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Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:22 pm

Yes, once again Texas is the laughing stock of the nation, as TX police officers were ordered to confiscate Tampax tampons, Kotex Mini/Maxi pads, and other deadly "feminine hygiene" products during the highly-charged debate at the Texas Legislature surrounding controversial abortion restrictions designed to close down clinics and keep women from getting access to a legal procedure.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/...lery-While-Allowing-Concealed-Guns

"Women are being forced to throw out tampons and maxi pads to enter the Senate gallery, which has been confirmed by DPS. That's right: menstruating women are being denied entry to the Senate gallery unless they throw out their supplies.
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However, people with concealed handgun licenses are allowed to bypass long lines to enter the Gallery through the expedited CHL entrance, and per DPS, if a person has a CHL, they can take their gun into the gallery."





*Yee-haw! Forget to include the link to the above.

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Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:29 pm

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Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:18 am

What has my state come to? I might as well move back to Tennessee.
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:59 am

Heard reports that some people may have brought urine and feces to throw.

Not classy.
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:38 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Not classy.

Pretty much describes the whole situation. I guess the christian right is jumping up and down, as they edge closer at the chat to finally repeal the abomination (in their mind) that is Roe v Wade.

Edit: And for what it's worth:
DPS officers outside the Senate gallery and at each entrance to the Capitol told The Texas Tribune they had not seen or found jars containing feces or urine, and multiple officers throughout the Capitol said they had not heard of any jars being found until a reporter mentioned it. Several officers also said they had not heard anything on the DPS radio system about jars of any excrement.http://www.texastribune.org/2013/07/...question-dps-report-confiscations/

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Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:36 am

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 4):
Edit: And for what it's worth:

That's encouraging.
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:45 am

Where are the rest of the Texans commenting on this?

Just curious what their views on on this....I know there's at least one that's a big blowhard.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:31 am

I lost an Opinel knife I used to carry everywhere (being a scout) when I went to visit the House of Commons in the UK (empty of MPs). In Texas they don't fear a crazy gun owner I guess, has there never been violence in there ? In France an anarchist threw a bomb on the national assemblymen in the 19th century.
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:59 pm

Are women being required to hand over only those tampons in their handbags/purses or does it mean they have to hand over "all" tampons including tampons they may have "on" them?????   
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:06 pm

Thank goodness the people of Texas are so willing to support millions of unwanted children.
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:59 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
Thank goodness the people of Texas are so willing to support millions of unwanted children.

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Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:24 pm

Kind of amazing where the "long arm of the law" finds itself these days, no? 
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:55 pm

People have their panties in such a wad over this... wow.

I haven't done a lot of research on this law, but as I understand it:

1) It bans abortions after 20 weeks. As said in another thread, I find this reasonable - If you can't make up your mind in 5 months, you've got other problems.

2) It requires abortion clinics to have admitting privileges at a local hospital - presumably in case of complications.

3) It requires abortions to be done in a place equipped for surgery, not just some back room.

All these seem reasonable to me. Why the hysteria?
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:03 pm

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2) It requires abortion clinics to have admitting privileges at a local hospital - presumably in case of complications.

3) It requires abortions to be done in a place equipped for surgery, not just some back room.

This is just a back handed way of making them so expensive and regulated (regulation bad mkay! except this time!) that they're near impossible to offer. Honestly I can empathize with people who think abortion is murder, and there's really little way to find middle ground when you feel that way. I'd be less disappointed if they just came out and said, "we don't like abortion, we think it's murder, and we're going to try to limit as much as possible," but honesty is not a core value of the christian right.
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:10 pm

Geez, can you see the ads for the 2014 election campaign? Lots of video in all probability, even if taken on iPhones.

This one could even hit the late night shows where the writers can have a field day.

Just as well that Perry decided not to run again as that was a major "Oooooops"!

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
Thank goodness the people of Texas are so willing to support millions of unwanted children.

We're talking about financial support here. But Texas has so much oil & gas that royalties can probably take care of that situation.

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
1) It bans abortions after 20 weeks. As said in another thread, I find this reasonable - If you can't make up your mind in 5 months, you've got other problems.

I'm close to being a supporter of the 20 week "red line", except that I believe that the state must then take financial responsibility as well as legal control of the baby. Induce labor and have the baby immediately given to the state for care& raising. If taxes need to be raised then do it.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
1) It bans abortions after 20 weeks. As said in another thread, I find this reasonable - If you can't make up your mind in 5 months, you've got other problems.

2) It requires abortion clinics to have admitting privileges at a local hospital - presumably in case of complications.

3) It requires abortions to be done in a place equipped for surgery, not just some back room.

#1 is in direct contravention of Roe V. Wade

#2 is bullhonkey. It's unnecessary. If a woman has a complication, an ambulance can take her to the hospital and she will be admitted. The physician need not have admitting privileges. It is nothing more than a bureaucratic hurdle to performing abortions. There is ZERO medical justification for such a rule.

#3 if the abortions are non-surgical, requiring that they be equipped for surgery makes no sense and is, again, simply a bureaucratic hurdle meant to ban abortions without actually banning abortions.

Again, if you want to ban abortion, ban abortion. Don't play these games. This is going to get smacked down by a court so fast it'll make Mr. Perry's empty little head spin.

I will also point out that in 2007 one of the bill's major supporters said that she would not back funding prenatal care for low-income women because their babies shouldn't be entitled to any government benefits because "they aren't born yet." This is the same supporter who claimed that ER "rape kits" were used to "clean out" a woman after a rape.

This is not about abortion. Whatever it is about, it's not about abortion. Personally, I think it's about a social agenda that keeps women barefoot and pregnant.

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Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:27 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
This is not about abortion. Whatever it is about, it's not about abortion. Personally, I think it's about a social agenda that keeps women barefoot and pregnant.

It's best summed up by the fact that Texas will now go from having 42 abortion clinics covering the entire state to just 5.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ics/clinics-in-jeopardy.html?_r=2&
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:41 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 16):
It's best summed up by the fact that Texas will now go from having 42 abortion clinics covering the entire state to just 5.

At least they have plenty of education and preventative measures in place so that people don't need abortions in the first place... Ooooh wait those have been gutted too. Maybe Perry just really liked how it worked out in Romania?
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:40 pm

As to seizing feminine hygiene products so they couldn't be used in a protest, I suspect all states, including Texas. have strict rules for their state houses that limit such protests and if throw something, one can be arrested.

I have visited the New Jersey State House a number of times over the last several years and they don't allow guns (or knives, tazers or personal mace devices) into it but for active Federal and in-state LEO's on duty. I suspect that has been the policy since at least 9/11 and suspect the same policy for most other state capital buildings and really most government building on the State and Federal level since then.

Almost 80 years ago, the infamous governor of Louisiana, Huey Long, was assassinated in the state capital building there by a disgruntled citizen. I certainly wouldn't want anyone with a gun into the capital and cause chaos and murder some politician they don't like from either side or are just a nutcase. Indeed Texas needs to focus on the potential danger from guns in the State House than some tampons.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:48 pm

Quoting johnboy (Reply 6):
Where are the rest of the Texans commenting on this?

Just curious what their views on on this....I know there's at least one that's a big blowhard.

My stay in Texas is only a few months, but I guess I'm technically a Texan. I saw no point to reply... this thread seemed suspiciously misleading like you're implying that the police are trying to keep women out by banning Tampons or that they worship guns or something. It was obviously a bone headed move to ban tampons and I doubt it's a part of a larger conspiracy to keep women out or something. We have a few issues here... guns, abortion, and stupid security, but it is sloppily mixed together IMO

But I had no idea of the intent of the thread so I didn't say anything and gave the benefit of the doubt, but you asked. Just seems like flamebait honestly, maybe that's why it hasn't got many replies. I don't think you'll find any Texan, right winger, police officer, etc defending this view so that may be another reason for the lack of discussion

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
This is not about abortion. Whatever it is about, it's not about abortion. Personally, I think it's about a social agenda that keeps women barefoot and pregnant.

  How so? I mean these days I can should never underestimate the facetiousness of GOP politicians but like I said in the last thread, I've never met anyone that was against abortion just to restrict women and make them suffer. You said you knew of some of those people, I asked you to elaborate, and you didn't answer further  

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Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:17 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
Just seems like flamebait honestly

Congrats on your move....I hope it's going well for you.   

Honestly it *SHOULD* be flamebait to people....women are asked to give up their tampons and anything else those little hussies might throw, but people can keep their guns walking into a state legilature, in a highly-charged atmosphere. That's quite a concept there.

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
I haven't done a lot of research on this law

You should've stopped right there.



Here's an interesting take from Time Magazine (the comments are illustrative too -- about amendments offered and rejected by the anti-choice author and her connections to ALEC):

http://healthland.time.com/2013/07/0...gulation-of-outpatient-procedures/


Makes me wonder about regulations of facilities for oral surgery and dermatology. Hopefully the kind-hearted, gracious legislators of Texas will be willing to "do their research" and upgrade requirements for those too. You know, since they're worried about health and stuff.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:25 pm

Quoting johnboy (Reply 20):
Honestly it *SHOULD* be flamebait to people....women are asked to give up their tampons and anything else those little hussies might throw, but people can keep their guns walking into a state legilature, in a highly-charged atmosphere. That's quite a concept there.

Well I meant it's meant to get an angry response, not a good debate going. Maybe it was just me, but it didn't sound like a debate on guns vs tampons was trying to get started... it just sounded like a harsh jab against Texans right off the bat, as if any Texan would defend this measure but since they're Texans, they're just backwards and stupid.

I mean, maybe that wasn't the intent, but that's what it looked like to me.

And the part about inconveniencing menstruating women from seeing a abortion debate may be kinda humorous and ironic, but I highly doubt that was purposely planned out. Plus, who is to say the "GOP stopped women from coming in?" The guy or girl in charge of security or who made this dumb decision could be a pro-abortion democrat for all we know
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:23 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
How so? I mean these days I can should never underestimate the facetiousness of GOP politicians but like I said in the last thread, I've never met anyone that was against abortion just to restrict women and make them suffer.

They will not say that. However, Mr. Santorum came pretty close by talking about the "consequences" of "promiscuity." Just remember, his definition of "promiscuity" is "any sex for purposes other than reproduction, including any sex out of wedlock."

If this were about protecting the unborn, then the very same politicians supporting this "protection" wouldn't be denying those same unborn prenatal care because "they aren't born yet." They CERTAINLY wouldn't be opposing sex ed and freely-available birth control. And they wouldn't be opposing such programs as SCHIP and even VFC (Vaccines For Children).*

So clearly this isn't about the sanctity of life at all. So why could someone be motivated to ensure that women have no access to contraception, prenatal care, postnatal care, healthcare for their unwanted children, and no access to abortion? Oh, and maternity leave and protections against being fired for being pregnant?

Could it be because once a young woman has sex and gets pregnant, her education and employment opportunities suffer and she will be subordinate to and dependent on some man? Can you think of a different explanation? I can't for love or money.

Again, if it's about the sanctity of life, then they'd be behaving like the Catholic Church on the issue. I oppose the Church's take, but at least it's internally consistent. This is not.

*VFC is an especially stupid thing to oppose, and yet there are Teapublicans out to shut it down. Vaccines aren't 100% effective and if there is an outbreak of measles or pertussis or --heaven forbid-- polio, even the vaccinated will be at risk. You want every kid vaccinated even if you don't care about them, because you are protecting your own kids that way.
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:35 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):

I completely see where you're going, and I more or less agree with all that you say, BUT, as much as I disagree with a lot that the GOP does, I can see how they justify and rationalize being against abortion but also against a lot of things for the born child without going into anti-woman territory. No doubt many think that women should stay in the kitchen but that doesn't mean they oppose abortion just because they are more traditional or whatever. Maybe it's because I grew up in a conservative area... literally 0% of those I've met that are against abortion are doing so to oppress women. And it's not like they're just lying to me to save face, these are people I know, they are being honest
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:43 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 23):
I completely see where you're going, and I more or less agree with all that you say, BUT, as much as I disagree with a lot that the GOP does, I can see how they justify and rationalize being against abortion but also against a lot of things for the born child without going into anti-woman territory.

OK, then by all means, rationalize it. I'm genuinely curious to see how this platform can be rationalized as "pro-life."
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:57 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 24):
OK, then by all means, rationalize it. I'm genuinely curious to see how this platform can be rationalized as "pro-life."

They are about personal responsibility. You get pregnant, you have the kid. You make bad choices and end up poor/can't get yourself out of poverty? That's your problem. Charity will take care of you. Who is to say the scientists are 100% correct on vaccines? We should not trust scientists

Etc etc. I do not agree with what I just said ^^ but they do have reasons and it fits together logically in their minds. It's not as simple as "we're just gonna be double standarded today" and again, while we disagree and see a double standard, that doesn't make it a double standard in their mind. By filling in the blanks in the way we think, we may think a theory makes sense in our minds (the GOP simply being anti-woman) but it's not what they are getting at.

Hm, I did a pretty bad job in explaining that. I'm not blessed in being able to take things out of my head and put it in text. I guess I could sum it up with they've got reasons and their own version of logic and it makes sense to them. They might think your views are a double standard in hypocritical in someway but you may not think so
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:33 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 25):
They are about personal responsibility. You get pregnant, you have the kid.

Bullhonkey.

You get raped, you have the kid. You get raped by your dad, you have the kid. You find out at your 20-week ultrasound that you have a fetus with anencephaly, you have the kid.

Sorry. Your argument falls through. This is nothing to do with personal responsibility. Personal responsibility does not mean that you have options taken away from you.

And how does mandating that a place that gives women pills to take must be an ambulatory surgical center help? I'll answer it because I'm a doctor: it doesn't.

How does mandating that the physician have local admitting privileges help? I'll answer again because I'm a doctor: it doesn't.

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Etc etc. I do not agree with what I just said ^^ but they do have reasons and it fits together logically in their minds.

Then there is something deeply pathologically wrong with their minds. And I say that as a clinician, not just an opinion.

If you are about to push a man off a cliff and I yell at you to stop, you will kill him and then you go ahead and do it, claiming that God said that you have been righteous, would that be pathological? So when the entire American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, a group that knows more about this subject than any legislator in that chamber, tells them to stop this because they are going to harm their constituents and they do it anyway because God says that what they are doing is righteous, how is that different?
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:39 am

Only loosely related, but #ReplaceAWordInAMovieWithTampon has been trending on twitter all day.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:52 am

Texas is hardly the only state with such regulations, there are over a dozen states that limit abortions after 22-weeks.

The 20-week time frame is also quite generous compared to other states - for example some have 16 week bans and one even a 12-week ban.

Also it seems quite reasonable for that 12 states require an actual physician to be present to terminate a pregnancy.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):

I really don't know what to say, it's hard for me since I don't hold those beliefs, but people don't just hold views that contradict themselves. In their mind, they rectify it somehow, someway so it makes sense

Again, the views that you hold may be contradictory, illogical, etc to somebody else, that doesn't make it so. We're moving into moral relativism vs absolute territory, way too philosophical for me, but my point is that there exists a mindset that accepts what I have been saying and has nothing to do with oppressing women
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:30 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 25):
They are about personal responsibility. You get pregnant, you have the kid.

And if you are a minor when you get pregnant - raped? Are you going to allow that child and her family make their decisions in private discussions with their doctor? Or do you want the government in the room with them.

Those tampons are going to be in political ads in 2014 and maybe in 2016. They basically defined the Texas Politicians for the next few elections.
 
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:41 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):
Texas is hardly the only state with such regulations

Doesn't make it right.

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Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:08 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 29):
I really don't know what to say, it's hard for me since I don't hold those beliefs, but people don't just hold views that contradict themselves. In their mind, they rectify it somehow, someway so it makes sense

They do. They have a religious belief that they must harm others in the name of religion.

You see this played out with violence in Islam. In the USA where it's Christianity, violence is not acceptable (although sometimes they resort to it... see "gay conversion camps") so they use the legislative and legal processes. We saw it with Prop 8. We see it now in Russia (where it is violence). It is a repeated and deeply perverted pattern of human behavior.

There is no logical or consistent defense to these policies. These policies are about hurting people who aren't "like us good Christians." Nothing more, nothing less.

I will point out that Mr. Perry's sister apparently owns a string of ambulatory surgery centers. Could it be that Mr. Perry is hoping to profit from funneling abortions through his sister's enterprise? It would not shock me.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:28 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 27):
Only loosely related, but #ReplaceAWordInAMovieWithTampon has been trending on twitter all day.

After reading this thread, I thought it'd be #ReplaceAWordInAMovieWithParanoia
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:04 am

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
All these seem reasonable to me. Why the hysteria?

The hysteria, if you want to call it that, results from regulating abortions by making them as difficult to obtain as possible. Texas is going from 40-something (I think) abortion clinics, to just 5.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I'd be less disappointed if they just came out and said, "we don't like abortion, we think it's murder, and we're going to try to limit as much as possible," but honesty is not a core value of the christian right.

That the problem with the Christian right, they're unwillingness to be honest. If they'd just come out and say that about abortion, or were simply honest about some of their other views, I'd actually be able to show them some respect.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
This is just a back handed way of making them so expensive and regulated (regulation bad mkay! except this time!) that they're near impossible to offer.

  
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 34):
That the problem with the Christian right, they're unwillingness to be honest.

It's one of many problems. The overarching problem is the absolute scorn for others unlike them and the view that they are our personal saviors here to help us heathen pigs.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:34 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
You get raped, you have the kid. You get raped by your dad, you have the kid. You find out at your 20-week ultrasound that you have a fetus with anencephaly, you have the kid.

Ugh. Looked up anencephaly on wikipedia and now I'm left wondering if there is enough brain bleach in the world to erase those images   
 
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:51 pm

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Ugh. Looked up anencephaly on wikipedia and now I'm left wondering if there is enough brain bleach in the world to erase those images

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Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:19 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
And how does mandating that a place that gives women pills to take must be an ambulatory surgical center help? I'll answer it because I'm a doctor: it doesn't.

How does mandating that the physician have local admitting privileges help? I'll answer again because I'm a doctor: it doesn't.

Hmm, sounds like we have a case where politicians are trying to legislate medical care and basically take medical decisions out of the hands of doctors and patients.

Now...where have I heard that before?
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:56 pm

Quoting hOmSAr (Reply 38):
Hmm, sounds like we have a case where politicians are trying to legislate medical care and basically take medical decisions out of the hands of doctors and patients.

Now...where have I heard that before?

Very good point. Except unlike Obamacare, which doesn't legislate ANY clinical algorithms, this time it actually happened.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:15 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 7):
I lost an Opinel knife I used to carry everywhere (being a scout) when I went to visit the House of Commons in the UK (empty of MPs). In Texas they don't fear a crazy gun owner I guess, has there never been violence in there ? In France an anarchist threw a bomb on the national assemblymen in the 19th century.

If one has a concealed hand gun license, it is legal to carry in the Texas Capitol. There are 2 types of security lines at the capitol. One is for non-CHL holders, and it is similar to a pre 9/11 airline security check point. The other is for CHL holders, and they don't normally check people going through that line for anything.
 
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:17 pm

Opponents of the legislation were threatening to throw used bloody tampons from the gallery.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:00 am

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 36):
Looked up anencephaly on wikipedia and now I'm left wondering if there is enough brain bleach in the world to erase those images

When families discover they are pregnant they naturally assume that their baby will be fine. Unfortunately doctors see things that laymen & laywomen cannot conceive of happening, My wife spent 25 years treating special kids (out of 40 years of working as a PT) and knows there is a long list of medical conditions she treated that you really don't what to know about.

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Opponents of the legislation were threatening to throw used bloody tampons from the gallery.

That could probably get pretty rich. I believe that taking it to court would be a cleaner option.

It would be funny, though, if opponents of the bill put up some outdoor ads just outside the state warning women that Texas lawmen may confiscate their tampons and pads. Put it up at every road going into Texas and keep it up for the 2014 election.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:10 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 42):
It would be funny, though, if opponents of the bill put up some outdoor ads just outside the state warning women that Texas lawmen may confiscate their tampons and pads. Put it up at every road going into Texas and keep it up for the 2014 election.

That would be a lot of money for a very uncertain result. Once again, the Texas GOP isn't confiscating tampons, it is the police. Are you suggesting the TX police are an arm of the GOP?

And in addition, with all the issues I'm faced with, confiscating tampons isn't going to make or break who I vote for. I see it as a very stupid move but if there was a theoretical politician that I liked and he/she supported the tampon grabbin', I'd probably still vote for him/her. There are way too many issues (and much more important ones) than a single lapse in judgement. If I refused to vote for someone because of something dumb they did once, I wouldn't have anyone to vote for

So I doubt we'll see those billboards
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:32 am

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So I doubt we'll see those billboards

Maybe they'll come up with a catch slogan such as 'Pull the string on the GOP"?  
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:24 pm

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
Why the hysteria?

Because the pro-aborts have no problem with Gosnell and his ilk. Their hypocrisy on "safety" and "women's health" is laughable at best, morally bankrupt at the least. So having regulations that ensure the woman's safety is viewed as trying to ban abortion.

It's intellectually feeble.

But hey, keep it the way it is. 99.9% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion. So let them go for it. They can praise their patron saint Margaret Sanger, the racist and eugenicist, while we slaughter more of the next unwanted generation. Sounds harsh? Not as harsh as mutilating and sucking out a human being that can feel pain.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:41 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 44):
Maybe they'll come up with a catch slogan such as 'Pull the string on the GOP"?  

Gross lol. I know you are just joking, but I'm legitimately curious why everyone keeps equating the TX Police to the TX GOP? I mean, I would not be surprised to see the same thing happening in a theoretical world where the TX GOP was in charge of security at the TX Capital but that's besides the point

Even the thread title says "TX Police"
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:09 pm

Slider....99%??? Source please.
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:24 pm

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99.9% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion.

Good luck providing support for this outrageous claim.
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:33 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 45):
Because the pro-aborts have no problem with Gosnell and his ilk.
Quoting slider (Reply 45):
But hey, keep it the way it is. 99.9% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion.

I'm pretty solidly anti-abortion (well, pro-life, semantics) but I have to contest these points. Everyone I've talked to was appalled by Gosnell. Some blamed it on not enough access to legit abortions and some were wary of what the right may end up doing in its wake, and honestly, I think that it kinda got swept under the rug due to defense mechanisms that are present in everyone. Doesn't make it right, but that hardly makes them pro-baby murder (baby even by most pro-choice people's definitions.)

And PP does a lot of good for people that has nothing to do with abortion. Abortion is the controversial aspect of it but it's hardly "99.9%" of it

Statements like those two do not further our cause, it just makes us look backward and malicious
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