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Osaka Mayor: GIs Should Use Prostitutes More

Tue May 14, 2013 2:03 pm

It'll cut down on rapes!

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Toru Hashimoto, the young, brash mayor of Osaka who is co-leader of an emerging conservative political party, also said that U.S. troops currently based in southern Japan should patronize the local sex industry more to help reduce rapes and other assaults.

If this wasn't enough fuel for the fire:

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An outspoken nationalist mayor said the Japanese military's forced prostitution of Asian women before and during World War II was necessary to "maintain discipline" in the ranks and provide rest for soldiers who risked their lives in battle.

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"To maintain discipline in the military, it must have been necessary at that time," Hashimoto said. "For soldiers who risked their lives in circumstances where bullets are flying around like rain and wind, if you want them to get some rest, a comfort women system was necessary. That's clear to anyone."

Talking about dancing on the third rail!

Ref: http://news.yahoo.com/japanese-mayor...aves-were-necessary-042050746.html
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RE: Osaka Mayor: GIs Should Use Prostitutes More

Tue May 14, 2013 2:19 pm

Sometimes it really is easier being gay.
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RE: Osaka Mayor: GIs Should Use Prostitutes More

Tue May 14, 2013 2:44 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):

of course some men do have an asian fetish...
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Tue May 14, 2013 3:12 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):

I've heard that... lol
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RE: Osaka Mayor: GIs Should Use Prostitutes More

Tue May 14, 2013 5:18 pm

I feel for his wife, he must be unpleasant to live with.
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RE: Osaka Mayor: GIs Should Use Prostitutes More

Tue May 14, 2013 6:04 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Sometimes it really is easier being gay.

Don't you gay dudes use rent boys?
 
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Tue May 14, 2013 6:14 pm

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
GIs Should Use Prostitutes More
Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
It'll cut down on rapes!

Forced sex IS rape. None of the 200,000 sex slaves volunteered for the brothel gig. Mr. Mayor should know that.
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Wed May 15, 2013 12:41 am

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
"To maintain discipline in the military, it must have been necessary at that time," Hashimoto said. "For soldiers who risked their lives in circumstances where bullets are flying around like rain and wind, if you want them to get some rest, a comfort women system was necessary. That's clear to anyone."

Forcing women to provide sex services by the barrel of a gun is rape. That's clear to anyone. Ugh.

These attitudes are not uncommon here, unfortunately. The older generation of Japanese men in particular believe that sex is the most natural stress reliever and is not wrong if sought out for that purpose. A lot of women here accept this as a fact of life and thus look the other way with a "see no evil" attitude, even in their marriages. This is pretty different from the western idea of negotiating boundaries in a relationship.

Things have changed a lot the last 20-30 years due to the influence of Hollywood movies and American TV, but the "facts of life" cold logic still pervades a lot of people's thinking here. However logical it may be, it still belies the fact that people have feelings, and rights, you know, the stuff that separates us from animals.
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Wed May 15, 2013 1:18 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 5):
Don't you gay dudes use rent boys?

I'm sure some do, but there's no real strong reason to. You got a whole pool of other homos, plus the 'straight but curious' and 'lips are lips' crowds to pick from.
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Wed May 15, 2013 2:47 am

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 7):
Things have changed a lot the last 20-30 years due to the influence of Hollywood movies and American TV

For better or for worse?
 
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Wed May 15, 2013 2:55 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 5):
Don't you gay dudes use rent boys?

Why? I'm a handsome man. I don't need to pay for it. Besides, even ugly dudes manage to get laid. We're all guys and we're all horny pretty much all the time. Most of us are willing to have sex and leave it at that. "Thanks, man. That was fun."

And lest you judge us, do you know how many straight friends I have who *WISH* it were that way for them?

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 7):
However logical it may be, it still belies the fact that people have feelings, and rights, you know, the stuff that separates us from animals.

I remain unconvinced that we are really that much more than animals. We can do pretty neat stuff, but you and me baby ain't nothing but mammals... with 99% ORF homology to chimps and bonobos.
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Wed May 15, 2013 4:16 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):


And lest you judge us, do you know how many straight friends I have who *WISH* it were that way for them?

It seems so very odd that you should even have to explain this most basic truth.
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Wed May 15, 2013 5:53 am

Quoting Elite (Reply 9):
For better or for worse?

Depends who you ask. Younger Japanese tend to have more western relationship ideals, but I don't think it always fits the cultural context. Nevertheless, divorce rates are higher than they've ever been here. 30 years ago, a husband or wife wouldn't think of divorce here if their spouse were rampantly playing around, where as now they usually will.
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Wed May 15, 2013 7:27 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Why? I'm a handsome man. I don't need to pay for it.

I'm sure even handsome men don't get lucky 100% of the time, or even put the beer googles on when necessary

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
And lest you judge us, do you know how many straight friends I have who *WISH* it were that way for them?

Appears that Superfly has the same luck with women, that is if we believe him. Really it depends on the quality of women you are after (Fly appears to aim low and fat, which imporves his odds), if you're not picky you could get laid every night of the week, just like a gay dude.
 
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Wed May 15, 2013 8:34 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 13):
I'm sure even handsome men don't get lucky 100% of the time, or even put the beer googles on when necessary
Quoting kiwirob (Reply 13):
if you're not picky you could get laid every night of the week, just like a gay dude.

It's not all that unusual to have a word-I-can't-type-here buddy or two available, or know where to go when you're out of town. Pickiness about venue can also play a part in the success rate.

That said, if I had someone who was calling me his husband, I'm not sure how I'd take him bragging on the interwebs about how he's pretty enough to be out there having indiscriminate sex at the snap of his fingers.
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Wed May 15, 2013 8:38 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
That said, if I had someone who was calling me his husband, I'm not sure how I'd take him bragging on the interwebs about how he's pretty enough to be out there having indiscriminate sex at the snap of his fingers.

Funnily enough I never really thought gay men (even married ones) being faithfull to their partners, hence the reason I didn't even think about that comment, as I assumed Doc (and hubby) was putting it out there for anyone to have a go on.
 
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Wed May 15, 2013 9:12 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 15):
Funnily enough I never really thought gay men (even married ones) being faithfull to their partners

In my experience, it's the norm, not the exception. If there isn't some agreement about sex outside the partnership, or grabbing someone for a three-way, cheating is usually the first sign that the coupling is in peril, just like for straights.
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Wed May 15, 2013 10:34 am

Well I disagree with the criminalization of prostitution, but I don't think the government should be involved or comment on it either, and the Japanese have a rather strange relationship with sexuality, like the school girl uniforms in porn, sexy videos with children, lolicon manga...
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Wed May 15, 2013 2:00 pm

This guy is a joke. Many of my Japanese friends are scratching their heads on this one.

The government was quick to condemn his comments...except for Hashimoto ("Mayor" or Governor of Tokyo) who shares equally crazy views.

My friend works behind the scenes for Minna no To (Your Party) and he said that he immediately called his colleague at the Japan Restoration Party and told that guy to pretty much shove it. My friend's facebook was interesting to see earlier.
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Wed May 15, 2013 2:18 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 17):
and the Japanese have a rather strange relationship with sexuality, like the school girl uniforms in
porn, sexy videos with children, lolicon manga...

From the outside looking in, perhaps so. In some ways their approach to sexuality is refreshing all the same - being that this is a shame-based culture, rather than a guilt-based culture. The live-and-let-live attitude that people are entitled to their fantasies and interests is pretty healthy IMO. Of course the danger there is that some people cannot keep themselves behind the line between fantasy and reality, but that happens everywhere anyway.
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Wed May 15, 2013 7:29 pm

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 15):

Funnily enough I never really thought gay men (even married ones) being faithfull to their partners, hence the reason I didn't even think about that comment, as I assumed Doc (and hubby) was putting it out there for anyone to have a go on.

There is more to love and marriage than sex, and more to faithfulness than sex.

Anyway, I won't go into details about my marriage. But recall that I was single a long time before I wasn't.
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Wed May 15, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):

There is more to love and marriage than sex, and more to faithfulness than sex.

Really Doc, you don't need to tell me about it, been married a while now, got three kids, a cat and a big mortgage to show for it.
 
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Thu May 16, 2013 12:02 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 21):
Really Doc, you don't need to tell me about it, been married a while now, got three kids, a cat and a big mortgage to show for it.

You know what you need?



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Back to the topic: (horrors!)

What does Japanese law have to say about prostitution?
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Thu May 16, 2013 12:18 am

Do they call them 'comfort women'?
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Thu May 16, 2013 12:33 am

Prostitution per se is illegal in Japan but the law permits all manner of "everything but" sexual services under various euphemisms like "delivery health", "health salon", "relax therapy" and the like. Young women who work in soaplands often just give the owner a cut of the room they "rent" and whatever happens inside nobody is the wiser.
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Thu May 16, 2013 5:14 am

Sounds very reasonable.
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Thu May 16, 2013 6:17 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
A LAB PUPPY! He won't cause any trouble. He promises!

You aren't a "real" family until all your shoes have been chewed.

Number 1 boy wants a puppy real bad, we've promised to deliver when number 3 is a little older (she's only 20 months old). Number 2 isn't interested he's best buds with the cat.

A mate of mines brother lives in Japan, a couple of years ago he was on a public bus where they were filming a porno scene, he was fairly surprised by it, yet the othe passangers treated it like a normal occurance, nothing to see here move along kind of thing.
 
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Thu May 16, 2013 8:44 am

Two things which shouldn´t be mixed up:

1) The "comfort women" in the Japanese WW2 brothels were there against their will. They were forced to become prostitutes, which is completely inacceptable. So this mayor should rather wind his neck in.

2) Prostitution with voluntary prostitutes based on consent:
It seems that in Anglesaxon countries soldiers are expected to behave like choir boys. Even the US Army cartoonist Bill Mauldin (who served in Italy), wrote in his book "Up Front" about the differeing attitudes towards alcohol between the European military of the time, where official alcohol rations were handed out (and drinking permitted as long as it didn´t affect the soldier´s duty) and the US Army, who´se soldiers were supposed to be dry. According to Bill Mauldin the GIs would go on violent binge drinking sprees if they got their hands on alcohol and then cause real trouble.

Similarly the US Army handed out condoms, but had to assure the civilians back home that they were not intended for sex, but only to protect the rifle muzzles when getting off a landing craft.
Contrast this with the British field marshall Montgommery, who had no problem with his soldiers using (legal) brothels, but made contracting a STD a military offense, since this then would affect the soldier´s performance on duty.
Most soldiers ARE young men full of testosterone and correspondingly always horny.
It is absolutely irrational to expect them to act like monks. So, instead of banning visits to consentual prostitutes, the army should turn a blind eye.
And there are enough women around, who would open their legs if the the price is right.

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Thu May 16, 2013 8:54 am

Sounds like his is attracting a lot of unnecessary, negative attention to himself and his country. GIs are doing what millions of other people are doing worldwide.

As long as both parties agree and no one is forced in to having sex, then I have no problem with it.

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 19):
From the outside looking in, perhaps so. In some ways their approach to sexuality is refreshing all the same - being that this is a shame-based culture, rather than a guilt-based culture. The live-and-let-live attitude that people are entitled to their fantasies and interests is pretty healthy IMO.

Agreed.
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Quoting aaron747 (Reply 19):
Of course the danger there is that some people cannot keep themselves behind the line between fantasy and reality, but that happens everywhere anyway.

That is true. That crazy man in Cleveland that had those women held captive is a perfect example.




Quoting Aesma (Reply 17):
the Japanese have a rather strange relationship with sexuality, like the school girl uniforms in porn,

How is that any different than nurse uniform, cheerleader uniform, police officer uniform, fire-fighter uniform, military uniform, etc.? Some people have a uniform fetish. Many women especially get turned on by men in uniform. Chicks love guys in military uniform, police officers, firemen and even airline pilots.
Then you have guys that are in to leather and @ssless chaps, leather vest as well as wearing diapers. My old roommate's ex-wife was in to dressing up as a baby and wearing diapers. Seemed really strange to me but they were both happy and having a good time.
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Thu May 16, 2013 1:03 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
What does Japanese law have to say about prostitution?
Quoting aaron747 (Reply 24):
Prostitution per se is illegal in Japan but the law permits all manner of "everything but" sexual services under various euphemisms like "delivery health", "health salon", "relax therapy" and the like. Young women who work in soaplands often just give the owner a cut of the room they "rent" and whatever happens inside nobody is the wiser.

Eh still i hear all the time of hookers going all the way under the guise of "friend sex" ....for extra money. The cops don't usually bother with this stuff.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Sounds like his is attracting a lot of unnecessary, negative attention to himself and his country. GIs are doing what millions of other people are doing worldwide.

He's pissing a lot of people. Okinawans want him to apologize.
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Thu May 16, 2013 4:01 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
do you know how many straight friends I have who *WISH* it were that way for them?

It is, you just have to know how to smile and talk, women are attracted intellectually but of course being handsome is a plus  . Most men forget that women, especially around the age of 30 + are hornier than men.
 
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Thu May 16, 2013 5:53 pm

I have to believe what the mayor said is really "no-big-deal" in Japan. He wouldn't have said it if he wasn't comfortable saying it. This is a weird culture.
 
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Fri May 17, 2013 12:55 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 29):
Eh still i hear all the time of hookers going all the way under the guise of "friend sex" ....for extra money.

Enjou kosai is still very much alive and well LOL. At the mall the other day I saw a 19 or 20 year-old tramp in a miniskirt and barely-covering-anything halter "shopping" with a guy in his 60s.
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Fri May 17, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 32):
At the mall the other day I saw a 19 or 20 year-old tramp in a miniskirt and barely-covering-anything halter "shopping" with a guy in his 60s.

  
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Fri May 17, 2013 3:55 pm

Some sort of back and forth going on right now between the Osaka mayor and the US:

"Osaka’s abrasive mayor on Friday hit back at US criticism of his remarks on wartime sex slavery, claiming American troops abused Japanese women during their seven-year occupation.

Washington denounced as “outrageous” comments earlier this week by Toru Hashimoto, who said “comfort women” forced to provide sex to Japanese troops during the second world war were a military necessity."

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/articl...japan-mayors-comfort-women-remarks
 
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Fri May 17, 2013 10:47 pm

Quoting Elite (Reply 34):
"Osaka’s abrasive mayor on Friday hit back at US criticism of his remarks on wartime sex slavery, claiming American troops abused Japanese women during their seven-year occupation.

Some American troops did indeed abuse women during the occupation, but the Yakuza, who are now the stalwarts of nationalist sentiment, enabled them by running all the brothels in cahoots with GHQ. Yada yada yada...
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Sun May 19, 2013 7:32 am

Quoting Elite (Reply 34):
"Osaka’s abrasive mayor on Friday hit back at US criticism of his remarks on wartime sex slavery, claiming American troops abused Japanese women during their seven-year occupation.

Ah, the old "don't say bad things about us because you did bad things yourself" approach... Classy. Sorry, but the systematic enslavement of their own women to Japanese Army units for the sole purpose of providing "comfort" can't be compared to what the American occupiers may have done...
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Wed May 22, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 36):
but the systematic enslavement of their own women to Japanese Army units for the sole purpose of providing "comfort"

The sad truth may be that the Japanese do not see anything wrong with that (and the wars as a whole), let alone "making foreign women do it", which to them, perhaps makes no difference.
 
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Wed May 22, 2013 9:59 pm

Quoting B2443 (Reply 37):
The sad truth may be that the Japanese do not see anything wrong with that (and the wars as a whole), let alone "making foreign women do it", which to them, perhaps makes no difference.

Don't take the statement of one nationalist pig as the general concensus on anything among the Japanese. Most Japanese see these political squabbles as troublesome, and would prefer they are never mentioned anywhere by anyone.
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Thu May 23, 2013 10:32 am

Hashimoto's superior is asking him to not use twitter anymore...this guy is a nutcase. Why did Osakans vote him in? Makes all right wingers look stupid
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Thu May 23, 2013 10:51 am

Well, in fairness, right wingers here are basically idiots.
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Thu May 23, 2013 3:05 pm

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 40):
Well, in fairness, right wingers here are basically idiots.

True. Well, not all, but I guess most. Puts me to shame (as a rightwinger) but I guess it's a cultural difference.
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Thu May 23, 2013 11:49 pm

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 40):
Well, in fairness, right wingers here are basically idiots.

Maybe off topic, but is a Japanese right winger (or left winger) similar to an American right or left winger?
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Fri May 24, 2013 12:18 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 42):
Maybe off topic, but is a Japanese right winger (or left winger) similar to an American right or left winger?

Not really. Virtually all Japanese of every political stripe support the deep connections between corporations and the government.

Right-wing Japanese are typically opposed to foreign involvement in any Japanese affairs, resent US policies, want higher restrictions on immigrants to Japan, have a warped revisionist view of 20th century Japanese history, deny the sovereign cultural identities of Ryukyu islanders and Ainu peoples as distinct groups separate from Japanese, oppose expanding womens' roles in the workplace and government, and just about every other stupid idea you can think of.

The only common point is they seem to have the same brand of nothing non-Japanese is better than our stuff "we are exceptional in the world" mentality that right-wing Americans exhibit.
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Sun May 26, 2013 6:51 am

Being a right winger in the US is unlike anywhere else in the world.


The so called 'conservative party' is anything but. With it's extreme views on guns and religion corrupted by unlimited
contributions from these wacko's it has become the party of hate and intolerance.


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