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Yahoo! E-mail: The Fine Print...

Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:56 pm

So the nag marathon to get me to use their new dancing baloney interface continues to the point that I can no longer 'just say no'. We had a bit of a thread about this (now locked) when they first started the nag marathon. I'm not sure how to proceed.

The fine print (indeed in small, grey font) says:

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By clicking the button above, I certify that I have read and agreed to the Communications Terms of Service, and Yahoo! Privacy Policy. To deliver product features, abuse protection and, if applicable, relevant advertising, Yahoo!'s automated systems scan and analyze all email, IM and other communications content. Your current version of Yahoo! Mail is no longer supported so you must switch to the new Yahoo! Mail soon or review Yahoo! Mail Help for other options.

To opt out of interest-based and contextual-based advertising resulting from scanned and analyzed communications content, click here.

Reading the privacy policy we find

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For instance, we scan and analyze email messages to identify key elements of meaning and then categorize this information for immediate and future use.

Hmm, somehow the first summary says scan and analyze yet does not say retain, nor does this say which key elements of meaning are retained. Clearly one can presume these days this means email headers so clearly one can see how they can have a nice database of who I talk to, presuming these people don't use aliases, and usually these headers include things like IP addresses and OS choices, etc. In fact the page goes on and says just that.

How does one get around this?

Mail Help says:

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Download your Yahoo! Mail using IMAP: IMAP allows you to access your email from a different email program, such as Outlook, Mac Mail, or your mobile device’s application. You can download your data to your personal computer or device using an IMAP program. However, in order to continue using Yahoo! Mail you will need to accept the Communications Terms of Service.

I didn't see there where it said it would scan/analyze/retain any of my email data or metadata.

http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/ says:

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Yahoo! automatically receives and records information from your computer and browser, including your IP address, Yahoo! cookie information, software and hardware attributes, and the page you request.

Yahoo! uses information for the following general purposes: to customize the advertising and content you see, fulfill your requests for products and services, improve our services, contact you, conduct research, and provide anonymous reporting for internal and external clients.

Ahh, "research". Wonder how they define that?

And of course the obligatory:

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We respond to subpoenas, court orders, or legal process, or to establish or exercise our legal rights or defend against legal claims.

Pretty much makes me an open book, no?

So it seems the only decent choice for privacy is to just say goodbye to Yahoo.

Seems one can spend $19.99/year for mail plus and put in a forwarding rule if that matters enough to do.
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RE: Yahoo! E-mail: The Fine Print...

Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:39 pm

Pretty much the same privacy policy you'll get from Facebook, Twitter, and even A.net.

If you'd rather not be an open book with regards to your surfing/email habits, stay off the interwebs.
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RE: Yahoo! E-mail: The Fine Print...

Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:04 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 1):
If you'd rather not be an open book with regards to your surfing/email habits, stay off the interwebs.

S'pose, but seems some if not many have the perception that a lot of business they conduct via e-mail has some modicum of privacy and if not a lot of economic activity might suffer.

I suppose we could just post our email to a password-less web site then?

Remember the fun when someone guessed Sarah Palin's email password correctly?
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RE: Yahoo! E-mail: The Fine Print...

Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:41 am

With the exception of Outlook.com (If what Microsoft says is true), most email services use your info for advertisements and other uses. People have complained over and over about this but ultimately a lot of them still choose to utilize these services.

Nothing is really private on the web, especially consumer software and services. Unless you have never used the web, there is probably some sort of usage or other data they have collected from you.

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RE: Yahoo! E-mail: The Fine Print...

Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:03 pm

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 3):
With the exception of Outlook.com (If what Microsoft says is true), most email services use your info for advertisements and other uses. People have complained over and over about this but ultimately a lot of them still choose to utilize these services.

Interestingly enough, Yahoo! does let you opt out from targeted ads at the account level.

It just doesn't tell you if that means you can also opt out of all forms of data scanning and retention.

As above, it seems they will always do that, even for ill-defined reasons such as "research".
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