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How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:50 pm

I just rinsed with water the Honey Crisp Apple i am about to have.

I have always wondered if i should give it a better scrubbing? after all who know who touched it at market.

Any thoughts?
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:57 pm

I give apples a thorough rinse and a wipe clean/dry afterwards. I think that should be enough really.

I mean seriously what's the alternative? I'm not keen on soaking my fruit in bleach, for example.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:59 pm

If you buy fruit in large quantities, it would be helpful to wash it, by putting it in a bowl of water with about 1/8 cup vinegar and a little baking soda (to create a dirt trapping foam) for a few minutes. If you do not have vinegar and baking soda you can opt for some type of detergent like what you use to wash the dishes. Just ensure you rinse well to remove the detergent. You don´t want to remedy a problem by causing another.

Among the reasons for washing your fruit is to get rid of pesticide residue, grease, and dirt. The first two are lipophilic substances (don´t have an affinity for water) and as such aren´t soluble in water. So washing with only water, though better that not washing at all, does not suffice. They do have an affinity for the vinegar (acetic acid).

P.S. use something that is not too abrasive to help when rinsing.

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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:07 pm

Quoting captaink (Reply 2):

But what about germs in the tropics? I just wash with water thinking that the skins of grapes naturally resist germs but summertime is when a lot of people get nasty food-borne infections.
 
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:21 pm

Washing? Fruit?

Next you'll say I need to wash my vegetables.   

Seriously though, I may rinse fruit or vegetables under some cold water.

Root vegetables always get scrubbed.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:41 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 3):
But what about germs in the tropics? I just wash with water thinking that the skins of grapes naturally resist germs but summertime is when a lot of people get nasty food-borne infections.

Water might wash germs that aren´t very adherent, and of course it depends on exactly what it´s adhered to. Nevertheless vinegar has excellent anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties, so washing your fruit with a little vinegar and baking soda as I mentioned in my post takes care of most of your problems.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
Next you'll say I need to wash my vegetables.   

Seriously though, I may rinse fruit or vegetables under some cold water.

Root vegetables always get scrubbed.

Yes you should wash your vegetables in the same way. For roots, a little water and scrubbing should suffice since you are probably going to remove the peel. For things like carrots and potatoes, I wash them with my fruit. Tomatoes and other fruits we called vegetables should be treated like fruits for obvious reasons.

It´s a chore to do all this, but as we strive to be healthy these days, we must remember that our food is not grown as it was a couple generations ago. We cannot and should not walk in the grocery store and pick up a fruit and eat it. That is a very bad habit. It has been shown that very healthy people who eat lots of fruit and vegetables, when tested show great accumulation of certain pesticides (especially organophosphates), because of bad preparation techniques. I am more worried about those than I am about germs, which are more easily eliminated and to which our body has a certain resistance.

Pesticides and other chemicals used in agriculture are toxic, very persistant and bioaccumulate. This where the whole ORGANIC movement places its roots, on avoiding exposure to these compounds. The good thing is that since these agrochemicals aren´t generally very water soluble and as such don´t easily penetrate the peel of fruits and vegetables, a good washing technique can be used to mitigate their potential effects and spare one the cost of buying ORGANIC.

So unless you grow your fruit and vegetables, wash it well before consuming.

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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:45 pm

Yes fruit and Veg washed. You never know who has been handling them. !
 
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:55 pm

Quoting mt99 (Thread starter):
How Do Wash Your Fruit?

I polish my banana.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:33 pm

Same way I clean the sensor on my DSLR...

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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):

Seriously though, I may rinse fruit or vegetables under some cold water.

My wife is MILITANT about cleaning produce but I am more of the 'buff the apple on the front of your shirt' type. Lately I've actually gone as far as to wash apples with dish soap like they were a dirty plate...but in my mind the only thing I fear is puking for hours due to some kind of foodborne illness. Pesticide is probably awful but I don't give much thought to it honestly.
 
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:57 pm

Quoting captaink (Reply 5):
The good thing is that since these agrochemicals aren´t generally very water soluble and as such don´t easily penetrate the peel of fruits and vegetables, a good washing technique can be used to mitigate their potential effects and spare one the cost of buying ORGANIC.

I thought a big part of the organic movement was to also eliminate the chemicals which you can't wash off. A plant growing in soil contaminated with any chemical will absorb it into its leaves, branches, fruit, etc. I can't find it now, but I read something a while back that claimed that grapes are the most toxic fruit of all, since the rootstock has been sitting there soaking up chemicals season after season in old vineyards.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting mt99 (Thread starter):
I just rinsed with water the Honey Crisp Apple i am about to have.
Quoting comorin (Reply 3):

But what about germs in the tropics? I just wash with water thinking that the skins of grapes naturally resist germs but summertime is when a lot of people get nasty food-borne infections.
Quoting captaink (Reply 5):
So unless you grow your fruit and vegetables, wash it well before consuming.

Some sort of soap and or disinfectant should be involved at all times, water alone is not enough, it's soap which kills the germs. Although chemicals may be a concern, I'm more worried about biological stuff such as E.coli, worm larvae, etc. in a day to day basis.
 
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:35 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
I thought a big part of the organic movement was to also eliminate the chemicals which you can't wash off. A plant growing in soil contaminated with any chemical will absorb it into its leaves, branches, fruit, etc. I can't find it now, but I read something a while back that claimed that grapes are the most toxic fruit of all, since the rootstock has been sitting there soaking up chemicals season after season in old vineyards.

That is also another main reason for buying ORGANIC. The thing is though, the current chemicals used form metabolites relatively and these metabolites well are study topics by themselves, but are usually less toxic than the "parent" compound. The problem of soil contamination and plant uptake is really complex though as it depends on the conditions in the soil, the type of chemical used and the type of plant. Sadly even organic fruits have trace amounts of pesticides from the soils previous exposure to pollutants. In both cases, it has been seen that the amount of pesticides in the plant system are are minimal and usually well below the concentration limit.

The bigger problem is a social/economic one. It is almost impossible to feed everyone with ORGANIC foods.

Properly cleaning your fruits attacks the potential problem of recent pesticide exposure to surface of the fruit and not so much the metabolites absorbed.

Don´t get me wrong, if you can buy Organic, do so, it is better. If it is not within your means to do so, buy local as you the benefit of higher vitamin and mineral content. If you can´t buy local well buy whatever option you have something is better than nothing at all. In all cases wash your fruit well.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting AM744 (Reply 11):
Although chemicals may be a concern, I'm more worried about biological stuff such as E.coli, worm larvae, etc. in a day to day basis.

Chemicals should worry you more. LOL

But the use of vinegar and baking soda is better than soap and or disinfectant in my opinion as neither are edible. IMHO.

Vinegar (acetic acid) is anti bacterial and anti fungal so no need for synthetic disinfectant. Baking soda will help with the elimination of dirt. Wash it well and you don´t have funny taste that may be left behind by the soap residue.

Check the following link.

http://happyherbivore.com/2012/12/ho...-wash-veggies-baking-soda-vinegar/

But this whole thing about our health and environmental pollution is very complicated. It may not be very feasible to eat organic and return to the way our forefathers, at least not for everyone. But a simple thing like washing your stuff well before eating goes a long way.

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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:01 pm

I don't wash mine.. People get so paranoid.. The human body is meant to fight off a lot of stuff. Everyone here would be just fine by not washing any of their fruits off. Just sayin...
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:03 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 14):
I don't wash mine.. People get so paranoid.. The human body is meant to fight off a lot of stuff. Everyone here would be just fine by not washing any of their fruits off. Just sayin...

Part of me agrees - but eating unwashed fruit is the same as licking the door handle at the supermarket..?
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:03 pm

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 9):
My wife is MILITANT about cleaning produce but I am more of the 'buff the apple on the front of your shirt' type.

I just buffed a nice Gala Apple on my shirt and chomped away.

I am really not that concerned about it.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:10 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 14):

I don't wash mine.. People get so paranoid.. The human body is meant to fight off a lot of stuff. Everyone here would be just fine by not washing any of their fruits off. Just sayin...

It is not about being paranoid, it is about using common sense. The human body is built to fight off a lot of stuff, and we are exposed to a lot of it daily. But how difficult is it to wash something whose origins you do not know? Maybe you have great resistans to bacterial infections but resistance to the chemicals we mention is not something we develop. We either consume sufficient antioxidants to take care of the free radicals from these chemicals they simply get stored in adipose tissue and becomes a problem later in life.

If you eat healthily you can be assured that you would be consuming sufficient antioxidants to neutralize many of the free radicals we are exposed to. SInce many of the best antioxidants come from fruits and vegetables, having them be clean is not the most terrible idea.

If none of that bothers you and you are living a care free life, come what may. Well do as you please. Hey some people don´t think it is necessary to bathe or wash their hands. That is there problem. Maybe they remain healthy, maybe they don´t. There was a woman who said AIDS was a figment of our imagination. It didn´t go well for her in the end. We are free to do as we please I guess.

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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting captaink (Reply 2):
putting it in a bowl of water with about 1/8 cup vinegar and a little baking soda (to create a dirt trapping foam) for a few minutes.

Okay, so last night I took 4 Fuji apples sitting in a bag in the fridge and put them in a stockpot as instructed. The solution didn't create any foam, and the apples kind of just bobbed there, so I swished 'em around a few times, then dried them with a clean towel after rinsing.

I just ate one this morning—it tasted normal, but the skin felt a bit different, sort of like some of the wax coating may have come off.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:24 pm

Wash fruit? Why? I have a very strong immune system and don't walk around worrying about all the little things that might harm me.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:00 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 7):

I polish my banana.

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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
I just ate one this morning—it tasted normal, but the skin felt a bit different, sort of like some of the wax coating may have come off.

Your good to go. The solution might not foam, as that would depend on your water. Thats not really a problem though. And to avoid any weird taste, just rinse well. But yeh.. You did it perfectly..
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:18 am

The only thing I wash is lettuce. Probably shouldn't even wash that, really.
 
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:58 am

Quoting armitageshanks (Reply 22):
The only thing I wash is lettuce. Probably shouldn't even wash that, really.

I peel off the first couple of layers and slice it up. Though, I really don't eat too much lettuce. I prefer spinach and/or arugala to add the bulk to my salads. Somewhere I read that lettuce was the most nutritionally bankrupt vegetable out there.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:05 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 23):
Somewhere I read that lettuce was the most nutritionally bankrupt vegetable out there.

There are many different kinds of lettuce, all with different nutritional profiles. If you want nutritionally denser lettuce, try Romaine.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:44 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
I can't find it now, but I read something a while back that claimed that grapes are the most toxic fruit of all, since the rootstock has been sitting there soaking up chemicals season after season in old vineyards.

Thinking about this .. with no scientific basis at all except common sense..
Been growing in old vineyards for generations.. how toxic were they to start with?
Produce a relatively large volume of fleshy fruit most years so wouldn't the release of toxins into the fruit have a some sort of relationship to the take up.
If the roots of a vine take up x quantity of a toxin over a y year period it is not going to release the same qty into the fruit every season(in fact it will not release the same amount into the fruit ever!)
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:35 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 25):
Produce a relatively large volume of fleshy fruit most years so wouldn't the release of toxins into the fruit have a some sort of relationship to the take up.

From the way I understood it, it isn't immediately linear, because the soil and the plants act somewhat like sponges. You can drip water onto a sponge, but until it reaches its saturation point, the sponge doesn't begin to drip. So newer plants wouldn't produce fruit with as much absorbed chemicals, since over a certain number of years both the soil and the plants are retaining a portion of the chemicals.

The longer soil is receiving chemicals, the more saturated it becomes, and the older the plants, the more saturated with chemicals they become as well. That's why it takes years before land can grow organic produce where traditional farming has taken place, since you have to wait until the added chemicals work their way out.
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:11 pm

Most of the time, I use just water... though reading the replies here, I may have to step up my fruit cleaning method  
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RE: How Do Wash Your Fruit?

Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:38 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 26):
The longer soil is receiving chemicals, the more saturated it becomes, and the older the plants, the more saturated with chemicals they become as well. That's why it takes years before land can grow organic produce where traditional farming has taken place, since you have to wait until the added chemicals work their way out.

Very correct.. You made me remember another factor.

These days we thankfully use less toxic chemicals (compounds with much shorter lives too) than were used years ago such as organochlorine compounds. I am sure you have ever heard of DDT. This compound for example has a half life of around 6 to 10 years, upon which it forms DDE, which is less toxic albeit still rather toxic.

In some areas (usually outside of the US where the use of this compound is strictly prohibited) traces of DDT and DDE are still being found in human adipose tissue and even mother´s milk during breastfeeding. You see these very toxic compounds are very effective pesticides and ensure the health of the crop, and as such farmers use them sometimes clandestinely. We can ask ourselves the questions does all our fruit come from a farm we can trust?

Good thing though is that many of the very toxic pesticides are not easily absorbed by plant roots (they aren´t usually water soluble) so unless there is evidence of serve pollution, there is little need to get too worried about that exposition route.
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