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Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 3:20 am

It looks like the "dirt" they tried to sweep under the rug is about to come out from under the rug.......starting today.

Intimidating the witnesses that can make you look bad may have worked until now, but it's quit working now; the people who know the truth are now ready to testify; many people think that after these people testify, there will be others who will find the courage to do so; we're about to find out.

Needless to say, this link leads to a story with people who are NOT Obama supporters, so as always happens, we will now hear the usual Obama supporters saying that "all these people are liars", "they don't know what they're talking about", etc., etc. etc. Moreover, I'm guessing they will be saying all those things BEFORE they even hear ONE witness testify. That's my obligatory opinion.

This situation reminds a lot of people of "events" right after Watergate; it does have similarities, but also has ONE HUGE "dis-similarity"..........no one DIED in Watergate; a bunch of people LIED, and many of them went to prison because they lied; and every liberal democrat in this country was dancing in the street, shouting, "impeach Nixon"....he lied ! Yeah, he lied, and he got caught, thanks to the monumental stupidity of a bunch of people; and we ALL know where it got him;

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/huc...7/id/503192?s=al&promo_code=1367B-

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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 3:31 am

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):

Well you seem to already know so there is apparently no need for hearings or anything to "start"! It's done! You have everything you need and the guilty are ready to be convicted! So I don't know you are on about, nothing to see hear, move along.

Sigh

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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 3:47 am

Somebody is going to have to explain to me why this would result in the impeachment of a President? People in the President's administration clearly screwed up which resulted in a real tragedy, and those people should be dealt with harshly (nothing less than being fired and never working for the government again)...but how does this prove that he has "lost his right to govern"?

Second, why does anybody listen to anything Mike Huckabee has to say? I've listened to his show a couple times online, and the guy is totally out to lunch these days. There are so many better Republicans to get an opinion from, yet they choose Huckabee...

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
Yeah, he lied, and he got caught, thanks to the monumental stupidity of a bunch of people; and we ALL know where it got him;

Exactly. They were able to prove that there was wrong-doing, and it was followed by consequences that resulted in Nixon's resignation. Why do you insist on claiming that Obama is guilty before the hearing has taken place? Or does "innocent until proven guilty" not apply when you don't like the guy?

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
http://www.newsmax.com

You realize the reputation Newsmax has for being wildly biased, right? I went to Google News and found this same story from dozens of moderate sources. Literally took me 20 seconds.

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein

Entirely off-topic, but...the quote is actually for the definition of 'insanity', not 'stupidity'. Just a head's up for the sake of accuracy.
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Wed May 08, 2013 3:47 am

How come when American diplomats and American civilians were killed by foreign forces overseas, there were no hearing and no rumblings of the ineptitude of the commander in chief? Why were there no investigations to prop up the fact that the previous commander in chief was a liar?
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Wed May 08, 2013 3:53 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
how does this prove that he has "lost his right to govern"?

Because a small and vocal minority actually believe they are in the majority and they are starting from the point of "Obama must leave office at all cost." They are not looking for a reason AND THEN trying to get him kicked out. Like lying about WMDs or bypassing FISA courts or anything like that. They put out an opinion and build a case around their opinion.

Bush II had the biggest expansion of government ever. No one but no one on the far right said a word. They never stood up and DEMANDED Americans take up arms against the government. Oh, no. That would be disrespectful to the office!

I would love to see what they think about the deficit when the cost of war is added to it. Remember: Bush II kept all that spending off the books. Obama added it to the books.
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Wed May 08, 2013 4:03 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
Somebody is going to have to explain to me why this would result in the impeachment of a President? People in the President's administration clearly screwed up which resulted in a real tragedy, and those people should be dealt with harshly (nothing less than being fired and never working for the government again)...but how does this prove that he has "lost his right to govern"?

Because there is a double standard that favors Republicans. Remember they went after Clinton for lying about an affair which hardly took away his credibility to govern.

Now the same family values party just elected in South Carolina a man who left his wife and family for a Argentinean woman and has really shown no remorse.
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Wed May 08, 2013 4:07 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
Second, why does anybody listen to anything Mike Huckabee has to say?

Mike Huckabee's only area of expertise these days is in lecturing about his own morality. I'd put little stock in anything else he talks about.

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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 4:35 am

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):

You seem to have made up your mind before the fact, that is hardly being honest. I hope we get to the bottom of this once and for all and the truth comes out... whether that favors the President or not.

Honestly, I predict that no matter what the outcome, the President will still receive blame. Anything short of "he lied and committed treason" will just be dismissed as leftist lies. I hope I am wrong

Benghazi is the situation that completely turned me off the GOP. From day 1 all the way to today, right now, I'm NOT saying that the President is free of guilt, but I was absolutely disgusted at how the GOP immediately pinned the worst of blame on the President* and kept jumping from theory to theory... the details didn't matter, just fill in the blanks until you have a cover up and the President lying and intentionally getting people killed.

As they kept dragging it on and on and coming up with new ways to pin it on the President, I have taken the GOP less and less seriously. I don't believe for a second that most of the politicians are trying to get to the bottom of it for the 4 killed Americans's sake, they just want to disgrace the President


*And yes, I realize "the buck stops here" but still, there is only so much you can pin on the CiC.

Edit: I'll add one last thing: I absolutely think the press would be harder on the President if he was a Republican. That's a issue to take up with the media, though, that shouldn't change one's thoughts on whether there was really a cover up or not

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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 5:48 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
Well you seem to already know so there is apparently no need for hearings or anything to "start"! It's done! You have everything you need and the guilty are ready to be convicted! So I don't know you are on about, nothing to see hear, move along.

I think if you read what you just wrote you'll see that it's completely unintelligible; (pretty hard to respond to something that's incomprehensible)

[quote=WestJet747,reply=2]Entirely off-topic, but...the quote is actually for the definition of 'insanity', not 'stupidity'. Just a head's up for the sake of accuracy.

Maybe the moderators will appoint you to "check out" ALL of the little "things" people put on their profiles for "accuracy"?
I'm sure you no doubt "assume" that you're the only one in North America that has ever read anything about Albert Einstein, but of course you're not.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
You realize the reputation Newsmax has for being wildly biased, right? I went to Google News and found this same story from dozens of moderate sources. Literally took me 20 seconds.

Exactly like I predicted, only the second reply, and you're already attempting to "attack" the source ! ( no surprise there of course ); it's what liberals ALWAYS do......attack the source ! The whole problem with that rationale is of course, as long as the information reported is true, it doesn't make much difference where you hear it. I'm sure YOU get most of YOUR impeccable information from such "highly regarded" sources as the "Huffpo" and the "Dailey Kos" ? Speaking of which, how many items are you prepared to show us that were from NewsMax that are proven false ?

As I tend to be fairly conservative in my thinking most of the time, I really don't feel the need to waste much time reading news sources which are known to be totally unreliable 98% of the time.
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 6:03 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
I went to Google News and found this same story from dozens of moderate sources. Literally took me 20 seconds.

I think you're getting a little mixed up now........one minute you're "questioning my source" as being "biased", then the next minute you're saying a "moderate" source says the exact same thing ? so why are are you complaining about my source if by your own admission it's accurate ? And another thing........why, ( in your mind ), is one news source "biased" and another news source is "moderate" when they are BOTH reporting the SAME thing ? And it took you you 20 seconds ? I think that probably has more to do with the quality (speed?) of you internet connection than it does with the "quality" of your news source.
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 6:35 am

Quoting Geezer (Reply 11):
why, ( in your mind ), is one news source "biased" and another news source is "moderate" when they are BOTH reporting the SAME thing ?

The difference is, the Newsmax article starts with the quote from Huckabee that the "scandal" will cost the president his term in office as the article's title, rather than presenting a well-rounded report on the situation.

Compare it to NPR's story on the same subject:

Congressional Hearings Put Renewed Focus On Benghazi Attack

Huge difference.
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Wed May 08, 2013 6:42 am

.....and crickets chirp except for the Newsmax/WorldNetDaily/Drudge Report/Free Republic crowd in a big internet masturbatory frenzy.
 
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 7:26 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
Compare it to NPR's story on the same subject:

Oh my ! Next you'll be suggesting I should be reading "move on.org" right ? WRONG ! Ditto NPR;

I have one guy who thinks anything I say is BS, that everything the GOP says, does, or even thinks, is BS, but yet HE is "wounded" because I think HE is "liberal".........then YOU think I should pay attention to that well known, always middle of the road, NPR ! That's almost as funny as Congressperson "Fudge's" assessment of Jesse Jackson, JR.

Tell you what I AM going to do..........(I'll be getting my new hearing aids in the next day or two).......I'm going to turn the tube on and listen to the hearings;

What I'm NOT going to do is: waste any more time arguing back and forth about who thinks what about Obama; maybe this will happen, or maybe that will happen, but in the meantime, I'll post what I think MIGHT illustrate some of the nonsense going on, and you can all knock yourselves out posting anything you want to, whether it makes any sense or not. I have other fish to fry, so I'm going to start frying them first thing in the AM.
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 11:18 am

Quoting Geezer (Reply 12):
I have one guy who thinks anything I say is BS, that everything the GOP says, does, or even thinks, is BS,

That guy is right then, everyone knows that nowadays GOP is full of BS just like all these pathetic conspiracy theories are.

I think people should just forget the Benghazi attack, too bad for those who died but I don't see how this event was that significant when way bigger amounts of people die in terrorists attacks all the time in countries ruined by US forces, such as Iraq.
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 11:45 am

I won't deny serious mistakes were made as to dealing with the attacks on the American consulate in Benghazi, but what we will see today is nothing but a one-sided witch hunt by Republicans who hate the President and his Democratic party administration.
Of course looking back, we could have reacted differently to the deadly attack, but there are distance, communications and legal limits on what could have been done. You cannot have 100's of our special military forces go in minutes after the first attack in a foreign country, we don't have such forces, you couldn't bring them in fast enough and you might just trigger a war. There was no doubt this attack was well coordinated by al-Queda related groups, and it was difficult to forsee how severe it would be.
 
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 11:49 am

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):

Wait, I though this congressional hearing was to establish the facts? Has anyone told them the result is already known?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
Somebody is going to have to explain to me why this would result in the impeachment of a President?

Because it's the next big hope for the Obama-haters.   

Quoting Geezer (Reply 12):
I have one guy who thinks anything I say is BS, that everything the GOP says, does, or even thinks, is BS

It's not like it's just the one.   
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 12:56 pm

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
we will now hear the usual Obama supporters saying that "all these people are liars",

This pretty much sums up why this whole Benghazi thing is nothing but Political BS. A bunch of old Geezers are just trying to make political gains.


Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
Moreover, I'm guessing they will be saying all those things BEFORE they even hear ONE witness testify. That's my obligatory opinion.

And what Pray, Tell , are you doing?

Quoting Geezer (Reply 12):
What I'm NOT going to do is: waste any more time arguing back and forth about who thinks what about Obama;

Why do you keep bringing up Obama in a hearing on what happened at much lower levels? I think you are the one with preformed opinions and they are driven by piss poor fake news organizations .
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Wed May 08, 2013 1:09 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 14):
Of course looking back, we could have reacted differently to the deadly attack, but there are distance, communications and legal limits on what could have been done. You cannot have 100's of our special military forces go in minutes after the first attack in a foreign country, we don't have such forces, you couldn't bring them in fast enough and you might just trigger a war

Did we (NATO) not just do that when we helped bring down the legal government of that country? What a joke. A rapid response team was in country and was told to stand down and not board a C-130 bound for Benghazi. Fast jets that had months before been bombing Qaddafis forces had been a short hop away in Italy and aboard a carrier in the Med. The CIA ex Seals that had been killed in the attack could of called in the airstrike with precision but they also had been told to stand down.
 
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Wed May 08, 2013 1:38 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 17):
What a joke. A rapid response team was in country and was told to stand down and not board a C-130 bound for Benghazi.

Seriously???? You are just showing plain ignorance. You are also dishonoring those you died. For your homework lesson go look up the deceased and where they were at 8:00 that night.
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Wed May 08, 2013 1:54 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 18):
Seriously???? You are just showing plain ignorance.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/06/politi...er/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook

As far as dishonoring those who died it is O'Bummer and those that defend his inaction in this case that are doing that.
 
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 1:58 pm

This just in: The GOP has only two planks in their current platform: Benghazi and Obamacare.

Maybe they can get elected in 2016 with these two issues, but probably not.

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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 2:03 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 19):
Quoting casinterest (Reply 18):
Seriously???? You are just showing plain ignorance.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/06/politi...ebook

Thanks for showing your ignorance. Please quote from that document........>
I will be waiting,

Quoting windy95 (Reply 19):
As far as dishonoring those who died it is O'Bummer and those that defend his inaction in this case that are doing that.

Not only ignorance but just politicking disrespect and hatred.
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 2:23 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 12):
Oh my ! Next you'll be suggesting I should be reading "move on.org" right ?

So, as with the rest of the right-wing media, you find sources to fit your opinions instead of finding sources that fit the facts.

What does it matter anyway? You (and half of the right-wing) have tried, convicted and impeached Obama for everything from Benghazi to his religion to how he holds his fork. You far right wingers will do anything to make Obama look bad. Up to and including outright lies. You on the far right care more about making Obama and Democrats look bad than actually balancing the budget or growing the economy or doing anything useful for the American people. That is why people are so turned off by the media and by elected officials. That is why the rest of the world does not take us seriously.
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 2:50 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 12):
Next you'll be suggesting I should be reading "move on.org" right ?

Any news source that accurately predicted the day before the elections that Romney would lose will do. At least you'll know they're not in the business of manufacturing their own facts.

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 20):
Maybe they can get elected in 2016 with these two issues, but probably not.

I think they've already conceded that Hilary will run and win (not to worry, they'll find something to impeach her over). In the meantime, every GOP member is focusing on winning their own primaries where, it should be clear by now, only geezers vote and moderation wins you no office.
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Wed May 08, 2013 3:16 pm

Much of what is written about Benghazi really can be summmed up with a simple graphic:

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Wed May 08, 2013 3:19 pm

Fox News is delivering the message hard this morning. Everyone else is covering the Amanda Berry homecoming and general news, but Fox is Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.
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Wed May 08, 2013 3:34 pm

Repubs, suddenly concerned about dead diplos and the deficit only when a Dem walks into the picture. It's no wonder this party is Dead White Guys Walking. With every passing day they dig a bigger hole of hypocritical bullshit to bury themselves in. Great chart above about diplo deaths under Bush, that kinda just seals the deal right there. It's a dangerous world and trying to prevent death in violent foreign postings is simply impossible.

On the other hand, sending 5000 American kids to their deaths over a Fedex tube that was supposed to actually be an ICBM launcher threatening NYC was just fine. $2T later and a 100,000 wounded kids trying to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives and war mongering Repubs still have no shame. Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, and Rummy still walk free across the fairways of their ultra exclusive country clubs and the best these numbnuts can fixate on is Benghazi.

We'll see how this pans out with the electorate. Not good for the GOP, I can assure you. The party has lost it's alst working compass.
 
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RE: Benghazi Coverup Hearings-Starts Today

Wed May 08, 2013 3:37 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 26):
Fox News is delivering the message hard this morning. Everyone else is covering the Amanda Berry homecoming and general news, but Fox is Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.

Obviously Fox is working hard on Brand Awareness.

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Wed May 08, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
so as always happens, we will now hear the usual Obama supporters saying that "all these people are liars", "they don't know what they're talking about",

Well, we did have Dr. RIce talking the company line before the SecState nomination.

EXACTLY like WMDs in Iraq - a different Dr. Rice. Both black women who had exceptional educations. The difference is that Dr. Susan Rice got her "talking points" from the CIA, who had General David David Petraeus as the Director. And this was at the time when Petraeus was under a lot of pressure because his shacking up with his biographer had been discovered - but not made public.

So the FIRST witness should be no other than Petraeus. What did he know about the talking points before they were sent to the White House? What actions did he take to change the talking points? Was the discover of his shagging his biographer putting any pressure on his performance of his job? Did he even bother to LOOK at the talking points?

Since everything else in this "affair" rests on the CIA talking points we clearly need Petraeus to be the first witness so we can get to the meat of the matter. (Pun intended.) I doubt if that will happen if the GOP has any influence in who is called. If he doesn't show up he can't lie - can he?

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
Moreover, I'm guessing they will be saying all those things BEFORE they even hear ONE witness testify.

Look at what I'm saying: General Petraeus was responsible for the CIA talking points sent to the White House.

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
This situation reminds a lot of people of "events" right after Watergate

Reminds me more of the "events" after the invasion of Iraq - with no weapons to be found.

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
and every liberal democrat in this country was dancing in the street, shouting, "impeach Nixon"....he lied !

The hatred I saw during the Watergate years was nothing to the hate I see for our Black President. His election has brough out the best in American and also the worst in America.

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
.no one DIED in Watergate

And how many have died because of the "WMD in Iraq" lies? There are still Americans at risk of being killed there, but the harsh reality is that MORE Americans have died in Iraq because of those lies than were killed on 9/11.

Why don't we have some real hearings into the lies that led to that totally unnecessary invasion?
 
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Wed May 08, 2013 4:50 pm

I'm trying to figure out why my post was deleted because of "Reference Post Deleted" when the two posts I referenced are still there   Anyway, I'll move on...

Quoting Geezer (Reply 12):
I have one guy who thinks anything I say is BS, that everything the GOP says, does, or even thinks, is BS, but yet HE is "wounded" because I think HE is "liberal"

I assume this is referring to me?

I do think everything that the GOP says, does, or thinks is BS. The party has lost their way, and doesn't even resemble what it it to be true conservatives. They might as well change their name to the Anti-Democrat Party.

What makes you think I'm wounded by you thinking I'm liberal? All I said was that I don't identify myself as a liberal. I actually don't see anything wrong with being liberal, certainly nothing to be offended by, it's just not the views that I align myself with.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 19):
O'Bummer


Name-calling is pretty childish.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 5):
Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Quoting scbriml (Reply 15):

Those reasons are all good and well, and thank you for your responses...but I'm still holding out to see how the OP answers those questions, perhaps in between personal attacks on my credibility.
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Wed May 08, 2013 5:47 pm

This is hilarious. The anchor for Fox's coverage of the hearings just said they were going to a commercial break as it was a good time "due to the Democratic questioners having a lopsided share of airtime".

Good thing I was sitting down, otherwise I would have fallen over!  

Returning to coverage, they just broke away to a commentator when the democratic congressman from Massachusetts got his turn to ask questions.

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Wed May 08, 2013 6:05 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 8):
Maybe the moderators will appoint you to "check out" ALL of the little "things" people put on their profiles for "accuracy"?
I'm sure you no doubt "assume" that you're the only one in North America that has ever read anything about Albert Einstein, but of course you're not.

What the heck are you on about? I have no idea if you quoted me intending to respond, meant to quote me at all, or mixed me in accidentally.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
What does it matter anyway? You (and half of the right-wing) have tried, convicted and impeached Obama for everything from Benghazi to his religion to how he holds his fork. You far right wingers will do anything to make Obama look bad. Up to and including outright lies. You on the far right care more about making Obama and Democrats look bad than actually balancing the budget or growing the economy or doing anything useful for the American people. That is why people are so turned off by the media and by elected officials. That is why the rest of the world does not take us seriously.

Remember, he and all his policies, and those of like minded people, must fail in order to bring peace to a disrupted opposition.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 31):
This is hilarious. The anchor for Fox's coverage of the hearings just said they were going to a commercial break as it was a good time "due to the Democratic questioners having a lopsided share of airtime".

Good thing I was sitting down, otherwise I would have fallen over!

Returning to coverage, they just broke away to a commentator when the democratic congressman from Massachusetts got his turn to ask questions.

It is only because they want to be fair and balanced and not play favorites or be perceived as doing such....

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Quoting tugger (Reply 32):
It is only because they want to be fair and balanced

Keeping on that theme ... Fox has just brought Oliver North in from the cold to interpret the testimony so far today for us all.
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Wed May 08, 2013 6:34 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 33):
Keeping on that theme ... Fox has just brought Oliver North in from the cold to interpret the testimony so far today for us all.

If it weren't just sooo blatant..... Maybe they will bring on Howard Dean but they might mix it up and have Paula Dean instead to keep things balanced. The two are easily confused.

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Wed May 08, 2013 6:36 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 31):
The anchor for Fox's coverage of the hearings just said they were going to a commercial break as it was a good time "due to the Democratic questioners having a lopsided share of airtime".

Good thing I was sitting down, otherwise I would have fallen over!

Hardly a mystery. The Dems are hoping to filibuster the entire proceeding as best they can - they have absolutely no interest in exposing the facts. One side seems to want to get the facts, one side seems to want to cover Hillary and Obama’s asses.

Most interesting testimony so far is that the FEST team was indeed ordered to stand down, and that Greg Hicks, Deputy US Chief of Mission was flabergasted at the "Youtube video" rationale the administration pushed, as it was clearly a fabrication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1-XWAMuJjg&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcoUa0-OZso&feature=youtu.be

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 20):

The big issue, Celeb, is not that the attacks happened. Attacks happen. We have enemies. Some attacks will get through no matter how tight our security is.

The difference is that, as far as i can remember, GWBush never tried to explain away an embassy explosion as a gas leak or some such, for the purpose of political spin.
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Wed May 08, 2013 6:41 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 35):
The difference is that, as far as i can remember, GWBush never tried to explain away an embassy explosion as a gas leak or some such, for the purpose of political spin.

It was never "Explained Away" . This is another example of a lie perpetuated by the ignorant watchers of the Fake news entertainment channel. .
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Hell of a bit quicker than the 9/11 commission, which Bush fought hard to prevent ever being formed.
I don't expect honest answers from the bitter, sore loser, paranoids who make such a noise about Benghazi, yet I don't recall much from the nutty right on that back then.
Or is a terrorist event on US soil that kills some 3000 not as important if you happen to like the then President?

Still, let 'em have their little show.
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Quoting casinterest (Reply 36):
It was never "Explained Away" .

I call BS. For 2 weeks they tried to say it was not an organized terrorist attack - that it was simply a protest that got a bit carried away over some stupid video (the maker of which is still rotting in jail, by the way). The ONLY reason they did this was because the presidential election was weeks away, and they did not want to admit that terrorism was still a problem.

Is it an impeachable offense? No. Obama never had to testify under oath about it, so he can't be impeached over this. But some of his administration did, and IMHO this incident just fuels the conception that many have that this administration will lie their asses off for any political gain, knowing how most of the media will smooth things over.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 29):
The hatred I saw during the Watergate years was nothing to the hate I see for our Black President.

Pulling the race card again I see? His being black has nothing to do with it. It's his beliefs. He comes from the tradition of Woodrow Wilson and the progressive movement that sees government as a wonderful, good thing that is supposed to take care of us. We see government is necessary for somethings that are necessary and cannot be done any other way, but as a general rule is inefficient, serves the power elite and will generally screw up most things it touches, and therefore needs to be held under strict control.

It's a big and expensive divergence of opinions. Our opinion (apparently shared by you) earns us the labels of ‘insane’, ‘reactionary’, ‘racist’, ‘Nazi’, and ‘warmonger’. My only disappointment is that, knowing something about your age, I'm surprised you don't know better.
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Wed May 08, 2013 7:52 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):
I call BS. For 2 weeks they tried to say it was not an organized terrorist attack - that it was simply a protest that got a bit carried away over some stupid video (the maker of which is still rotting in jail, by the way). The ONLY reason they did this was because the presidential election was weeks away, and they did not want to admit that terrorism was still a problem.

I'll double down on your BS

The president called it an attack on September 12. The only thing Fake news Tinfoil guru's care about is that he didn't call it a 100% Guaranteed Terrorist attack when they wanted it to be. Stupid semantics, and it still doesn't change the fact that 4 people died.

As for the election being "Weeks" away. It was still 2 months and 3 debates away to which you notice this still wasn't an issue.
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Wed May 08, 2013 8:03 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 35):
Hardly a mystery. The Dems are hoping to filibuster the entire proceeding as best they can - they have absolutely no interest in exposing the facts. One side seems to want to get the facts, one side seems to want to cover Hillary and Obama’s asses.

Sorry Dread, I'm gonna have to disagree. From the very first second of this attack it was pinned against the President in the very worst way, and as new info came out, the anti-President rhetoric kept morphing... never letting up on the blame. It totally seems like the GOP has an agenda, they way they have picked up on the story with such fury you'd never see if it was GWB in office.

And don't get me wrong, I completely think a Democrat can get away with a lot more than a Republican can in regards to the media and other Democrats... there most definitely is a double standard IMO. This Benghazi mess just went too far the other way to the point of absurdity and was the moment I completely got turned off by the GOP

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 35):
The difference is that, as far as i can remember, GWBush never tried to explain away an embassy explosion as a gas leak or some such, for the purpose of political spin.

     
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Wed May 08, 2013 8:29 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 35):
The Dems are hoping to filibuster the entire proceeding as best they can - they have absolutely no interest in exposing the facts.

   The Dems were allowed the same amount of time as the Repubs. It would have helped if you'd been watching the same coverage before being critical.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):
they did not want to admit that terrorism was still a problem

I wrote of this earlier, where did the President say that terrorism wasn't still a problem? The only place I heard this was from the right... I saw it as the right disagreeing with something they made up. Unless I'm mistaken and you have a source?

And the President did state it was an act of terror the day after, so again, I'm confused... so many people are Monday morning quarkerbacking every tiny thing that happened in the timeline, of course there will be some weird things, you can nitpick anything to make it look like a conspiracy
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 42):
And the President did state it was an act of terror the day after, so again, I'm confused... so many people are Monday morning quarkerbacking every tiny thing that happened in the timeline, of course there will be some weird things, you can nitpick anything to make it look like a conspiracy

It's not as if the general situation on the ground in Libya was fast changing, chaotic, with several all quite possible motives behind the attack........oh wait, that's just what it was.

What say those obsessed with all this on the death of over 200 US Marines in Lebanon in 1983, when Saint Ronnie was President?
(Maybe best not bring that up, aside from the actual tragic loss of life there was cut and running, then illegal supply of US arms to Iran - so thence possibly to terrorists - just to get a few US hostages out of Lebanon).
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Wed May 08, 2013 9:18 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 43):

So true. If the GOP was bringing all this up to analyze the way we handle this situation and prevent this from happening again (and in honor of those who died) I'd commend them, but the way I see it, it isn't about these poor 4 Americans, they're just being used as pawns in a political witch hunt and I find it disgusting and apparently, so does most of the country. But I'm sure I'll be dismissed as "listening to leftist media and being a puppet of the President's propaganda, burying my head in the sand, a sheeple, etc."

And ironically, I listened almost exclusively to right wing media during the whole debacle, so it's not like I was just playing Jay Carney and CNN soundbites
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Wed May 08, 2013 9:30 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 44):
it isn't about these poor 4 Americans, they're just being used as pawns in a political witch hunt and I find it disgusting and apparently, so does most of the country.

  
I keep wondering when the Republican's will learn this. I hope they do because they only damage themselves and the party when they try to make EVERYTHING the Presidents fault. It never has been the case and never will be. Yes "the buck stop here" with the President and they shoulder blame and responsibility for what happens under their watch, but just as President Bush was not "responsible" for the 9/11 attacks and the failures that occurred leading up to them, neither is President Obama or any other President for situations like this.

It is truly sad just how riled up some get about this and the NEED to blame President Obama. Just investigate and fix the problems and work to reduce (because it is near impossible to prevent it absolutely) a future similar occurrence.

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Wed May 08, 2013 10:22 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 35):
Most interesting testimony so far is that the FEST team was indeed ordered to stand down, and that Greg Hicks, Deputy US Chief of Mission was flabergasted at the "Youtube video" rationale the administration pushed, as it was clearly a fabrication.

Except that he also said the team wasn't going to be going to the annex anyway, but rather to the airport to secure it in order to evacuate people.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 35):
The difference is that, as far as i can remember, GWBush never tried to explain away an embassy explosion as a gas leak or some such, for the purpose of political spin.

Is that really what this is about? How, in the confusion of the moment with lots of information and little time to sift through it, statements were made that later turned out to be inaccurate? Seems quite a stretch for a scandal.

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Quoting Mir (Reply 46):
Is that really what this is about? How, in the confusion of the moment with lots of information and little time to sift through it, statements were made that later turned out to be inaccurate? Seems quite a stretch for a scandal.

Probably didn't help that so many people were foaming at the mouth and demanding to know every tiny detail right when it hit the fan... just like with the Newtown and Boston conspiracies. Some info doesn't match because unsurprisingly, the 100%-detail-machine broke and these little economics spread and snowball into full blown conspiracy theories.

I take intesrest in conspiracy theories, the crazy ones especially. I don't believe any of them, but they are interesting. The way this Benghazi conspiracy theory formed reeks of the same stench the Newtown and Boston conspiracies were formed...
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Wed May 08, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 45):
Just investigate and fix the problems and work to reduce (because it is near impossible to prevent it absolutely) a future similar occurrence.

Seriously. How about starting with the bloat in the intelligence agencies and the cat-and-mouse game they play with the State Department on need-to-know versus not-need-to-know and all the other overlapping responsibilities and information releases that occur on a daily basis in that part of the world. Clean up that side of things and a lot of things get a whole lot more efficient.

Quoting tugger (Reply 45):
Yes "the buck stop here" with the President and they shoulder blame and responsibility for what happens under their watch, but just as President Bush was not "responsible" for the 9/11 attacks and the failures that occurred leading up to them, neither is President Obama or any other President for situations like this.

  
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Wed May 08, 2013 10:58 pm

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 48):
Seriously. How about starting with the bloat in the intelligence agencies and the cat-and-mouse game they play with the State Department on need-to-know versus not-need-to-know and all the other overlapping responsibilities and information releases that occur on a daily basis in that part of the world. Clean up that side of things and a lot of things get a whole lot more efficient.

But what use is that? How will that lead to being able to blame the President and kick him out of office?

Sadly what you offer as actual useable results from this investigation will likely be overwhelmed with the ridiculous politicking going on. And lately that is almost all that goes on nowadays (on both sides of the aisle). It will become theater and little else.

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Wed May 08, 2013 10:59 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):
Pulling the race card again I see?

Still living with your head in the sand? Did you miss the CNN story about the segregated school proms in good old backwater Georgia?

Here's the link:

http://schoolsofthought.blogs.cnn.co...on-yields-to-unity/?iref=allsearch

And here is a simple paragraph from the story:

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Mareshia and her friends bucked 40 years of local customs this month by organizing their own integrated prom, a formal dance open to Wilcox County's white, black, Latino and Asian high school students. Organizers, both black and white, said they lost friends in the process - a grim experience in the waning weeks of the school year. It's been hard on the rest of their hometown, too.

Be sure you don;'t miss that " Organizers, both black and white, said they lost friends in the process " bit.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):
We see government is necessary for somethings that are necessary and cannot be done any other way, but as a general rule is inefficient, serves the power elite and will generally screw up most things it touches, and therefore needs to be held under strict control.

In other words the conservatives are more concerned about not paying taxes than in life's little challenges (like food, health care, etc.) that those in the serf class endure. Nothing to be proud of that from what I can see. You don't need to be a liberal to want this country to be civilized - being a Moderate lets you see the issues clear enough.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):
My only disappointment is that, knowing something about your age, I'm surprised you don't know better.

Read that CNN article and you'll see where MY disappointment comes from. Conservatives are very careful not to say it outright most of the time, but they sure suck up as many votes as they can from racial hatred. That goes back to when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act and said that it will give the South to the GOP for 50 years.

As far as my age goes, it means I have had time to see the "Whites Only" signs in the South when I was growing up. (I grew up where my father was transferred to - pretty normal when you work for an oil company.). I've got enough years under me to have served in an integrated Navy and was able to see that was how it should be anywhere. I lived long enough to have spent 8 years overseas and have been able to see that it is a Good Thing to get the dead albatross of employer nanny care off the companies' backs. And that also allowed me to confirm my belief that universal health care at the core level is a moral imperative in order for us to be a civilized country. IMO our national health systems are as backward as the traditional prom programs in Wilcox County, Georgia .

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 40):
From the very first second of this attack it was pinned against the President in the very worst way, and as new info came out, the anti-President rhetoric kept morphing... never letting up on the blame.

Of course the GOP is playing their game. They simply cannot believe that the voters didn't bow down to them and elect McCain and Romney President. But then the GOP is a far different party that the "Old Days" when I was a registered Republican.

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