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Food Network Dropping Paula Deen Over Racial Slurs

Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:41 am

Official: Food Network will not renew Paula Deen's contract

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New York (CNN) -- Celebrity chef Paula Deen's contract with the Food Network will not be renewed, the network said Friday, the latest fallout over revelations this week that she admitted to using a racial epithet in the past.

Deen's contract with the network, which airs three shows featuring the chef, expires at the end of the month, it said.

The Food Network's announcement followed reports that Deen acknowledged in a lawsuit deposition to using the "N word." Earlier in the week, the network said it would monitor the situation, but that it "does not tolerate any form of discrimination."

It isn't the first time Deen has been in the thick of controversy, but she was forgiven the last time over her diabetes hypocrisy. I guess they'll be doubling up on 'The Next Food Network Star' episodes!
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:51 am

I cannot wait to see what Anthony Bourdain has to say about this. They seem to have an ongoing fued

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Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:36 am

The incident that is in question happened years ago. All this really amounts to is some lawyers looking for deep pockets.

What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.

The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

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Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:30 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

I agree. She may have shown some poor judgement but the reaction is way overboard.
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:38 am

I agree it's overboard, but Food Network probably really had no alternative. It's a business and profits are what they are after. At one point, you have somebody who has said a word that is a no no and that as almost everyone has mentioned many have used the word at one point in thier lives in some way. She's apologized. It was used awhile ago. An admission of having used the word got her fired. (but the proposal of dressing up the waiters as civil war era slaves didn't help matters too ya know..).

On the other hand, you got sponsors to answer to. You have people who are offended at this who are users of sponsors. You have people who are offended who watch the Food Network.

It's one thng for Food Network to potentially say "Ms Deens opinions and statements do not reflect the views of Food Network etc.etc" "but we stand by her apology and wish to put this behind us. ", but the truth of the matter is, they can't do that without alienating sponsors and much of their viewing public. It is just the way it goes. I know Kanye can use it, and Little Dog rapper (is that a name?) can use it, but Paula Deen can't and since she's a public figure, on Food Network, with programs, and cookbooks with publishers and PR, and products, and whateve she may have with Sears or JC Penney or Macys, any company will have to potentially follow suit and shut her down.

I know, it was said long ago, but sometimes it's going to come back and get you. I haven't read enough about this to wonder had there been something she could have done long ago to nip it in the bud early on. I think the surprise element may have done it and whatever botched cover up or explanation she tried to do.

I'm not black, but what I' ve come to realize in my years of living, is that if someone tells you they are offended about somthing and it is something that isn't part of you, like being gay and being called a F@!*ot, at least have the courtesy to believe them that they are offended even if you aren't.
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:27 am

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
I know Kanye can use it, and Little Dog rapper (is that a name?) can use it, but Paula Deen can't and since she's a public figure, on Food Network, with programs, and cookbooks with publishers and PR, and products, and whateve she may have with Sears or JC Penney or Macys, any company will have to potentially follow suit and shut her down.

I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
I'm not black, but what I' ve come to realize in my years of living, is that if someone tells you they are offended about somthing and it is something that isn't part of you, like being gay and being called a F@!*ot, at least have the courtesy to believe them that they are offended even if you aren't.

I can only be offended if I chose to be offended. Someone calls me a faggot I just shrug.

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Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:44 pm

News articles on Ms. Deen note that the knowledge of her use of the N-word and some racists attitudes came out from a deposition in a racial discrimination lawsuit brought by a Black former employee at one of the restaurants she has ownership in. One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:00 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

I agree. She may have shown some poor judgement but the reaction is way overboard.

She is an elderly (relatively) woman from Southwest Georgia, and though a hard worker not a very well-educated one. Nobody should be surprised that she would drop words like "nigger" and make jokes about other people. However, given that she has benefited from her image, as a public figure she also bears increased responsibility and will ultimately pay a higher price for what is ultimately a bad joke. She is a public example that such behavior is no longer acceptable. That said, I think a good bit of this is leftover fallout from her decision to hide her diabetes until she could profit from it. That rankled a lot of people who previously admired her and liked her for her sanitized story.

On a personal note, as a Southerner she represents some things about the South that I wish would go away and do not appreciate as having part of my heritage, such use of the word nigger, slurs and epithets and bizarrely pornography in the work place.

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Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:24 pm

To be honest I've never liked her show and her cooking style. My girlfriend and I are huge foodies and we watch Food Network and the cooking Channel all the time and switch channels when she comes on.
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:39 pm

I was watching a debate this morning on this and someone made a good point in that the N word (see I won't even type out the word) really nowadays has a different meaning to younger folk, and does not necessariy carry the same impact with younger blacks and whites as it would with older. That may be considering how rap and prose has perhaps taken back the word to some extent.

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

I think this is one of those topics that only an American can mostly understand, and moreso even those older than a certain age. Just my opinion. You may think I'm wrong but I don't mind,.

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I can only be offended if I chose to be offended. Someone calls me a faggot I just shrug.

Maybe not the best analogy I used. Again, my point above..
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:05 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.
I agree. She may have shown some poor judgement but the reaction is way overboard.

Agreed it is also overboard.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
but Food Network probably really had no alternative. It's a business and profits are what they are after.

I sort of agree with this, it is publicity they don't need. But I somewhat doubt that this is the last we will see Paula on that network. Remember a few years ago they canned Robert Irwin allegedly for imbelishing his resume, He was off the network for about a year before they brought him back.

It wouldn't surprise me to see them bring Paula back in a year or two after things calm down.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 6):
One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

One does have to wonder about that.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
To be honest I've never liked her show and her cooking style

Back when I had cable I tended to agree with her.....But at least she wasn't Rachel Ray.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
She is an elderly (relatively) woman from Southwest Georgia, and though a hard worker not a very well-educated one. Nobody should be surprised that she would drop words like "nigger" and make jokes about other people.

I wouldn't exactly call her uneducated, she built a couple of very successful buisnesses. But I do agree that she grew up back when bigotry was more prevalent and words like that where more accepted. Things you grew up with can slip out as an adult even though you try and repress them because they aren't acceptable in current times.
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:20 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.

I never have. Is that really so unusual?
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:26 pm

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
On a personal note, as a Southerner she represents some things about the South that I wish would go away and do not appreciate as having part of my heritage, such use of the word nigger, slurs and epithets and bizarrely pornography in the work place.

It's easy to dismiss the incident as "PC police" as if TV overblows things but in real life it's no better, imagine her granddaughter presenting her new black boyfriend to her ! I'd rather not talk about this with my Italian grandmother as I wouldn't like what she would say, and she was born in Tunisia (when it was a colony).

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 9):
I think this is one of those topics that only an American can mostly understand, and moreso even those older than a certain age. Just my opinion. You may think I'm wrong but I don't mind,.

Yeah, it's always strange hearing about the civil rights movement from here, where the 60's mostly evoke the May 68 events and sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll.
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RE: Food Network Dropping Paula Deen Over Racial Slurs

Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:59 pm

Hell, get Gordon Ramsay on there. At his rate, he can do a 30-minute dish in 10 minutes. But then again, they'll probably can him too the minute he says "F*** me!" when he makes a mistake.
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RE: Food Network Dropping Paula Deen Over Racial Slurs

Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:02 pm

I've just read parts of Paula Deen's deposition, which is available here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/148813272/...ony-of-Paula-Deen-Date-May-17-2013

Gotta say, if I was in the same position as the Food Network, I wouldn't be able to stand behind her any longer. She's been very much aware of discriminatory language and behavior around her over the years, but has taken a "that's just what men do" attitude towards it all. There were also a couple of other things that were questionable which came out. That's a huge liability the lawyers would insist upon being discharged before others took advantage of it, or even anything more damaging being revealed, no matter how valuable of a property Paula has been for the network.

I remember when she started out as just a shy thing on "Doorknock Dinners", where they'd take a local chef around a neighborhood and offer to cook a family their dinner on just what's in the fridge and pantry. She had a great personality behind the nervousness, so I can see why they developed her as much as possible.
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:23 pm

It's funny how some think ending her contract is an overreaction, but if Joe Average ever did that, they'd be calling for his/her head. I'm not saying that what she did was right, but Food Network also has an image to maintain and if they think that having Deen will associate them with her behavior, then it's for the best.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

That might be a first, especially for a person who advocates healthy eating but cooks rather unhealthy. Personally, I'd like to see a show that takes into consideration diabetics as their main audience (many adults would benefit).
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:28 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

I think that would be a great idea considering how many diabetics are in this country.

About Paula Deen: I never liked her because of her cooking style. Butter and cream and sugar in everything. Way too much! At least Ina uses fruits and vegetables.

It does not surprise me that a woman born and raised in the South used this word and was so flippant about it. But, she did use it in private. We always kinda knew she was this way but never said anything. So, I don't get the uproar now that it is confirmed. She said a word people don't like when she was at home or in her restaurant. How did I deal with it? I didn't buy her books or watch her shows. Cancelling her show is a bit of an overreaction for something said in private. The audience would have done that for her!
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:34 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 6):
One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

In fact in the lawyers in the lawsuit stated that is Ms. Deen doesn't pay up they will go public with the whole affair. To me that's blackmail. From what I heard on the news it wasn't Ms. Deen who used the N word with an employee, but her brother who worked at the restaurant. He doesn't have the same amount of money she has. Lawyers go after the deep pockets.

Quoting jamincan (Reply 11):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.
Quoting jamincan (Reply 11):
I never have. Is that really so unusual?

You don't live in the US. It's a US culture thing, you wouldn't understand.

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 13):
Hell, get Gordon Ramsay on there. At his rate, he can do a 30-minute dish in 10 minutes. But then again, they'll probably can him too the minute he says "F*** me!" when he makes a mistake.

And I am sure with all the swearing and foul names he calls people he has probably used the N word at one time or another too!

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 15):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

That might be a first, especially for a person who advocates healthy eating but cooks rather unhealthy. Personally, I'd like to see a show that takes into consideration diabetics as their main audience (many adults would benefit).

While I don't have diabetes it seems to run in my family. This is a good idea as it affects so many Americans. Maybe someone should send this idea to the Food Network for consideration.
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:34 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 16):
Cancelling her show is a bit of an overreaction for something said in private.

It was for more than that though. It was for taking the "that's what men do" attitude and not cracking down on displays of discrimination when it came under her control, and for embracing ideas such as dressing up black waiters in white tuxedos to recreate the Old South for an antebellum wedding. It speaks to an acceptance of a culture which should have died out long ago.

I could see some lawyer in New York asking if Paula was expecting everyone to call out "boy" to the waiters at the antebellum wedding. Paula Deen is simply a liability which one can't have in this day and age. This controversy has actually little to do with words spoken a few decades ago. The employee who brought the lawsuit is a white female of Sicilian heritage.
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:12 pm

It is 20-bloody-13--how can any public figure think it's ok to use language like this, even in private? There will be swift and strong repercussions, regardless of how anyone feels about the language or consequences.
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:25 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
how can any public figure think it's ok to use language like this

I'm pretty sure she has been inhaling more grease fumes than the recommended dosage.
Either that, or she is brilliantly stupid. As I said above, I'd rather eat a meal prepared for me by a Michelin Star chef anyway.
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:30 pm

This whole thing is ridiculous. She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia, for her to say no to using that word under oath would be a lie. Talk to any old timer from the South long enough you will hear it at some point. As bad as it is, it was part of the lexicon. This is an overreaction.
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:14 pm

Quoting AviRaider (Reply 21):
She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia

So just because she's a Southern elder it means she has the right to act as she pleases?

If it were a Joe Average, this wouldn't even be discussed. Accepting this as the norm shouldn't even be. The fact is she's more than a Southern elderly woman: she's also a face for the network.

Imagine if Miley Cyrus had been doing drugs and having sex while filming Hannah Montana. Should Disney keep her because she's a teen and that's what teens do at that age?
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:25 pm

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 9):
I think this is one of those topics that only an American can mostly understand, and moreso even those older than a certain age. Just my opinion. You may think I'm wrong but I don't mind,.

All my understanding of it is based on my years in America and writing about black people. I once had to negotiate with the CBS Standard and Practices about many many ties I could use the word (and "bitch"), and in what context, in an historical mini-series set in the slave south.

For her just to have used the word years ago doesn't seem like a case for a sacking - almost anyone of her age in the south has used the word - and it does seem that there is more to it.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
It was for taking the "that's what men do" attitude and not cracking down on displays of discrimination when it came under her control, and for embracing ideas such as dressing up black waiters in white tuxedos to recreate the Old South for an antebellum wedding. It speaks to an acceptance of a culture which should have died out long ago.

That makes more sense to me.

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Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:27 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
But I do agree that she grew up back when bigotry was more prevalent and words like that where more accepted. Things you grew up with can slip out as an adult even though you try and repress them because they aren't acceptable in current times.
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 22):
So just because she's a Southern elder it means she has the right to act as she pleases?

I would have never really expected the racial component here, but kitchens are famously coarse, to say the least, so the foul language, the porn, the dirty jokes, that seems all pretty common place in the life of a cook. Then again not all kitchens are beamed to your living room 24 hours/day.

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 20):
Either that, or she is brilliantly stupid.

I would think a lot of these celebrities would either know to tighten the reins and/or hire someone to help them do so as soon as they make it big, but that never happens, as we see with just about every other celebrity
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:26 pm

I think this goes quite a bit beyond someone saying the n-word. As I've read more, the allegations toward Paula Deen and her brother our pretty shocking, particularly against her brother. This is one complaint directed at Paula Deen specifically:

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Paula Deen placed Ms. Jackson in charge of food and serving arrangements for the wedding of her brother Bubba Hiers in February 2007. When Ms. Jackson asked Ms. Deen what look the wedding should have, Ms. Deen replied, "I want a true southern plantation-style wedding." Asked by Ms. Jackson what type of uniforms she preferred servers to wear, Paula Deen stated, "Well what I would really like is a bunch of little niggers to wear long-sleeve white shirts, black shorts and black bow ties, you know in the Shirley Temple days, they used to tap dance around." Paula Deen laughed and said "Now that would be a true southern wedding, wouldn't it? But we can't do that because the media would be on me about that."

Apparently African-American staff were required to use separate bathrooms too. And when complaints were brought to Paula Deen about her brother, she ignored them. I'm not surprised that FN doesn't want to be associated with her.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:20 am

We need to go back and destroy all those Shirley Temple movies where those dancing waitstaff appear. They are a bad influence to everyone! See what kind of trouble they cause, even today!
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:32 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
I wouldn't exactly call her uneducated, she built a couple of very successful buisnesses.

I said she was uneducated. I didn't say she was stupid. There's a big difference. She was, though, apparently foolish enough to make said comments knowing full well what could happen if comments such as those were to be made public and latched onto by a PC media. I'm sure she genuinely feels quite bad about the situation, if not for any other reason that in a matter of days something she's worked very hard for close to thirty years to accomplish has come crumbling down around her. All for a comment that if she'd thought about for about fifteen seconds she would have kept to herself. On the other hand, this is the dangerous game you play when you expose yourself to fame and the media. The media spent a long time building her up, and once she was at the time, the collective media had nothing else to do with her but bring her down. She had already made a lot of people mad with her diabetes medication endorsement, and was an easy target. Her image obviously took a beating as a result. In the long run, I don't think it will do much harm to her ability to retire comfortably. Obviously I'm not aware of her financial dealings, but she has her hands on assets in a lot of places. If she's invested well she can retire tomorrow and coast on the dividends of her restaurant and Food Network contracts. It's also entirely possible a new contract with a different network will be negotiated.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 16):
She said a word people don't like when she was at home or in her restaurant.

Such language/phrasing can fall under what was called "hostile work environment" at my former place of employment. I'm sure few people are shocked she held such opinions in spite of her constant cheerfulness and friendliness. It's television for crying out loud. Who could ever be themselves with a camera in their face?? I will say this, in her defense, however: I've watched her shows over the years and she has, indeed, had people from all walks of life on her show. From morbidly obese black women who have clearly schooled her on the air, and she let them, to obviously gay men, to Jewish and Mexican women. She also assisted a black couple in getting their own show on Food Network. Granted she was making money off with them on the air, and was apparently joking about them off the air with comments that reflect an attitude I wish would die, but it does give some credence to her claim about race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation not mattering to her and her family.

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Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:10 am

Quoting luckyone (Reply 27):
In the long run, I don't think it will do much harm to her ability to retire comfortably.

It's been my belief all along that her motivation has been to build something for her sons. Going all the way back to The Bag Lady to put food on the table when she got divorced, to her references to "Deen money financed that" in her deposition. Handled correctly, Paula can step aside, as difficult removing herself from the limelight would be, and let her sons salvage what they can from what she's built for them with them.

That's what I would do anyway. Any further involvement past something local, like in her restaurants, would only damage the empire her sons could create off the remnants.
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:28 am

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
On a personal note, as a Southerner she represents some things about the South that I wish would go away and do not appreciate as having part of my heritage, such use of the word nigger, slurs and epithets and bizarrely pornography in the work place.

How about obesogenic food?

Quoting jamincan (Reply 25):
This is one complaint directed at Paula Deen specifically:

I get a little suspicious when the charge is six years old. It's like Monica Lewinsky. What's the agenda? I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder why now.
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:26 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
What's the agenda? I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder why now.

It's all coming out from the deposition and complaint in the lawsuit filed by a former employee who worked for the Deens from 2005 until 2010. Some of the claims made about the behind the scenes behavior reads like a great script. Like Paula telling her brother, who was screwing one of the employees on the side, "if you think I have worked this hard to lose everything because of a piece of pussy, you better think again."
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:00 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 28):
It's been my belief all along that her motivation has been to build something for her sons. Going all the way back to The Bag Lady to put food on the table when she got divorced, to her references to "Deen money financed that" in her deposition. Handled correctly, Paula can step aside, as difficult removing herself from the limelight would be, and let her sons salvage what they can from what she's built for them with them.

interesting, but it remains to be seen if her name will be tarnished and for how long. I mean, look at names in the past that are no longer around. "Sambo's Restaurants" or even Disney's "Song of the South" and those werent tarnished by any particular event, just from evoking a stereotype of an old era.

Although with the sons being from a different generation, it still makes me wonder what theier views are and others may wonder as well. I know parental views don't always translate to the children, but somehow I'm not sure her name or the Paula Deen brand will fare well. What if Colonel Sanders had been pegged as a racist? But the only bad thing I can remember about KFC is them trying to get away from the "fried" moniker. My guess for the Deen brand, sponsorships will drop, bookings will dry down, she wont have high visability high profile events. It really all boils down to that others may not want to have that association with her or her name. Paula Deen is the brand. Not her sons.

Do I think she's a racist? No,. I don't really. I mean I think she is a product of her growing up, her environment, the times, but I do think it is highly possible there is a racially tiinted side of her. And again it's a product of her environment and age.

I was reading about one celeb food chef who was tarnished and sailed off into the sunset. Anybody remember the Frugal Gourmet?

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It's overboard, sure....but besides her apparent racism, I really don't think she had good ideas....



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Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:36 am

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):
My guess for the Deen brand, sponsorships will drop, bookings will dry down, she wont have high visability high profile events.

Her flagship restaurant will go on, Lady & Sons. Then I think her sons have enough contacts and experience that if they wanted to, they could produce shows. The sons aren't on the outs with the network.
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:26 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
It speaks to an acceptance of a culture which should have died out long ago.

Growing up in the West, I don't get it. Randi Rhodes explained it to me (and all her listeners on Friday) that they feel they are the victims. They are the ones who's rights have been violated by not being able to own other humans. Their rights have been violated by not being able to subjugate other humans. They were on the wrong side of history and still are. Humans are humans.
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 33):
Her flagship restaurant will go on, Lady & Sons.

Sure, and I'd guess a lot of people will see her as a victim in this and will support her.

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I can't imagine Deen's hubris or her lawyers' foolishness/profit motives that it got this far. I have people lie to me about the things they say and do to their employees in depositions all the time. Its never this easy. If Deen was going to be honest about violating the law, she should have saved herself a lot of time and likely her job by resolving the case and having a rock solid confidentiality clause in the settlement agreement.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 1):

I cannot wait to see what Anthony Bourdain has to say about this. They seem to have an ongoing fued

I've been waiting to see what Tony says as well. He's been conspicuously coy about this matter

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
All this really amounts to is some lawyers looking for deep pockets.

Um - no.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.

Uh, what do you mean by "used?" If you mean "used" like Paula Deen used it, I'd say there are plenty.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):

The incident that is in question happened years ago.

In the context of a lawsuit, it didn't happen all that long ago.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

Yeah - I guess anti-discrimination/harassment laws are just the "thought and PC police."

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

Its a non-renewal, not a sacking. And there really doesn't need to be more - this is about as bad as it gets. If Food Network kept her around and she harassed people on her shows in this manner, they would be on the hook as well.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 6):
One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

I doubt it. It sounds like there is significant corroboration here. The shocking thing is that Deen testified so poorly, giving a veritable gold mine of admissions.

Also, nothing here is a "leak." Depositions are public record and its entirely possible that the Enquirer ordered transcripts from the court reporter.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
She is an elderly (relatively) woman from Southwest Georgia

I don't really consider 60 "elderly"

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Remember a few years ago they canned Robert Irwin allegedly for imbelishing his resume

Robert Irvine was indeed fired for embellishing his resume, but was not even close to the PR and legitimate employment risk Deen is here.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
In fact in the lawyers in the lawsuit stated that is Ms. Deen doesn't pay up they will go public with the whole affair.

And how do you know this? First, a lawsuit is public record anyway. All one has to do - and basically all news and tabloid organizations do this - is search PACER, as this is a federal suit, for Paula Deen's name.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
Lawyers go after the deep pockets.

Uh, more like lawyers don't waste their time and the time of their clients on uncollectable lawsuits.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
From what I heard on the news it wasn't Ms. Deen who used the N word with an employee, but her brother who worked at the restaurant. He doesn't have the same amount of money she has.

What you heard on the news was incorrect. Further, Deen is the owner of the restaurant and ultimately responsible for the acts of people she puts in supervisory positions, and the acts of anyone who's behavior she ratifies.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
It is 20-bloody-13--how can any public figure think it's ok to use language like this, even in private? There will be swift and strong repercussions, regardless of how anyone feels about the language or consequences.

Yeah, she really seems an idiot.

Quoting AviRaider (Reply 21):
She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia, for her to say no to using that word under oath would be a lie.

The manner in which she used it is the issue.

Also, her sexually harassing behavior is absolutely shocking and also highly illegal.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
I get a little suspicious when the charge is six years old. It's like Monica Lewinsky. What's the agenda? I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder why now.

Do you know how long it takes to bring a lawsuit? The investigation involved? The fact that, in a state like Georgia, where there are no anti-discrimination in employment laws and you must go federal and through an EEOC investigation and conciliation process first, means this was likely a year or more in the making before a lawsuit could even be filed.

Quoting mariner (Reply 35):
Sure, and I'd guess a lot of people will see her as a victim in this and will support her.

Only misogynistic bigots would see Deen as a "victim" here.
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:27 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Its a non-renewal, not a sacking.

I've been "non-renewed." It sure felt like a sacking to me

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
And there really doesn't need to be more - this is about as bad as it gets.

There does need to be more to it - as it seems there is.

Just the use of "the word" by an older Southern woman may be reprehensible but it is scarcely a hanging offence and a strong apology would probably have averted this.

But it seems there is a great deal more to it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Only misogynistic bigots would see Deen as a "victim" here.


I think there are a lot of people around who will see her as a victim, especially within her social circles.

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Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:08 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
I think there are a lot of people around who will see her as a victim, especially within her social circles.

And those people are just as bad as her.

Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
I've been "non-renewed." It sure felt like a sacking to me

Sure, but it is different.

Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
Just the use of "the word" by an older Southern woman may be reprehensible but it is scarcely a hanging offence and a strong apology would probably have averted this.
Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
But it seems there is a great deal more to it.

It was even more the context and the manner she used it in. Dress them up like slaves and/or porters from the 50s? Approve of porn at work and refer to employees as a "piece of pu$$y?" Oi.
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:50 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 38):
And those people are just as bad as her.

Of course. I'm saying they exist - and they are many of them, many like her and worse than her.

I see it where I live, subtle racism, semi-disguised racism - whispered racism - and I call them out on it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 38):
It was even more the context and the manner she used it in. Dress them up like slaves and/or porters from the 50s? Approve of porn at work and refer to employees as a "piece of pu$$y?" Oi.

So we agree after all - that there is more to it than just the use of the word.

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RE: Food Network Dropping Paula Deen Over Racial Slurs

Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:04 pm

Quoting AviRaider (Reply 21):
This whole thing is ridiculous. She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia, for her to say no to using that word under oath would be a lie. Talk to any old timer from the South long enough you will hear it at some point. As bad as it is, it was part of the lexicon. This is an overreaction.

Exactly.

It really does appear as though the lawyers are up to no good. I wouldn't be surprised if Paula's lawyers end up counter-suing.
As for Paula, at least she had the chutzpah to tell the truth.

Nobody growing up in the deep south in her generation can say they never said "nigger", although, it was rarely used in the better households. In Atlanta when I was growing up it was mostly used by poor whites. My parents would not allow the word in their house, however, they referred to blacks as "colored people" or "negroes" or worse------such as "boy" or "girl". We had a yard-man about 60 years old that was a "boy"! And my mother had "girls" come in to do the laundry and iron on Mondays and Tuesdays. I used to ask why they called them that since they were all older than my parents at the time and was always told "never you mind" go play!

That's just the way it was back then. My father always had the attitude that if they (black people) fought to defend the country and paid taxes they deserved to be treated like any other American and that was the attitude in our house. If black people came to eat dinner at my parents house we had to draw the draperies closed so no one could see in!
Also, my friends used to love staying over at my parents house because they would allow us to watch and dance to "colored music" such as the latest Motown stars and James Brown, etc. Some of my friends actually had to smuggle their Supremes records over to my place because their parents threatened severe punishments for having them! That was Atlanta, back in the day. It also helped that my parents were New Yorkers. When they were dating in the 1940's they partied at some of the best clubs in Harlem. So they understood.

As for today. I still have many black friends, especially at the fire department, where they refer to me as their "niggah". I was recently walking through the Northpointe Mall near Atlanta and someone shouted "mah niggah!" and I looked over to see a couple of my friends from the fire department walking towards me. So, nowadays the N-word has become a term of endearment. I have been to parties with a very mixed crowd, and everybody black or white uses the term openly, like nothing, so I just don't understand why they want to crucify Paula-----unless it benefits the lawyers.
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RE: Food Network Dropping Paula Deen Over Racial Slurs

Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:53 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
How about obesogenic food?

Any food can be obesogenic if you eat enough of it. While true if you eat enough of "typical" Southern food, it is very bad for you, that is not how people eat every day. A lot of cultures have traditional food that is quite unhealthy, but nobody puts that food in your mouth but you.

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Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:54 pm

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):
What if Colonel Sanders had been pegged as a racist? But the only bad thing I can remember about KFC is them trying to get away from the "fried" moniker

Actually the founder of what is now KFC was a de facto racist, he practiced segregation at his original restaurant in Corbin, KY and until his death, the later owners of KFC had to keep a tight PR leash on him to prevent him from destroying business from black and other customers by him making racist comments, not uncommon for someone born and living most of their lives in the 'Jim Crow' race laws and attitudes.

I wonder too if Food Networks, dropping of Deen is also about that they cannot have contracts with anyone who practices discrimination in their contracted or other businesses. They may also have 'behavior' or 'morals' clause, that if any behavior by them that brings 'disrepute' to the channel can be cause to terminate contracts.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:55 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 42):
I wonder too if Food Networks, dropping of Deen is also about that they cannot have contracts with anyone who practices discrimination in their contracted or other businesses

I think that kind of language (or the s/f/k words etc) are such kryptonite to business, that it's best to sever ties as quickly and thoroughly as possible from the offender.
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:56 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

Your saying this reminds me of an exchange in the movie Patton.

American General George S. Patton was sacked during World War II for slapping an enlisted soldier. In the movie, there is a dramatization of an exchange between some German officers and when one tells the other that Patton was sacked for such a move, the other responds with contempt saying, "You really believe their media? A general being fired for slapping an enlisted solider... hah!"

Your comment reminded me of that because I wonder if the way Americans handle incidents like this is very unlike how other people view and handle such situations. I admit I am not the most worldly person so I don't really know how something like this would be treated elsewhere, if it would get any attention at all.
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Paula Deen Defended Southern Attitude Towards Race In Fall 2012 (VIDEO)

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Last fall, I visited the New York Times headquarters to see Paula Deen talk with Times reporter Kim Severson on a variety of topics. When I wrote it up, I focused mostly on her comments about her diabetes, because Deen's endorsement of the diabetes drug Victoza was still hot news. But I also briefly mentioned a strange segment of the talk in which she talked about Southern attitudes toward race. Today, all this talk of her recent racist comments spurred me to revisit the video of the TimesTalk. It's really shocking stuff. Watch the video at the top of this entry for our race-related highlights.
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:32 pm

Paula explained it perfectly. Never photograph a black person against a black backround. All you will see are the eyes and the mouth. White or cream colored backrounds work best. Believe me, I know from experience.

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Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:29 pm

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 44):
Your comment reminded me of that because I wonder if the way Americans handle incidents like this is very unlike how other people view and handle such situations. I admit I am not the most worldly person so I don't really know how something like this would be treated elsewhere, if it would get any attention at all.

I think the attention given to the "N" word is both a positive and a negative.

It's a positive because it gives the media something to hang it's hat on and a grabby headline - "She said the N Word!!!"

It's negative because many people, especially in the South, may think "A Southern woman said the N word? Is that all there is?"

But it is a powerful word - it has become the headline focus of an entire history - and while too much attention may be paid to it, at least it provokes the debate.

There is racism in all post-colonial societies but I can't think of any word which has such power elsewhere - but nor can I think of the attendant debates. Australia is still a deeply racist country, but it's rarely acknowledged. The debate about the place and treatment of the Aboriginal people is very much below the surface only flaring up very occasionally when something dramatic happens. Most Australians are unaware of the Aboriginal people, they seldom meet any, and probably don't think about 'em much. Few people call Aboriginals "boongs" anymore, but that word never had such visceral meaning and there wouldn't be the same attention if they did.

Generally and with some exceptions, the racism endured by new chums - Indians, say - only flares up when one of them is beaten up or murdered, and the Somali community has its own unique problems - when one of the young men "goes bad" and people can use that as condemnation of both his race and the immigration policies. Everyone cheers when a young Somali wins at football, but he is seen as the exception, not the rule.

The debate about race in New Zealand is mostly confined to the white relationship with Maori, and it is to the forefront, but Maori is one of the darker races where whitey has said "okay, we owe you" but that has its own problems and is resented by many. The attitude to Indians and Somalis is largely ignored.

I'll limit this to those countries, because debates about the colonising countries would take a long essay. From my perspective, in Oz/Nz, the worry is that it is only the headline stuff that gets attention, no one talks about the daily, casual racism. At my local store, run by Indians, a white may deliberately whisper his order and when the Indian asks him to repeat it, the white man (woman can be as bad) takes umbrage and tells him to learn English.

But there are no headlines in that - no one said the N word - so while I may think that the N word gets too much attention in the US, it may be that attention which is the springboard for the debate.

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Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 13):
Hell, get Gordon Ramsay on there

Now, Now they are a family friendly network....G rated. They won't even show they killing and butchering an animal. Which is sad, its how that animal ends up on your plate.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 16):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?
I think that would be a great idea considering how many diabetics are in this country.
Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):

While I don't have diabetes it seems to run in my family. This is a good idea as it affects so many Americans. Maybe someone should send this idea to the Food Network for consideration.

I've seen one pop up on PBS. It looked like it was don't be a local station not PBS national so the production values aren't quite there, no budget I suppose. But it would be good. I know there have been various attempts to have shows that show healthy or healthier cooking. Garaham Kerr and Christine Cooks sort of highlight that genre.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
I would have never really expected the racial component here, but kitchens are famously coarse, to say the least, so the foul language, the porn, the dirty jokes, that seems all pretty common place in the life of a cook
Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):
I mean I think she is a product of her growing up, her environment, the times, but I do think it is highly possible there is a racially tiinted side of her. And again it's a product of her environment and age.
Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):
Anybody remember the Frugal Gourmet?

I do, growing up he was the early PBS show so I only caught him if my little brother didn't get up in time for Looney Toons.

I have a number of his shows downloaded on my Ipod. When his scandal came around

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):Remember a few years ago they canned Robert Irwin allegedly for imbelishing his resume
Robert Irvine was indeed fired for embellishing his resume, but was not even close to the PR and legitimate employment risk Deen is here.


I'll agree with that. Nobody heard about it until the day they announced he was getting canned. But that just means they might have to wait longer to bring Paula back. Which may be a real option if she wins, remember this is just a deposition this came out in, not the courtroom.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Also, her sexually harassing behavior is absolutely shocking and also highly illegal.

Again at this point they are just accusations in a civil suit. They haven't been proven.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Only misogynistic bigots would see Deen as a "victim" here.

Easy, there are a lot of politics involved in cases like this, her accuser may in fact be proven a liar. Like I said before this is just a deposition. The case ins't called yet. Argueably if she was found not to have done these things then yes she was a victim. The info we have from the desposition came from the laywers for the woman pushing the claims against Deen. I would suggest these shouldn't be considered reliable sources.

Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):Its a non-renewal, not a sacking.
I've been "non-renewed." It sure felt like a sacking to me

I agree, it was a sacking. I do like how the English/Aussies say sacking rather then fired.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
Nobody growing up in the deep south in her generation can say they never said "nigger", although, it was rarely used in the better households. In Atlanta when I was growing up it was mostly used by poor whites. My parents would not allow the word in their house, however, they referred to blacks as "colored people" or "negroes" or worse------such as "boy" or "girl". We had a yard-man about 60 years old that was a "boy"! And my mother had "girls" come in to do the laundry and iron on Mondays and Tuesdays. I used to ask why they called them that since they were all older than my parents at the time and was always told "never you mind" go play!

That's just the way it was back then. My father always had the attitude that if they (black people) fought to defend the country and paid taxes they deserved to be treated like any other American and that was the attitude in our house. If black people came to eat dinner at my parents house we had to draw the draperies closed so no one could see in!
Also, my friends used to love staying over at my parents house because they would allow us to watch and dance to "colored music" such as the latest Motown stars and James Brown, etc. Some of my friends actually had to smuggle their Supremes records over to my place because their parents threatened severe punishments for having them! That was Atlanta, back in the day. It also helped that my parents were New Yorkers. When they were dating in the 1940's they partied at some of the best clubs in Harlem. So they understood.

Everybody needs to read this part again and remember you are a product of your environment and yes, you should take that in consideration when dealing with other people, from different times, different regions, different countries.

Frankly I would argue that Paula grew up in a lousy time to be in the south and she has been shaped by that.
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RE: Food Network Dropping Paula Deen Over Racial Slurs

Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:45 am

I wanted to be supportive about her, because I don't believe we should all suffer for our past but,

Quoting jamincan (Reply 25):

I think this goes quite a bit beyond someone saying the n-word. As I've read more, the allegations toward Paula Deen and her brother our pretty shocking, particularly against her brother. This is one complaint directed at Paula Deen specifically:

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Paula Deen placed Ms. Jackson in charge of food and serving arrangements for the wedding of her brother Bubba Hiers in February 2007. When Ms. Jackson asked Ms. Deen what look the wedding should have, Ms. Deen replied, "I want a true southern plantation-style wedding." Asked by Ms. Jackson what type of uniforms she preferred servers to wear, Paula Deen stated, "Well what I would really like is a bunch of little niggers to wear long-sleeve white shirts, black shorts and black bow ties, you know in the Shirley Temple days, they used to tap dance around." Paula Deen laughed and said "Now that would be a true southern wedding, wouldn't it? But we can't do that because the media would be on me about that."

Apparently African-American staff were required to use separate bathrooms too. And when complaints were brought to Paula Deen about her brother, she ignored them. I'm not surprised that FN doesn't want to be associated with her.

That's damn bad.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):

Do I think she's a racist? No,. I don't really. I mean I think she is a product of her growing up, her environment, the times, but I do think it is highly possible there is a racially tiinted side of her. And again it's a product of her environment and age.

I don't think she actually is either.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):

I can't imagine Deen's hubris or her lawyers' foolishness/profit motives that it got this far. I have people lie to me about the things they say and do to their employees in depositions all the time. Its never this easy. If Deen was going to be honest about violating the law, she should have saved herself a lot of time and likely her job by resolving the case and having a rock solid confidentiality clause in the settlement agreement.

I advise people never to accept confidentiality clauses. If the defendant did something wrong they should be shamed. I didn't accept one when I had to sue someone.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
Exactly.

We've known where your opinion stands on all sorts of issues, nothing surprising in your reply.
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