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Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:07 pm

Tired, he gives the crown to his son prince Philippe : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23167525

I'm surprised the royalists here are not talking about this.

I wonder if the country will survive in the long run.
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:16 pm

Is abdication the norm in Belgium as it is in the Netherlands?
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:16 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Is abdication the norm in Belgium as it is in the Netherlands?

I don't think so, although the current Kings father Leopold abdicated in favour of his son, when Baudouin died childless his brother Albert took over.
 
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:34 pm

I'm not well versed in Belgian history but I read that Prince Philippe was always thought of as a future King due to the fact that Baudouin didn't have any heirs. I don't think anyone expected Albert II to have reigned for so long and it seems that he is aware of his role as an intermediary - although 20 years on the throne is quite an achievement. He is also well respected due to his role in sorting out the election crisis in 2011. I'm quite impressed at the way the Belgian monarchy functions - it's the only monarchy in the world where the heir doesn't become King or Queen immediately after the death or abdication of their predecessor, they have to wait until they have been approved constitutionally and have taken the oath of office (If you could call it that). Coupled with Belgium's federal system, it's almost like a mixture between a republic and a kingdom. Now if only the other branch of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha who are at the helm of my home country could be more like that...
 
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:53 am

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):

I dont know, cannot sleep now, I hope Filip will do his best.... Snik.
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:59 am

Hij volgt Nederland denk ik...

He is following Dutch Queen, I think....
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:59 am

Quoting LO231 (Reply 5):
He is following Dutch Queen, I think....

Indeed both the successful step downs of the Dutch Queen and Ratzinger must have inspired him to do the same.
Abdication is not usual in Belgium like it already was in the Netherlands. Leopold's adbication was forced due to his dubious role in the 2nd World War, a traumatizing event noone wants to repeat, so everyone expected Albert to reign till his death.
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:53 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 6):
Indeed both the successful step downs of the Dutch Queen and Ratzinger must have inspired him to do the same.

Not at all, King Albert wished to retire several years ago. Political events and the insistence of the government made him postpone the event.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 6):
Leopold's adbication was forced due to his dubious role in the 2nd World War,

Not exactly his "role" but some of his decisions, especially his second marriage at a time when many families were separated with the men behind barbed wire in Germany.
 
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:22 am

Quoting iakobos (Reply 7):
Not exactly his "role" but some of his decisions,

I think a lot of his decisions were correct, especially surrendering to the Germans, there was no need for the Belgium's to sacrifice all there army any further, they bought the British enough time to evacuate at Dunkirk, the war was lost for them. You also have to admire the fact that he stayed behind and remained with his people rather than chickening out and running away like the Dutch and Norwegians did. Big ups to the Danish King for toughing it out unlike his pussy brother in Norway.
 
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:18 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
You also have to admire the fact that he stayed behind and remained with his people

A castle in Germany and a luxury villa in Austria is not what I would regard as "staying with his people".
He exonerated the Belgian government in London and repudiated the treaties they signed (eg. uranium sale to the US), disregarded the resistance, and in his political "testament" went as far as calling the Allied troops' movement in Belgium as "occupation" not liberation. Churchill briefly commented on the document..."it stinks".
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:56 am

So we'll have Philippe, not Filip anymore...... How posh.
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:02 am

A compromise has been reached, since Philippe does not suit the Flemish and Filip horrifies the French-speakers, the Brussels' version Flup has been adopted.
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RE: Belgium's King Albert II 'to Abdicate Throne'

Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:42 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Big ups to the Danish King for toughing it out unlike his pussy brother in Norway.

Not like Christian X had much of a chance, with the German troops landing pretty much next door to the royal palace. And in any case, it was Queen Alexandrine who had the cajones in that relationship - she managed to give pretty much the iciest welcome ever afforded a German representative in Copenhagen, by declaring that she certainly hadn't imagined to meet a fellow countryman (she was originally from Schwerin) under such circumstances. 

The King pretty much did what the government told him to, including encouraging cooperation with the Germans and denouncing the communists post-Anti-Comintern Pact.

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