heading down to Pacific Palisades, Brentwood, Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, West LA (to La Brea) Marina Del Rey, most of Culver City, LAX, all Beach Cities (Manhattan, Hermosa and Reodndo) are spared of smog almost entirely. When we get the rare Santa Ana winds (Oct, Nov thru now Apr) also known as on shore winds, the flow comes from the east or mountain areas - bringing a good deal of the inland smog to coastal areas.

But even then, on it's worse day... it' never as bad in the smog-free areas as it normally is in the east basin regions I mentioned above.

The Valley areas above are just horrific on smoggy days, it gets trapped with the mountains serving as a huge wall boxing in smog with little wind to disperse it. Add some serious heat to it and it becomes unbearable.. but that's where the super cheap rent is located and now you know the reason why. I hope you get the picture.

Many visitors totally confuse the Marine layer (low cloud cover from the Pacific) as smog because they get up in sunny Hollywood or some inner city region - head to the beach and become crestfallen because there's no sun and the sky is grey.

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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 17):
Many visitors totally confuse the Marine layer (low cloud cover from the Pacific) as smog because they get up in sunny Hollywood or some inner city region - head to the beach and become crestfallen because there's no sun and the sky is grey.

Marine layer is white or gray. Smog has a distinct brownish tint.  

By the way, regarding my previous post, I actually live in the LA area, and although there's plenty to dislike, the weather near the coast (where I live) makes up for just about all of it.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:24 pm

I lived there for 15 years. I go back because I have family & friends there.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains.



Only a few days out of the year do you get that experience. It's best just minutes after the rain storm ends which dumps tons of snow on the mountains. Then the next day it's back to the brown, hazy smog.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
And then there are the homes! Some of the most opulent in the world, built in every architectural style imaginable, from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.



That I can agree with!
I'm a fan of the mid-20th century era homes, particularly the Joseph Eichler homes often found in Granada Hills, Thousand Oaks and Orange. Lot's of other nice ranch style homes of this era in the Hastings Ranch area of Pasadena, Ladera Heights and in Palos Verdes.



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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
I also couldn't believe how cold the water was in September when I was there last! I guess I thought of the California coast to be too much like Hawaii...


The current comes from Alaska. The waters off the coast of California is not tropical - hence why they never get hurricanes.

Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful.


There are a few. I like I-210 between Pasadena and San Fernando.
Also the I-280 between South San Francisco to San Jose is a beautiful freeway too. That's up in the Bay Area.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 8):
Roads dominate the place, you feel like an ant walking around at the mercy of cars.


Only homeless people walk in LA.
Even in the song 'Walking In LA' says; "only a nobody walks in LA".

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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Exactly. Screw that old shit and it's "character." Make it big, make it useful, make it air conditioned, and make it with a big parking lot.



  
I've already seen most of Europe. It feels more like an extravagant school feild trip.
The old world charm of Europe would be more appealing if it wasn't so expensive and full of cigarette smoking, anti-American socialist.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 10):
I thought that was awesome at first, too. Until I realized palm trees are the most useless trees in existence.


  

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
er -- that'd Orange County..


...and San Fernando Valley, San Gabriel Valley, West Covina, Pomona as well as Torrance, Carson, Lomita, Manhattan Beach, Cerritos, Lakewood and all other south adjacent cities which are all in Los Angeles county.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:24 pm

Having lived around the globe I opted to make Los Angeles my primary home over 20-years ago.

Frankly, its probably one of the best balanced places I have ever experienced.

Yes its huge - Los Angeles County alone has 88 individual municipalities without even getting into more distant areas like Orange County.

However its exactly this vastness that creates such incredible diversity in living styles. Each city and even sub section of the 88 cities has its own style and flavor driven by geography, economics and types of people and industry.

One can chose to pursue such radically different type of life styles in a single place is pretty unique. For example you can have an entirely flip flop and shorts lifestyle in many beach communities, to high rise luxury living, to ranch style homes, to desert and mountain living, or little town America suburbs all within a few miles of each other.

The geography combined with weather also provide for an incredible amount of outdoor activities. Again from the beach to hiking the many great canyon trails, to vast outdoor parks, to desert camping, or mountain skiing.

And yes economically the area is as diverse also. With Americas largest port, one of the largest airports, huge manufacturing base, large petro chemical industry, aerospace and technology, to heart of the worlds entertainment industry you will also find yourself surrounded by very diverse populace. LA is far from being a single industry town like many other places.

Speaking of population of the 18 million or so folks on broader Los Angeles, according to census there were 224 individual languages identified - this creates a very diverse social base with positive side benefits in things like the local food scene, arts, entertainment, etc.

Oh and yes, there weather is indeed fanstastic. Rarely too hot, and very rare below anything I would term "mild".

  

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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:27 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 18):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 17):
Many visitors totally confuse the Marine layer (low cloud cover from the Pacific) as smog because they get up in sunny Hollywood or some inner city region - head to the beach and become crestfallen because there's no sun and the sky is grey.

Marine layer is white or gray. Smog has a distinct brownish tint.

I know that.

You know that

Now they need to print that in the LA Visitors Guides and publish it on websites... you give visitors too much credit in thinking they're that smart. You have no idea how many times I've heard human beings calling marine layer ..smog!

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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:31 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 21):
I know that.

You know that

Now they need to print that in the LA Visitors Guides and publish it on websites... you give visitors too much credit in thinking they're that smart. You have no idea how many times I've heard human beings calling marine layer ..smog!

Oh, I know. I was just posting it for the benefit of anyone else reading.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):

I like that you posted the Brady's house!   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Only a few days out of the year do you get that experience.

It's quite a bit more than that now. You can see the mountains just about the whole winter (assuming it's not cloudy). They're not always snow-capped (not too much of that this year), but the air is getting cleaner, slowly.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:59 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 22):
I like that you posted the Brady's house!



That is the quintessential southern California house.  
I know I like to knock Los Angeles a lot but there are some good things about the place. I think LA has the best drivers as long as it's not raining.
I learned to drive there back when you could get a driver's license at age 16, schools had money for cars and driver's ed was required for graduation. I'm sure that's all been replaced by poetry and green studies courses now.

LA has a great selection of Mexican food all throughout, Persian food in West LA and the world's only Thaitown.
I also like the auto-wrecking yards (junk yards) in SoCal.
Since cars is such an integral part of SoCal life, there are plenty of wrecking yards with a great selection of car parts for very cheap.

Vikkyvik, you may appreciate this but Los Angeles has to have the world's cheapest musical instruments!
Thanks to all those bands that fail and have addictions to support, there is a glut of musical instruments and recording gear there.
In most places I travel, I like to check out the local music stores just to see their selection and prices. The guitar stores on Sunset near Guitar Center have an amazing selection of new and vintage guitars, basses, amps, analog & digital synthesizers, drums, effects pedals, percussion, etc.
The prices are bargain basement compared to other cities in the US and throughout the world. On my next trip, I'll be bringing back some gear for my friends here in Bangkok that are in bands. The cost for instruments here is criminal!
Fisher Price grade guitars go for about $500 here.   

I like the higher speed limits and longer straightaways on the freeways, access to the mountains in the winter and the beaches in the summer.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:25 pm

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
I've noticed many A-netters are based in or have visited LA, so I thought this post would be the ideal place to celebrate this remarkable city.

To Los Angeles!

Thank you for your fine comments!LA and California,IMHO,is overall,arguably,the most beautiful place on the planet!

But then,there are the politicians who trashed our state with incompetence,ultra liberal politics especially with social and welfare programs with illegal immigration and taxes,taxes and more taxes
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:56 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
I think LA has the best drivers as long as it's not raining.

  

Not a chance in hell. I despise driving on the freeways here, because someone manages to piss me off every mile.

A note to anyone driving in greater LA: please, PLEASE, do not park yourself in the left lane, going slower than the cars on your right, and refuse to move over and allow people to pass! Every time I'm on the freeway, I see people enter the freeway, and immediately move 3 lanes over to the left lane, and then just sit there. For no freaking reason! And then they don't move until their exit is coming up!!!!

Thankfully I don't have to use freeways to get to work every day...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
Vikkyvik, you may appreciate this but Los Angeles has to have the world's cheapest musical instruments!

That's what Craigslist is for.  
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:24 pm

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 24):
But then,there are the politicians who trashed our state with incompetence,ultra liberal politics especially with social and welfare programs with illegal immigration and taxes,taxes and more taxes


  
California politics has gone to hell in a hand-basket.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):
A note to anyone driving in greater LA: please, PLEASE, do not park yourself in the left lane


That must be a new thing because that is how San Francisco drivers behave.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):
That's what Craigslist is for.


???   
Craigslist is totally useless when dealing with heavy musical instruments that cost lot$ of money to be shipped. I like scoring finds that aren't listed on the Internet.
Craigslist is for local purchases of heavy and large items, 'hooking up' and getting rid of that dog that craps all over the floor.

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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
Craigslist is for local purchases of heavy and large items, 'hooking up' and getting rid of that dog that craps all over the floor.

Don't know what you're talking about. List of instruments I've purchased on Craigslist:

6 guitars
1 bass
1 keyboard
2 guitar amps
1 bass amp

If it's bulky or heavy to move, rent a U-Haul. I only shop locally on Craigslist.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:03 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 27):
I only shop locally on Craigslist.

Which is useless if you're in another country.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:32 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 27):
I only shop locally on Craigslist.

Which is useless if you're in another country.

OK, but you said you were bringing back instruments for friends of yours. No reason you can't purchase them on Craigslist and do that.

Anyway, point of my saying that in the first place is that I don't generally go to music shops. I shop for instruments on Craigslist.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:52 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 29):
No reason you can't purchase them on Craigslist and do that.

It's the shipping cost that will kill you. Many of those private sellers will not even bother shipping overseas.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:32 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Only homeless people walk in LA.
Even in the song 'Walking In LA' says; "only a nobody walks in LA".

Yeah, well, if I can't walk in a city, it's enough for me to hate it.

LA's the major city I'd least like to live in, at least in the US. You can't walk AND the traffic's bad. Maybe Mumbai (just an example) is worse.

Also, I think Rome and Paris are way overrated. Venice is not much better, but it's "special".
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:54 pm

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):
they carry hundreds of thousands of people wherever they want to go, at any time of the day or night.

Is there a different freeway system to the one I end up parked on for seemingly hours ?

LA is an endless urban sprawl , every main road lined with fast food outlets and convenience stores.
Immigration staff at LAX going all out for the miserable git of the year award and a coastal climate not half as good as they would like to make out.
The view on approach is nothing special, a few sky scrapers in the distance, and lots of bungalows.

LA wouldn't make it onto my US top 10, let alone the World. I would go so far as to say its the most over rated US city.
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:08 am

Yes I praise Los Angeles also.

Good Pacific gateway to America.

Very much fun things do and go. Lot of good shopping, entertainment and eating. Overall quite clean compared to US Eastern cities.

Many many nice individual communities - from Brentwood, Beverly Hills, Marina Del Rey, Pasadena, beach community like Manhattan or Redondo, Long Beach, Orange County, Santa Barbara, and many many more interesting and nice places.

Yes big, almost like its own country but it have many excellent highways. Very easy to navigate with plenty of roads and good signs.

And weather is truly fantastic. Not too much heat, zero humidity, and very rare to feel cold either.

I visit and see friends when I can.
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:11 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
Butbe warned, you may have to assume his place at the Catholic school to which he makes a daily grueling arduous trek.

Indeed!

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):
A note to anyone driving in greater LA: please, PLEASE, do not park yourself in the left lane, going slower than the cars on your right, and refuse to move over and allow people to pass! Every time I'm on the freeway, I see people enter the freeway, and immediately move 3 lanes over to the left lane, and then just sit there. For no freaking reason! And then they don't move until their exit is coming up!!!!

Hear, hear. I can't stand this.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):

Thankfully I don't have to use freeways to get to work every day...

I do...   
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:13 am

Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):


I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful. A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty. Oh well, to each his own. I hate LA but then I despise all cities equally.

I think they look beautiful when you look down upon them from above  .

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Right again. And for that matter, how many movies have been made about taking the bus?

Oh but dont you remember Speed, with a young Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock. And hey, it fits perfectly in this thread cause it was shot on an LA freeway and the bus ends up at LAX  .
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:40 pm

A couple points.

With LA having so many distinct sections, one can very easily spend your entire daily life in a single area and not need to venture far. I have plenty of friends that live their lives the the South Bay, or Westside, or parts of the Valley and rarely need to go beyond.

Which brings me to my other comment. For those that complain about traffic, it goes back to my first point. Yes LA County is huge - almost 5,000 sq miles. So why is it people torture themselves to drive from one end to the other?
Be smart, try to live and work within same general idea. Commuting 20, 50 or 100 miles per day is not fun anywhere, be it Dallas, South Florida, Chicago, etc so it wont be any different in LA.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:22 pm

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 35):
and the bus ends up at LAX

On, if I remember correctly, some backup runway or other.

Still have yet to find said backup runway.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 36):
So why is it people torture themselves to drive from one end to the other?

I have no idea. I have some coworkers who commute from Palmdale.....to TORRANCE.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:36 pm

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
I'm convinced it's the most underrated major city in the world. (

Your entire description is about a Los Angeles that hasn't existed in reality for many decades.
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:44 pm

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
orget the old-world classics of Paris, Rome and Venice; LA's beauty is of the 20th century kind, designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate. Wide, open boulevards. Winding, narrow mountain roads. Palm trees everywhere, sometimes in the most unlikely places.

It was only designed for the automobile because the car companies bought up the different municipal streetcar lines that served a vast portion of the city, and then dismantled them. L.A.'s current municipal rail system mirrors many of these earlier lines that were dismantled.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 10):
Indeed. Build a metropolis in a semi-desert, and deal with perpetual water shortages.

And start wars over water, too!

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 32):
LA wouldn't make it onto my US top 10, let alone the World. I would go so far as to say its the most over rated US city

That's because you don't know it's history. I am biased, having written my undergraduate thesis on California history (with a focus on Los Angeles). L.A. history is fascinating and wildly entertaining (lots of scandals and corruption), because there is nothing about that city that was preordained based on geography--it's existence as the U.S.' second largest metropolitan area is solely due the efforts of its citizens.
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:47 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 36):
try to live and work within same general idea.



Many people would love to. The problem is that their job may change and job location may change. Housing near their job my be too expensive. There are so many factors that lead to people being stuck in traffic. Most commuters do not want to be stuck in traffic but it's unavoidable for some.
Also, many here are exaggerating the traffic in Los Angeles. Many cities have traffic and when I visit LA, I manage to avoid traffic most of the time.

Quoting slider (Reply 38):
Your entire description is about a Los Angeles that hasn't existed in reality for many decades.

  
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:42 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Many people would love to. The problem is that their job may change and job location may change. Housing near their job my be too expensive. There are so many factors that lead to people being stuck in traffic. Most commuters do not want to be stuck in traffic but it's unavoidable for some.

But its still ultimately peoples choice as to where they live, or where they accept work.

Those that want the big cheap house in Palmdale, then along with it comes a long commute. So don't complain.

At the end of the day people need to make compromises, but cant blame society for their circumstances.
Basically either live more modestly, and or pick the job which matches your housing if traffic is something you cant deal with.
One can work in Beverly Hills, but still live rather cheaply only a few miles away.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Also, many here are exaggerating the traffic in Los Angeles. Many cities have traffic and when I visit LA, I manage to avoid traffic most of the time.

  

With some local knowledge particularly of side streets, I would say I rarely find myself stuck, or stressed out with traffic.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
With some local knowledge particularly of side streets, I would say I rarely find myself stuck, or stressed out with traffic.

I find myself stuck, but not stressed out. Don't see the point of getting stressed out about traffic. It's there, you're going to sit in it, and getting pissed off ain't gonna help anything.

But yeah, I've hit just as bad traffic in the Boston area. People just tend to drive shorter distances there.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:46 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 36):
ich brings me to my other comment. For those that complain about traffic, it goes back to my first point. Yes LA County is huge - almost 5,000 sq miles. So why is it people torture themselves to drive from one end to the other?

In an ideal world, sure. But we don't live in an ideal world, and for a myriad of reasons this won't work for everyone.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:22 pm

I can't wait to go back to LA in 2 months for grad school. I missed it a lot over the last few years. NYC can suck it  
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:27 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):

Not a chance in hell. I despise driving on the freeways here, because someone manages to piss me off every mile.

Really? That's kind of weird. I find that the freeways are usually better than a lot the surface roads, especially here, where it's one of the few areas where there isn't a freeway a block off. Yesterday, for example, coming down the hill to 110 took about 20 minutes longer than normal just because Anahiem was closed, with a tail back all the way up Palos Verdes East to Western. I U-turned outta there and back-hauled up to 1st & Gaffey, but it was still a pain...

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 37):
I have no idea. I have some coworkers who commute from Palmdale.....to TORRANCE.

Yeah seriously, at that point, they cannot be saving money. They better love living in Palmdale (since I guess someone has to) and working in Torrance. I think there are flights shorter than that.

Quoting us330 (Reply 39):
That's because you don't know it's history. I am biased, having written my undergraduate thesis on California history (with a focus on Los Angeles). L.A. history is fascinating and wildly entertaining (lots of scandals and corruption), because there is nothing about that city that was preordained based on geography--it's existence as the U.S.' second largest metropolitan area is solely due the efforts of its citizens.

I pretty much agree with that. The deepwater seaport at Long Beach is a natural gathering point, though you'd think that would have built up south central as opposed to actual Los Angeles... But yes, for the most part, this place is here because people wanted it to be, and for little other reason.

But it's not the only one like that! Dallas (Official City Motto: Seriously, where did all this stuff come from?), is much the same. While the rail yards helped a lot there, that's Ft Worth, thirty miles away. Wouldn't have made sense to just plop another whole town thirty miles east of that.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Also, many here are exaggerating the traffic in Los Angeles. Many cities have traffic and when I visit LA, I manage to avoid traffic most of the time.

I agree. It can get sticky sometimes, but even when bad, it's still not like trying to go from Rockville to Tyson's Corner at anytime between PM3 & PM8...

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 42):

But yeah, I've hit just as bad traffic in the Boston area. People just tend to drive shorter distances there.

Yup. It's rough a lot back east, and folks still take ridiculous commutes there too. When I worked and lived in DC, it was very common for people to commute all the way in from Fredneck & Hagerstown everyday, with trips like southern Pennsylvania being not unheard of.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 44):
I can't wait to go back to LA in 2 months for grad school. I missed it a lot over the last few years. NYC can suck it

It sure is great being here, no doubt. But it's not like NYC is some kind of hell either. That's another place I always liked...
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:43 am

Just like any other city, there's good and not so good places in LA, but overall it's not too bad in my opinion. I have relatives living there and they really like it and have no plans to move.


Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
For a start, A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains. Looking out at the sprawling metropolis below, crisscrossed with more freeways than some entire countries have, it thrills me to think it's also home to the same number of people as some countries, like Australia.

   I love flying in n out of LAX, looking down on the world's most spread-out city is just awesome, in fact I'm thinking to fly SAN-SFO just to enjoy LA from cruising altitude! 
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
They do have one good thing though - the In-N-Out on South Sepulveda Blvd under the approach for the 24s

   It's one of the good things LA has to offer, you can't beat watching the heavies land while enjoying an In-N-Out burger.


Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful. A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty. Oh well, to each his own. I hate LA but then I despise all cities equally.

If it's not congested, most folks who like cars would describe the freeways as beautiful, a different kinda beauty than a mountain or a tree of course. Driving on the freeway is far more enjoyable & economical than in the city.
 
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:35 am

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 46):
most folks who like cars would describe the freeways as beautiful, a different kinda beauty than a mountain or a tree of course.

Yes, exactly, that's how I feel. It's not the look of concrete as such but the exhilaration of being on them and covering long distances effortlessly.

In February, I took a taxi from LAX to Old Town Pasadena on a Sunday afternoon on the I-105 and I-110. The trip was around 30 miles. I expected to be sitting in the taxi for at least an hour, but to my surprise I arrived in only 25 minutes! Amazing. And it was scenic too - especially the Arroyo Secco Parkway as it climbs up through the foothills. Where I live (Melbourne, Australia), a trip like that would be much longer and more tedious with at least 40 traffic lights - alas, we lack a proper freeway network like LA's.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:48 am

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 46):
If it's not congested, most folks who like cars would describe the freeways as beautiful, a different kinda beauty than a mountain or a tree of course.

Yeah. The useful kind.
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RE: In Praise Of Los Angeles, California

Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:00 am

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 45):
sure is great being here, no doubt. But it's not like NYC is some kind of hell either. That's another place I always liked...

I beg the differ. NYC is definitely hell.
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