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Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:38 pm

I know I'll take heat and insults for this admittedly whining rant but so be it. My dealer, Toyota Of Morristown, offered a window tint option through them in August 2011 which I paid $299. for and which included tint on ALL side windows which I wanted to reduce interior heat, then unaware of the NJ window tint laws. I picked up my Prius in Sept. 2011, assuming all was legitimate with it. This past February, I was ticketed by an officer of the Hanover Township, NJ police force when I drove through their DMV checkpoint for having front driver and passenger side tinted windows, which I then learned are ILLEGAL in NJ. I was fined $54. and had to spend an unnecessary over 2 1/2 hours in court because that officer, #0761, Paul Gundersdorf, screwed up the ticket with a mandatory court appearance. Not only did he not apologize for his snafu, but local Judge Bryan O'Toole was unsympathetic and condescending when I tried to explain the facts. Moreover, I'm seething that an awful lot of drivers seem to be getting away with dark front tinted windows by having either PBA or "Go" cards apparently often issued to family members of cops to present if they get pulled over. I'm trying to get my dealer to get to the bottom of the 3rd party tinter's error but I already had them pull off the front side window tint since I felt I'd be ticketed again. I HATE the car without the tint in front; it's a lot hotter inside when parked in the sun now. Did I need to do that or should I have tried to get a PBA card with a donation to the local cops, also? I hate the idea of the PBA card; it's basically favoritism and denotes unfair enforcement of the law. However, full tinted windows are everywhere in NJ, despite the law. It amazes me that as long as I've been around, I didn't know about PBA cards or police shields on car windshields. I plan to make a complaint to the PD and the judge about my court appearance but I also plan to dig into the PBA card issue and whether it's being applied in my area. What do any of you think of this? Do you think I'm being ridiculous? Thought I'd take some heat for this but I'm soliciting opinions. It seems aftermarket window tinters around here will do all car windows, regardless of the illegality of tinting the fronts.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:56 pm

I have a pet peeve with tinted front and side windows. . Here in Hawaii it is allowed and it is infuriating to want to cross the street and not be able to see the driver to get 'eye contact' so he notices you. Too many times they are waiting for the pedestrian to cross and just sit there with the car stopped waiting for pedestrian to cross, When this happens to me I want to yell out "I CANT SEE YOU". This is even worse at night, I usually just wave them to go and will not move until they do so. Hawaii drivers are notorious for pedestrian accidents.

I think tinted windows should be banned. and in Hawaii allowing pax to sit open style in the back of a pickup zooming down the freeway is allowed too. crazy.

But sorry you had to go thru more hoops than you wanted to.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:13 am

I'll start by saying that the NJ law is a good one, for reasons of visibility (particularly at night). With that said, you should be very irritated with the dealer who did the tinting for not mentioning that it would be illegal in New Jersey (granted, lots of people buy cars in New Jersey that they'll drive in other states where the laws may be different, so I can see why they'd offer the service, but they should at least ask you if you'll be registering the car in the state and then let you know).

As far as the PBA cards or stickers go, they're corruption, plain and simple, and you have every right to be pissed about them.

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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:20 am

The way I read it, the dealer is entirely at fault for selling you illegal tints. I'd be hammering my fists on their desk, because without their indiscretions, you wouldn't have had this issue in the first place. It should be the dealer's responsibility to know the law.

I don't know what you're going on about the police for. It seems like a completely separate issue. It certainly isn't their fault that your dealer operates in a shady manner.


Quoting AvObserver (Thread starter):
should I have tried to get a PBA card with a donation to the local cops

Since when do two wrongs make a right?
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:28 am

I believe any shop (at least reputable) here will make you sign a form acknowledging that you are purchasing a tint that is illegal according to our local laws. They'll gladly do it, but unless you didn't read what you were signing, you would know that it was illegal, although I do not believe that form is mandatory. It's a shame they don't have it there.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:25 am

Almost all cars have slightly 'tinted' windows, the additional aftermarket tint is of questionable need.
I am very wary of any 'dealer installed' items, as they are often rip-off's, overpriced, oversold, and used to make more profit than be of any real benefit to the owner. That $299 they charged is probably $150 profit to them.
Better to have gone to an established aftermarket business that would do it so to meet NJ state standards and probably for cheaper.
Many states, including ban tints over a certain level or on side windows and windshields, to assure safety for police officers - like the ones you got pulled over by.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:45 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
I don't know what you're going on about the police for. It seems like a completely separate issue. It certainly isn't their fault that your dealer operates in a shady manner.

I think Mir answered that pretty well for me. It's favoritism and nephotism on the part of the cops; it's simply unfair to other motorists that friends and family members of cops get out of tickets with them.

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):

As far as the PBA cards or stickers go, they're corruption, plain and simple, and you have every right to be pissed about them.

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If anyone wants more detail from me about this, I'll direct you to another forum I posted the same rant on called Priuschat. http://priuschat.com/threads/whining...in-new-jersey.125339/#post-1784160

Thanks for your responses thusfar; I'm surprised I didn't get the ridicule I was expecting though I was very nieve about this.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:40 am

Quoting AvObserver (Thread starter):
It amazes me that as long as I've been around, I didn't know about PBA cards or police shields on car windshields. I plan to make a complaint to the PD and the judge about my court appearance but I also plan to dig into the PBA card issue and whether it's being applied in my area.


Lots of people have things like this. Even I had a small decal on my front window I get for being a fairly loyal supporter of the National Law Enforcement Memorial Fund. I have not gotten stopped by the cops in years (knock on wood) and I doubt that it would help me get out of a ticket. What gets me out of the ticket (at least in the past) was being polite, making the officer feel safe and maybe throw in a few things about looking into a career in law enforcement.
Anyway officers have full discretion and I have no problems with them letting other officers immediate families get off of stupid traffic tickets. I will say a tint ticket is stupid too, at least give a warning if they see it was your first time being stopped for it. Donate some money, get the sticker. I doubt it will help.

Quoting AvObserver (Thread starter):
Do you think I'm being ridiculous?


A little bit about the PBA card thing but certainly not about having to go to court or the dealer and the tints. If they did not inform you that the tints were illegal then you should get your money back and I would tell them to pay for your ticket. You purchased your car in NJ right?
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:13 am

Did you really feel it necessary to name the officer and judge? Did that help your point at all?

That being said, I hate dark tint, as I can't see inside the car and if somebody is pointing a gun at me or not... You have dark tint, you get a ticket. Plain and simple.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:16 am

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 6):
It's favoritism and nephotism on the part of the cops; it's simply unfair to other motorists that friends and family members of cops get out of tickets with them.

I never disagreed with that. It's definitely unfair. But why are you expending energy on the police's use of these PBA cards, when you should be going after this crooked dealer for selling you illegal tints? Your post just seems to change directions halfway through.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
Did you really feel it necessary to name the officer and judge? Did that help your point at all?

  
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:27 am

Got to love the fact that a dealership can sell illegal window tints, but the feds will hand down a 24 year sentence to a auto shop owner who built hidden compartments in cars that were used for smuggling completely without his knowledge.
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:48 am

Quoting AvObserver (Thread starter):
I picked up my Prius

I'd ticket you for that transgression for starters!  

Supporting the MD State Troopers fund and having a nice little sticker on his side window didn't stop my pal getting a $300 speeding ticket. If you wish to support law enforcement benevolent funds then great, I'm sure they appreciate it, but if you think its a get out of jail free card....   
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:31 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
Did you really feel it necessary to name the officer and judge? Did that help your point at all?

If the officer and judge did the right thing here they should be more than happy to be mentioned. Public servants are responsible for their performance of duty and transparency breeds self-correcting behavior.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 9):
But why are you expending energy on the police's use of these PBA cards, when you should be going after this crooked dealer for selling you illegal tints?

Agreed, need to go after the dealer not buy a PBA sticker!

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Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:38 am

I like medium tints on all my cars. I don't really care what someone else thinks about 'visibility' or some self-righteous cop thinks about 'someone potentially pointing a gun.' Seriously, get over it. A lot of cops will ask you to roll down all your windows anyway if you have rear tints.

If you want to ride with tints, look into getting a medical exemption if allowed by your state.   

The judge and the cop shouldn't have been that way, but a lot of them are. File a complaint.
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:45 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
Got to love the fact that a dealership can sell illegal window tints, but the feds will hand down a 24 year sentence to a auto shop owner who built hidden compartments in cars that were used for smuggling completely without his knowledge.

Theres always another side to the story - he absically knew that at least one client was using it for drug smuggling and continued to deal with him, as well as deciding to take on other obvious clients in a "no questions asked" basis.

Finding $800,000 in one gentlemens secret compartment should raise enough questions to begin with...

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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
It should be the dealer's responsibility to know the law.

I'm sure the dealer knows the law. The dealer can sell his tinting services to anyone who may drive in any state. It is up to the consumer to know the laws in his state. I'll agree that the dealer should have provided a notice that the level of tint offered was deeper than NJ state law allows.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 5):
That $299 they charged is probably $150 profit to them.

What's wrong with that? If they can get somebody to buy it, then, more power to them.

Quoting flymia (Reply 7):
What gets me out of the ticket (at least in the past) was being polite, making the officer feel safe and maybe throw in a few things about looking into a career in law enforcement.

I got pulled over for blowing through a red light at the bottom of a ramp. Big as day, went right through it while following a friend headed to a vacation spot. By the time the deputy was at my window; the window was down, the radio was off, my sunglasses were off, my wallet was on the dash and my hands were on the wheel. He asked me if I knew why I was pulled over. I told him; he told me to drive safely and have a nice day.

Quoting AvObserver (Thread starter):
I didn't know about PBA cards or police shields on car windshields.

These PBA stickers or FOP medallions or "buddy badges" have been around forever.

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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:04 pm

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
The way I read it, the dealer is entirely at fault for selling you illegal tints.

Nope - I can buy all manner of vehicles that would be illegal to drive in my locality, but that doesn't make their sale illegal.

For instance, I have a standard drivers license - but I can still buy a motorcycle (I'm not checked out on one), or a coach (I'm not checked out on one), or a articulated lorry (hell, definitely not checked out on one of those).

Its up to the owner to determine if the vehicle is legal when they drive it - that doesn't just apply when they drive it off the forecourt, it also applies to every single journey afterward. You could have the car serviced today, and tomorrow something might break which makes the vehicle illegal to drive - its still your responsibility. Or the servicing agent might have missed something, or you might think something is included when its not.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:53 pm

Dark tint on front windows is a serious safety issue. Nice for the heat control, not allowed in most jurisdictions, for good cause.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:23 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 15):
These PBA stickers or FOP medallions or "buddy badges" have been around forever.

Here in New Jersey a lot of people have these gaudy ass badges about the size of a dinner plate suction cupped to the inside of their front windshield. Whatever.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:32 pm

The dealer (or third-party that put the tint on, I guess) probably didn't do anything illegal, so the OP would still be the one criminally liable (as an above poster said, ignorance of the law is almost never a valid defense). But, the dealer/third-party could easily face civil liability from the OP for this. Not a slam-dunk, but a good chance.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:44 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
I like medium tints on all my cars. I don't really care what someone else thinks about 'visibility' or some self-righteous cop thinks about 'someone potentially pointing a gun.' Seriously, get over it. A lot of cops will ask you to roll down all your windows anyway if you have rear tints.

There's more to it than "someone potentially pointing a gun". For example, my province has "distracted driving" laws that prohibit any activity behind the wheel that would be distracting to the driver while operating a vehicle (using a phone, putting on make-up, etc.). Also mentioned by another poster was that with tints it makes it impossible to for them to see if the driver has noticed them as they're crossing the street.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 15):
These PBA stickers or FOP medallions or "buddy badges" have been around forever.

I can't say I've ever seen them here. Maybe it's just an American thing?

Quoting moo (Reply 16):
Nope - I can buy all manner of vehicles that would be illegal to drive in my locality, but that doesn't make their sale illegal.

I never said the sale was illegal...what I said is that the dealer was at fault. Selling a product you know to be illegal without informing the buyer is doing business in bad faith. My next move would be to file a complaint with the local BBB, confront the dealership, and potentially look into civil action (I assume removing the tints wasn't free either).
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:01 pm

I prefer to stick with factory tint in my vehicles vice the applied stuff (had the applied stuff on my first car and it turned out being a pain in the a**). Light for the front windows (that can be seen through) and darker for the rear windows (but not black). As was mentioned earlier I prefer to make eye contact with drivers not only as a pedestrian trying to cross the street but also as a driver to see if the other guy actually looked to see if anything is there before going and at 4 way stops.

Always hated the dark tint and am still trying to figure out why some of these people put the stuff on their headlights and taillights.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:05 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 14):
he absically knew that at least one client was using it for drug smuggling and continued to deal with him, as well as deciding to take on other obvious clients in a "no questions asked" basis.

All he did was see money, which is hardly enough to grounds to not do business with someone. And there's nothing wrong with not asking questions.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:46 pm

I blame the police in NJ. They are way too powerful and the courts bend over backwards to cater to them.
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:54 pm

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 1):
I think tinted windows should be banned. and in Hawaii allowing pax to sit open style in the back of a pickup zooming down the freeway is allowed too. crazy.

I think tinted windows should be banned; So do I !

In most states, anyone sitting in the bed of a P/U truck is unlawful UNLESS they have a proper safety belt on and fastened.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
That being said, I hate dark tint, as I can't see inside the car and if somebody is pointing a gun at me or not... You have dark tint, you get a ticket. Plain and simple.

I totally agree with this. I see an occasional stretch limo with side windows that are opaque from the outside; I think the driver should be fined, and the vehicle towed to an impound lot. There are about a dozen reasons why NO vehicle windows should be allowed to be opaque.............all having to do with common sense.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
I don't really care what someone else thinks about 'visibility' or some self-righteous cop thinks about 'someone potentially pointing a gun.'

Really? Actually, it really doesn't matter what the individual police officer thinks (though I'm pretty sure where a bunch of their minds are on this matter), the law says that the glass will have a certain level of transparency. Go below that level and you are subject to penalty.

Self-righteous cop indeed.

A website for reference:

http://www.tintlaws.com/
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:53 pm

In Texas, the allowable tint in the driver's window and front passenger window is lower than the tint allowed in the rest of the vehicle.

If I were you I would complain to the dealer that sold you the car, and I would also write a letter to Toyota and tell them that their dealer installed an option that was illegal in your state.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:01 pm

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 12):
If the officer and judge did the right thing here they should be more than happy to be mentioned. Public servants are responsible for their performance of duty and transparency breeds self-correcting behavior.

True, however, the way the OP worded his post, he was trying to make them look bad. Sounds like someone is just bitter over getting a well deserved ticket.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
I like medium tints on all my cars. I don't really care what someone else thinks about 'visibility' or some self-righteous cop thinks about 'someone potentially pointing a gun.' Seriously, get over it. A lot of cops will ask you to roll down all your windows anyway if you have rear tints.

True, and I do, however, it is still a huge safety concern. And if you don't care about your tint, then obviously you don't care about getting the tickets either.

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 26):
In Texas, the allowable tint in the driver's window and front passenger window is lower than the tint allowed in the rest of the vehicle.

Most states are like this, just with varying degrees of tint.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:12 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 27):
Most states are like this, just with varying degrees of tint.

The place I got my windows tinted gave me the maximum amount allowed in Texas. According to the salesman, the rear windows wouldn't be legal in California. Considering there is no chance my vehicle ever being registered there, it's not a problem.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:26 pm

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 28):
The place I got my windows tinted gave me the maximum amount allowed in Texas. According to the salesman, the rear windows wouldn't be legal in California. Considering there is no chance my vehicle ever being registered there, it's not a problem.

Another thing a lot of people don't think of is that the 50% (using our numbers) tint you can have applied is legal in and of itself. The problem is that the windows already have some degree of tint on them from the factory. Adding the two together, it is now illegal. That is something a business doesn't feel the need to tell customers, as they want the business.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 7):
Anyway officers have full discretion and I have no problems with them letting other officers immediate families get off of stupid traffic tickets. I will say a tint ticket is stupid too, at least give a warning if they see it was your first time being stopped for it. Donate some money, get the sticker. I doubt it will help.

Quoting AvObserver (Thread starter):
Do you think I'm being ridiculous?


A little bit about the PBA card thing but certainly not about having to go to court or the dealer and the tints. If they did not inform you that the tints were illegal then you should get your money back and I would tell them to pay for your ticket. You purchased your car in NJ right?

Well, you may be okay with that but I'm not; it's nephotism, pure and simple and an indicator to me of possible other improprieties that cops may engage in. Today, however, I was down to Toyota of Morristown and spoke to Judy Forsythe, Customer Relations Manager and Ray Maglione, General Sales Manager. They promised to try to get the tinting company, now identified to me as Sunrays Window Tinting, 329 Route 46 east, Denville, NJ, to redo the front side windows with a lighter tint less subject to ticketing. I'll see what happens now; will update later.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:12 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
Did you really feel it necessary to name the officer and judge? Did that help your point at all?

That being said, I hate dark tint, as I can't see inside the car and if somebody is pointing a gun at me or not... You have dark tint, you get a ticket. Plain and simple.

Naming them alerts others nearby who may be reading this to be wary of this town; I don't see the harm in that. And the dark tint ticketing rationale is perfectly sound, however it's unfairly enforced and often abused by the cops and their own family and friends. Too many people are driving around with them telling me they don't get ticketed so I was incensed that I reacted to the ticket by quickly having the tints removed by the dealer without being compensated. Given the preponderance of cars driving with tints, maybe I should've tried a donation to a law enforcement org but on principle, I consider that tantamount to extortion if you need to do that to get out of tickets and aren't related to or a pal of a cop.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting offloaded (Reply 11):
I'd ticket you for that transgression for starters!

So would Superfly, in fact he'd likely sentence me to a year in jail for it.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 11):
Supporting the MD State Troopers fund and having a nice little sticker on his side window didn't stop my pal getting a $300 speeding ticket. If you wish to support law enforcement benevolent funds then great, I'm sure they appreciate it, but if you think its a get out of jail free card....

Oh no, I don't mean for moving violations or reckless driving. Just for lesser statues like this. I agree with the cops' concerns about seeing the driver but they should put their feet down and enforce the law across the board, no loopholes.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:41 pm

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 19):
The dealer (or third-party that put the tint on, I guess) probably didn't do anything illegal, so the OP would still be the one criminally liable (as an above poster said, ignorance of the law is almost never a valid defense). But, the dealer/third-party could easily face civil liability from the OP for this. Not a slam-dunk, but a good chance

Per what I read, tinters are required to inform customers what's legal or not but can then still sell the customer whatever he/she wants if that customer wants to ignore the law. Of course, I wasn't informed because my Toyota dealer just took my option preference listed on their website (without disclaimer of possible illegality). The tinter owes me an explanation but the Toyota dealer must rectify the matter. Despite today's positive contact, I'm hoping I don't end up needing to contact the state bureau of consumer affairs. This could get sticky with 2 companies involved.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:48 pm

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 26):
If I were you I would complain to the dealer that sold you the car, and I would also write a letter to Toyota and tell them that their dealer installed an option that was illegal in your state.

Been there, done that - already called Toyota's customer hotline.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
If you want to ride with tints, look into getting a medical exemption if allowed by your state.

Tried that, too, my eye doctor was reluctant to fudge that.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
The judge and the cop shouldn't have been that way, but a lot of them are. File a complaint.

Oh indeed, I am doing that.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:53 am

If you notice a lot of gang bangers have their windows tinted as dark as possible. I think tinting in the first place is an attempt not to be caught driving while black.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_While_Black

It prevents police profiling, or so they say.
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:37 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 35):
If you notice a lot of gang bangers have their windows tinted as dark as possible. I think tinting in the first place is an attempt not to be caught driving while black.

Lot's of people in Texas have dark window tint to keep the heat out in the summer. I wouldn't be surprised if tinting pays for itself in lower maintenance costs for the air conditioning system.
 
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:51 am

Quite simply, FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) regs specify max percentage of tint allowable for side windows and front windscreens, and most states follow these regulatory guidelines. As I remember there are NO regs for tint of rear windows if the vehicle has outside rearview mirrors on driver AND pax side. You can paint your rear window opaque black if you wanted to (common sense; many trucks, vans, delivery vehicles don't even have rear windows) as long as the luminosity of an inner-mounted rear window CHMSL is not degraded in any way.

Typically, vehicles manufactured for delivery in western states where the solar load is higher, window tints from the factory are a slightly higher percentage but do not violate FMVSS. Now comes states rights and laws, where individual states can specify darker percentages allowable or not. These laws are applicable to all private or company-type vehicles (but not law enforcement vehicles where anything goes). Always wise to ASK what's legal before committing your checkbook.

My older Silverado worktruck is just that; 4X4 HD with PS, radio, and air as the only ops. Windshield tint was standard. To help in the southern sun I had the local shop tint the sides and backglass but specified "max legal percentage" as one must go on the road to get gas, fill up the diesel tank and get beer occassionally.

If your Toyota guy gives you a hassle about R&Ring your tint, make sure he understands he will be liable for attorney fees, court costs, etc when you win your case. Regards...jack
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:08 pm

Quoting AvObserver (Thread starter):
I was fined $54. and had to spend an unnecessary over 2 1/2 hours in court because that officer, #0761,

Good thing you weren't stopped in Iowa - about a year ago I was stopped and issued at $131 ticket for 50/50 front window tint by a county deputy. He told me he pulled me over for "speeding" but couldn't tell me how fast I was going and noticed the window tint because the window was partially down.

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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:54 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 27):
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
I like medium tints on all my cars. I don't really care what someone else thinks about 'visibility' or some self-righteous cop thinks about 'someone potentially pointing a gun.' Seriously, get over it. A lot of cops will ask you to roll down all your windows anyway if you have rear tints.

True, and I do, however, it is still a huge safety concern. And if you don't care about your tint, then obviously you don't care about getting the tickets either.

I do love the way that the rather genuine concern of cops having a gun pulled on them (yes, cops get guns pulled on them, really) is dismissed as a 'serioiusly, get over it' issue. In fact, I'm somewhat staggered by that. As KaiGwyer says, it's a concern - you need to see what people are up to at all times when you stop them, and with damn good reason. Very selfish to put the desire to have a tint over the life of even one cop.
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RE: Annoyed In NJ About Car Window Tint Snafu

Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 31):
Given the preponderance of cars driving with tints, maybe I should've tried a donation to a law enforcement org but on principle, I consider that tantamount to extortion if you need to do that to get out of tickets and aren't related to or a pal of a cop.
Quoting AvObserver (Reply 32):
Oh no, I don't mean for moving violations or reckless driving. Just for lesser statues like this. I agree with the cops' concerns about seeing the driver but they should put their feet down and enforce the law across the board, no loopholes.

Funny story. Just today I saw one of those PBA cards for the first time with a NY driver here in ND...he still got arrested.
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